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Sunday, January 31, 2016

Re: Bernie Sanders

 

Of Course Bernie Sanders Got $20 Million in One month

And who do you think sent in their checks? Oh, really? the poor and the lower class and those who put their pennies together? So Naïve.

Of course, not. Look to the Koch Brothers and their billions. what is a miserly $20 million? Follow the money and it leads to our threatening right wing conservative Republicans.

Bernie Sanders is their dreams candidate and for us a nightmare because this nice man cannot win the presidency.

So much for idealistic voters. Face reality and it is harsh and bitter. The Koch brothers are fronting Bernie Sanders in order to undermine Hillary. Here is a family that supported Stalin and Hitler. Bernie is a soft spot for them but someone who, if he wins, assures that any republican can win. and so it will be with Bernie!

8:17 pm est 

Re: Announced Candidate - Gordon Siegel

 

Gordon Siegel Trashes the DPW

"If RIch Waldo, the DPW Director lived in Provincetown he would see how ridiculous, rude, and financially wasteful it is to have the DPW driving around EVERY morning at 5 am in the street sweeper. 
If Rich Waldo lived in Town he would hear the garbage trucks at 5 am going down streets that aren't even on that day's route.
It's September Rich Waldo, someone at the DPW should take a course in Personnel scheduling that accounts for the fact that there are people living here Year Round and many enjoy sleeping past 5 am in the Off Season."


-September 20, 2014 on Provincetown beacon

8:13 pm est 

Re: Announced Candidate - Gordon Siegel

 

Is Gordon Siegel running because he doesn't like homeless people? Is this the same guy that quit fin com?

"I have been writing the BOS for 2 years. They want them there and the police encourage their bad behavior. They drink openly and the cops don't care. It is disgusting and completely wrong. For all the talk of our over policing community I'd like to see them do something."

October 9, 2014 on Provincetown beacon

8:10 pm est 

Announced Candidates

 

Aren't Vincent and Gordon the same couple that hate the homeless at the post office?

"How about the police do something about that (referring to homeless people) instead of acting in what a Dpw worker claims is true. Harassing me at my home. Seems the acting Town Manager is more interested in not making waves instead of a standing up for our town. Pro year rounders what a joke. Thanks David for your lack of handling a serious matter I brought to you with care. How About we get a Town Manager that can actually do the job."

April 15, 2015 on the Provincetown beacon

8:08 pm est 

What We Can Expect From Vincent Breglia?

From the beacon, "It's Another Messed up day in this small town. We seriously need to elect selectman that don't have a personal agenda. Children on the town board should not be allowed. Let's get rid of the Richter Family and start having some fair politics."
8:01 pm est 

Re: Who's Running the Show Downstairs ?

Why is there this pregnant silence regarding the status of the Town Planner?

One would  think that at least the Town Manager would provide some explanation as to when we as

builders and homeowners might expect to see regular service in the Community Development Department.

 Why do I feel a lack of direction? Where  do  I  go to get answers? 

3:06 pm est 

Re: Property Owner Breathing Sigh of Relief

 

"Property Owner Breathing Sigh of Relief

We did it! We no longer have a multi-family home--we are the proud owners of SEVERAL CONDOS!

Thank goodness that article at town meeting banning condo conversions didn't pass. Sure our taxes have increased a bit--but we are renting seasonally now and not to year round tenants"

Good for you and congratulations ! 

In fact, I'm going to raise the rent on my year round tenants.

Maybe they will think twice about voting for any more tax increases.  I'm not paying it - they are !

2:58 pm est 

Re: Who's Running the Show Downstairs?

 

Yes, who is running the show?

Annie Howard is doing a great job but otherwise, seems like things are in disarray downstairs. hard to see who is running what. and is it true that now Housing is going to be "added" to the downstairs? why? It's a rather weird fit except that Gardner obviously likes Michelle Jarusiewicz--as when he appointed her Assistant Town Manager-- but that is no reason to attach her and her housing programs downstairs. There must be some other reason but I don't see the synergy. seems more chaotic than reasonable. Next they'll be putting the Council on Aging and Recreation downstairs. 

12:25 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"Seems We Should Read the Harvard Study on Toxic Workers"

What a bunch of crap. Overall, the study says that both toxic workers and superstar workers should be avoided. That would boil down to everyone should be average, not a hard worker and not a trouble maker. Everyone is even and nobody should stand out, don't complain when you see an issue and don't over work to try to stand out and maybe fix the issue. I don't want toxic people in the workplace but it sure sounds like the paper suggests to hire trouble makers and reform them as opposed to hiring a person that wants to shine. I want shiny people in my town hall. I don't like average.

I guess I may be shiny already and that's bad!

12:23 pm est 

Re: Sarah Peake

 

"Sarah Peake can't get any local bills passed."

Don't you understand that doing photo ops with school children, such as read go them a story, or holding a fake check in her hands, as if she's handing it out to someone who got a grant, takes time?

And the best one is, as her elections approach, some group or other gives her an award, or has her as the keynote speaker, so thst it can appears in the newspaper.

12:20 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Second home owners changing their status to primary.

Okay - I'm changing my second home to be my primary home - so looks like the intended tax increase won't happen for me - sorry BOS.

I know alot of other second homeowners are doing the same thing.

We will also come to the meetings and vote

Looks like this little kingdom at the end of the Cape is about to have many former second home owners who now will have the power to vote - for BOS members too !!

See you at the meetings !!!

12:19 pm est 

Re: Growing Unease

 

"I've also hear there is a gag order in town hall, no one may speak to the Banner unless he ok the message."

What the Town Manager is asking for is standard operating procedure in most public or private organizations and institutions. Yes, his media communications' policy, which seems to concern the poster of the above comment, appears to be a departure from past practice at Town Hall.  However, just because something has been done for a period of time doesn't necessarily mean that it is relevant or effective in perpetuity.

Over the years, quotes that have been attributed in the media to some of our town officials have been appalling to me. I could provide here some specific examples, along with the names of the individuals, but it makes no sense to embarrass them.

Most of the time, naïveté or poor communication skills seemed to be the reason for the quotes being so off-the-mark. This is something that could be easily corrected, and the Town Manager should take steps to properly train these officials on how to make statements that are accurate, professional in tone, and consistent with Town Hall objectives and direction. 

In a few of the cases, however, the quotes to the media seemed to be made with malicious intent. In those cases, as the Town Manager, I wouldn't hesitate to let the officials in question know that such statements are unacceptable, and could be cause for disciplinary action in the future.

12:16 pm est 

Re: Duarte's Parking Lot Garage

 

Can't wait to have a new theater at the Duarte's Parking lot garage as well as a bike shop where the florist used to be located. That neighborhood will rock.

12:12 pm est 

Saturday, January 30, 2016

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"Seems We Should Read the Harvard Study on Toxic Workers"

That is so true

It doesn't take much when you have just one toxic worker in a department. It poisons the environment and it is hard to contain. But usually if there is no control on such an individual, no internal restraints, then the toxicity can become uncontainable. And all suffer because good acts get undermined.

8:52 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

What gives?

On several  occasions people have asked as to the whereabouts of  the Town Planner.

It is not enough to answer that she is on  leave.

When might we expect her to  return to a regular schedule? It is bad enough to have important

matters delayed, without explanation.

Who's running the shop downstairs?  

6:30 pm est 

True? Or Campaign Hype?

 

At a fundraising coffee  one candidate for State Senate was recently heard to say that we needed better representation on Beacon Hill because Sarah Peake can't get any local bills passed.

What if she spent less time on the leadership, and more time working on behalf of her district we'd have a Community Housing Trust already?

So at least two candidates for the Senate are talking about this issue with one of them doing so very directly.

True? Or campaign hype?

6:22 pm est 

Property Owner Breathing Sigh of Relief

We did it! We no longer have a multi-family home--we are the proud owners of SEVERAL CONDOS!

Thank goodness that article at town meeting banning condo conversions didn't pass. Sure our taxes have increased a bit--but we are renting seasonally now and not to year round tenants.

If there is a problem now, it is resolved by the Realtor who gets us our summer tenants. No more dealing with the problem people who are year round now. (Last winter it seems the landlords in town were calling the police weekly as anyone can see who looks at the police blotter that was published last winter).

The guest houses tell me that they learned their lesson and aren't taking winter renters either.

No more eviction notices, no more meth, no more crack, no more theft of our propane tanks from our grill.
6:20 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

Do not be fooled by these fake posters who say this tax exemption is fine with 2nd home owners!  I am a 15  year owner who lives away (no its not my second home, its my ONLY home), and I am hurt and disgusted by the way I am being singled out and treated.  And I know many in my position who are equally disturbed and hurt by this mean spirited move.  This is not about money, because I dont believe that this will keep anyone in their home, its about sending a message that I am not a part of this community. Already they are talking about raising it even higher, so I can see how I am not valued, and that you dont want me here!! If you wish to push people away and make them feel unwelcome you are doing a good job. Please understand I chose to be here to be a part of something, and for the first time I feel different,less than, not welcome.  I never dreamed Provincetown would do this to me.
6:16 pm est 

Tax Exemption

I am a second home owner---I BLAME OBAMA
6:14 pm est 

I am For Hillary

for all the enthusiasm for Bernie, he just can't get elected as President. Even if--and it is a big if--he were the Democratic candidate, he would lose royally. Another George McGovern. He cannot beat a Republican no matter how nutty or crazy or incoherent he or she would be.

and I do believe there is big time Republican money funneled into his campaign, as they did for Ralph Nader--all to undermine the democrats from winning.

the Dark Money is smart and uses good people in secret ways.
Bernie winning is a republican dream. He is quite beatable.
10:56 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Seems we Should Read the Harvard Study on toxic workers

they are not lazy but focused on themselves to the disregard of others. they cause problems and believe they are right. and also--they are rule followers to a fault. they always demand rule following and cause disruptions and unpleasantness in a work environment.

Can you think of anyone in town Hall who fits this? I can. the Toxic worker, the self-centered person, the fanatical rule follower.

this is one Harvard study that can enlighten us all.

10:53 am est 

Why Not Put the Residential Tax On Hold

 

Seems there are too many unintended consequences and too much anger and too many misunderstandings. why not wait. Take another vote. Decide it was not the right decision as proposed or the right time. Study it more.

It's too controversial and the problems will not easily go away.

10:51 am est 

Re: Growing Unease

 

The Town manager runs his staff by intimidation so it isn't a big surprise that none of his staff will speak out publicly.  Ask anyone who has ever had a meeting with him if he was on time.  I've also hear there is a gag order in town hall, no one may speak to the Banner unless he ok the message.

10:48 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Where did this come from?  Let me explain.  One of my neighbors is a second home owner.  she owns a condo in Albany as well as one in our complex.  Another neighbor rents an apartment in Quincy so he is not a second home owner.  Both are part timers.  Get it?  Simple facts not polemics.  Now I have read nothing comparing the two sides in this debate to Muslims and Christians.  However, I did read a post that mentioned possible discrimination against Muslims or Christians. I hope this clears up your ignorance about our debate subject."

Actually, you are wrong. The post I'm referring to was published on Wednesday the 27th and it reads as follows:

Oh, and what day was this non-happening?  If you can remember as far back as the last post that referred to shopping outside of town, people talked about either bringing things fro their homes or buying on the way into town.  I read nothing about driving down route 6 to shop.  So, get it right before you start to type.  And, I must admire you for your ability to distinguish partttime PT residents from all the other route 6 traffic.  You must have a sense like those dopes that want to keep Muslims out but admit Syrian Christians. great skill to have.  Phony post if there ever was one.  WHy not move to brewster and avoid all the traffic.  It will be a win-win fr us all. 

If you read carefully, you'll notice there is no discussion of what constitutes a part timer, but it DOES in fact make the analogy to which I referred in my post. Hopefully this clears up YOUR ignorance. And hopefully you will actually go back and read a post before you decide to throw in your useless 2 cents next time! Or better yet, keep your uninformed, ignorant opinions to yourself.

10:46 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Not a gay or straight issue or any other social construct.  Simple political expedience and bullying.  Not moral. Not fair. Not logical. Not good community building.

10:44 am est 

About MYPACC!

 

So sorry but...It's boring Out there!

thanks for mypacc. It is lively, interesting and always unpredictable. but...it is never boring!

11:57 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

"This tax increase is not about the money - it's about the kick in the gut the BOS has chosen to give us with being singled out and treated differently."

That is exactly how I feel!  If all property owners received a tax increase, I would accept it.  The BOS has designated a segment of property owners as not worthy, of being less value than the voters.  This is taxation without representation and a total disregard for certain members of our community.  The BOS thinks this will all blow over, but it will not.  The Residential Tax Exemption is a true example of injustice.  I hope the BOS can find some way to make things better!
11:55 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Does anyone get the real thing that's going on here ?"

You're wrong!  The exemption is against anyone who has a house painted white, because we all know that most real estate n this town is painted white.

11:53 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption
As a 50 somethingish gay man, your post about gay bias by the BOS seems stupid. I do benefit from the tax exemption, however even if I had not, the post is stupid. Grow a pair and stop being such a baby.
11:50 pm est 

Friday, January 29, 2016

Re: Same as ir Ever Was!

 

Thanks for the Link on the Sharon Lynn Town Hall Mega Project

It is more than interesting. glad to have the link to the newspaper's story.

12:44 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

BOS tax exemption

Does anyone get the real thing that's going on here ?

Ptown is a predominantly Gay town.  Gay people have been treated differently and singled out all their lives.  As a result, they have a natural fighting instinct when this happens.

Are you surprised Gay second home owners are reacting the way they are and fighting back?  It's a natural instinct for all the years of being treated differently in the world.

What was the BOS thinking ?  This is a town that promotes equality for all - except when it comes to Real estate taxes - the BOS has chosen to create two classes here and for a town that promotes equality - this is DISGRACEFUL.

I'm a second home owner who happily spends alot of money in this town.  Do you think I'm lying awake over a couple of hundred dollars in taxes ?  I'm not

What makes me sick to my stomach and has turned me off is that I'm being differently - when I love this town as much as any local, want to retire here etc.

This tax increase is not about the money - it's about the kick in the gut the BOS has chosen to give us with being singled out and treated differently.

Shame on the BOS

11:05 am est 

A Very Nasty Blog

 

I just want to say after reading the posts on the front of the page today that this is a very nasty blog and those who have been posting should be ashamed of yourselves. Very bitter, very divisive, very un-neighborly. Your moms would not be proud.

12:12 am est 

Re: Seems to Lack a Pair!

 

"Where there is smoke there is fire!  But, let's blame it on a disgruntled former employee right?  How long will Rex and Kerry be able to keep up the smokescreen?  It's a complete cluster**** down there."

Ok so where is the the smoke(never mind the fire.)?  What do you think is their point?  remember everything has a reason.  what is theirs?

12:04 am est 

Re: Growing Unease

 

"Hearing our new town manager is late for everything.  Other staff have to wait 15 to 30 minutes for him to be there.  A lot of time being wasted waiting.  Not happy staff with his inconsiderate actions."

Maybe, but until people like you give us names and dates, don't believe a single word you say.  Typical rumor mongering by spineless types like you may be.

"i heard that..."  "did you her the rumor that..." Such familiar BS

11:58 pm est 

Re: Same as ir Ever Was!

 

" Look at the bills Lynn left this town. Even the high school continues her imprint as well as the monies that we continue to spend."

Ok, now you have to share what the "H" you mean.  She was not authorized to spend a dime without the ton meeting approval of the budget.  So, please tell us what monies she spent without the Town meeting. If she did anything illegal she should be charged.

11:50 pm est 

Re: Growing Unease

 

I like the header "Groeing Unease". Perfect. Thank you, blogmaster. It's what many of us feel about the new Town Manager.

11:05 pm est 

Thursday, January 28, 2016

Re: Seems to Lack a Pair!

"It's a complete cluster**** down there."


So YOU say. Why don't you take it to a selectmens meeting or a pier corp meeting and have the discussion? Too fearful they won't listen because you're disgruntled? Don't worry, you'll have oversight during the finance meetings. ;)
6:26 pm est 

Re: Seems to Lack a Pair!

 

"This new Town Manager doesn't have the balls to take on the Pier, Rex or the good ole boy network down there. Where does the mooring field mapping stand where we taxpayers watch from the shore as money and handshakes is the real checks and balance. I doubt he even knows the difference but time will tell"


Where there is smoke there is fire!  But, let's blame it on a disgruntled former employee right?  How long will Rex and Kerry be able to keep up the smokescreen?  It's a complete cluster**** down there.

5:13 pm est 

Growing Unease

 

Hearing our new town manager is late for everything.  Other staff have to wait 15 to 30 minutes for him to be there.  A lot of time being wasted waiting.  Not happy staff with his inconsiderate actions.

Who's going to leave first? 

5:11 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption - Alexis de Tocqueville

"Of all the various ways of making men conscious of their differences and of stressing class distinctions, unequal taxation is the most pernicious, since it creates a permanent estrangement between those who benefit and those who suffer by it."

The perspective of de Tocqueville certainly is applicable to the mess the BOS has created.  I personal would be fine with a tax increase if the town had the need and ALL tax payers were shouldering the burden.  It is not fair to establish two different classes of property tax payers.  The motivation for this Residential Tax Exemption is deep rooted and is the BOS' way of getting back at a powerless group that they have no regard for.
5:09 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption - Alexis de Tocqueville

 

"I look at the too many new projects that Sharon Lynn initiated and now she is doing similar building projects in Delaware. I am so glad she left, with people kicking her butt, out of town. what a mess we had and that included your favorite Jeff Jaran. Pity that town for their decision to hire her. But applauds for us that she left Provincetown."

What is it like to be owned by the ghosts of the past?  What is it like to be obsessed by those that have no current influence in your life?  Let's see if we can count all your obsessions.  Nah, I won't bother.  Too many and too little time.  

5:07 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption - Alexis de Tocqueville

 

"Ah, But Maybe, you are Yourself Guilty"

 

What You Miss is that the Past, Including Sharon Lynn and Jeff Jaran, continue to Impact This town.

They are gone but their so-called legacy remains--even if those this woman hired. And unfortunately some of the people Jeff Jaran hired and promoted are still here. His imprint remains even as some attempt to get his finger prints off many policies. Look at the mess about the police station. Look at the bills Lynn left this town. Even the high school continues her imprint as well as the monies that we continue to spend.

Learning from the past is helpful. Few seem to learn, however, as they repeat and repeat the mistakes of the past.

We can learn from our mmistakes and she surely was a big error.

5:03 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption - Alexis de Tocqueville

 

"Ah, But Maybe, you are Yourself Guilty

Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it. and that includes, my history-numb poster, Sharon Lynn and Jeff Jaran and even our present police man Koumenelis."

History is ideed very important.  However, what we see here is not an application of history but an obsession with people.  Knowing that Sharon Lynn works in Delaware and has a a government that allows her to do certain things that she did here does nothing for us.  What we have to do is run OUR government (town Meeting and the BOS) responsibly

12:27 pm est 

Re: Same as ir Ever Was!

 

"Sharon Lynn? She's doing her thing."

http://capegazette.villagesoup.com/p/price-not-right-on-rehoboth-city-hall/1464672?cid=4162099

 

That is amazing


I look at the too many new projects that Sharon Lynn initiated and now she is doing similar building projects in Delaware. I am so glad she left, with people kicking her butt, out of town. what a mess we had and that included your favorite Jeff Jaran. Pity that town for their decision to hire her. But applauds for us that she left Provincetown.

12:23 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"The analogies coming from part timers or second home owners (or whatever the hell the prefer to be called this week) are getting a little insane. Comparing the two sides to Muslims and Christians? Are you serious??"

Where did this come from?  Let me explain.  One of my neighbors is a second home owner.  she owns a condo in Albany as well as one in our complex.  Another neighbor rents an apartment in Quincy so he is not a second home owner.  Both are part timers.  Get it?  Simple facts not polemics.  Now I have read nothing comparing the two sides in this debate to Muslims and Christians.  However, I did read a post that mentioned possible discrimination against Muslims or Christians. 

I hope this clears up your ignorance about our debate subject.

12:21 pm est 

Re: Seems to Lack a Pair!

Provincetown Pier Corporation


"The Pier is not managed, it's a good ole boys club.  Ask anyone who has worked there about how much gets done.  Kerry and his buddy Rex don't have a clue what they are doing.  The pier Corp. doesn't manage, it protects their turf."

So now it becomes clear what the earlier post was about that tracked the lunch activity of "Kerry and his buddy Rex".  Apparently a disgruntled former employee is stirring up trouble again.  We wonder who that could be.  That person needs to move on and focus on a positive use of his time.  Are there no boards you can join or possibly volunteer your free time to assist the many non-profits in our community?  Best if you could let go of your anger and stop trying to retaliate.  Life is too short to be so vindictive.


11:58 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption - Alexis de Tocqueville

 

A couple of quotes from Alexis de Tocqueville seem appropriate to the tax discussion here:

"A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it."

Of all the various ways of making men conscious of their differences and of stressing class distinctions, unequal taxation is the most pernicious, since it creates a permanent estrangement between those who benefit and those who suffer by it."

Need more be said?

11:51 am est 

Year Round Residents

 

Wow. Year around residents that "keep the town running all year" " through thick and thin". It seems like your issues are not just with second home owners. You fight about dogs in town hall, who is dining with whom on the pier, who unfairly received affordable housing, The common thread seems to be if the soup kitchen will stay open, who owes you what, and what I am entitled to for nothing. You claim that you keep this town running but you are blood sucking parasites that take and take. What have you ever given?

11:49 am est 

Same as ir Ever Was! 11:47 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Ah, But Maybe, you are Yourself Guilty

Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it. and that includes, my history-numb poster, Sharon Lynn and Jeff Jaran and even our present police man Koumenelis.

Leave a little space in that brain for the past. It should help you.

11:35 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Get over yourselves. A couple of hundred dollars is not the end of the world. It's not the destruction of our community. You folks are totally losing perspective.

Oh, by the way, I AM a Provincetown second home owner"

I really don't care what your voting status is.  What seems to be what you are being so cavalier about is ""a couple of hundred dollars" .  Seems silly doesn't it?  The controversy is real, no denying that(warranted or not).  So for a measly "couple of hundred dollars" the bos decided that is the right thing to do?  Easy to say that it is "not the destruction of our community".  What perspective are our neighbors losing?  Maybe They have lost a sense of being valued as equal partners in town.

Do you think that your taxes should be raised so that others who can afford to pay their own way should pay less?

11:33 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Thanks for the update on Sharon Lynn
She is doing the same thing where she now is that she did here. Fixed this building at high costs and go for overrides. We are still paying for the mega projects she initiated and the poor hirings that she did."


Ya know, i didn't particularly care for Sharon's management style or ability, but please get a grip on the reality of the way our town is governed.  She did nothing on her own.  The town meeting approved the budget and the bos set policy.  Please tell the truth. enough of the BS.  You are like Trump saying that he will get Apple to make everything in the usa.  Learn the law instead od just spouting BS

11:30 am est 

Re: Seems to Lack a Pair!

Spoken like a true former harbormasters assistant and fincom member.

hmmmmm .......
10:32 am est 

Wednesday, January 27, 2016

Seems to Lack a Pair!

 

This new Town Manager doesn't have the balls to take on the Pier, Rex or the good ole boy network down there. Where does the mooring field mapping stand where we taxpayers watch from the shore as money and handshakes is the real checks and balance. I doubt he even knows the difference but time will tell

6:36 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

" I am interested in what our former town manager is doing
I'm surely interested in what she is planning in this other city. "


You are what's wrong with Provincetown, you sad person. Get a life.

6:34 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"The analogies coming from part timers or second home owners (or whatever the hell the prefer to be called this week) are getting a little insane. Comparing the two sides to Muslims and Christians? Are you serious??"

Get over yourselves. A couple of hundred dollars is not the end of the world. It's not the destruction of our community. You folks are totally losing perspective.

Oh, by the way, I AM a Provincetown second home owner.

6:32 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

Thanks Provincetown!! Now, from what I read in the Banner, Truro selectmen are considering the same split tax idea!! The cancer is spreading!! Thanks so much for giving our selectmen guidance on how to split a community, as if it's not already split between the non-residents and the year round residents. Thanks so much!! Regionalization at it's finest!!
6:31 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"I am interested in what our former town manager is doing
I'm surely interested in what she is planning in this other city. she did seem like someone who wanted to spend money on many projects. So she is continuing that now.  She never seemed to know limits in spending. Then people ae burdened with the bill. We had many overrides. I like knowing what she is doing. Same for Keith Bergman when there is news about him."


Sort of like a hobby for those that don't have a hobby or something of value and importance in life... Oh well, chocolate and vanilla. Legal and moral but weird.

4:34 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption
 
"Tax increases happen all the time in many cities and towns. It's part of life. Stop taking it so personally and get over it."

I think you are missing the point.  The tax increase is only targeting one group of tax payers and that revenue is being used to give another group a decrease.  If you were on the other side of the issue, you would be upset too.  If you do not is a big deal, then why don't you give the additional money you save on your property tax back your neighbor who has to pay the increase?  Doesn't feel as good now, does it?
4:32 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"Sharon is gone and so should be your crazy obsession.  Why do you care how the people in Delaware spend their money?"  

Thanks for the update on Sharon Lynn
She is doing the same thing where she now is that she did here. Fixed this building at high costs and go for overrides. We are still paying for the mega projects she initiated and the poor hirings that she did.

4:27 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"Let's Get All dogs Out of Town Hall"

Considering the behaviour of so-called people on this blog, I think we should have more dogs in Town Hall.  They have more gratitude and better manners!

4:26 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Oh, come on. Aren't you being just a LITTLE dramatic here? The community isn't being "destroyed," there are just a few people upset over the tax increase. Tax increases happen all the time in many cities and towns. It's part of life. Stop taking it so personally and get over it. "

Thanks for the good news from your recent poll of all the full and part time residents.  Nice to know that so few are concerned. I'll tell my par time neighbors what you said about taxes being constantly increased so that they should be glad to accept being forced to pay more so that you can pay less. I'm sure that they will respond by asking why you are not in favor of increasing everyones taxes since this is such a minor annoyance and you should not take it personally when your taxes are raised.  Yah, they'll get over this.  Sure.   

4:25 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"I commute daily for work to Brewster.  Been expecting to see Route 6 jammed with traffic from Probincetown part-time residents on their way to shop in the Upper and mid Cape towns.  But nothing..."

Oh, and what day was this non-happening?  If you can remember as far back as the last post that referred to shopping outside of town, people talked about either bringing things fro their homes or buying on the way into town.  I read nothing about driving down route 6 to shop.  So, get it right before you start to type.  And, I must admire you for your ability to distinguish partttime PT residents from all the other route 6 traffic.  You must have a sense like those dopes that want to keep Muslims out but admit Syrian Christians. great skill to have.  Phony post if there ever was one.  WHy not move to brewster and avoid all the traffic.  It will be a win-win fr us all. 

4:23 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Please Mister, I want to increase the residential tax exemption to 30%, no overrides or additions to my property tax bill this year. You are just blowing wind up my       with this process: VFW, school=7 million dollars, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

4:20 pm est 

Provincetown Pier Corporation

 

The Pier is not managed, it's a good ole boys club.  Ask anyone who has worked there about how much gets done.  Kerry and his buddy Rex don't have a clue what they are doing.  The pier Corp. doesn't manage, it protects their turf.

It's a black hole sucking up money.  We gave them $300,000 a year or two ago for pier maintenance which is what they claim they need money for.  When I asked a couple of months ago if that money was gone I was told it hadn't even been touched yet.

TAKE IT BACK!

2:28 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

How committed is anyone if they have already applied for another position soon after being hired?

No loyalty to us, then no loyalty to you.

12:45 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"Sharon is gone and so should be your crazy obsession.  Why do you care how the people in Delaware spend their money?"  

 I am interested in what our former town manager is doing
I'm surely interested in what she is planning in this other city. she did seem like someone who wanted to spend money on many projects. So she is continuing that now.  She never seemed to know limits in spending. Then people ae burdened with the bill. We had many overrides. I like knowing what she is doing. Same for Keith Bergman when there is news about him.

12:39 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Unfortunately the BOS has opened this can of worms, but we don't have to play in to their hands.  We need to figure out how to clean up the mess they created without their "help".  The BOS actions can destroy our community and we can't let it happen."

Oh, come on. Aren't you being just a LITTLE dramatic here? The community isn't being "destroyed," there are just a few people upset over the tax increase. Tax increases happen all the time in many cities and towns. It's part of life. Stop taking it so personally and get over it.

12:35 am est 

Tuesday, January 26, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"The BOS responded to the VOTERS, as they should! We elect them. The vast majority of the voters support this property tax initiative by the BOS, and there is nothing any part time citizens can do to change that!"

Total hogwash!!!   If the majority of voter in town decided to ban Muslims or Irish or Jamaicans should the BOS respond with a positive vote to that? Of course not.  The current bOS will not have a single member nominated for a "profile in Courage" award.  It seems that you have the results of some secret survey that was done about the unfair tax.  Please cite it and share it, else we will dismiss your silly claim to know what the 'vast majority of voters support"  What if the bos voted to only tax parttimers?  What would be your thoughts on the morality of that? What if the BOS decided that people on unemployment could not live in town without paying a higher tax?  This could go on and on ad absurbam.  Fact is, it was just plain wrong and will never achieve anything more than to divide and destroy.

There is, in fact, plenty that parttimers can do to change things.  Ans, they will be done and you self serving,small-minded nasties will be far worse off.  You asked for it and you will certainly get it.  The parttimers did not want or start this BS but you will certainly regret the consequences.  What an unnecessary shame.

8:30 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

It's pretty obvious that four of the most recent posts are by the same person either being a stoned year rounder or doing their best to paint year rounders in an unfavorable light. Either way, please try to be lucid when hurling your typos and ignorance. Or as you said it best yourself in an autobiographic moment; "Brain is gone and so should be your crazy obsession".

8:27 pm est 

Re: Note to Pier Corporation Chair Kerry Adams

 

To the person who has taken such a keen interest in the comings and goings of Pier Corp. Chair Kerry Adams: I find it surprising that you have taken issue with Mr. Adams having his daily lunch at the Harbormaster's office. I also believe that Mr. Adams should be commended! He spends his personal time working for his community! What a breath of fresh air! Why not offer support and congratulations instead of criticism? Imagine if other town boards acted similarly!

8:25 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

I commute daily for work to Brewster.  Been expecting to see Route 6 jammed with traffic from Probincetown part-time residents on their way to shop in the Upper and mid Cape towns.  But nothing....

7:24 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Let's be clear, and not try to steer the conversation in a false direction. The BOS responded to the VOTERS, as they should! We elect them. The vast majority of the voters support this property tax initiative by the BOS, and there is nothing any part time citizens can do to change that!
I have lived here for most of my life, and know the town well. If you think the BOS doesn't have the support of the community on this you are sadly mistaken and underestimating the residents here.
Pay your taxes, or leave, sell your investment. You have proven that you don't really have the best interests of the town in your hearts. Threatening to withhold support for the tourist businesses don't really scare the year-round population. The soup kitchen will survive simply because it will, you won't shut that down! And obviously, there is a long line of people wanting to live here! Most of you paid inflated dollars for your cottages and mansions, and are the cause of inadequate housing for the townspeople who maintain the town year round! I hope you all get mad enough to follow up on your idle and selfish threats. I truly do. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

7:22 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"New Stellar Opportunity for Our Problematic Town Planner

She can re-apply for the position of assistant town Manager of Wellfleet. She was beat out by Brian Carlson when she first applied but he can now apply for Town Manager and the two of them can work together once again.

The other opportunity is to work in Rehobeth Beach for Sharon Lynn and help this city manager with her present boondoggle. You know Sharon, she never saw a town hall she didn't want to upgrade and renovate and change. Sharon now  has the city and town voters agreeing spend $18 million on a new town hall--no surprises--but the lowest bid is coming in $2 million over the agreed-upon price. And the spot selected is problematic and will need millions to get this site corrected. So Gloria could be Sharon Lynn's personal problem-solver and help this woman untangled the financial and political mess she is causing. A perfect duo!

And both options--with either Brian or Sharon--would allow Gloria to continue her family crisis leave for months and months on end. Just a perfect fit for a present dilemma."


If this is NOT the stupidest post ever here, I don't know what was/is.  You are owned by the people with whom you are obsessed.  Brain is gone and so should be your crazy obsession.  Sharon is gone and so should be your crazy obsession.  Why do you care how the people in Delaware spend their money?  DOn't answer. I already know.  You are a nasty kook.  What's it to you?

You are an angry, stupid SOB that will probably have a Trump bumper-sticker on your car. 

7:20 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

New Stellar Opportunity for Our Problematic Town Planner

She can re-apply for the position of assistant town Manager of Wellfleet. She was beat out by Brian Carlson when she first applied but he can now apply for Town Manager and the two of them can work together once again.

The other opportunity is to work in Rehobeth Beach for Sharon Lynn and help this city manager with her present boondoggle. You know Sharon, she never saw a town hall she didn't want to upgrade and renovate and change. Sharon now  has the city and town voters agreeing spend $18 million on a new town hall--no surprises--but the lowest bid is coming in $2 million over the agreed-upon price. And the spot selected is problematic and will need millions to get this site corrected. So Gloria could be Sharon Lynn's personal problem-solver and help this woman untangled the financial and political mess she is causing. A perfect duo!

And both options--with either Brian or Sharon--would allow Gloria to continue her family crisis leave for months and months on end. Just a perfect fit for a present dilemma.

10:41 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption
 
"Newsflash for the second homeowners who keep threatening Provincetown with economic sanctions:

NOBODY CARES!

So, knock yourselves out."


You should be clear, that when you say "NOBODY", you are referring to a very small group of self-entitled year round residents.  Not ALL of us feel the way you do.  Many of us appreciate and respect all members of the community and do not want to pit one group against another.  Unfortunately the BOS has opened this can of worms, but we don't have to play in to their hands.  We need to figure out how to clean up the mess they created without their "help".  The BOS actions can destroy our community and we can't let it happen.
10:39 am est 

Re: Note to Pier Corporation Chair Kerry Adams

"The fact that you are at his office every day at 1:00pm for lunch, as you mentioned to the Selectmen tonight, tells me you are too close.  He's your employee, not your friend."

Obviously YOU have never worked in a business environment.  In my company (in Boston), we have lunch meetings daily.  Our firm often provides lunch, so that our time can be used productively.  Instead of making false innuendos, maybe Mr. Adams should be commended for making time in his day to keep tabs on his charge.  On another note, are YOU just another town snoop who follows people around and report on their every move?  Maybe you should find something to do with your time that would be more productive.  How about getting on a board and doing something good for the town as Mr. Adams and many other constructive members of our community?
10:36 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"The voice of the majority are the voters who live here year round through "thick & thin" no matter what & put up with the demands of those who don't!"


What demands to second homeowners make ?  Last time I was down there - I checked my property - went out to eat and drink and tipped very well.

Could you please elaborate on these "demands" ?

10:30 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Let us know if there is anything more we can do to make your life more comfortable.  Maybe the part time residents can start funding a trust that would provide year round residents free groceries at the Stop & Shop, admission to all venues of entertainment, free services from local contractors and an allowance to cover all your incidentals.  This could be administered similarly to the unemployment benefits that you are currently very familiar with.  We should consider doing anything to improve your life and make things just a little bit less burdensome"

AWESOME POST !!!  Yes, it is true of the mindset down here and you nailed it.

10:27 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Most of the attacks against the Town Planner are a result of overspending, the overspending that seems to occur every year. Yes the budget is approved at town meeting, that is true. However, articles for the budget or new hires are mostly presented by the BOS. We never needed a planner, a housing specialist or for that matter a "town nurse". The BOS needs to stope this crazy hiring trend. An environmental specialist, really?

10:23 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"...regardless of her proclivities!"

Her proclivities!!!???  Oops!  I must have clicked by mistake on the online script of "The Crucible".

11:32 pm est 

Note to Pier Corporation Chair Kerry Adams

As a member of the pier Corporation board you are responsible for supervising the harbormaster, not be his friend/buddy.  The fact that you are at his office every day at 1:00pm for lunch, as you mentioned to the Selectmen tonight, tells me you are too close.  He's your employee, not your friend.
11:31 pm est 

Monday, January 25, 2016

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

To the dull witted poster with a bug up their XXX about the Town Planner:

You may think your petty regurgitation of the sins of the TP is 'waking the people up'. Rather, we are getting sick of the constant barrage and smear you send in every 2 hours. For the sake of our sanity, knock it off.

5:15 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Let's Get All dogs Out of Town Hall

I think this could involve a wider range of characters, come to think of it.

4:54 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

"The voice of the majority are the voters who live here year round through "thick & thin" no matter what & put up with the demands of those who don't!"


You want us to believe that you carry a near unbearable burden living in Provincetown all year.  What a sad existence.  Apparently similar to serving a prison sentence.  The majority of tax payers should cover your portion of taxes because of the suffering you live through every day.  The second home owners certainly have no right to make your life more miserable than it already is.  Let us know if there is anything more we can do to make your life more comfortable.  Maybe the part time residents can start funding a trust that would provide year round residents free groceries at the Stop & Shop, admission to all venues of entertainment, free services from local contractors and an allowance to cover all your incidentals.  This could be administered similarly to the unemployment benefits that you are currently very familiar with.  We should consider doing anything to improve your life and make things just a little bit less burdensome.
4:53 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Newsflash for the second homeowners who keep threatening Provincetown with economic sanctions:

NOBODY CARES!

So, knock yourselves out.

4:50 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"It is incredible that someone actully believes (let alone post on this blog) that real estate brokers cause the incredible tax rates of Provincetown, and don't realize that the unbridled spending authorized and fostered by the Board of Selectmen is what drives the tax rate."

I get your sentiment, but it is town meeting that is to blame(if that is what to call it) for spending.  The BOS can only spend what has been authorized in the budget at Town Meeting.

4:49 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"The voice of the majority are the voters who live here year round through "thick & thin" no matter what & put up with the demands of those who don't!"

Please spare us the silliness.  I don't live here as a public service to you or anyone else, and I don't know anybody ewho does.  We live here because we want to for any number of reasons. 

I am at a loss to understand what are the "demands" of those who choose to live here when they can because of whatever reasons they have. What "demands" come to mind?

3:41 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

It is incredible that someone actully believes (let alone post on this blog) that real estate brokers cause the incredible tax rates of Provincetown, and don't realize that the unbridled spending authorized and fostered by the Board of Selectmen is what drives the tax rate. I am sure, if you consider spending money of your own the first thing you consider is if you really need what you are considering , then if you can afford it. Our selectmen just spend, spend and spend (check town meeting spendings ). By the way, this is the same BOS that expects part time home owners to pay for these expenditures.
3:39 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Regarding the Town Planner, she isn't the first woman OR man who has            someone to gain a position or promotion. However, she is continuing to make her own priorities rather than follow the lead of the selectmen. Hopefully, now that she isn't             a selectMAN, but      a      , all bets are off. The bottom line is that she should NOT be in the job she is in, regardless of her proclivities!

3:37 pm est 

Re: Point of Fact
 
"Selectman Erik Yingling, and the rest of this excellent BOS, please continue working for the people of your community that elect you..."

Apparently representing just the voters that elected you is your mission.  Your responsibilities are to all in the community, included the hated second home owners.  You have done an excellent job of dividing the community and see the damage that the new tax exemption has done.  What is your response?  Selectman Erik Yingling proposes to increase it to 30%.  Then they will really know how much we hate them and could care less about them.  Do you really think this is the best way to address the issue?  Then Yingling has the gall to say second home owners came up to him in support of his efforts?  This is a very sad situation and will leave its mark on the community for years to come.  I know your response just shut up and pay your taxes because that is ALL we want from you.  You know what, that is ALL you will get from me.
11:05 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Town Employees are Not Granted Extended Leaves of Absences

Look at the former Health Agent who was fired because she took a day off and said she was attending a seminar. and she was battling a serious medical condition. she was expected at work and there was no "family leave." Let's get the work done. Let's get people back at work. enough said.

11:03 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Let's be clear about who we're talking about and who owns what. Erik Yingling owns nothing.

And that's the point. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain!

 

9:38 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"... I will starve before I eat a piece of pizza in that place ever again."

Erik doesn't own "that place" either.

9:35 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"...our town planner was "involved" with a selectman before--yes before--she was hired."

This is false.

9:30 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Moral authority chatter coming from a group that promotes boycotting nonprofit charitable giving. huh?"


What kind of nonsense is this.  I have never gone up to a stranger and punched him/her.  But, I would punch back if a stranger punched me without provocation.  So look to yourself for bringing on inevitable consequences to this chaos.  I did not take your money unfairly.  You took mine.  So I'll punch back.  Simple. 

9:26 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

I have no feelings about the town planner either way.  She is just another town employee as far as I am concerned.  It seems like there are some (or maybe only one) people who have an axe to grind who want to get rid of her.  If anyone has an issue with her taking a leave of absence from work then they should write a letter to the BOS and town manager asking the questions that have been posted here.  Posting here will not provide the answers.  Asking those who make the decisions will provide answers.  Same goes for the issue of the dog in town hall which may or may not be hers.  If you want answers you have to ask the right person and do so in a formal, written way.

9:19 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

The voice of the majority are the voters who live here year round through "thick & thin" no matter what & put up with the demands of those who don't!

9:17 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Extended absence from work

What is the towns policy when an employee needs to take sick leave? How many days within the year do they earn.

11:30 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Maybe what the blogmaster blotted out was: "         with..."

Strange how some people get positions here. But our town planner was "involved" with a selectman before--yes before--she was hired. Seems like a conflict of interest to say the least. But regardless, her absence from daily duties needs to be addressed. People I know can't get some of their paperwork done because she is not taking calls nor setting up appointments. something should be done and soon.

11:27 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Thank You Board of Selectmen for acting in this,your Town's best interest! Stop trying to create the illusion that Eric Yingling is an imbecile! he's been listening to the voice of the majority!"

The majority ? Majority of what ?  Last time I checked, 70% of this town are second home owners - WE are the majority thank you. 

I know I will starve before I eat a piece of pizza in that place ever again.

Congratulations BOS - In all my years in this town, I have never seen an issue that has so effectively divided this town.  Was it really worth it ?

11:22 pm est 

Sunday, January 24, 2016

Re: Residential Tax Exemption

 

"I am also a year rounder and was afraid to share my true feelings for fear of being ridiculed. I don't see how this exemption is going to help anyone. The new tax will be passed onto the people who are renting year round. It's also very divisive in that it pits people against each other in a town where everyone accepts everyone for who they are. We now have two distinct groups at each other's throats.  Its an unfair tax and should never had been enacted."



The part timers, second home owners, whatever you want to call them spend a lot of money and time in our little town. They hire locals for construction, painting, plumbing, landscaping, catering, babysitting, dogsitting... you get the picture. They spend money each weekend at restaurants and our shops. Without them and their financial support, our town will be doomed. Many of these part timers plan on retiring here and becoming full time residents. Please stop the madness and let everyone live here an enjoy the beauty of this town without dividing its residents.

4:55 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Whatever "new tax" I am billed this year will be passed on to my tenants."

I've met you.

Your ilk created the subprime mortgages, company mergers and acquisitions, vulture hedge funds, etc., that catapulted our nation into the financial crisis we're just barely getting out from under.

There is never enough.

You and your ilk still haven't figured out that that extra buck you squeezed out isn't going to fill that void in your soulless lives.

4:52 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Moral authority chatter coming from a group that promotes boycotting nonprofit charitable giving. huh?

You just can't make this stuff up!

4:50 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

I am a primary resident against residential exemption

I have not said anything until now.  I can't for the life of me understand why the BOS would pass this, and now the most clueless of the BOS wants to increase it before the original exemption has even been implemented.  I don't get it.   This does not solve the problem they are trying to fix.   Frankly it has more downside with zero upside.  As we have seen, it is extremely divisive, and may result in increased rent for those that need help the most.   I am a primary resident that will save almost a thousand dollars, but I don't need it like most of the other wealthy business owners that will be saving almost a thousand dollars on their million dollar homes, at the expense of the poor condo owners that struggled save $400k to $500k  to buy a studio or one bedroom condo that has little equity in it.   These second homeowners of condos are the ones that come out every weekend year-round that support our restaurants and shops in the off-season.  This exemption will not keep peop!
le in their homes.  I respectfully request the BOS identify one single homeowner that is staying in town or staying in their home because of this exemption.

12:39 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

Frankly,all the bullying is becoming obnoxious now!! This honorable Bd. of Selectmen saw the light & did what should have been done a long time ago when realtors were causing our taxes to escalate while they were having a financial field day on easy street! The truly dedicated Provincetown lovers,(long time/short time) that really care,are resilient survivors & will always continue to be with or without your threats! There's a law against bullying! there's now a local law to give caring residents a tax break so please abide by the Law! Thank you!! Thank You Board of Selectmen for acting in this,your Town's best interest! Stop trying to create the illusion that Eric Yingling is an imbecile! he's been listening to the voice of the majority!

11:33 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Fact one is that Erik Yingling was duly elected by a majority of the town's voters, not once, but twice.

And there was a reason for that that people who care about our town know about, but casual weekenders might not get. But fact two is that Selectman Yingling has been a part of driving significant change to our town and that is known and appreciated.

Insulting Mr Yingling does not ingratiate you to the community. I suppose that isn't important to you.

Take your toys and go home. Provincetown has survived for a few generations without you or your

money here. It boggles the mind why you think it would or could.

Selectman Erik Yingling, and the rest of this excellent BOS, please continue working for the people of your community that elect you to protect us from these predators!"

 

Well now, We have been told off properly.  Of course the poster neglected to mention that the BOS has a moral obligation to serve the entire community whether voting resident or other taxpayers.  Yingling will never be nominated for a "profile in Courage award.  It seems that he only cares about those that will continue to vote him into the BOS so that he can preen and strut as a self absorbed "big deal". 

Exactly what are the toys that you so cleverly mention?   

11:30 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Why do we even need this Town Planner? We have a real town planner in the body of the Assistant Town Manager, and a new Town Manager who can handle the job in a town this size. It should be obvious by now that the current town planner is not capable of doing that job. She has pretty much bullshitted her way through the processes by                            Selectman and playing developers to suit her needs. Has anyone seen her latest             and where she           ? The best thing that can happen with this Planner is to let her go, and forget about hiring a replacement.

11:27 am est 

Re: Egos

 

I Too find the Postings Here Most knowledgeable and Bright

It's just a different type of conversation. It is not the back-and-forth comments that seem like high-school cafeteria banter. I read well-thought out positions and I better grasp some issues because of that.

11:22 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Allowing the Town Planner to bring her dog to work is poor judgement and really bothers many people. If it were a small, quiet dog, MAYBE, but this dog is huge AND loud. I heard it barking at the last planning board meeting, while the planning board was hearing a case, and it was very distracting. There are also people who are frightened by dogs. What is the town manager thinking, allowing this to set precedence. Soon it will be people who can't afford baby sitteres taking their kids to work. Or other pets. Or family members "hanging out" while waiting for their relatives. Letting the town planner bring her dog to work is a bad precedent to set, Mr. Manager, "take down the dogs"!

11:20 am est 

Re: Egos

 

"Gee, Really? I Find Many who Post Here Bright, Knowledgeable, and at Times Witty

Seems the best seem to post here. They know what they are presenting and present well. I learn more about the current issues from this blog."


Your response proves my point, exactly. You respond by pointing out that the people who post here are "the best." You're obsessed who who is better than whom, who is the best, who is the worst, etc etc. Ego. Ego-maniacs.

10:01 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Provincetown has survived for a few generations without you or your money here. It boggles the mind why you think it would or could."

Yeah, but Provincetown Real Estate has increased astronomically under our patronage and taxes revenues have increased to this town because of the increased values.

Just like an earlier post - my tax increase will be passed along to my tenants who are year round locals.

So these tenants that live year year round just got a rent increase - how does that benefit your year round population ????

10:00 am est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"I would hate to come to work in a business setting and have to put up with someone else's dog in my space"

This could be problematic.  Here are some issues:

1.  Some employees could be allergic, per their medical history.

2.  What would happy if every employee with a pet decided to bring their pet to TH?  If one can do this, shouldn't everyone else who wishes to do so?

3.  Liability-wise, what would happen if an employee's pet hurt in any way a visitor to the building, another employee, or any property other then the owner's pet?

4.  Does the presence of an animal on the worksite impact adversely the efficiency of the operations in the building, detracts from conveying a positive image to those who visit to the building?

Does TH have a written policy which guides visitors and employees about the presence of animals in the town government offices?

By the way, the previous DPW Director precedes the Town Planner by many years on bringing his dog to his place of employment.  Was this ever complained about, and if do, how did Bergmsn and Lynne deal with it?  Did anyone complain about him on this site?  Or do the complainers have an agenda other than the dog issue?

9:55 am est 

3 Stooges Continue to Focus on "Affordable Housing"

 

I am a property owner, business owner and year round resident. I voted for Erik Yingling the first time, the second he ran unopposed, so that's a wash. I find Erik to be mostly unable to grasp issues and at a loss most times to understand simple facts. I save money on my property tax now. Still, there are so many basic needs in this town that are not addressed because the 3 stooges continue to focus on "affordable housing" almost all the time.  Erik is a BOS member that we have to settle for because no one wants to be on boards with the nasty, mean spirited minority that continues to  poison conversations in this town

9:52 am est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Whatever "new tax" I am billed this year will be passed on to my tenants."

I've met you.

Your ilk created the subprime mortgages, company mergers and acquisitions, vulture hedge funds, etc., that catapulted our nation into the financial crisis we're just barely getting out from under.

There is never enough.

You and your ilk still haven't figured out that that extra buck you squeezed out isn't going to fill that void in your soulless lives.

9:50 am est 

Re: Point of Fact

 

"Selectman Erik Yingling, and the rest of this excellent BOS, please continue working for the people of your community that elect you..."

AMEN, and thank you, BOS, for your unanimous vote on the tax issue!!!!

9:45 am est 

Saturday, January 23, 2016

Re: Residential Exemption

Whatever "new tax" I am billed this year will be passed on to my tenants. Locals are only hurting themselves by passing this new tax. Many local people who are renting will be seeing a rent increase soon.
10:57 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

I would hate to come to work in a business setting and have to put up with someone else's dog in my space.  That is just wrong.

10:54 pm est 

Re: Egos


"I honestly have never witnessed a community -- online or otherwise -- filled with so many people who think so highly of themselves than MyPaCC. You are all so full of yourselves and so self-centered." 

 

Gee, Really? I Find Many who Post Here Bright, Knowledgeable, and at Times Witty

Seems the best seem to post here. They know what they are presenting and present well. I learn more about the current issues from this blog.

10:50 pm est 

Point of Fact

 

I would like to point out to the people who claim to be disgruntled second homeowners, a couple of facts.

Fact one is that Erik Yingling was duly elected by a majority of the town's voters, not once, but twice.

And there was a reason for that that people who care about our town know about, but casual weekenders might not get. But fact two is that Selectman Yingling has been a part of driving significant change to our town and that is known and appreciated.

Insulting Mr Yingling does not ingratiate you to the community. I suppose that isn't important to you.

Take your toys and go home. Provincetown has survived for a few generations without you or your money here. It boggles the mind why you think it would or could.

Selectman Erik Yingling, and the rest of this excellent BOS, please continue working for the people of your community that elect you to protect us from these predators!

10:49 pm est 

Re: You'll Really "Show Us"

 

"So many letters from vindictive second home owners who are gonna "show us" by refusing to spend any money in Provincetown because they feel hurt by the tax increase. Well, go right ahead. You want to eat all of your meals outside of town, travel to Orleans to buy groceries, maybe Hyannis to buy gifts and household items. Please, be my guest. You want to stop all of your donations to local charities, that's your prerogative. (Sounds kind of mean and childish, but it is your right)

In the end you're only going to be making your own lives even more miserable. So yeah, you'll really "show us.""


Super post.  tell it like it is.  Like, for sure, you can really stick it to all those silly people that resent your bullying attitude about taking their money simply because you want it and have more power..  Yes you really can "show " them that you could care less all you want is to take their money.  Neato. Nice community building.

10:45 pm est 

Re: Complaint

 

"Why does the blog master refuse to post my comments?  Is he taking the side of the second home owners and not publishing opposing points of view?"  

 

H-M-M-M

The blog master posts all of my postings.

6:26 pm est 

Egos

I honestly have never witnessed a community -- online or otherwise -- filled with so many people who think so highly of themselves than MyPaCC. You are all so full of yourselves and so self-centered. 
6:25 pm est 

You'll Really "Show Us"

 

So many letters from vindictive second home owners who are gonna "show us" by refusing to spend any money in Provincetown because they feel hurt by the tax increase. Well, go right ahead. You want to eat all of your meals outside of town, travel to Orleans to buy groceries, maybe Hyannis to buy gifts and household items. Please, be my guest. You want to stop all of your donations to local charities, that's your prerogative. (Sounds kind of mean and childish, but it is your right)

In the end you're only going to be making your own lives even more miserable. So yeah, you'll really "show us."

4:12 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

"Note to BOS have a consulting company come in and do a study to find ways to save money instead of raising taxes and giving tax breaks..."


That is a great idea.  If the BOS did a better job then all owners could get a 30% tax reduction.  By having all the focus put on the tax exemption, the spot light is taken off of them and their poor management.  Time to rein them in.  Whose idea is it to spend 25k to address a problem in a private residence?  What assurances is the town getting that we (the tax payers) will be reimbursed?  More accountability and scrutiny should be placed on the BOS.
4:09 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

 

"Such a shame for this town"

I totally agree, I just sold my home. This has been coming for the last 3 years.

Why would any part time resident want to own yet retire in such a hypocritical town?

Provincetown's townies definition of tolerance, is to agree with what ever  they say is right or get the hell out.

They really are a joke. But they think they are brilliant

4:06 pm est 

Complaint

 

Why does the blog master refuse to post my comments?  Is he taking the side of the second home owners and not publishing opposing points of view?

4:04 pm est 

One Community

 

Maybe It's time to Talk About Us as Homeowners and Residents and Lovers of Provincetown

We are all in this together. there is something that attracts us to Provincetown and we delight in its unusualness, its beauty, its sea-swept land. some of us spend months and months here; some of never leave here, some of us come for shorter times. We shared a love of Provincetown, enjoy its beauty, and care about those who know and meet. That's who we are and it's time to just be us as one community.

4:02 pm est 

Re: Residential Exemption

"Thank you BOS

As a result of being treated differently in a town where everyone is supposed to be equal, my desire to be here has waned - which I never thought would happen.
I will still keep my property but have decided to significantly reduce my spending here.

Yes, others on this blog will tell me to LEAVE and take my money with me.  After all the insults are over - how many second home owners feel the way I do ?  How many of the 70% of this town, won't come here as much - they will hold their properties, but what about lost revenue to restaurants and businesses outside of the summer months ?
Many of these businesses operate year round - why should they see a significant reduction in revenue because of the bad decisions of the BOS ?

Such a shame for this town." 


I fully agree with this second home owner above. Plenty of places to buy food, gifts, meals, etc. before hitting Provincetown. Regarding the BOS it is  disgraceful that our community is further divided by their actions.
Our tax dollars pay for a school that none of us use and the few students should be bused to Truro or Eastham, the bloated DPW, and town employees that sit around playing tiddly winks most of the year. The town is a ghost town six months of the year and our taxes are being wasted on a too big town govt.

Note to BOS have a consulting company come in and do a study to find ways to save money instead of raising taxes and giving tax breaks to the 30% who dont need them! Most are business owners off to their second homes in warmer climates right now.
2:36 pm est 

No More Affordable Town Backed Rentals

 

Enough already. Get a couple jobs and leave the tax payer alone. Give me, give me, give me. Shut up already.

2:33 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption

 

Second home owner.

I am not writing this to be bitchy - just genuine in my experience.  I have loved coming to Ptown every weekend, enjoying the restaurants, stores etc.  I couldn't wait to come to Ptown on a Friday night to enjoy the whole weekend and the Ptown experience. I always said I would retire here.

As part of my weekend experience, every meal was eaten out - every gift was purchased on Commercial street.  Yeah, it was expensive but I was supporting a place that was my community, where everyone was equal.

I never thought something could happen to change my view of Ptown and my desire to regularly be here.

Thank you BOS

As a result of being treated differently in a town where everyone is supposed to be equal, my desire to be here has waned - which I never thought would happen.
I will still keep my property but have decided to significantly reduce my spending here.

Yes, others on this blog will tell me to LEAVE and take my money with me.  After all the insults are over - how many second home owners feel the way I do ?  How many of the 70% of this town, won't come here as much - they will hold their properties, but what about lost revenue to restaurants and businesses outside of the summer months ?
Many of these businesses operate year round - why should they see a significant reduction in revenue because of the bad decisions of the BOS ?

Such a shame for this town. 

12:52 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption

 

"Mr. Yingling knows not what he espouses to know."
"I propose that all second home owners and part timers that frequent the town not use Mr. Yinglings, taxi business and tell all of your friends, family and anyone else that rents from you to do the same. I'm sure he won't mind the lost revenue for his company.
Charles M. Bickford'"


Uh, Charles,  you are, obviously, not a a year round resident, for any Provincetown year round resident knows that Mr. Yingling doesn't own a taxi business. 

12:50 pm est 

Re: Housing Lottery Rigged?

 

Are You Really Kidding?

Who won? and let me put "won" in quotes.

Look at Rex McKinsey who was living with Aj. Then Aj also won another apartment, allowing them both to rent out one while they lived in the other.

then there is Monica. she "won" one condo and then five years later could convert this to market rate. Now she is living at top the hill in a place, thanks to Ted, that is perhaps worth 1.5 million. Isn't affordable wonderful?

Then there is Pam Parmagian who was a selectm
an. She worked for he beloved Ted and then--after many oppositions--left the board and left town. She too had a Ted Malone special.

It goes on and on. Just check who works for te Ted--and then you will see the "surprising" lottery that this person has "won" an affordable housing,.

And where is Michelle Jurawicz in all this? she is part of the deals made and the deals done. It's time the selectmen look into this rigged deal. But oh no--they are busy with upcoming snow!

11:35 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption -

 

Mr. Yingling knows not what he espouses to know. Second home owners, part timers, do not want to pay and extra tax... I propose that all second home owners and part timers that frequent the town not use Mr. Yinglings, taxi business and tell all of your friends, family and anyone else that rents from you to do the same. I'm sure he won't mind the lost revenue for his company.

Charles M. Bickford

11:32 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Relief

"An intellectual light-weight driven by his own ego and nothing more."


I know it's early in the year but that is going to be the biggest understatement of the year.

Keep in mind, he does not pay ANY property taxes in this town.
11:29 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Relief

 

It is amazing that Eric Yingling would propose increasing the tax increase for second homeowners after it has caused such bitter divisions already.

I believe his comment about second homeowner being in agreement of the matter is an outright lie. How about some names, Eric

While we don't vote on issues in Provincetown, we do vote with our dollars. I think it is time that we started voting. Bubala's, Spiritus, and Local are all businesses owned by the Yingling family. I will no longer be patronizing them. I would encourage all second homeowners to do the same.

No hysteria, Eric, maybe you will come around to accept that.

11:26 pm est 

Friday, January 22, 2016

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"The business of the town must come before the needs of an ad hoc group with no official standing."

Are we dealing with Adult Attention Deficit Disorder?"


Yes indeedy we are. Yours.

5:43 pm est 

Re: Housing Lottery Rigged?

 

Lucky lottery

Please name (first name only please) which of Ted's employee's were awarded affordable housing from the lottery.

Thanks

5:41 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Banner

 

I Believe the Banner was Wrong to Highlight the House on Bradford and Delve into the specifics of Hoarding

This was and remains most inappropriate. this is not serious journalism. this was unfair and shows poor judgment.

5:40 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

Why the deference to the 365 Group to the detriment of legitimate applicant's needs?
 
The business of the town must come before the needs of an ad hoc group with no official standing.
 
The new Town Manager had better take control of this issue, as it  appears that the Town Planner is using this group  as a political wedge to supersede protocol.
 
It has been 2 1/2 years since the Town Planner was hired and still no "Local Comprehensive Plan". She flits and flutters all over town hall getting into everyone else's business, and yet produces nothing substantial relative to her primary job function.
 
Personally, I don't think she knows what to do or how to do it. 
 
Where's the product of her labor these past 2 1/2 years? 
 
It's called "Browning Motion Syndrome" and always comes with drama.
 
Are we dealing with Adult Attention Deficit Disorder? 
5:37 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"I tried Making an appointment with the town Planner on my Project but I was told she is not taking appointments. she was involved in everything but now I can't get to meet."


I didn't see her, but I saw her dog,  LOL.  I went in to get a license and was startled when her white dog jumped up and put his paws on the counter.  I'm surprised the dog in the office has not been addressed.  The woman at the counter seemed slightly annoyed that the dog was running around loose.h

5:14 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?
I Do Concur

what has civility to do with a town employee who isn't showing up for work and this has been happening for weeks and seem to continue into next week and perhaps even beyond.

I remember town employees who battled cancer and continued to work each day. I know someone whose husband had Alzheimer and she continued to work each and every day. I knew town employees whose parents were dying and they showed up every day and worked fully and intently on their duties and responsibilities.

So why such exceptionalism when it was never shown to others who were town employees.
5:12 pm est 

Re: No Banner

 

No delivery Because there was No Banner

Strange. it is not a daily. now it can't even be printed and delivered on time once a week. Why?

5:11 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Relief

 

"More than a few non-residents find this shift in the tax burden to be reasonable, said Yingling, adding that many Provincetown second-home owners who had initially opposed the exemption came around to supporting it after all the hysteria over a few hundred dollars subsided."

Ding a Ling is a disingenuous liar. i have not met a single part-time resident that thinks that the tax is fair.  He is a panderer of the first order.  An intellectual light-weight driven by his own ego and nothing more.

5:09 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Relief

 

Yingling should ask the people of barnstable and New York to pay into a fund to reduce his tax.  Just as fair to ask part-timers.  He is a fool that only cares about himself and his need to be reelected. I will personally donated more money that his self serving tax increase to support any candidate that will vote to change the tax back to fairness.

5:06 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Maybe the town Planner should Go on an Unpaid Leave

Let her handle what she has to handle but not on while still on our payroll. Let her do what others have done: take a leave of absence. she is here one day a week and this continues for what: week four, going into week five. then what? week six and seven?

There is a limit and this exists for all of us. We all face crises--medical or psychological, and most of us continue to work while we handle such a crisis. So should she.

5:04 pm est 

Housing Lottery Rigged?

 

Wonder whey the Lottery is Rigged and Has Been for Years?

You do not have the developer of an affordable housing development be the same person who runs and organizes the lottery. It entails a total conflict of interest and has led Ted Malone to "pick" people employed by him as the "selected" ones in the "fair" lottery. Look at the evidence. those who worked for him were so lucky and "won" affordable housing condos and apartments.

You need, as most town would do and most Housing Specialist would insist on, a separate, neutral, objective agency unconnected with the developer. We even pay him to run this "lottery."

But not us. We give him CPA funds--over $800,000 and more for this one-- support his "affordable housing" complexes and let him run his own show. It is and ahs been the Ted Malone show with the town in deep conspiracy with him.

then some ask: why aren't locals getting chosen? why are some on a wait list for ten years?

Look no further, my friends. The answer is under your nose.

5:02 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Relief

Selectman pushes for bigger residential tax exemption

".. many Provincetown second-home owners who had initially opposed the exemption came around to supporting it after all the hysteria over a few hundred dollars subsided."

Interesting that Selectman Erik Yingling claims that second homeowners told him they now support the tax exemption.  I am a second homeowner and that very same weekend, I express my dismay of this unfair tier approach to Eric as well as introducing him to others that agreed with me.  He didn't mention that in the Banner as that does not support his agenda.  How do you suggest second home owners have their voices heard Selectman Yingling?
4:59 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

If the Town Planner Can Meet with 365 why Can't she meet with applicants?

Seems something is off here. Gloria McPherson can have meetings with 365 on the one day she seems to be here in town but she can't take any other appointments from town residents?

We all deal with family crisis as time goes on. We all have to face extremely difficult situations but most of us have to work as well as deal with our own family crisis. so why is this different?

And a few days is OK or even a week. but hasn't this absence been of many weeks and more to come?

Having sympathy doesn't mean allowing unlimited absence of responsibility.

4:56 pm est 

Thursday, January 21, 2016

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

"Town Planner has a family crisis. Please attempt civility."

 Why does a legitimate inquire as to the presence of the Town Planner trigger the "attempt civility" comment?

7:15 pm est 

7:14 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Relief

Which of the selectmen pay taxes on residential property in town and which ones supported the tax split??
7:12 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

Town Planner has a family crisis. Please attempt civility.

6:49 pm est 

Residential Tax Relief

 

Selectman pushes for bigger residential tax exemption

Banner:  Selectman Erik Yingling is pressing for more meaningful property tax relief for year-round residents. At a budget hearing last week, Yingling said he wants to increase the amount of the residential tax exemption that was approved in December from 20 to 30 percent. More than a few non-residents find this shift in the tax burden to be reasonable, said Yingling, adding that many Provincetown second-home owners who had initially opposed the exemption came around to supporting it after all the hysteria over a few hundred dollars subsided.

6:47 pm est 

Vern Laux - Passes Away

 

I am so Saddened by the Death This Morning of Vern Laux, Resident naturalist, land Manager & Education Director of the Linda Loring Nature foundation in Nantucke and Commentator on WCAI-FM radio.

This was a man of tremendous energy and incredible passion for life. He loved every bird he ever saw and had a child's delight whenever he saw another bird. Each one was new to him and he brought this zest and enthusiasm to all who met him. Vern was a most amazing man who made a deep imprint on all who interacted with him. He was life incarnate-- a most unusual and incredible person.

I miss you so very much and I know that nature itself is diminished by your death.

"Keep Your Eye to the Sky"! 

12:49 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

It has been made clear by the posts here exactly how the small minority of residents that live there year around feels about the majority that make up the part time population. "Pay, shut up, keep your money, sell, get out!"

It would be interesting to know how long this verbal group has actually lived in town, 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?  Most of the real "townies" are long gone when they sold their homes for top dollar.  That is hardly being "squeezed out"  My history with town goes back 45 years so when you say "Get out" and "Sell", I have to smile and shake my head 

Now the part time residents are "vindictive" for rethinking giving to local charities?  Very few if any part time residents benefit from these charities, full time residents do.  I plan to give as much to charities this year as I always do. There are thousands of worthwhile charities. I will donate to groups that are not telling me to "Pay, shut up, keep your money, sell, get out"

Be careful what you wish for.

12:43 pm est 

Re: Missing Town Planner?

 

I tried Making an appointment with the town Planner on my Project but I was told she is not taking appointments. she was involved in everything but now I can't get to meet with her. Why is this?

12:39 pm est 

Provincetown Beacon

 

It looks like the admin for the fb group the Beacon has no one to stir the pot with anymore. So my gut is telling me that this pathetic individual continues to try to get a rise out of folks on this blog with comments about second homeowners. Ignore him folks, so sad.

12:37 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

"The fact that second home owners would even consider vindictively withholding donations to charitable organizations like volunteer firefighters or the soup kitchen speaks volumes about the character of these people.

Keep your money. Or better yet, take it with you when you LEAVE."


Hold on a bit. What does it say about the character of those who would others money without any input at all.  Why should people who you villify contribute?  Please give us a reason.  You say that we are not part of the community.  You say that we are mean and greedy.  You say that we should just pay more taxes because you want to pay less.  Now, again please, why should we feel that we are part of the community?  And, if not part of the community, then why contribute? We don't contribute to the firefighters of Bangor Maine, so why here?  At least Maine does not send me a tax bill.
 

So I will take your advice and keep my money(to pay my extra tax) and I'll take it with me when I leave.  That's what you want, so I'll oblige. 

12:35 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

The fact that second home owners would even consider vindictively withholding donations to charitable organizations like volunteer firefighters or the soup kitchen speaks volumes about the character of these people.

Keep your money. Or better yet, take it with you when you LEAVE.

11:03 pm est 

Wednesday, January 20, 2016

Missing Town Planner?

Can someone tell me where is the Town Planner? I watched the Historic District Commission meeting today and
she was not there for the second or third time. The meeting at HDC was staffed by the Permit Coordinator and things moved along quiet nicely.
 
Then I began to realize that she has not been around town since December. Maybe I  just have not been at the right place at the right time or maybe she's on vacation. But, I  do find it odd. 
 
However, her absence does not seem to have been missed.   
10:43 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

"Second home owners come to town - are nice to everyone and spend ALOT of money and then go back to their jobs on Monday."

Oh, really? Well, as a year rounder who works in the service industry, I can list off many second home owners who have pretty nasty reputations here in town. They're demanding, entitled, rude to the locals and simply use the town as a place to party. No different from any other species of tourist.

Now, I'm sure this doesn't describe ALL second home owners, but saying they're all "nice to everyone" is a pretty misleading statement that I'm sure many would be willing to refute.

5:10 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

"All we need or want is your tax dollars and for you to keep your mouths shut."

To the poster who just told second homeowners to shut up and pay.  You are one hateful, sick, sad individual.  I would guess you are not a property owner, just an unemployed nut with way to much time on your hands.  I hope all the non profits will be able to survive.  I don't know why any second homeowner would continue to contribute.   I know my 250.00 check to the fire department that I send every January is not going to be sent.  Why don't you put your  money where your sick mouth is and start contributing.

4:53 pm est 

Re: Addition of a Bar at Duarte's
 
I think making Duarte's a destination rather than just a parking lot is an interesting idea. As a direct abutor I don't have a problem with it. I would suggest to the owner that they keep an eye on            as a certain local  on this page, is known for, let's just say, creative           
2:38 pm est 

Re: Addition of a Bar at Duarte's

 

Duarte's Is Perfect for Theater and Bar

Great location. Great parking, Great venue.

seems a win-win on this one! I look forward to being there.

12:59 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

"... second homeowners. they are part of this community and we are all together in this."


Trump--that is another issue

The voters in Provincetown have very limited power to make a difference in a national election.  We can and must stop the second home owners from pushing us around!  We are in control and they have no say.  The BOS has finally stood up to them and we don't have to take their lip any more.  If they don't like the way things are, sell.  If you want to stop your donations, we will survive without them.  We control how your tax dollars are spent and we'll just find another way to supplement our community.  If we need more revenue, then we will raise YOUR taxes some more.  The BOS gave us the power and as long as they keep doing what we want, we will continue to vote for them.  If second home owners want a fight, we'll take you on.  All we need or want is your tax dollars and for you to keep your mouths shut.
12:58 pm est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

"While we are at it, we should ban second home owners as well!  They only care about themselves and has done nothing for this community but take."

You can't be serious.  I do lots of work for them and so do many of my friends.  Without them I would be out of money.  Ask any tradesman in town about the bulk of their work. ASk the town treasurer about the source of most revenue.  ASk SKIP where it gets most of its $$$.  Ask the UU.  ASK the restaurants.  Yes, you are kidding and love the fun of stirring the pot.

10:00 am est 

Addition of a Bar at Duarte's

 

I am a little concerned about the addition of a bar at the Duarte's Parking Lot  building. I remember how crazy it used to be when a club was located at the dentist office right across the street. Hopefully the licensing board will not allow the sale of alcohol past 11 pm, as was done at the Harbor Lounge.

9:59 am est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

"While we are at it, we should ban second home owners as well!  They only care about themselves and has done nothing for this community but take"

This is the most rediculous statement I have ever heard.

Second home owners come to town - are nice to everyone and spend ALOT of money and then go back to their jobs on Monday.
What do we "take" from this community ?  We do nothing but add to it !!

What is your problem - is your own sense of envy something you should look at in your personal growth ?

9:56 am est 

Re: Donald Trump

 

No, No, No

I like what the British were proposing in banning Donald Trump and I'd like to banish him from our shores----however, that has nothing, nada, to do with second homeowners. they are part of this community and we are all together in this.

Trump--that is another issue!

12:14 am est 

Tuesday, January 19, 2016

Re: Donald Trump

The British Were Debating Banning Trump from England

It's not a bad idea. maybe Provincetown can discuss banning Donald Trump from entering Provincetown.

While we are at it, we should ban second home owners as well!  They only care about themselves and has done nothing for this community but take.  If they want to stop their donations to our town's worthy causes, we should not allow them to cross the Truro line!
6:23 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

We DON'T need another Lt. in the department. Save some money in our pocket for a change. It's no shock that the PD has no direction to many of us. But what do you expect when the best we can do is hand the job over to someone who clearly wasn't the right choice. Selectman Anthony was right all along. Creat another Sgt and my wish based on her performance over many years is Rachel Peters! If were going to be forced to make a new position, give it to her. She's earned it!!

11:10 am est 

Re: Herring Cove Parking Lot, Clam Dredging & ConsComm

<<sigh>> I'm reminded of the adage, "you can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think."

Tell me: did you ever consider clicking on the links that were provided, and then actually reading and understanding them before you dismissed them so aggressively?  Hell, even just looking at the pictures yields more solid "evidence" than that which you have offered up in response (I believe "pure crap" was the phrase you suggested).  So here goes....

Yes, I remember the massive die-off of tons of fish at Pilgrim Lake (they were alewife, actually, not carp -- the pictures told us that -- just sayin').  HOWEVER, that happened well BEFORE the tidal flushing project began.  In fact, that disaster (yes, disaster) was the REAL REASON for the project!  The fish died because the STAGNANT freshwater lake that man created was oxygen-depleted (or "hypoxic"). That condition is caused by excess pollution and/or nutrients in the water, resulting in a phytoplankton bloom that consumes all the oxygen -- thus killing the fish.  That was not an isolated incident, as it had happened previously.  That was a CLEAR indicator of a terribly unhealthy wetland.

The intended solution was to restore the area to its ORIGINAL, NATURAL state as a tidal salt marsh that gets flushed with a new infusion of water (and life) twice a day.

Yes, I remember the swarm of midges.  That was one minor inconvenience that occurred as part of the transition from fresh to salt water, and was unavoidable.  I wouldn't classify that as a disaster, however.  Sorry your car got dirty, but it didn't kill you, so it must have made you stronger.

Um... no... there was nothing "invasive" about neither the fish nor the lake.  Both of those, however, were indeed threatened by highly-invasive Phragmites and Loosestrife -- Cape Cod's WORST invasive plant species, known to destroy wetlands and everything living in them, and virtually impossible to destroy.  One saving grace is that they are primarily freshwater species, so a natural, tidal salt marsh was again an appropriate solution for that wetland. 

PLEASE REMEMBER that this project is far from complete, and only a small area has been exposed to tidal flushing to date.  One of the pictures in the "after" report illustrates the tremendous SUCCESS they have achieved in killing the invasives in that particular area that has already been exposed.  So, YES, I'd call that real progress. But there is, as you point out, more restoration still needed, and there is more to come.

For all of the above reasons, Pilgrim Lake was ABSOLUTELY NOT, as you say, an "ecosystem".  An ecosystem is a community of living organisms, functioning TOGETHER in conjunction with their environment (the air, water and soil), and interacting as a SYSTEM of components that are linked together by nutrient cycles and energy flows.  There was NOTHING about that mess that functioned as a system.  A part of the East Harbor is beginning to act like an ecosystem again, which is very encouraging.

As to Herring Cove, trust me, I know the situation first hand. I gave you a link to a detailed discussion wherein I "do [my] own work and get [my] own facts", so I won't waste any more time doing it again for you here.  I will, however, give you a link to yet ANOTHER such discussion, should you wish to choose one and engage further on that topic:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/provincetowncommunityspace/permalink/942459265824228/

Thanks again for asking.
9:38 am est 

Donald Trump

 

The British Were Debating Banning Trump from England

It's not a bad idea. maybe Provincetown can discuss banning Donald Trump from entering Provincetown.

No Place for Bigots!

9:30 am est 

Monday, January 18, 2016

Re: Herring Cove Parking Lot, Clam Dredging & ConsComm

 

"You don't remember the destruction of tons and tons of carp from the lake? An enclosed body of water with carp in it isn't invasive to anything else."

Before it was filled with carp it was called East Harbor because it was open to the bay and was not a fresh water lake but part of the salt water system.  If you would prefer a fresh water lake, maybe you can try NH.  they have many and very lively presidential politics.  When east Harbor is onc again joined to the bay and is available to salt water fish and the cleansing action of the tides the midges and mosquitoes will be greatly diminished in number. It seems as if you just don't like anything that is done by the seashore folks.  Now we might all agree that the seashore folks don't please all of us all the time, they exist not just for us but for the entire country as does yellowstone.

8:10 pm est 

Re: Herring Cove Parking Lot, Clam Dredging & ConsComm

 
Save me the results of the project, presented by the same people performing the project.
You don't remember the destruction of tons and tons of carp from the lake? An enclosed body of water with carp in it isn't invasive to anything else. It's its own ecosystem. And how about the midges? Remember how they used to coat the cars as they passed through beach point? And the swarms covering everything? No correlation to the removal of the carp, right? And then what about the real reason behind the project, to kill off the phragmites grass, an invasive plant that still grows and is spreading. Any progress there?

And the reports regarding how Herring Cove beach is "better than in 1995 is pure crap. I don't remember seeing any destruction of the pavement till the groins were removed. Theory is one thing, actual seeing the issue first hand is another. Stop reading reports from those that are promoting the projects. Do your own work and get your own facts.

4:58 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Health Agent

 

Maybe the Health Agent should Be certified as a Health agent

I am sorry but this is not about being a nice person or a sweet person. this is about being qualified for the position you are hired for. There is some mismanagement in business Development and it happened before Panagore got here. However, now that he is here--he should do something. It seems a Town Hall downstairs filled with everyone taking courses and try to train for positions they are not yet qualified to hold.

12:32 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

"Well if you want to get picky, you might remember our Town Manager has never held that position before in his career either. But women must pay their dues twice over and still it's not enough. Dry up."

What? what has the Town Manager got to do with Louise Venden Using Her fincom position as a stepping stone to being selectman? These two ideas are not connected. I find it problematic and rather disgusting that the day she was weirdly elected vice chair is the day she told the Banner that she was planning on running for selectman. Talk about using a position for one's own career. How self-serving!

11:09 am est 

Re: Provincetown Health Agent

 

The town health agent is doing a terrific job.  She has Friday off just like other town hall employees.  Perhaps she was originally supposed to become certified to inspect septic systems but the requirement was dropped by the BOS or town manager.  Don't blame her for the change in the requirement, rather speak to the BOS or the town manager and find out why her superiors changed the requirement.  She conducts herself in a professional manner and does her job well.

9:56 am est 

Re: Herring Cove Parking Lot, Clam Dredging & ConsComm

"When will the park admit they screwed up big time when they removed the stone jetties that used to be there, the ones that used to prevent the waves and tidal flow from removing the sand? Since they've done that, there has been nothing but continued damage. [...] Where is the conservation commission in all of this? [...] They chase a clam dredger, claiming he's causing all kinds of erosion and irreparable damage but what do you think the park is doing? They did the same in Truro to East Harbor, altered the flow and caused all kinds of disasters."

As a former co-chair of ConsComm for 5 years ('03'08), I'd like to thank you for the questions. I'm also thankful, however, that ConsComm is following the science, because most of the above paragraph is entirely incorrect.

I'll start with the easiest one: opening up the East Harbor to tidal flow is a work in progress, but by ALL accounts, it has been a resounding success so far  I have not heard a single negative yet, so can you please elaborate on those 'disasters'?
BEFORE: http://www.nps.gov/caco/learn/nature/east-harbor-tidal-restoration-project-page.htm
AFTER:  http://www.nps.gov/caco/learn/nature/results-of-partial-tidal-restoration.htm
FUTURE: http://www.nps.gov/caco/learn/nature/looking-to-the-future.htm

Next, there is no such thing as preventing the movement of sand, for nature is too formidable an opponent.  At Herring Cove, for example, wave action transports the equivalent of 137 commercial dump trucks  each loaded with 10 cu. yds. of sand  down the beach every single day.  Imagine, one truckload of sand rolling along the beach EVERY TEN MINUTES around the clock!

Not too long ago, it was believed that jetties, groins and seawalls were generally a good thing, but the overwhelming scientific consensus these days is that they are a band-aid at best, and simply create a potentially bigger problem further along the shore.  See a presentation on this topic at:  http://www.cbuilding.org/sites/cbi.drupalconnect.com/files/HECO_Processes_Structures-lo-res.pdf

In fact, paying close attention to pp. 1517, and we can see for ourselves that Herring Cove beach was actually BETTER in 2012 than it was in 1995!

OK, so what's causing all this destruction of the parking lot?  Enter the hydraulic clam dredges!  YES, as crazy as that sounds, after looking at the science, there can be no argument but that this practice is the direct cause of the storm damage at Herring Cove.

A hydraulic dredge churns up and temporarily "liquefies" the ocean floor  temporarily re-suspending the sediment back into the water column.  This is known fact.  We can therefore calculate  conservatively, using the clamming industry's numbers  that a hydraulic dredge can churn and liquefy enough sand to fill OVER 1,075 DUMP TRUCKS OF SAND, PER DAY, PER VESSEL!

Admittedly, most of that sediment falls back out of suspension very quickly, but if even just a TINY fraction of that sediment gets swept away by the currents, that adds up to VAST quantities of sediment lost during the course of an entire clamming season (Nov 1 - Apr 30), with a daily barrage of assaults on our coastline from up to THREE such vessels each day.

For a detailed discussion of all this and more (including the calculations, to keep me honest), see:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/500578126776199/permalink/529734693860542/

Dieter Groll
9:55 am est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

I'll Take Hillary on all Key Issues

"She is tough, seasoned and professional...."

She is, like every Republican in the race, in the pocket of Corporate America...you're an idiot, just voting for more of the same old shit...YOU wake up.

11:54 pm est 

Pay Only For What We Really Need

 

What's the deal with the health agent. The selectmen told her that as a condition of her getting such a high paying job that she had to get certified to inspect Title 5 septic systems. She is still not certified and recently talked both the BoH and selectmen out of having to do so. Instead, we still have to pay an outsider over $10,000 to do the inspections. Cheryl Andrews was the only one to question this. Why? Also why does she have every Friday off with no cut in pay? She isn't going to school any more and needs the time off.  What a great job! You only work 4 days a week, don't do any inspections which costs the town to hire someone to do them. Add that cost to the extra money she gets paid and doesn't work, what a deal! Actually, what a waste of Tax Payer money! Why is this allowed?

11:50 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

We need a real Lt ASAP.   The department has no direction.

11:49 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

Even the Boston Globe has turned on Hillary. Face it, she isn't very likable. This will be a hold your nose and vote election.

11:46 pm est 

Sunday, January 17, 2016

Re: Hillary Clinton

"Get Over it"


That's just one of the many answers Hillary supporters have along with, "yes, but that's different" or "but she's a woman" or "what does it matter?" or "hater!" or "sexist!"

Open your eyes to the facts and ask if in her shoes, would you be in jail by this point?
5:20 pm est 

Re: Town Budget

 

Your approach to Town budget is Right On

Eliminate certain positions that are not necessary. You hit it right: town planner. eliminate. David Gardner is a town planner so have him do this role. we now have a town manager and we do not need a full time Assistant town manager. We also do not need, as you suggest, a housing specialist. she has been too often a front for developers. Under her, affordable housing has gone done, not up and fewer and fewer town people get to live in affordable housing. It is a sad game that simply funds her position.

and when we hire, let's stop hiring people who we fund for training and for taking courses, some that have nothing to do with their position--yet they are not here because they are there--taking courses. Rather a non-sensical approach to new hires.

4:32 pm est 

East Harbor and West-end Breakwater

 

I'm confused about what disasters have resulted from opening up East Harbor. That lake was brown and choking on itself , filled with invasive carp. Now it is a semblance of a saltwater ecosystem again, with all sorts of new life. In fact it needs to opened further in order to flush properly. Regarding the the clam dredger, many feel that they in fact exacerbated the problems at Herring Cove. As and aside I'd also love to see the West End Breakwater  removed entirely, allowing that area to be a functioning ecosystem. This would benefit everyone by increasing the wildlife from the bottom of the food chain on up.

4:30 pm est 

Provincetown Banner

 

Seems It is the Banner on too Many blogs

why not just read the Banner?

Have I missed the point?

4:28 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

Get Over it

Stop going back to Clinton's policies on anything. Hillary is not him.

Who cares what he did and thought? she is not him.

4:26 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

"What Does It Matter What Bill Clinton Did? Hillary is not her husband and she stands on her own principles and positions."

It matters because in spite of the thousands of dollars collected in Provincetown by the Clinton Campaign last July, her campaign chose to use prominently a surrogate who happens to have been responsible for signing DOMA into law.  All expenses incurred by this surrogate are paid by the campaign. How's THAT for irony?

4:25 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

"She just get elected vice Chair of Fincom and that day sets her sights on being a selectmen. Maybe she should be a fin com member for a while ..."

Well if you want to get picky, you might remember our Town Manager has never held that position before in his career either. But women must pay their dues twice over and still it's not enough. Dry up.

4:23 pm est 

Really? Donegan is Running?


This scenario gets worse and worse. Now Louise Venden and tom Donegan running--and of course Cheryl Andrews is running and will Mary Jo run too? Gee. Bryan Armstrong should jump in as well. It is a pool party for sure.

If Donegan is taking out his old signs, I would hope we get the old Donegan--the one who was chair of Fincom--and had guts instead of the new Donegan who can't make decisions and leaves the BOS rudderless.

Is there some magic drink that gives someone balls to act? It is surely needed here.

4:19 pm est 

Re: Hillary vs. Bernie

 

I'll Take Hillary on all Key Issues

She is tough, seasoned and professional. She was Secretary of State and did a fabulous job. I will vote for her because only she can beat any republican. Bernie cannot. He is our darling, our favorite but unelectable as President of the United States. He will be no more than Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, Eugene McCarthy--remember him--and Kerry--remember, he did run and of course, lost.

Bernie will simply be in a history of losers if he is ever the chosen one. Nice guy but nice guys finish last. Even Donald Trump would beat him.

Wake up Provincetown.

4:17 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

"Ok, then what's her position on DOMA, the one her husband signed into law??"

Well, since DOMA was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2013, I'd just be willing to bet she doesn't support it!

4:15 pm est 

Saturday, January 16, 2016

Re: Hillary Clinton

Ok, then what's her position on DOMA, the one her husband signed into law??
2:10 pm est 

Herring Cove Parking Lot

I see even more damage has now happened to the parking lot. When will the park admit they screwed up big time when they removed the stone jetties that used to be there, the ones that used to prevent the waves and tidal flow from removing the sand? Since they've done that, there has been nothing but continued damage. And then, to add insult to injury, they rebuilt the bathhouse/snack bar in place. They're going to have to move that in no time. Where is the conservation commission in all of this? Ya ya, they're the feds, we have no say. BS! They chase a clam dredger, claiming he's causing all kinds of erosion and irreparable damage but what do you think the park is doing? They did the same in Truro to East Harbor, altered the flow and caused all kinds of disasters. Time to make them stop.
2:09 pm est 

Re: Town Parking

 

"...have town employees, except for building commissioner and health agent, part at the town parking lot..."

Because the building commission and Health Agent need to do inspections and use their vehicles for needed work that often enough needs immediate attention. Yes, they should be able to park near town hall but for all the others, walk. Park at the municipal parking lot. It's also healthier for you!

2:06 pm est 

Re: Hillary vs. Bernie

"Correct, stupid, stupid, stupid.

VOTE TRUMP!!"


That's not stupid; that is mentally deficient due to inbreeding, fascist and criminally insane.  I wouldn't brag about that.
2:05 pm est 

Pay Only For What We Really Need

 

Where is the new police station? What the hell is wrong with this town? Truro and Wellfleet can figure it out. The new town manager needs to look at his operating budget, recommend a hiring freeze and eliminate Town Planner , Housing Specialist and Principal positions. Good start to pay for what we really need.

2:02 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

Anyone who has knowledge of or worked with Louise Vendon on the first town manager search committee would not vote for her as a selectman.  There is something not right with her.  And she is horrible managing a process

1:59 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton
 
What Does It Matter What bill Clinton Did? Hillary is not her husband and she stands on her own principles and positions.
 

12:52 pm est 

Friday, January 15, 2016

Re: Hillary vs Bernie

 

Why campaign here for Clinton or Sanders?  There are many online sites which one can access to express our opinions on these two candidates.

10:13 pm est 

Re: Town Parking

 

"...have town employees, except for building commissioner and health agent, part at the town parking lot..."

Why the building commissioner and health agent? 

10:10 pm est 

Shout Out Criticizing the New Town Manager?

 

It's funny reading someone on Shout Out criticizing the new town manager for being "arrogant and self serving." Is MyPACC supposed to have a lock on those roles in town? Is someone worried there's new competition? Is the pot calling the kettle black?

10:09 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden

 

It's January. she didn't Waste any Time

but now we have to deal with this abominable possibility. I am sorry but if someone does apply to be on a board, then serve. this is not frivolous choices and jump from one teacup to another.

who appointed her? does anyone know?

10:06 pm est 

Who Appointed Louise Venden to FinCom?

This is rather ridiculous and dangerous for this town. She is questionable and well, let me leave it questionable.

holy Cow! it gets worse even when you think it is getting better.
10:05 pm est 

Oh, No. Louise Venden!

 

Oh, No. Louise Venden has Taken Out papers

She just get elected vice Chair of Fincom and that day sets her sights on being a selectmen. Maybe she should be a fin com member for a while instead of using that title as if it means something.

This is a disaster waiting to happen.

10:02 pm est 

Is That All There is?

 

Can someone tell me why one blog just keep posting Banner articles?

Is that all there is , my friend?

10:00 pm est 

Re: Town Planner

She has a family emergency. Leave her alone.
9:58 pm est 

Re: Hillary vs. Bernie

Correct, stupid, stupid, stupid.

VOTE TRUMP!!
9:57 pm est 

Re: Hillary vs. Bernie

Stupid, stupid, stupid...
5:00 pm est 

What's Happened to the Blogs

 

What happened to news and analysis on the other many blogs?

seems winter has stymied the thinking and it is now dribble that I read. Nothing substantial and somewhat like the republican debate.

4:58 pm est 

Re: Town Parking

 

As for Parking, We are fine Except for Two Issues

first, anyone who is a resident and parks more than 24 hours, then they  should be billed per hour. this has been so abusive and rather ridiculous.

second, have town employees, except for building commissioner and health agent, part at the town parking lot and not --repeat not--at town hall. these are prized spots and should be available for tourists who are spending their monies here.

Other than this, no study needed. Keep it simple.

4:57 pm est 

Town Planner - what's up!

 

So Has our Esteemed town Planner simply Disappeared?

Been absent. Been away. been rather occupied. been gone.

4:56 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

I haven't made up my mind yet as a independent but I for one will NEVER vote for a person that supports DOMA. I believe MR. Clinton signed it. I doubt the apple truly falls far from the tree. (No, not Chelsea)
4:54 pm est 

Provincetown a Sanctuary Town?

 

Provincetown does not need to declare itself a sanctuary town. There are immigration laws that are in place, we should respect laws. Seriously, this sounds like a clever way for a developer to circumvent the law in order to get low paying illegal aliens to do some work. I'm sure that once they get the cheap labor we will have to give them affordable housing and pay another 50 thousand dollars per student in our school system.

10:15 am est 

Re: David Pantagore Town Manager

 

It's a matter of time before the new town manager finds himself in a very lonely position.  Behind closed doors at Town Hall, folks can't stand his arrogance and selfserving motives.  Give it some time you will see.  He's an egomanaic and will continue to push out people who have been working for this town for along time if you are not on his side.

10:13 am est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

Obviously, It didn't matter about arrests and citations when the last Lt was appointed because that person would have never been the Lieutenant.
10:11 am est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

I am for Hillary as Well

She can win. She is talented, professional, sane--in contrast to a few who aren't--and can win.

I'm for winners especially when the state of our nation is at stake. this is not a game. this is deadly serious.

10:10 am est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

Sorry but Bernie cannot be elected President

He is a wonderful man and has great ideas. But he will be demolished by any Republican who runs against him if he is chosen. Likeable, yes; bright, yes; but nationally savvy to win the election, no.

Of course I agree with the other posting that there is secret Republican money behind him. that is what happened to Ralph Nader as Republican money funneled into his candidacy and he ruined gore's election. Bernie will be our Ralph Nader

10:07 am est 

Thursday, January 14, 2016

Re: Hillary Clinton

Well, I am voting for Hillary --REALLY?

"she is the only Democrat who can win. Bernie may win New Hampshire and Iowa but he cannot win against any Republican."

WRONG -- a number of national polls indicate that Bernie would beat the top Refuglican candidates by a higher margin than Hillary can!

"Hillary Clinton has been our Secretary of State". Whoopee.  She may have served, but she was NO Madeleine Albright, who was worth any three Hillarys.  A vast majority of her big campaign money comes from corporations, and she carries way too much baggage from past scandals.  "She is tested, smart and highly qualified". So is Bernie, and is more respected as a consensus-builder.

"I also believe there is serious Republicans money behind Bernie."  Then you obviously have done NO research on his campaign.  Almost all his donations have come from working-class individuals, donating anywhere from $3-$25 (average donation = $23 and change).  No SUPER PACS. NO corporations.  Just 2+ million average individual donors (and GROWING), fighting for a better future for ourselves and our children.  If there are any Republicans among those donating, I can only congratulate them on their common sense!

If anybody is naive, it's you.  Or, you're just another frightened, mindless sheeple listening to Faux News propaganda....

6:28 pm est 

Re: Police and Fire Departments

 

Just want to respond to that coward           commenting on Provincetown, and truro rescue. First of all ;on the town website they stated they don't discriminate agains a list of thing, and disability is one of them.Second of all,that is confidential, and personal matter and non of your business.Thirdly their are other members that lives in eastham,and beyond, all the way to Boston the last time i check.These members cost the town nothing because  they are unpaid auxiliary members. These people volunteer their time for a good cause. why don't you do the same with your time mr        ? Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against a specific individual. Why don't you come out of hiding from behind your computer, and face that individual? are you afraid to expose the fact that you are a ignorant,           and                  ?Now that their is internet you have a voice.If you have nothing good to say about any of these two department,just shut up and go back in hiding.      

6:24 pm est 

Re: David Panagore Town Manager


Silencing people he feels don't align with his platform

Not sure what you were reading, but he only rejected a bully, who was antagonistic against every other poster (and there were dozens), thereby breaking the rules of being respectful to others.   To his credit, he has offered to meet with her to get her point of view.  For the record, I was a fan of the ex Town Manager, but I feel fortunate in that I believe Mr. Panagore has exceeded expectations early on.  He is very open to feedback that may not align with his point of view when it is offered respectfully.  
6:19 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Whatever I can do to help keep Provincetown moving in the right direction I'll do."


Finally.  Genuine no non-sense post from a real great person that seems to understand our problems.  Apparently many don't agree that town is moving in the right direction.  That may be because I have never been able to hear an agreed upon definition of "the right direction".  Perhaps this genuinely concerned poster can share a definition.  This appears to be a mother Theresa clone.  How else to explain why such feelings of love for the good folks who just broke into his bank account and took money without permission or real moral authority.  In interesting that the poster can be here as much as 180 days per year, but doesn't bother registering to vote here. SHows a real charitable mindset.       

6:15 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Such hateful comments about we part time residents.  Its disgusting.  Once we thought of Provincetown as such a unique community, now just a hateful place.  While I would always want Provincetown to move in the right direction, whatever that is, I don't feel this residential exemption is the answer.  It was not thought through.  Its left an ugly scar on our little town.

6:12 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Health Agent

 

Health agents , past and present.....
Go into any restaurant kitchen and you,ll never return,inspections
Are scheduled and not spot checked like other towns.

6:10 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Any other part time residents out there with me???

JB"

JB I am also a part time resident and able to spend a couple of months in town.  I do not rent out my home and I also plan on making Provincetown my retirement home.  Like the majority of the owners I have talked to, I oppose the two tier tax structure.  I believe everyone should be treated the same when it comes to paying taxes and this issue has only divided this town.  I'm sure this is not what the BOS intended on doing, but the damage has been done, pitting neighbor against neighbor.  I hope the BOS sees their error and tries to bring our community together instead of making it a them against us.  I appreciate and respect the residents who live in Provincetown most of the year and I hope most feel the same way about those of us that are prevented from spending more time there.
6:09 pm est 

Town Manager David Pangore

I had the opportunity to meet him in town hall and was not impressed.  He did not let me get a word in edge wise.  He seemed to have all the answers.  Apparently learned very quickly in his short tenure and does not need to hear what others think.  Just don't get him going about his prior experience; he'll bore you to death!
6:06 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I agree with you completely. Rich people like the 2 woman on the front page of the Banner complaining when they have a mansion on the water next to the Red Inn and have their FL home for the winter. Please, we feel so sorry for your self serving gifts to OUR town." 

"Mansion on the water"?  I don't think so.  Nice house? Yes.  Valuable house?  Yes.  Mansion?  What is you definition?  Probably anything that you are jealous of.  Since when has wealth been the indicator of bad character or valueless opinions?

6:03 pm est 

It's Good to Hear A Variety of Views

And that is what I read here. I get a better sense of how the town feels on many issues. I don't get this information from the Banner, that is for sure. But here, it remains interesting and informative.
6:02 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

The department needs a Lt.

5:59 pm est 

Re: Diversity

 

"Do you really see diversity here?"

I'm not very sure about the standard for diversity that you use.  You don't see a lot of poor people living on Beacon Hill.  You don't see a lot of rich, white people living in Roxbury.  You don't see lots of women in Burkas in Boston.  Why not?  Discrimination?  How to tell.  Why are there not more Jamaicans in town.  Deliberately excluded or simple, unavoidable economics at work?  What would you have different and how would you achieve it?

So, in my opinion, your observation may be correct, but your conclusion of the cause is without merit.  You have no reason to assume a cause because you see an effect.  

5:57 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

 

"I also believe there is serious Republicans money behind Bernie. this is exactly what the Republicans want. Let's not continue to be naïve."

I agreed with you up til this silliness.  You "believe" that bernie is getting "serious" republican money?  This is like the posts that start with "I heard a rumor that..."  Meaningless prattle.

5:55 pm est 

Re: Hillary Clinton

Bill Clinton always chose someone else so shouldn't you?
5:52 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

Looks like the Police Dept. Policies haven't changed since the last Chief was bounced! I read a post on this blog yesterday that indicated the way for Police officers to be promoted is based on Number of arrests & tickets given! If so,we're all in trouble again!!

5:50 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I agree with you completely. Rich people like the 2 woman on the front page of the Banner complaining when they have a mansion on the water next to the Red Inn and have their FL home for the winter. Please, we feel so sorry for your self serving gifts to OUR town."

The residential exemption was designed to give tax relief to homeowners as opposed to commercial or industrially zoned properties.  It was NOT designed to discriminate among different types of home owners.  It was not designed to subsidize one group of homeowners at the expense of another group. 

By using the word "rich" you have used a code word for your enemy.  Why is it your town more than theirs?  Because you pay taxes and they don't?  No.  Because you say it? no.
Do you have some definition that you use to qualify who can say "OUR" town?  Is it real estate owners?  Is it people below a certain wealth metric?  Is there some number of days that one must sleep here?  Or is "our" town limited to the people that YOU want and can subsidize you? 

5:48 pm est 

Re: Fire Department

First of all your obviously not educated in many areas spelling being your first.  Disability is a long list and doesn't mean always physical.  Second from knowing the stats on both Fire Departments there is a lot of members who live out of town, but work locally.  That's why it's a volunteer department, and a call department.  Educate yourself       .
5:45 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Right On JB. You take the cake!

I agree with you completely. Rich people like the 2 woman on the front page of the Banner complaining when they have a mansion on the water next to the Red Inn and have their FL home for the winter. Please, we feel so sorry for your self serving gifts to OUR town.

12:21 am est 

Wednesday, January 13, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I'm a part time resident... 150-180 days a year. I plan on retiring to Provincetown in a couple of years. I'm not against the RESIDENTIAL tax exemption and wonder just how many of the Part time residents are against it? Whatever I can do to help keep Provincetown moving in the right direction I'll do. I'll continue to support businesses and charities because it is the right thing to do.

Any other part time residents out there with me???

JB

9:31 pm est 

Hillary Clinton

 

Well, I am voting for Hillary

why?

because she is the only Democrat who can win. Bernie may win New Hampshire and Iowa but he cannot win against any Republican. Remember Gore and why he lost? This would be the same.

Hillary Clinton has been our Secretary of State. She is tested, smart and highly qualified. She can beat any of the Republicans but Bernie cannot.

I also believe there is serious Republicans money behind Bernie. this is exactly what the Republicans want. Let's not continue to be naïve.

9:30 pm est 

Re: Diversity

 

Just Look Around

Do you really see diversity here? Once the acceptance of the rainbow flag meant gay values--when it had previously been a black symbol--then diversity became restricted to gay and straight. Again, look around. This is not a town overly friendly or supportive for African-americans or for Jamaicans. Openness is rather restricted here and it sadly remains quite a biased, if not actually and rather sadly, an unspoken racist town.

since you asked!

9:28 pm est 

Provincetown Police Department

Rachael Peters US very nice volunteers her time but what is her record?  How many arrest, etc?

From what I hear it not much
9:27 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

"The new Town Manager is nothing but a bully from what I'm told."

Neato!!! now tell us what you have been told and by whom.  Oh,you can't divulge the confidential secret.  Oh, sorry I can't believe your silly BS.  

9:23 pm est 

Town Manager David Pangore

 

I can only hope and pray that the Cape Cod Tjmes reporters are following the Town Manager's Facebook page Town Talk. If you haven't seen it go there now! He has already ejected people who he feels get out of line! Holy        ! Who does this guy Panagore think he is? Silencing people he feels don't align with his platform. I heard that the halls of town hall are abuzz with chatter that he's a complete control freak. If you aren't with him, you're history. Very scary. Very scary for the future

9:22 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Fire Department

Why don't you call the fire department and ask those questions? Too afraid to expose yourself as foolish? Fact is, you already know the answer and it's all legit.
9:19 pm est 

This Blog Used to be Fun to Read

What happened to the sweetness and light poster who routinely disparaged Sharon and the cabal? You know, the one who waxed ecstatic about the Provincetown's "revolutionary" BOS (we saw how that turned out),then FINCOM (ditto) and then furiously waved his flag for the new Town Manager. Commercial Street was soon to be flowing with milk and honey.

But alas, no miracles.

Witness the pile of pissed off part timers (at least on this blog). Guess it's better then going on about the 'free loading' folks in affordable housing. Lord knows they appreciate the nasty spotlight being turned elsewhere. 

9:18 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

The new Town Manager is nothing but a bully from what I'm told. I just read where the Chief is looking to appoint and promote an officer?! Seriously????
Do we really need this in the budget?? Where is the Town Manger on this? Curious because it looks like it's back to business as usual for all the same employees. I agree with making Rachel Peters a Sgt.

5:09 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Police Department

 

"I never could understand why they allow the police dept. or any other town employee to live out of town. They certainly can't get here in an emergency. Seems all the rules changed over the years, but not for the better."

If you think about this for a few minutes you may not feel so strongly.

Provincetown is pretty small geographically.  Many towns are many times larger. How long would it take to get from North Truro to most parts of town?  Would it make a difference?  Don't we always have some officers in cars, on duty?  When I lived in Western mass I remember a big deal about the fire chief going out of state to some sort of conference in Albany which was about 50 miles away because it was "out-of-state", but meanwhile there was no problem in going to Boston which was about 3 times as far.


So let's try to make our arguments based on fact and logic rather then emotion.  Provincetown is a very expensive place to live.  If we force our town employees to live here without a very well thought out valid reason, we will be penalizing ourselves when we can't find dedicated, competent people.

1:59 pm est 

Provincetown Fire Department

 

Why are people on the fire department  that live in eastham aloud to be on the department still. why are we allowing people that are collecting disability being on rescue and fire department also? I wonder why Truro is letting this happen too

1:57 pm est 

Re: Diversity

 

"I'd love to hear this group's opinion about why Provincetown is so racially and religiously homogeneous. How can a town so accepting of sexual diversity, of outsiders, of free thinkers be so unwelcoming to people of faiths (other than Christianity and non-religious folks) and people of color. What's your solution?"

This leaves me with a head-scratching moment.  I would tend to agree that the town seems to be predominately white.  I said predominately, not exclusively.

But the religion thing.  I Seriously have no idea about this.  How does one know the religion of a person walking down the street?  Do you mean that we don't see a lot of Hindu folks?  Or, Buddhist monks?  Or what? 

What is your idea of the predominant religion as apposed to the state or country or even Truro? 

Also, I have never heard of anything that could be taken as unwelcoming to anyone (other than partimers and tourists).

I have never read anything on this free-for-all space that would give any hint of racial or religious intolerance.  Please correct me if you have info to the contrary.  You must remember that self-selection without discrimination is common in every specifies.

1:55 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

From reading the PT Community space one my be convinced that we live in two universes.  The tax changes are constantly described as "minuscule" or "small" but never once does a poster say that why bother to cause such rancor if the tax benefits and penalties are so inconsequential.  Then some one posts that it all comes down to greed and money, but does not say who is being greedy and whose money is at stake. 

Then we have a few real weird posts on the evil leaders of the parttime group.  I have met Steve(last name?)who leads the group.  Never in the history of this town has there been a more dedicated guy to town.  No guile.  Anybody who posts such hate about this guy, must not know him.  Look him up and spend a few minutes listening then tell us if your posts still reflects his attitude towards town.   Unless he is the most skilled liar and I am the most gullible I can't believe that anyone that knows him would think for one moment that he has nothing but the best intentions for the ENTIRE community.  He did not seem to be a "fat cat" or greedy or interested in harming anyone or anything.  My opinion of course, but at least I have spoken with him in the past and can't think for a second that the nasty posters have ever bothered.

12:05 pm est 

Provincetown Police Department

 

According to Police Budget review the Cheif is planning to appoint a Lieutenant. Why do we need it?A lot of us,in discussion,would like to see officer Rachel Peters appointed!If not Lt.,then Sgt. If one moves to Lt. Officer peters is well liked in the community & volunteers for everything in the spirit of Community service! In addition,looking up her record,she's a Drill team Member,Constable for the County, & Justice of the Peace,a Governor's Council Appt. & gives her own time to benefit others in need! It's people like her that we recommend be moved forward in the PPD.to benefit this community!

12:03 pm est 

Diversity

I'd love to hear this group's opinion about why Provincetown is so racially and religiously homogeneous. How can a town so accepting of sexual diversity, of outsiders, of free thinkers be so unwelcoming to people of faiths (other than Christianity and non-religious folks) and people of color. What's your solution?
12:00 pm est 

Police Department

 

I never could understand why they allow the police dept. or any other town employee to live out of town. They certainly can't get here in an emergency. Seems all the rules changed over the years, but not for the better.y

9:26 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I'd buy cake..."

Best post of this whole discussion.   And from someon who will get a tax break, no less. Thank you.

9:24 am est 

Re: Town Planner Out of Control

 

A quote here by someone that said the Town Planner should go,truthfully she shouldn't have come! the Town didn't need the position now! It's years too late & she hasn't planned anything that justifies her salary except to attend meetings! When can we expect a draft of a Master Plan? So far she has only inaugurated a 365 group to do her work for her gratis! The Acting Town Manager David Gardner,is also a Planner so his talent can be used now that a Town Manager is in place!

9:14 am est 

Re: Provincetown Health Agent

Did you actually watch the show or do you have some crazy ax to grind?? It's NOT a requirement to be a sanitarian to be come the health agent. It USED TO BE when the town was reviewing septic system designs by the droves but now that we mostly have sewer throughout the town, very few systems need to be reviewed and THAT WAS EXPLAIND IN THE VIDEO OF THE MEETING. It was also explained that the few designs that do need review go to the county for review because they are better equipped to do the review and IT COSTS THE TOWN LESS TO HAVE THEM DO IT AND ALLOWs THE HEALTH AGENT TO DO OTHER MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. This too was explained in the video of the meeting. To see that Andrews was unaware of these changes because of course SHE was on the board of health prior to her "high and mighty save us all position of temporary selectman" makes me think she's just not paying attention. Why would we need to have a person so well versed in Title V if we have sewer in the town??

Wake up.

And by the way, the current health agent is doing a great job. The one that you mention was a hectic dumpster fire. The town is FAR better off today than it was when she was in the position. Did you also hear in the video of the BOH meeting that prior health agents allowed establishments to remove the internal grease interceptors? What genius thought that was a good idea? Oh ya, your favorite prior agent. Real genius you got there! Good riddance.
9:13 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

From the length, tone and dismissiveness of your post, your overwhelming concern is obviously yourself, not this town or our community. If you cared about or understood us, the people who live here -- my friends, my family, my children, myself -- you wouldn't be able to describe us the way you have. It's very offensive and shameful.
9:06 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I'd buy a cake" were spot on. 

Go ahead and "squeeze every nickel out of the second homeowners".  It seems that many of your other options are disappearing.  Although you don't approve of second homeowners, your approval is not needed.

12:41 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I'd buy bake"

You nailed it.  Well thought out and articulated.  Well done!

12:38 am est 

I'd buy bake

You nailed it.  Well thought out and articulated.  Well done!
12:11 am est 

Tuesday, January 12, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I'd buy a cake..."

thank you for articulating what I've been thinking.

4:53 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Thank you         for your long, very long explanation of the tax exemption. Also, thank you once again for pointing out how stupid every one in town is compared to you. Enjoy Ft Lauderdale.

4:51 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Thanks to "I'd buy cake but I'm on a diet" for your well thought out and lengthy comments on the BOS Residential Exemption and what's happened to the town. 

I rarely come to this site anymore but I'm glad I did today......

I totally agree with all that you've said.  See you in April!! or May!!

3:54 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Out of Control

 

I thought that the new town manager instituted policies for how Town Employees respond to citizen concerns. To hear the current Town Planner AND the suck-up Chair of the FINCOM make disparaging remarks trying to influence voters on THEIR opinions on a Town Moderator who has contributed more to this Town than any or either of them is almost laughable. And then, the Town Manager DELETES a post that is respectful, but opinionated justifiably, by Louise Silver! I guess we know where the new town manager stands, or doesn't stand!

12:56 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Out of Control

 

Town Employees should Be More Careful

when they post. but some feel as if what they say should be posted everywhere. There should be restraints because town employees are in a political limelight and they represent the town. so caution is reasonable.

12:54 pm est 

Re: Town Planner Out of Control

 

The town planner can post whatever she likes on social media, if she's speaking for herself and not on an official town page. Everyone has the right to be a private citizen, and it doesn't mean she needs "to go." Let people live their own damn lives.

12:18 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Im a second home owner who is positively affected by the new Residential Tax Exemption because my second home is in another state where I spend less time than I do in Provincetown. Ive owned my propertywhich includes my house and separate rental propertyfor over 20 years. Over the years, Ive rented out the income property both seasonally and annually, but it didnt take long to determine that the pool of applicants for year round rentals was not very desirable from a landlords perspective. I now rent out the property seasonally because I know if theres a problem with the tenant, it wont last long. So if you think Im part of the problem because I dont want to rent to unemployed drug addicts, alcoholics, disillusioned and delusional misfits, and sad, angry people, well, tough. Its unfortunate that youve ruined it for the people who do contribute to the town in positive ways, but I dont think you can help yourselves. Thats just who you are. I have to admit though, I do!
  get a kick out of some of the things you write here, so thank you for that.

Unlike many of the posts, I dont hold the BOS responsible for not having the foresight to make changes before this train wreck happened. In the 20 years Ive attended Town Meetings, Ive heard plenty of attempts to warn the voters of what the future consequences would be unless plans were in place to help with the transition to a tourism-only based economy. I remember the first Town Meeting I attended back in the 1990s and heard Ginny Binder warn us about the inevitable changes beyond our control that were headed this way, and offering suggestions to ameliorate the problem with worker housing, etc. Unfortunately, there was always a price tag attached to those suggestions, and every single proposal up until just recently was voted down by you, the registered voters. It wasnt the rich second home owners who voted elsewhere who created the problem. It was your unwillingness to invest in the future when it truly was affordable. Look in the mirror and accept that responsibility: It!
  was yours and you blew it. But of course you wont, because its sooooo much easier to blame someone else, to demonize people who you perceive as unfairly having more than you. Newsflash: they dont vote at Town Meetings so youre going to have to eat that one.

What I do hold the current BOS responsible for is implementing such a divisive and destructive Residential Tax Exemption. It is inherently unfair, and political pandering at its worst. This issue isnt going away, despite your wishes. And no one is going to forget about it, nor will anyone forget who voted for it. Youve succeeded in alienating a large group of people (in fact, the majority of property owners in Provincetown! Just think about that for a minute...) who you could have counted on as allies to help in solving this communitys problems had you not told them theyre not part of this community. And if you think for one minute that making them pay higher taxes is going to help anyone in the long run, you are now the problem. Remember that Im legally a Provincetown resident and voter, and even Im disgusted by this divisiveness youve created with this politically based sleight of hand.

And lets talk facts: By definition, if youre already a property owner in Provincetown, youre not poor. So no poor people are being helped by the split tax. If property owners are having cash flow problems, especially the elderly, a solution from the BOS should have been to create a property tax deferral, where the balance of taxes owed would be paid upon sale of their property.

In all likelihood, if you qualify as low income, youre probably renters and not property owners, and youre not paying taxes anyway, but you still get to vote and punish those rich people. But in case you havent thought this through: Its very likely that any owner who now has to pay higher property taxes will pass on that added expense to you, the tenant. I certainly would, especially after reading all the venom thats been spewed about second home owners here. And even if youre in affordable housing and wont see any increases in your rent, Im sure you have friends who will. Remind them to thank you when they complain.

And as far as charitable giving goes, why would anyone whos told they dont belong to a community give anything to that community? Thats not being mean or petty or vindictive. Thats being human. We give to causes we believe in AND where we feel theyd be appreciated. And when you tell people theyre nothing more than a source of income, you should expect consequences because thats quite the opposite of appreciation. I hope they give generously in their primary communities, where Im sure they will be appreciated. And for all you deserving local charities that are going to sufferand you willyou should thank yourselves for not speaking out against this idiotic and politcally motivated tax issue.

Im not alone in claiming Provincetown as my primary residence while spending the winter months in a warmer climate. If the intended purpose of the tax shift is to increase the number of year round residents, it wont. Only jobs can do that, and thats not going to happen. There arent going to be any new jobs created in Provincetown, so stop with the fantasy of turning back the clock to the good old days. Theyre goneif they ever existed to begin withand theyre not coming back.

And if you feel angry now, year round Provincetown residents, consider this: The Town itself is the overwhelming largest local employer, and the majority of those employed by the Town of Provincetown do not live in Provincetown. They are not residents, they are not taxpayers, and they are not voters. If the BOS really wanted to increase the number of year round residents IN PROVINCETOWN and not Truro or Wellfleet or other towns on the Cape (like Yarmouth, for example, with its long commute), they should have a policy to only hire town residents. Oh, wait, I forgot that all the members of the BOS have friends whod lose their jobs if they actually did something to help the town.

And while Im at this, why does anyone think business owners have a responsibility to provide year round services to anyone? Theyre not 501c3 charities, which Im sure many of you are familiar with. Theyre businesses created for the purpose of staying in business and making money FOR THEM. Not for you. If you dont like the fact theyre not here in February, dont patronize them in July. Thatll show em! Now take a pill and stop your whinging.

My toughest decision right now is where to spend this windfall of Tax Relief. Id buy cake but Im on a diet...

See you all in April.

12:17 pm est 

Duarte's is a Great Space For Theater

I love the idea. It's as if the Provincetown Theater should have kept the old space of the garage for theater. It would have so much more character and presence. Now--it is rather empty and bereft of spirit. and if this is where Ryan Landry can produce what he produces--it is a great win-win and with, yes, parking!

Superb thinking. I support this wholeheartedly.
11:20 am est 

Provincetown Health Agent

 

After watching recent budget reviews the Health Agent was questioned about using G. Huefelder,County Sanitarian services so much!  OUr HEalth AGent is supposed to be a Registered Sanitarian! & if they aren't they are allowed a time certain to become one! Has ours made an attempt to do that? The County Services are only employed when the Town doesn't have a Health Agent!  Provincetown had an excellent HEalth Agent who was a Title 5 Engineer who was fired by the past Mgm't for missing a Prepaid Seminar because she had a Cancer treatment that day! Politics as usual! She was accused of just taking the Day Off!

11:18 am est 

Re: Bryan Armstrong

 

Oh, thanks for the Thread by Bryan Armstrong

and those certain individuals who responded to him. Strange how Kim Hurd--a past problem child-- merges with other present problem children to voice support for this thread.

11:16 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Awww, the poor, put-upon crybabies, with their "modest" city rentals of $3,000/month in Boston (more in NYC) who also own expensive homes and condos here..!!"

What goes through this posters mind?  From whence the $3000 apt?  Dreams?  Hate?  SO, in this mind everyone who lives part time here is rich and has a lavish lifestyle that includes expensive main homes and expensive part time homes?  What daydream though up that scenario? Everybody?? 

This is what makes for division and hate.  This is what Trump does.  he lumps a whole group into the attributes of a few.

My part time neighbors are not my enemies.  They partake in the complex governing just like the rest of us.  They care about being here and none, that I know of, are wealthy.  Just ordinary folks who love to be part of the community.  Some identify more with Provincetown more than their principal residence but their jobs are there. 

11:13 am est 

Town Planner Out of Control

 

Still do not know why the town planner is posting political statements on fb. This woman needs to go!

11:12 am est 

Monday, January 11, 2016

Provincetown Beacon

 

BREAKING:          m   told a Freeman Street neighbor that Ryan Landry is a partner in the theater/bar development at Duarte Motors

10:28 pm est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

"...you should be able to start a thread disagreeing with someone with something other than snark, sarcasm and disrespect."

I wholeheartedly agree.  Add to the above ridiculing posters who make spelling errors; unless the misspeller's stated positions are similar to the ridiculer's.  In those cases, the misspellers always get a free pass.

10:07 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Two Tiered Tax

I, for one, thank the BOS for doing this.

It has generated such controversy in this rather quiet little part of the world.

The debate occupies our otherwise quiet few months before spring forces us outside.

Without it, what else would we complain about?

10:05 pm est 

Bryan Armstrong

 

Bryan Armstrong
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What if MJ runs for Selectmen, wouldn't it be a hoot if I ran against her.
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10:04 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Trump is dead wrong for calling all Muslims terrorists and you are dead wrong for thinking that all non-full-time taxpayers are wealthy second homeowners that are able or willing to subsidize your tax bill.  Please cite any available data to back up your biases. "

OMG Godwin's law in a new, twisted sense! Using Trump in a conversation about the Resident Exemption! OK, let's try this, although I know logic isn't most of these poster's long suit...it's a law in MA. If you don't like this law, and you don't like that a Town can implement it, maybe MA isn't the place for you to own that second home. Cry for me because I own two homes! You're not subsidizing anything with your couple of hundred extra bucks in taxes. You're actually paying your share of what it costs to run this town in the summer while most are renting out their residences and not paying taxes on THAT income, or paying rooms tax like legitimate businesses are. So think of it this way: you're finally starting to pay your fair share of having a "vacation home" by paying for the increased costs the town has in making it possible for you to even want to come here. You're welcome.
9:59 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption vs. literally Anything Else

 

"Isn't it nice to have this minor shift in the taxes just to say thanks to the 2,000 people or so that keep this community running during the winter and enabling the town to transition into the high season without completely starting up services like they were operating for the first time ever." 

Minor? then why bother?  2000 people or so keep this place running during the Winter?  Kidding, right.  Who are they and exactly what do they do tokeep this place "running".  How about the parttime neighbors that put in 80 % of our revenue to allow the town to keep "running" during the winter.  Start up services?  who pays for them?  not you.  Where do we get 80 % of our tax dollars?  Not from the questionable 2000.  That's for sure.  So you are stuck here without a job all winter and like it.  I have no problem with that.  Just don't think that others should subsidize you. 

9:54 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption vs. literally Anything Else

 

"If you are still talking about the residential tax exemption you are part of the problem. Whether you are a resident or non-resident. It's such a small-bore, inconsequential thing. Focus instead on economic development, ways to build community, ideas to bring us into the new year with optimism and purpose."

You are serious, right?  Inconsequential?  Then why did they do it?  For something "inconsequential" they have torn up the town.  Any thoughts on economic development?  How about a nuclear power plant, or an Amazon shipment location, or a Toyota assembly plant?  Ok, I did my part now you do yours.

9:31 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption vs. literally Anything Else

"If you are still talking about the residential tax exemption you are part of the problem. Whether you are a resident or non-resident. It's such a small-bore, inconsequential thing. Focus instead on economic development, ways to build community, ideas to bring us into the new year with optimism and purpose."


For those that receive the Residential Tax Exemption it may be an "inconsequential thing", but for those of us that have to come up with the extra money to subsidize "the poor unfortunate souls", it is a big thing! Don't minimize how I feel.  Like you, I'd be happy if I just saved a few hundred bucks. 

9:28 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I find it quite amusing that the poster children for "second homeowners crying foul" are            and              . Their threat of "canceling their legacy gift commitments and financial contributions to several non-profits" makes one wonder what their real motive was in giving in the first place. Tax breaks? Write offs? One would think this tax wouldn't be such a big deal for a couple who paid more than 2 million dollars for their house on the water.

9:25 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Awww, the poor, put-upon crybabies, with their "modest" city rentals of $3,000/month in Boston (more in NYC) who also own expensive homes and condos here..!!  Instead of being grateful that they have the money for TWO places, they complain because they can't get the poor slobs with barely one residence to "subsidize" them for their TWO, whaaaaa whaaa whaaa....won't miss you dregs of society.

9:21 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Isn't it nice to have this minor shift in the taxes just to say thanks to the 2,000 people or so that keep this community running during the winter and enabling the town to transition into the high season without completely starting up services like they were operating for the first time ever. And slow down with the rediculous comparison to Trump and his view on Muslims... Really!

4:56 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I am grateful for the resident exemption and I don't understand why those second hand homeowners from Flor ida, Boston , Telluride Co.etc don't see it as the same as what they are partaking of at their legal residence. "

Why are you grateful for the exemption?  In my complex there is not a single person from Florida or telluride.  Also, several are not "second home owners."  They live in fairly modest apartments and don't make a ton of money.  Why do you want to stereotype all partimers?  One size does not fit all.  Trump is dead wrong for calling all Muslims terrorists and you are dead wrong for thinking that all non-full-time taxpayers are wealthy second homeowners that are able or willing to subsidize your tax bill.  Please cite any available data to back up your biases. 

2:28 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption vs. literally Anything Else


If you are still talking about the residential tax exemption you are part of the problem. Whether you are a resident or non-resident. It's such a small-bore, inconsequential thing. Focus instead on economic development, ways to build community, ideas to bring us into the new year with optimism and purpose.
2:26 pm est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

UNBELIEVABLLE! (not really because this has been goingnon for years)
Why do people believe it is the job of the Board of Selectmen create jobs and/or housing and keep encouraging them in these directions? How about encouraging the Selectmen to enact legislation and bylaws aimed at protecting the close knit, friendly community we once had, and at the same time realize Provincetown has changed forever from the vibrant year round economy we once enjoyed to todays 4 or 5 month tourism driven economy. At the same time selectmem and town department heads should learn how to plan ahead instead of using the last minute "crisis management" tactics currently employed. Instead of waiting until budgets are due for review they should be scrutinized thoroughly for need and return on investment. A good example is the $500, 000 "automatic" parking gate at the MPL. Just because the parking department makes money does not (or should not) mean they can just spend it without any understanding about what they are purchasing or if it is necessary. Another thing that should be reviewed is the number of employees employed in each department well as how efficiently (inefficiently) they are used ( never mind the police department)

2:22 pm est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

"...disagreeing with someone with something other than snark, sarcasm and disrespect. I.E., "I'll tell you what I think, Cheryl." So childish and counterproductive."


You might want to go back to Cheryl's original post, she ended it with: "Let us know what you think.  Cheryl People only were providing feedback.  Their opinions.  She may not agree with them, but everyone has a right to their opinion.  Cheryl is given a public forum to express her positions and she should be aware of what ALL tax payers have to say.  I think Cheryl is very resilient and can handle hearing opinions that differ from hers.  She can handle herself and doesnt need you to come to her defense
2:19 pm est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

"I think mostly, it pointed out that this new policy really isn't that big of a deal and shouldn't be taken as the symbolic, watershed moment many have turned it into. (I'm addressing that to many of the commentators here.)"

So you think that forcing people to help pay the taxes of others regardless of ability is not a big deal.  If somebody decided to take your wallet and tell you that they want it more than you, that is ok? 

If you don't think that this is a big deal then you have your head somewhere other than where it should be.  It is symbolic to most of the people in my complex.  Most of them alwys thought that they were part of the community, (although with some legal restrictions) but now, no way.  "All we want is your money."  

2:16 pm est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

"And the town manager made some basic, important points: that this policy is only one small part of a "mosaic" that will start to address the ills that are facing our community; that positive change is going to take as many years to turn things around as negative change took to rip things apart; and that, up until this point, Provincetown's involvement with state and federal government and other similar communities has been minimal to none."

If Panagore thinks that this is such a small part, then let him buy a house in town and not declare it as his domicile.  Then he can't vote and will be bullied into paying more taxes  If he won't do that then maybe he will pay some partimers "small part".

No matter what you call it, it is still BS.  Our neighbors have been told that they don't matter to this town and that they can afford to subsidize "residents" who can afford to pay their own way.

11:43 am est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

I posted my opinion of the interview and used the word awful. I stand by it. That is my opinion. I don't think I was being snarky and hope that response was not directed at my post. I am grateful for the resident exemption and I don't understand why those second hand homeowners from Flor ida, Boston , Telluride Co.etc don't see it as the same as what they are partaking of at their legal residence. But again, I think the interview was full of contradictions and a total lack of substance and direction.

11:35 am est 

Love the Pop Ups

 

Such a great idea and I'm loving Blackfish open through the winter. this is great and I applaud the old Waterford for the three day Pop Up. It was fantastic and so creative. this is just what we need and want.

11:33 am est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood With Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

And, I should have added:

If you're older than 15, you should be able to start a thread disagreeing with someone with something other than snark, sarcasm and disrespect. I.E., "I'll tell you what I think, Cheryl." So childish and counterproductive.

10:03 am est 

Re: WOMR Host Ira Wood with Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

The folks who have commented on the WOMR show thus far have been very harsh and a bit unrealistic about what can be accomplished in a 30 minute talk show with 4 people vying for the microphone.

The show was worthwhile because it gave Tom and Cheryl a platform to voice why they voted like they voted. It gave the vote a human vote and rational. I think mostly, it pointed out that this new policy really isn't that big of a deal and shouldn't be taken as the symbolic, watershed moment many have turned it into. (I'm addressing that to many of the commentators here.)

And the town manager made some basic, important points: that this policy is only one small part of a "mosaic" that will start to address the ills that are facing our community; that positive change is going to take as many years to turn things around as negative change took to rip things apart; and that, up until this point, Provincetown's involvement with state and federal government and other similar communities has been minimal to none. Those new relationships are just starting and will take time to blossom into tangible help.

If you listened to the 30 minutes of the show and can't glean anything positive from it (or can't use critical thinking to actually think about some of the points and parse them) you're part of the problem, not the solution. Move on. 

10:02 am est 

Re: I'll Let You Know What I Think Cheryl


'I think your performance was laughable in this interview.  "I know someone who commutes from Yarmouth."'


You are right.  What relevance does a short commute have? Making ignorant statements like this just illustrate how out of touch Cheryl is. Should everyone be guaranteed a short commute to work?  I work in NYC and I commute 1.5 hours each way to work.  Big deal!  That is what I need to do to have affordable housing. Cheryl's house is pretty big.  Maybe she can rent out some rooms to the people who have "long" commutes to jobs in town.  The first room could go to her friend from Yarmouth.  Cheryl, start thinking out of the box.  You could even consider offering a free room with breakfast.  No need to thank me for the suggestion...just like the Residential Tax Exemption, we all need to do our part for the future of Provincetown.
9:59 am est 

Re: I'll Let You Know What I Think Cheryl

"The town will go on, the Resident Exemption is now in place, and all the whining in the world won't change it. And maybe, just maybe, it will do what it was intended to. And if it doesn't? It won't be a big deal."


Yes, for the residents that are not paying a tax increase and in many cases, receiving a tax break, it is not a big deal.  Don't tell me who I should be subsidizing.  I decide where to put my charitable dollars to work and I don't need Cheryl and the rest of the BOS to decide for me.  Cheryl seems to think this will just blow over.  Apparently the group of home owners she is speaking to represents benefit from her actions.  What public forum does Cheryl suggest second home owners use to present their opinions and go on record to express how we feel?  The voters of Provincetown have a voice, but the majority of the tax payers do not.  Sorry Cheryl if you think we complain too much on this blog, but we have no other opportunity to express our dissatisfaction with the job you are doing.
9:56 am est 

Re: I'll Let You Know What I Think Cheryl

 

Sad that through several decades, Boards of Selectmen chose to ignore the issues that the town is now grappling with, concerning the availability of a diverse financial range in residential options for its residents.

9:53 am est 

Sunday, January 10, 2016

WOMR Host Ira Wood with Town Board Members and Town Manager

 

I listened to the radio with Cheryl, Tom and David. It was awful...babble and the just a bunch of contradictions connected with a lot of contemporary bywords. Nothing made any sense or gave any hope. (One said the split tax rate would help keep residents in town the other said it would not make a difference.One said the school is growing the other said families are not coming to town t live in a 500 sq. ft. apt... just two examples)

5:24 pm est 

Re: SKIP

 

"It does surprise me that the largest entertainment complex in  town, owned by individuals always too willing to tell the rest of the town what to do, is unable to stay open all year. I mean seriously, these guys are borderline manic in their need to be involved in so much of the town's activities. Stay open all year round or shut the        up."

Should they stay open because:

1)you say they should.

2) The BOS will raise their taxes if they don't

3) they are a public charity that exists for the public good and not a private business.

4)  tell us another

5:20 pm est 

Re: I'll Let You Know What I Think Cheryl

 

"The BOS should be focused on getting residents jobs, not finding loop holes to make some residents pay more to clean up the mess the BOS makes."

Not sure that I can find anything in the bylaws or charter that says the BOS has anything to do with getting residents jobs.  So please tell us what you mean.  Second point.  Totally on the mark about mess the BOS has made.

1:45 pm est 

Re: SKIP

 

It does surprise me that the largest entertainment complex in  town, owned by individuals always too willing to tell the rest of the town what to do, is unable to stay open all year. I mean seriously, these guys are borderline manic in their need to be involved in so much of the town's activities. Stay open all year round or shut the        up.

1:42 pm est 

Re: I'll Let You Know What I Think Cheryl


"You have done nothing to create any year round employment in Provincetown.  Your latest stunt of this twoo(sic) tier tax system has divided the town forever.  Nice job."

First off, what makes you think that any BOS member, or anyone from town government can "create any year round employment"? Other than blowing off your mouth here, how about you explain what magic powers BOS members have to do this? If you want to complain about that, talk to business owners and they'll explain to you the why and the how on staying year-round and the economics. And I have news for you: the town isn't about to change that picture no matter what it does. The market forces are stronger than the town government can ever be. All it can do it tweak at the edges and hope for the best. Secondly, this didn't "divide the town forever" because it's mostly a handful of loudmouths. Most second homeowners I've talked to have no idea, nor do they care. Most FIRST homeowners don't even know what they pay in taxes. And as for the loudmouths? They'll fade away just like all the other ones we've experienced recently, and a new crop of people will take their place. Secret: no one cares. Literally. No. One. The town will go on, the Resident Exemption is now in place, and all the whining in the world won't change it. And maybe, just maybe, it will do what it was intended to. And if it doesn't? It won't be a big deal.
1:40 pm est 

Thank You

 

Thank you for real conversations and real perspectives.

I rally appreciate what I'm reading here. but, Yikes--on some of these other--so-called blogs--boring! It is dull and not worth reading. So I am glad you have real posts that address, yes, real issues.

11:05 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption -& the Future of Provincetown

"I just got my resident exemption application. I am happy that there is no property assessment cap to qualify! This is very good for all year round residents."

Not at ALL good for all part time residents.  The more you save, the more we pay.  Sounds fair... to you!
11:04 pm est 

Saturday, January 9, 2016

An Observation

 

It never ceases to amaze me how little people pay attention, or just plain make up the "facts". It would be nice if before one commits to words on paper that the authors of some of this trash would check their facts. I'm glad it is the same people over and over, and doesn't represent the majority!

7:59 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption - & the Future of Provincetown


"The problems this town has is because of them (second home owners) and we need their money to solve the problem.  Hopefully this is only the first of many attempts the BOS plans to make to squeeze every nickel we can out of them."

Cheryl, you wanted feedback... so here it is.  The BOS took action that divided the town and from the position you expressed in the interview along with the new town manager, you could care less.  You made your agenda very clear and now that we know you read this blog, we'll be sure to pass along credit where credit is due.  The BOS should be focused on getting residents jobs, not finding loop holes to make some residents pay more to clean up the mess the BOS makes.  Maybe you should be more focused on cutting spending instead of coming up with creative ways to keep your constituency quiet and allow the BOS to spend tax dollars irresponsibly.  Here in novel idea... lower taxes for everyone.  How about the BOS give that a try?
 

 

5:57 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police

The split tax rate is revenue NEUTRAL; it generates No additional taxes.  That is not where the money for the mounted police came from. However, I would love to know who did pay for mounted police in January and why anyone thought we would need them.
5:51 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police

 
Possibly the expense of the mounted police was justified by the expected increase in revenue from the split tax rate. That is if anyone even considered "justifying" the additional cost. Remember, spending by town departments is not questioned in Provincetown, nor is it tracked. When cash is short raise taxes. That is our towm mantra.

4:18 pm est 

Re: Millennials Are Abandoning Night Clubs

 

"As the bars and restaurants close down here, they all head up cape. What does Provincetown offer a millennial, gay or straight, in the winter???"

Chicken or egg?  would you risk your money and business on the hope that you will have enough patrons to make it worthwhile?  These business owners are neither stupid nor charities.

4:16 pm est 

Re: SKIP

 

"Other restaurants choose to make money from tourists in the summer so they can relax or travel for the other six months. Everyone knows that."

SOME may do that.  To stay open is a choice that does not imply public service or heroism.  They do it because they feel that there facility can make them money.  That's all folks.  Betsy's and jimmy's are also open for a good part of the off season but at reduced time because they will lose money if they stay open for full time.  They are not non-profits and their staffs insist on being paid.

Stop trying to canonize people and damning others.

4:14 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption -& the Future of Provincetown

 

I just got my resident exemption application. I am happy that there is no property assessment cap to qualify! This is very good for all year round residents.

4:12 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption -& the Future of Provincetown

Cheryl,

Thank you for providing the link to your interview.  Very enlightening.  Glad to hear the Town Managers supports whole heartily the BOS Residential Tax Exemption.  The only way this town will grow is if pain is felt.  If that means the second home owners feel it, so be it.  The problems this town has is because of them and we need their money to solve the problem.  Hopefully this is only the first of many attempts the BOS plans to make to squeeze every nickel we can out of them.  There may be more of them, but we have the power and plan to use it. This is our time to make things right!
4:10 pm est 

I'll Let You Know What I Think Cheryl

I think your performance was laughable in this interview.  "I know someone who commutes from Yarmouth."  Big deal its there choice to do this.  "Many people who bought here like me in the 80's have sold because there properties have appreciated so much it didn't make sense not to cash in."Its there choice to do this.  You have done nothing to create any year round employment in Provincetown.  Your latest stunt of this twoo tier tax system has divided the town forever.  Nice job.
12:44 am est 

Re: Millennials Are Abandoning Night Clubs

 
"Why aren't millennials patronizing night life venues?"

As the bars and restaurants close down here, they all head up cape. What does Provincetown offer a millennial, gay or straight, in the winter???

12:41 am est 

Re: SKIP

 

"Keeping a restaurant open at lunch time is fruitless because the majority of people who live here in the winter would rather go get lunch free rather than pay"


Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion. However, I know many people who occasionally patronize SKIP as another lunch option in town. And many of these people contribute something as well, don't assume everyone eating at SKIP is doing so for free.

And if you think staying open in winter is "fruitless," why don't you tell that to Far Land, Angel Foods, Napi's, George's, the Governor Bradford, and 141 Market. They wouldn't be open if there was no money to be made. These are business owners with a strong work ethic and a sense of community. They serve us, so we support them.

Other restaurants choose to make money from tourists in the summer so they can relax or travel for the other six months. Everyone knows that.

12:38 am est 

Friday, January 8, 2016

Re: SKIP

 

"Keeping a restaurant open at lunch time is fruitless because the majority of people who live here in the winter would rather go get lunch free rather than pay" 

Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion. However, I know many people who occasionally patronize SKIP as another lunch option in town. And many of these people contribute something as well, don't assume everyone eating at SKIP is doing so for free.

And if you think staying open in winter is "fruitless," why don't you tell that to Far Land, Angel Foods, Napi's, George's, the Governor Bradford, and 141 Market. They wouldn't be open if there was no money to be made. These are business owners with a strong work ethic and a sense of community. They serve us, so we support them.

Other restaurants choose to make money from tourists in the summer so they can relax or travel for the other six months. Everyone knows that.

8:03 pm est 

Provincetown BOS

 

Hey Mr. Donegan, Mr. Yingling, Ms. Andrews, Mr. Richter, and Mr. Anthony....since you've been on the BOS exactly how many full time, year round jobs that pay a living wage, have you created?   My guess is zero. All the BOS seems to be good at is building welfare housing.  Nothing wrong with that, except that you're not housing the needy people from Ptown there. It's people from all over Massachusetts that are moving here. Build  500 affordable units here and all you will accomplish is attracting 500 or a 1000 more people here in need of a job that pays a decent wage. If you're not going to do something about the year round job situation here then you should resign and let someone who actually knows something take over. So far all any one of you is doing is sitting on your butts patting yourselves and each other on the back (with the exception of Richter who has accomplished much - that benefits his                 businesses).  You're all a disgrace and should be as!
hamed of yourselves.

6:34 pm est 

Re: Millennials Are Abandoning Night Clubs

"Why aren't millennials patronizing night life venues?"


As a Millennial, I would agree more with the person who posted the list, and not the person who just blames it on the Internet.

David Brook's column about Millennials today was spot on, too:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/08/opinion/the-self-reliant-generation.html?ref=opinion

(Although it's mostly about politics, not clubs)
6:31 pm est 

BOS Residential Exemption Mexican Government vs El Cheapo

 

"I see that the Mexican government has caught El Cheapo. Did he leave Provincetown due to the tax disparity situation?"

From what I see posted around town half of our "year rounders" spend half the year in Mexico, so maybe one of them spotted him. 

6:26 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police

 

I was here for the 4th of July in 2005. I wasn't talking about the 4th that has always had the potential to be a challenge. I was talking about New Years Eve from 5 to 7 pm and 35 degrees out and with no history of problems. And again I was just questioning not ridiculing the decision to have 4 to 6 state mounted police riding through town. It seemed excessive to me.

6:25 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police

 

"To the poster that ridiculed a legitimate question as to why town had to pay for the state mounted police, you missed the thrust of my question. Ptown HAS a police force with enough officers being paid for Ptown in JANUARY. This was a complete overkill. Who authorized it and what did it cost? Where's the reasonable oversight? These are reasonable observations. Jeesh - go ahead BOS and TM waste more money on our bloated police force. Pun intended."

Ok, will it be ridicule if I ask what your credentials are for knowing the number of police needed at any given time and occasion?  I wonder if the cost of overtime to staff the events would exceed the cost of the horse guys.  I also wonder what was the actual cost of the horses and riders.  I think to conduct reasonable criticism of spending a person might know all the costs and alternatives involved.  Of course, nothing beats knocking others decisions.  Always fun.

2:52 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I see that the Mexican government has caught El Cheapo. Did he leave Provincetown due to the tax disparity situation?

 

2:40 pm est 

Re: Millennials Are Abandoning Night Clubs

 

"Why aren't millennials patronizing night life venues?"


To the previous poster that identified various reasons millennials are no longer attending night life venues--   the sole reason they no longer attend is due to the internet.   This is the first generation that has been able to meet on-line and no longer need to go to a venue to meet someone as previous generations did.   That's all.

1:07 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police

 

To the poster that ridiculed a legitimate question as to why town had to pay for the state mounted police, you missed the thrust of my question. Ptown HAS a police force with enough officers being paid for Ptown in JANUARY. This was a complete overkill. Who authorized it and what did it cost? Where's the reasonable oversight? These are reasonable observations. Jeesh - go ahead BOS and TM waste more money on our bloated police force. Pun intended.

1:05 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police


"Perhaps it had something to do with the experienced security specialists......"
 

I didn't know we had a security specialist in Provinctown. I questioned the mounted police only based on 40 years of living here and witnessing New Years Eve which always seemed peaceful. But I don't think I needed to be told that there might be people smarter than I....I was just asking, I didn't think I needed to be chastised.

1:02 pm est 

Re: Millennials Are Abandoning Night Clubs

 

"Why aren't millennials patronizing night life venues?"

Interesting.  Any mention of what they've sought as alternatives?

1:00 pm est 

Re: Mounted Police

Maybe you weren't here for the near-riot that occurred after 4th of July fireworks in 2005.  You can Google it.  Caused the then BOS to cancel the 2006 fireworks. When fireworks came back, security was enhanced including state police presence.  Beats a repeat riot.
12:59 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

I listened to the Chair of the BOS on WOMR state that the reason behind giving the residential exemption is to keep people in homes.   Unfortunately the exemption does not keep people in homes, and may in fact result in some losing their homes.    I would like the Chair to identify one single homeowner that will be able to keep their home because of this residential exemption.   While it's great that the BOS want to keep people in their homes, this is not the answer and will have unintended consequences.   For the record, I am a year-round property owner that will benefit from the exemption, but think it is the wrong answer and has created unneeded divisiveness in our town.  Thankfully the Chair is on his way out.
1:58 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption -& the Future of Provincetown

 

http://womr.org/podcast/provincetowns-economic-future-with-tom-donegan-cheryl-andrews-and-david-panagore/


An interview by former selectman Ira Wood of Wellfleet, host of WOMR's "Low Down"...last week.

Let us know what you think.

Cheryl

1:55 am est 

Millennials Are Abandoning Night Clubs

Why aren't millennials patronizing night life venues?

We know that millennials arent frequenting nightclubs often, but why? What are their reasons? An anonymous online survey set out to find the answers. Millennials who were not regular nightclub attenders were asked for their reasons for not attending. Their responses:

    Expensive cover charges
    Overly-priced drinks
    Long lines
    Slow bar services
    Rude staff
    Being pushed around in crowded atmosphere
    Poor male to female ratio
    Better ways to discover new music
    Inability to have a conversation
1:52 am est 

Re: State Mounted Police in Provincetown

 

"Why did our town think we needed a state mounted police presents (4 or 6) for our aging town on a cold New Years Eve from 5 til 6 or7 pm and how much did this cost?"

Perhaps it had something to do with the experienced security specialists doing what they are paid to do -- make this place safe for all.  It is possible to know more about public safety than you know.

1:48 am est 

Re: Departmental Budgeted Expenses

 

" If I understand everything we will have a deficit in the next budget year if we approve everything in the budget."

I think that, by law, towns are not allowed to operate a deficit budget. Something has to change.  More revenue or less expenditures.

Clarification:
They said 2017 fiscal year is OK, but if we add everything to the budget we have a deficit in 2018

1:46 am est 

Re: H1N1 Flu Virus Kills 14 In Costa Rica
 
"H1N1 flu virus kills 14 in Costa Rica--when are the Provincetown tudents supposed to go there?

San José (AFP) - The H1N1 flu virus killed at least 14 people in Costa Rica over the past month, health authorities said Wednesday, but reassured that they did not see the illness causing a public emergency. "There are 14 confirmed cases...."


Such transparent BS..This is like the Trumpster going on about terrorism and the terrible threat to us from ISIS and at the same time promoting guns.  Of course, he ignores the fact that there are very, very few deaths in the USA from ISIS etc, but thousands die each year from gun violance.

So, How many people died in Costa Rica last month? Where in Costa Rica did the flu occur?  Did all the people have access to medical care or were they destitute and had no care?

WHy not just continue with your old posts that you hate the idea of somebody having something that you don't have.  
1:44 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Why did the BOS and the new town manager wait until the middle off December to impose this two tier tax system.  Why?  Because they are cowards.  They waited until the population in Provincetown was at its lowest level hoping that no one would notice this stunt.  YOU GOT CAUGHT.  I hope you all get what you deserve in 2016.

1:41 am est 

Best Budget Question of the Night:

Yingling: we have insurance for overtime?

Asked of police chief
1:40 am est 

Re: SKIP

"If you want to have an eatery to stay open year round when there is not enough business to pay for it, then start it yourself.  SKIP (thank the lord) is  great non-profit place to get meals prepared by someone else. (if for some reason you can't prepare them yourself)."


Did you ever put these two points together?  Keeping a restaurant open at lunch time is fruitless because the majority of people who live here in the winter would rather go get lunch free rather than pay.  I see Town Hall employees, contractors, DPW people there every day.  The reason many are there are that the "guests" would rather eat for free.  Also, lets not forget that it is volunteers like me that are preparing those meals you enjoy.  So if you can afford to eat out, but choose not to, then you are contributing to the lack of open establishments.
1:36 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"... Am I the only one who is getting a bit tired of hearing about the plight of the poor, long suffering second home owners??"

Funny I was thinking the same thing about the very vocal, long suffering year round residents.  You let us know at nauseam just how rough you have it.  When does your next unemployment check arrive?  You might have some extra cash to take a vacation or at least go hang out at your favorite bar.  Until then, just go hang out at the SKIP...lunch is on me.
1:33 am est 

Pop Ups are a Great Addition

So happy to see the three day Pop Up at the old Waterford and even older Commons. Great to have Barbara Lynch doing hors d'oeuvres and to see this restaurant alive with good food and customers. and then great to see Local become a Pop Up as Black Fish with crowds loving it as well. Casual, exciting and so much fun.

Here's to these two Pop Ups and here's to us in this win- win deal. Let's see more of this!
1:32 am est 

Thursday, January 7, 2016

State Mounted Police in Provincetown

 

Why did our town think we needed a state mounted police presents (4 or 6) for our aging town on a cold New Years Eve from 5 til 6 or7 pm and how much did this cost?

11:30 am est 

H1N1 Flu Virus Kills 14 In Costa Rica


H1N1 flu virus kills 14 in Costa Rica--when are the Provincetown tudents supposed to go there?

San José (AFP) - The H1N1 flu virus killed at least 14 people in Costa Rica over the past month, health authorities said Wednesday, but reassured that they did not see the illness causing a public emergency. "There are 14 confirmed cases....
11:27 am est 

Oh What a Beautiful Morning Oh What a Beautiful Day!

 

Isn't it a beautiful day?  Sunny and bright, new year, new opportunities and horizons, bye-bye "same old crap"! Yes, 2016 will be a GREAT year!

11:25 am est 

Re: Departmental Budgeted Expenses

 

" If I understand everything we will have a deficit in the next budget year if we approve everything in the budget."

I think that, by law, towns are not allowed to operate a deficit budget. Something has to change.  More revenue or less expenditures.  

11:13 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"How on earth did you somehow manage to make this completely unrelated post about YOU? This post had nothing to do with second home owners. Why don't you stop being a martyr and just move on. Am I the only one who is getting a bit tired of hearing about the plight of the poor, long suffering second home owners??"

First stop with the "second homeowners" BS.  You use the term only to denigrate partime residents.

Secondly to post the fact that a good parttimer contributes to SKIP is a simple statement of fact.  I don't think that too many parttimers actually use the SKIP, but they certainly do  contribute.  How can you possibly turn that around into a negative?  I would love to hear from someone at SKIP about how much parttimers contribute. 

11:10 am est 

Re: Economic Development Grant

 

"Can a local year round business apply for a $5,000.00 economic development grant to do a renovation on their business property? "

It might be better to contact the originator of these gramts rather than to risk getting some pseudo answers here.

11:08 am est 

Enjoy Your Increasing Irrelevance

 

If someone were to come to this site for the first time today -- someone writing a story for the NYT, for example -- trying to glean an insight about what Provincetown is all about, what we're thinking about these days, this is what they would walk away thinking: we're obsessed with taxes and the division between residents and second home-owners. We believe community only comes in the form of volunteer soup kitchens and restaurants that stay open year round that no one who lives and works here can afford on a daily or even weekly basis. And that we enjoy ripping each other down, not welcoming new ideas, promoting each other, sharing new ideas.

That is -- literally -- the only thing you have talked about in the past few days. This is so out of touch with what the majority of Provincetown thinks and feels.

The only conclusion I can make is that your posters must be mostly older people; mostly non-business owners; mostly arm-chair commenters who aren't active in the community. You aren't creating (or even feeling) the pulse of the town. The ones who do are mostly business people, younger people -- I guess the type of people who don't have the time or desire to sit around complaining on a website.

Enjoy your increasing irrelevance, I guess.

10:56 am est 

Two Unrelated Points

 

1) I think the post about restaurant hero's staying open as opposed to those that understandably close is that if some that close were to remain open it might help change the economic abandonment we feel in town.

2) I do not understand why there isn't more concern about the year-round residents being divided relative to the new tax structure by the fact that one's house is assessed more than their neighbors..... seems three categories of division have been created.

10:52 am est 

Departmental Budgeted Expenses

 

Just wondering if there are any items that need closer examination or any departmental expense that raises any questions. I'd appreciate some information from those who have examined our budget closely. Thanks.


I've watched the two nights.  If I understand everything we will have a deficit in the next budget year if we approve everything in the budget.  So far the Selectmen have approved everything requested, not one cut made.  Last night was interesting when the pier wanted the town to waive their rent.  Cheryl who has a boat and is very tight with the pier wants the town to give the pier another $100,000.  Tom and Eric said no, Raphael sided with Cheryl and I didn't hear if Bobby said anything.  More money to the black hole that is the pier.

10:07 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"No wonder so many people frequent the soup kitchen. THERE'S a place that is really committed to community." - I'm glad my contribution to a worthy cause is appreciated.  Too bad you do not appreciate me or have anything good to say about me as I am a second home owner."

How on earth did you somehow manage to make this completely unrelated post about YOU? This post had nothing to do with second home owners. Why don't you stop being a martyr and just move on. Am I the only one who is getting a bit tired of hearing about the plight of the poor, long suffering second home owners??

10:03 am est 

Re: Scrapping the Bottom of the Barrel

 
"You know what the difference is between the domestic terrorists in Oregon and their guns, and second-homeowners threatening to not spend any of their money (or nickel-and-dime-the year-rounders) in Provincetown?

NOTHING.  Congrats.  You're both at the bottom of the same disgusting barrel."


Wow, now the second-homeowners are being compared to terrorists.  Did the BOS and Town Manager accomplish their goal to divide the community?  This post is just one of many on this blog that illustrates the damage they did and how divisive the new tax exemption is to the community.

10:02 am est 

Economic Development Grant
 
Can a local year round business apply for a $5,000.00 economic development grant to do a renovation on their business property?
9:59 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"While the definition of "rich" could be debated here, what is not debatable is this:
If you spend time residing between two or more residential properties, regardless of where these are located, or whether you rent or own them, you, my friend, have far more assets, financial, included, than most people around the world.  Nothing wrong with it, but please cease the whinning."


And so do you , my friend.  SO what is your point.  If there is nothing wrong with it, then why even mention it. 

The point that partimers are trying to make (from what I read) is that there is no fairness to this new tax system. It has nothing to do with being better off financially than someone else.  There is no means test of ability to pay. There is one simple fact:  the new tax has been imposed without any ability of those that will bear the burden to have a legal, binding say in the matter.  This is evident in all the posts here and the feelings of my neighbors are worsened by the folks that castigate them here.  I hear no whining for them.  I hear frustrated cries of being dumped into a one-size-fits-all description of people who for any number of reasons live with us only part of the year. To some nasty posters here, these neighbors are good and desirable only as sources of revenue.     

9:57 am est 

Re: Holiday Market

 

"Absolutely.  Let's thank the real restaurant hero's of this town that stay open all winter for us - Fanizzi's, Napi's and the Mews. (and any others I may forget)

Thank you for being open all year round when the $$$ and tourists are gone."


How naive can a person be?  They do not stay open for any reason than because they can make money.  That is economics 101.  They are not good or bad.  They are not like SKIP.  They are private businesses that operate to make a profit/living. 

9:51 am est 

Re: Holiday Market

 

Get a grip real restaurant hero's?

9:48 am est 

Wednesday, January 6, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Many rent their primary domicile for reasons that are of no concern to the debate here."

Several have posted here that just because they own a residential property in this town, IN ADDaITION to renting or owning a residential property somewhere else doesn't them make them rich.

While the definition of "rich" could be debated here, what is not debatable is this: 
If you spend time residing between two or more residential properties, regardless of where these are located, or whether you rent or own them, you, my friend, have far more assets, financial, included, than most people around the world.  Nothing wrong with it, but please cease the whinning. 

Celebrate your financial condition, while continuing to strive towards helping those who, for physical or mental health reasons, will never have the ability to attain, here or anywhere else, what you have already attained.

8:17 pm est 

Re: Holiday Market
 
"No wonder so many people frequent the soup kitchen. THERE'S a place that is really committed to community."

I'm glad my contribution to a worthy cause is appreciated.  Too bad you do not appreciate me or have anything good to say about me as I am a second home owner.
7:06 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

If the Board of Selectmen had any sense of responsibility to the total community they serve, they would develop a mechanism with the Town Manager and Chief Assessor to evaluate the effectiveness of the year round residential exemption program they created.

(1) How many properties qualify for the exemption?

(2) What is the average amount of the exemption?

(3) What is the average tax savings?

(4) Did it make a difference in the retention of year round homeowners (does the property remain in the same ownership after 1,2 and 3 years)?

7:04 pm est 

Scrapping the Bottom of the Barrel

 

You know what the difference is between the domestic terrorists in Oregon and their guns, and second-homeowners threatening to not spend any of their money (or nickel-and-dime-the year-rounders) in Provincetown?

NOTHING.  Congrats.  You're both at the bottom of the same disgusting barrel.

7:03 pm est 

Re: Holiday Market

 

"Yeah, and now that there's no more money to be made and the tourists are all gone, so is the canteen. So much for community and "goodwill and cheer.""

Oh, wow.  Talk about a total misunderstanding about why the Canteen exists.  It is there for the owner(s) to make money.  That is their job.  It is not a non-profit designed to make you and your ilk happy.  If you want to have an eatery to stay open year round when there is not enough business to pay for it, then start it yourself.  SKIP (thank the lord) is  great non-profit place to get meals prepared by someone else. (if for some reason you can't prepare them yourself).

7:00 pm est 

If You Don't Like it Here, Leave!

 

If you are a second homeowner and do not like what OUR elected BOS did for the year-round residents who pay an unfair share of the tax burden for services, please, please, sell your second home and go somewhere that will accept your whining and badmouth.
Who cares how you feel about our town? This is where we live and contribute, this is where you come to play when the sun shines! There are plenty of other towns who would welcome you. We will NOT miss your constant moaning about how badly you are treated, as you withhold support for the community that serves you. How inane of you! If you don't like it here, LEAVE. Your spot will be taken promptly. Provincetown has never had a problem attracting residents, we won't start because you can't afford a couple hundred dollars. Keep moving!

6:59 pm est 

Is There Anything of Interest in the Posted Town Budget?

Just wondering if there are any items that need closer examination or any departmental expense that raises any questions. I'd appreciate some information from those who have examined our budget closely. Thanks.
6:56 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

RESIDENTIAL EXCEPTIONS-DYSFUNCTIONAL RESIDENTS

I just can believe the drug dealers and sociopaths on face book and the people who consider them their friends.

Don't any of you look below the surface? The meth pipe found in my house the calls to the police and still this person gets touted about as though he is a model citizen.

This town is warped. You rich folks who are one of the workers in this town don't see the every day machinations. You hear the pitiful cry about housing--you don't see the back stabbing of people who have tried to help other people out.

There are people now held up as golden folks because they have passed on--yet their made life a living hell for others in this town.

And there is still a guy here who should be in jail..It makes me cringe to go out and about in this town because of what I had experienced from people who owe money everywhere and are banned from guest houses etc and yet still have sympathetic friends.

The police say that they have to catch the guy in the act. meanwhile, propane tanks get stolen regularly as they are used in meth production or something illegal etc etc.

This place is loserville in the winter in some quarters--not in the established old neighborhoods of year round solid workers ..but look out for the others..

6:54 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Has he actually purchased a house or is he renting?  Anyone know? I would advise he rent for a while to make sure things pan out for him before throwing serious money at a forever home."

No he has not bought a home and is currently renting.  He has said that real estate in town is too expensive and did not own a home prior to moving to Provincetown.
BOS Residential Exemption

6:51 pm est 

Re: Holiday Market

 

"It's gonna be a long cold winter here in Provincetown and there's slim pickins for places to eat. No wonder so many people frequent the soup kitchen. THERE'S a place that is really committed to community."

Does your home come with a kitchen?  Mine does and I use it all the time.  SKIP really is a great asset to town.  I wonder how much of their budget comes from partimers and what percent of the guests are people who post the hate of partimers?  Interesting.

6:47 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

PROVINCETOWN YEAR ROUND POPULATION REALITY CHECK

I have had housemates for years. Every year I get a message on my answering machine from a collections agency about former housemates.

I get letters from the Unemployment office. I accidentally opened in all of the Christmas mail that I was receiving and low and behold a former housemate owes them $7,000.00.

I see people in town who owe me rent money from years past and other people. There are guest houses that no longer will have winter tenants.

You can fill this page with the split tax bill--it is of little consequence in the long run because this town is so focused on year round housing for people who shouldn't be living here working part time. It just WONT WORK.

Former housemates and tenants: so many are in collections. Wake up POWERS THAT BE--without year round income you aren't going to get quality year round people..And the people who do live here year round working part time have under the table jobs while collecting or living in subsidized housing.

There are people who hide their income. GOOD LUCK TO THE YEAR ROUND PROVINCETOWN AS THE TOWN CLOSES IT BUSINESSES FOR THE WINTER ALL AROUND US. PROVINCETOWN YEAR ROUND POPULATION REALITY CHECK

6:46 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"And threatening to withdraw support for worthy causes is not in the spirit of Provincetown--maybe your second home should be somewhere else..."

Disagree on two counts. First creating two classes of taxpayers is definitely NOT in the spirit of Provincetown.  Secondly, not all partime residents are "second" homeowners.  Many rent their primary domicile for reasons that are of no concern to the debate here.

Remember, giving to charity is a voluntary action.  Being forced to pay unfair taxes is coercion and the result of bullying. 

People are free to own property where they can afford.  They are free to donate to charity as they choose.  They should be free from predatory unfair taxes as well.  But, not here.

6:41 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Now that "second home owners" will be paying at a higher tax rate they should lobby to be eligible for stickers parking passes without the excise tax requirement...these extra "fees" are building up...the resentment is too.

6:36 pm est 

Re: Holiday Market

 

"Yeah, and now that there's no more money to be made and the tourists are all gone, so is the canteen"

Absolutely.  Let's thank the real restaurant hero's of this town that stay open all winter for us - Fanizzi's, Napi's and the Mews. (and any others I may forget)

Thank you for being open all year round when the $$$ and tourists are gone.

6:34 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"And threatening to withdraw support for worthy causes is not in the spirit of Provincetown"

And neither was the BOS decision to single out one group and make them pay higher taxes.

The "spirit" of Provincetown has been radically changed by this BOS decision - It is what it is

Stop blaming people for feeling how they feel when they have been singled out to be treated differently.  If you want to blame someone - blame the BOS !  Property owners are simply reacting to their action.

Being treated DIFFERENTLY has NEVER been the spirit of Provincetown. 

So it appears this "spirit" you refer to - has been ever changed by the actions of the BOS !!!

6:32 pm est 

Tuesday, January 5, 2016

Re: Holiday Market

 

"I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned the Canteen's Holiday market that was a great success and sparked a feeling of goodwill and cheer"


Yeah, and now that there's no more money to be made and the tourists are all gone, so is the canteen. So much for community and "goodwill and cheer." It's gonna be a long cold winter here in Provincetown and there's slim pickins for places to eat. No wonder so many people frequent the soup kitchen. THERE'S a place that is really committed to community.

10:05 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

When we owned a condo in Provincetown, it was not our primary residence, therefore it was understood that we couldn't vote and there was no second homeowner's association. Then we moved to Provincetown full-time and were part of the community and got a say in how things were run. We also volunteered and gave to worthy causes without strings attached (still do!). We have since moved from Provincetown. The point is, you need to be a RESIDENT in order to vote, not a second homeowner. And threatening to withdraw support for worthy causes is not in the spirit of Provincetown--maybe your second home should be somewhere else...

8:12 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Wow. What a hornets nest. Look at all the Facebook groups going CRAZY over the BOS and the Panagore's push to tax the second homeowners higher than the locals! My God, what was Panagore thinking? Doesn't he want to stick around for more than a year? Has he actually purchased a house or is he renting?  Anyone know? I would advise he rent for a while to make sure things pan out for him before throwing serious money at a forever home. The town is in a tizzy.

8:10 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
"WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?"

The people considering withholding their charitable contributions aren't "punishing" anyone or anything. They aren't taking away anything but differently, they aren't giving, totally different than punishing. The punishment and lack of monies to charities is the fault of the BOS. They created this mess and they are the only ones that can get it fixed. They won't do anything, thinking they know better as the so called "leaders" of the community but once the hurt is real and some charities cease to exist, that's when they might think twice but by then, the damage will have been done. For me, the money I will withhold will be the exact amount the town will now require from me through property taxes.
That's the way it goes.
8:09 pm est 

Note to the BOS:

What's the talk about town? Here's the upchuck (POV) on your recent MUCK missive:

Mission: raise revenue (perhaps a two-tiered tax base, fashioned after the Brits: today this is known as "rape and pillage")

Upside: no one will notice (fingers crossed)

Concerns: some "non residents" might object; ignore them (they aren't here all the time anyway; simply a funding source and an occassional nuisance)

Kick the ball: pretend this is a way of balancing the budget; nothing more

Congrats on getting noticed. Regrets on approach. You will be remembered as the BOS that implemented a two-tiered property tax (talk about discriminatory action), mucking the community, and most of all, setting the tone for the 2020 celebration.
8:07 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

As a resident, I was told that because of the assessed value of my home(around 900k) I could expect at least a $600 increase in taxes. This was by exrtapolating what was quoted in the Banner article. I feel I contribute to our community by staying here all winter and year....why wouldn't this help the town so that I would not receive that or any increase?

8:05 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
"...Should not be a legal problem for our association to have full time residents pay their "fair share".

I hope your condo association is able to make a change in your fees to cover additional costs for them to live here all year long.  If your documents do not allow for it, maybe there is a way to charge individual owners for services / facilities used.  For example snow removal, trash pick-up, electrical, septic and water.  Provide a credit to the owners for months that these services are not used and pass those costs along to the owners that are here all winter.  Something should be done to address the situation that the BOS has placed us in and Part Time residents need to look at options that they can control.
8:03 pm est 

Re: Residential Tax Exemption
 

"Maybe I am an idealistic fool but I pray that people will figure out a way to deal with these issues without withdrawing the assistance that is so desperately needed for many people in this town to survive."

There is a very easy and fair way to resolve this issue.  The BOS acknowledges that the Residential Tax Exemption was a very bad idea and it should not be implemented.  This tax change is very short sighted and has divided our community.  I am registered and qualify as a full time resident and I do not think the Residential Tax Exemption is fair.  I would have not been pleased if the BOS had established a different tax structured that had me pay more than my neighbor.  The damage that this ruling has already done will take years to repair and I fear the financial impact will be considerable if the BOS does not reconsider.
8:02 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I can't imagine punishing our charities because because you feel slighted by the new tax structure.  I'm sure one of you will rip me apart for just saying this, because that's what seems to be guiding so many of you in recent weeks.  You would be right when you tell me I can't understand how it may hurt you financially or that it is an unfair burden on an already expensive lifestyle.  I got it. But seriously, punishing those causes which partially make Provincetown what it is and has always been?"

Excellent heartfelt post, but it does not offer an answer.  How about a suggestion to correct this unfair sitation that we have imposed on our neighbors because they can't do anything about it legally.  No vote, no power.

So what is an answer?  Just let the bullys continue to bully?  or, use whatever leverage they have to influence enough power people to push back on the BOS?  Over the weekend several of my partime neighbors told me that they don't want to hurt anyone but can't think of an alternate.  So if we don't want to see our town further divided and our charities be pawns in this debate, the BOS can correct the situation.  call or email them.  Their email addresses are on the town website.

2:27 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I checked our condo documents and the majority can change the fee structure and also charge special assessments.  Should not be a legal problem for our association to have full time residents pay their "fair share".

What a bunch of bull.  Mass Law determines how condo fees are allocated.  They are allocated by the % common interest each unit is assigned in their deed and the master deed as well.  Sure you can charge special assessments for improvements to common areas or even against an owner for repairs made to their unit.  You can not however alter the % common interest or charge a special assessment out of spite.

You say your condo is different?  I say prove it.  Post the document # for your association here. All condo docs are public records readily available for review on the Barnstable County registry of deeds website.  Once you post the doc # we can all see for ourselves.  Put up or shut up and stop spreading misinformation, fear and divisiveness.

11:45 am est 

Re: Town Hall Open House

 

"Does the town manager represent ALL tax payers / residents in town or just the individuals who vote? "

The TM is not elected to represent anybody.  The manager is an employee of the town and his/her major job is to execute policy made by the BOS. For the complete job description go to the town website and read the the town charter.  Then you won't be guessing or relying on what may be uninformed opinions of posters here. 

10:17 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"What? what does this mean? how about people that rent here and own homes in other states? do they have separate rights?"

Obvious meaning.  Not all partimers are second homeowners.  Some posters here use the phrase second homeowners as a pejorative.  Not all partimers are second homeowners and not all have a lot of money and are greedy and mean spirited. 

10:14 am est 

Re: Holiday Market

 

Did the people that put up makeshift sheds at the Canteen Holiday market get permits to put those up? Are they permanent or temporary?  just curious if the system is being circumvented?

10:11 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

As a year-round resident who rents in town and lives here 12 months per year, I have been wondering alot lately just why people moved here to begin with.  For me, it has always been a safe haven and a place where I have always felt at home, from the second I rounded that curve on Route 6 and could see the Monument and town in the distance.  I have always felt welcomed, whatever that means to those of you reading this.  I've never been in a financial position to purchase a condo/home because my career was not one that payed the big bucks.  I am aware of the anger that people feel with the new tax issues, but it kills me every time I read how many 2nd home owners are stating that they will pull their financial support from local charities who desperately rely on that support from others to survive.  Personally I have volunteered for the AIDS Support Group, Helping Our Women, The Soup Kitchen, Ruthie's, The Methodist Church Thrift Shop and a few others. I give my time because t!
hat's what we do here, those of us who call Provincetown home.  I can't imagine punishing our charities because because you feel slighted by the new tax structure.  I'm sure one of you will rip me apart for just saying this, because that's what seems to be guiding so many of you in recent weeks.  You would be right when you tell me I can't understand how it may hurt you financially or that it is an unfair burden on an already expensive lifestyle.  I got it. But seriously, punishing those causes which partially make Provincetown what it is and has always been?  That's the answer?  Having just read the comment by the person who bought groceries in another town and cooked at home and didn't shop in town this weekend, WHY did you buy here in the first place? Maybe I am an idealistic fool but I pray that people will figure out a way to deal with these issues without withdrawing the assistance that is so desperately needed for many people in this town to survive. 

10:10 am est 

Monday, January 4, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Well, Dam, You Are Posting Away

Well, it does go on and there are many with many views. Wow! OK, I'll continue to read and maybe learn.

10:47 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption
 
"Mass law 183A section 5 (b)(1) says:"

The entire premise isn't even logical. Owners who RENT their units by the week are the ones that cause the most "wear and tear" on any complex. Year-round residents tend to take very good care of their properties. Weekly renters? Not so much. I have a neighbor in my association who has severely cut down on the number of times she rents because something is always broken or stolen. Now she's just renting to referrals or people she knows. Also year round residents do NOT use as much resources as summer people. All you have to do is go and read the water reports to see that. The entire water and sewer is built to accommodate ONE weekend: the fourth of July. When do we need the most cops? Trash services? Street cleaning? The summer. So think again about that. The cost of the summer is what drives everything in this town. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.
10:46 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"How about people who own only one home that happens to be in town and they rent elsewhere?  Does that count on having any rights?"


What? what does this mean? how about people that rent here and own homes in other states? do they have separate rights?

10:43 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Mass law 183A section 5 (b)(1) says:

"The percentage of the undivided interest of each unit owner in the common areas and facilities as expressed in the master deed shall not be altered without the consent of all unit owners whose percentage of the undivided interest is materially affected..."

So you are in fact wrong!  The only way to change the percent interest in common is for EVERYONE affected to agree. "


Talk  about shooting oneself in the foot.  Please read what you posted.  It does not say "In common" it says "in the common areas and facilities".  Totally different legally and linguistically.

Now maybe there are other laws or sections of this law that make your point, but not what you have quoted here. 

10:41 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Open House
  
Does that count on having any rights?  The new TM is a very decent guy and is not petty like you portray him to be.

Does the town manager represent ALL tax payers / residents in town or just the individuals who vote?
10:36 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"If the trustees of your association are charging fees in any other way, get a lawyer and sue for breach of fiduciary duty"

"M.G.L 183A which governs all condos in the state of Massachusetts clearly states that any governing documents may be changed when 66 and two thirds of owners agree.  This would include the condo fee structure."


I checked our condo documents and the majority can change the fee structure and also charge special assessments.  Should not be a legal problem for our association to have full time residents pay their "fair share".  I suggest other owners in associations check their documents to see what is allowed under their circumstances.
10:35 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

The process to change beneficial interest in a condominium association which governs each unit's ownership in the common property (based on initial value of units when initially offered for sale and not based on unit square footage as commonly assumed)is not an easy process.

The beneficial percent interest determines the percentage which each unit owner will contribute to the annual operating budget of the condominium association to ensure a financially viable association.

FIRST STEP

In accordance with Mass Law 183A, the Condominium Trust document specifies the requirement to amend beneficial percent ownership, typically requiring 75% approval of all unit owners.

SECOND STEP

This is the more difficult step because any change in a unit's beneficial percent requires each lender to approve  the change which is a stated condition of the mortgage. This is a very difficult and lengthy process and not always successful.

I think there is confusion with the concept of beneficial percent interest based on the above stated Mass law versus the concept of the normal operating expenses.

The Condominium Association is required to develop and approve an annual operating budget.

If it can be demonstrated that certain services provided to year round owners (trash removal, common water, common heat, etc.) is higher, than a methodology for creating a differential would have to be established.

Because 85% of most condominium association budgets are typically comprised of insurance and other fixed costs (10% operating reserve), I doubt whether the remaining dollars to be differentiated would be that great and would only add to the divisiveness.

8:41 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Hang in there second home owners, these posts from this sad, pathetic person will end, just don't respond and he or she will go back to the Beacon.

8:37 pm est 

Holiday Market

I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned the Canteen's Holiday market that was a great success and sparked a feeling of goodwill and cheer throughout the town in December and over the New Year's weekend. It was produced and run almost entirely by young, full-time residents and entrepreneurs who were nevertheless able to capture the feeling and spirit of "old" Provincetown. It felt so wonderful to be reminded of the "good old days" of our little village during the holiday season this year. Shouldn't we be asking ourselves how to support these young people and encourage more economic, cultural and social activities like the one they just put on, and so many towns people enjoyed? (Or should we thank all of its success on the weather too?)
8:36 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Open House

 

"This was kept on the down low on purpose.  The new town manager did not want a lot of second home owners attending and challenging him on the new tax structure.  From what I understand, we didn't miss anything."

What a constant barrage of BS.  How about people who own only one home that happens to be in town and they rent elsewhere?  Does that count on having any rights?  The new TM is a very decent guy and is not petty like you portray him to be.

By the way the TM is not a voting member of the BOS.  He would not have to defend it at all, merely tell any inquirers to discuss it with the BOS. 

So when will we get another load of BS disguised as truth?   

3:45 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"This is the kind of petty, selfish, and downright nasty behavior that one would see in high school, and shows what a miserable person you are."

Not really.  Purely a normal human reaction to unfair aggression on the part of the BOS supported by a few who think the world has treated them unfairly. If someone tried to take your money out of your wallet, would you protest and defend yourself.  Even if the person taking the money was destitute you would protest and not give it up.  Now if the destitute person politely asked for some monetary help you would say yes or no based on whatever values you placed on the situation. My partime neighbor owes me nothing except for normal neighborly courtesy. What right do I have to insist that he contribute to my financial welfare?  none that I can think of.  

3:39 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

With regard to confo fees, think about what you are saying.  There are many small condos in town made up of two three or four units.  Do you really believe 2 out of the 3 can vote to have the 3rd pay all the common expenses.  They can't.  That's why all affected units must agree in order to change the way fees are aportioned. It's the law.  If it could be done your way. Don't you think some greedy people would have done it already?

3:34 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I did not spend one red cent in town."

Yeah, we'll see how long that lasts. Can you imagine half timers coming down for a summer weekend and refusing the chance to shake their axxxs at T Dance? Or turning down a lovely night at Victor's, or brunch on a Sunday morning before the long drive home? No, they'll be trucking in food supplies (don't forget anything or you'll have to go without!),booze, and slave away in the kitchen after a long day at Herring Cove. Oh. And then the dishes. So much for suffering over a measly $250 bucks.

3:31 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Mass law 183A section 5 (b)(1) says:

"The percentage of the undivided interest of each unit owner in the common areas and facilities as expressed in the master deed shall not be altered without the consent of all unit owners whose percentage of the undivided interest is materially affected..."

So you are in fact wrong!  The only way to change the percent interest in common is for EVERYONE affected to agree.

There are a couple ways it can change without 100% aproval such as when the master deed allows for adding units at a later date, but that would have to already be in the master deed at the time of the recording and conveyance of the unit deed would constitute agreement to that change.

If you want to know more, contact an attorney.  I'm not an attorney but i can assure you changing the percent common interest for SPITE is not one of the exceptions.

So if your condo fees are not being set in accordance with mass law my previous statement stands.  Contact a lawyer and sue for breach of fiduciary duty.  It's one of the few things for which trustees can be held personally liable.

If you are a trustee and are thinking of a spite ammendment to your  master deed, you better get some legal advice first.

in closing, let me say i believe the original post claiming a trustee told a resident owner this plan was nothing more than a made up story intended to spread misinformation and fear.  I only responded because i felt acurate information would put people's fears to rest.

3:29 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"..  her condo association is considering increasing condo fees for anyone who claims 'yearround' status since there is more wear and tear on the property caused by them.  They can use the credit from their residential exemption to cover the increased condo fee."

I think raising the condo fees for 'yearround' residents is a great idea!  We only have one in our association with a total of 8 units.  They are out numbered and a increase only seems fair since they are getting a tax break that the rest of us are not.  Thanks for passing along.  All associations should consider this as a solution.
3:26 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Fireworks

 

"Why can't the 4th of July fireworks be shot from the pier? Add the barge rental to the cost of the show. Not rocket science" 

Unless you consider the fireworks to be "rockets". Why not ask someone in charge of the fireworks or Rex or Joe.  This may be a public safety issue.  DOn't expect an informed response here.  It is very hard to come up with a unique idea, so don't think that you have (but, then, you might)   

3:12 pm est 

Re: Congratulations to the BOS and the New TM



"As a Part Time Resident, I demonstrated how I felt about the job they are doing.  I did not spend one red cent in town.  I had friends over for dinner two nights with groceries I bought off Cape.  We took a walk on the beach and took a stroll in town, but did not buy a thing.  In the past we would have gone out to dinner both nights and taken advantage of the clearance sales in the stores.  Not now.  Looks like I will end up saving even more money that this Residential Tax Exemption is going to cost me.  Too bad I already made my contributions to the Theatre Company, Library, Soup Kitchen and Police Association this year.  That will be a big savings next year for me.  Let the people that receive the tax exemption make up the difference.  After all, they benefit more from these organizations than I do."
 

This is the kind of petty, selfish, and downright nasty behavior that one would see in high school, and shows what a miserable person you are.  Brought down to nickels and dimes, this exemption will MAYBE cost YOU about $250 a YEAR...this same exemption will save homeowners like us about $40 a year.  We get no net benefit because our condo association raised fees by $15 a MONTH.  Even without the increase, that crummy $40 a year won't allow US to go out to dinner ONE time and throw money around like big shots.  We don't "benefit" from any of the nonprofits, either.  By the way, if you can afford to pay for a home worth $650K, you likely won't even feel that $250.  You're just being spiteful, which is the real poison killing this town.  Go ahead, scream in temper tantrums, threaten and blackmail to get your way, be a nasty and act oppressed all you want.  You'll learn, as those of us who struggle already know, NOBODY CARES. Cry-baby all you want; we're "moving on up!" by bailing out of this now pseudo-community.

3:03 pm est 

3:01 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"If the trustees of your association are charging fees in any other way, get a lawyer and sue for breach of fiduciary duty" 

 

M.G.L 183A which governs all condos in the state of Massachusetts clearly states that any governing documents may be changed when 66 and two thirds of owners agree.  This would include the condo fee structure.

2:19 pm est 

Town Hall Open House

"..like Open House at town Hall. Few hardly knew what is was and why it was."

This was kept on the down low on purpose.  The new town manager did not want a lot of second home owners attending and challenging him on the new tax structure.  From what I understand, we didn't miss anything.
2:17 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"But I say go ahead! PLEASE take your precious money and spend it elsewhere. And don't let the door hit you in the ass."

Make no mistake, this is the way many full time residents feel about part-time owners. You are ONLY good for the money you pay in town taxes and the TM and BOS feels the same way.  No since trying to change things, because it is not going to happen!
2:14 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"If the trustees of your association are charging fees in any other way, get a lawyer and sue for breach of fiduciary duty"

Yah, but.  If we can make up reasons to charge them more why can't they make up reasons to charge us more?  Seems fair.

Actually I rent so it doesn't really apply but still. 

2:11 pm est 

Re: Serious Observations and Advice

 

Whoever wrote the post ending in: "Let's now move forward with the new NEW MOMENTUM we have captured!", it's too bad that it's anonymous.
Its thoughtfulness, tone, and substance were, in my humble opinion, exemplary.

Every so often, civility does creep up in social media, after all.  Thanks for posting, whoever you are!

2:08 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Threatening people in the town the way they have been? Screaming "community" until you find out they only care about their own greedy pockets?"

Ok, I guess I heard it all wrong.  I thought that we raised the taxes on the partime folks.  That sounds like we are the greedy ones that are lining our pockets at their expense.  So, I guess that we took a increase in taxes so that our part time neighbors would get a break.

11:16 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Fireworks

 

Why can't the 4th of July fireworks be shot from the pier? Add the barge rental to the cost of the show. Not rocket science

11:12 pm est 

Provincetown Fireworks

 

The fireworks Were Great and Much Fun

I am so glad we had fireworks. they were wonderful. If we do this next year--and I hope we do--let's get the marketing done more successfully. no waiting until a few weeks before to market, truly market the event. then be clear what an event is: like Open House at town Hall. Few hardly knew what is was and why it was.

11:10 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Just read the post from a "yearrounder" who spends 5 months in florida.  (priceless all by itself) It seems her condo association is considering increasing condo fees for anyone who claims 'yearround' status since there is more wear and tear on the property caused by them.  They can use the credit from their residential exemption to cover the increased condo fee.  What a great idea.  I urge all condo associations to to the same.  We keep hearing 2600 people supposedly reside in Provincetown year round.  Please we all know that number is 600.  Where are the other 2000 people who will benefit from the residential exemption.  Perhaps the BOS and the new town manager might like to address that issue.

11:08 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"I just heard yesterday from one of the trustees from my condominium association that they plan on proposing an increase for only owners who declare year round residency and receive a tax exemption from the town."


Puhleese spare us the histrionics.  Condo fees for common expenses are determined by mass law and your condo docs.  Fees must be assessed in accordance with the percentage common interest each unit is assigned in their deed.  Your trustees can't change that percentage unless every single owner agrees.
Period, end of story.

In other words if you own 5% and your part time neighbor owns 5% no matter what, you each are responsible for 5% of the annual common expenses no matter what an ignorant trustee may propose.  If the trustees of your association are charging fees in any other way, get a lawyer and sue for breach of fiduciary duty

11:06 pm est 

Sunday, January 3, 2016

Serious Observations and Advice

 

Before the BOS and new TM and PBG start taking credit for the successful New Year's Weekend, let's recognize the EXTERNAL FACTORS which predominantly made it a great weekend.

CALENDAR CYCLE

New Year's Eve was on Thursday, creating a 3-4 night weekend for many. Ask any long term business owner the difference of new year's on Tuesday or Wednesday versus Friday or Monday and success is in the air.

WEATHER

Provincetown got lucky on two counts: no threat of snow storms (before, during or leaving) and the absence of snow in north country (our biggest winter competitor). Ask any long term business owner what happens to new year's eve when there is a snow storm threat. Also, if it's too cold but no snow but raining hard during winter, business suffers tremendously.

ECONOMIC CYCLE

Provincetown enjoys an affluent visitor who has disposable income and will travel and spend more when the economic cycle is on the upswing. We are on the upside of the curve. Ask any business owner what the downside of this curve looks like and it all tends to balance out over a period of time.

ON THE POSITIVE SIDE:

Even with the late start in planning and the declaration by the new TM for understated results (BTW, nobody can begin to predict visitation accurately due to the external factors beyond our control), credit should be given to the PBG, Chamber of Commerce and TM for the following additional components which ADDED VALUE to the weekend BUT WERE NOT THE DRIVERS FOR THE WEEKEND:

(1) FIREWORKS

A wonderful addition and extravaganza, but costly, which can only be effective for 3-4 night New Year's weekends.

ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES

Additional activities were programmed to keep everyone occupied. There's only so much shopping and dining you can do in Provincetown during the winter for 3-4 days before you look for other fun things to do during a holiday weekend. Visitors had options for new fun things to do.

WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM 2016 NEW YEAR'S WEEKEND:

(1) BOS AND TM and PBG AND CHAMBER

    First and foremost, thank the YEAR ROUND BUSINESSES who were open and contributed to the success of this weekend. WITHOUT THEM, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO WEEKEND. THEY ARE THE TRUE HEROES who now have to weather the true economic downturn of January-March in Provincetown and cushion their losses from the successful weekend which does not occur every year due to the calendar cycle.

(2) CONDUCT AN EVALUATION OF THE WEEKEND

    Bring business owners into the discussion and get their feedback to learn how to improve future new year's eves.
Start thinking of the WHAT IF'S: New Year's on Tuesday or Wednesday (anything special to attract tourists when we need them the most and it's harder to attract them here for a shorter stay); threat of snow storm (how to manage the threat proactively through crisis intervention); more program planning; better and more timely marketing (as an alternative to ski country), etc. The Tourism Office, PBG and Chamber should be the leaders in this endeavor with the TM to demonstrate a new strategic approach to economic development in Provincetown. What is the role of the Economic Development Council and VSB in this endeavor? Encourage grant funding for new ideas.

(3) BEGIN TO TACKLE THE TOUGH PROBLEM

    New Year's is a good starting point for economic development because it is a recognized holiday and has a foundation in Provincetown. What about January through April when we need it the most? Are there similar opportunities for Martin Luther King Day or President's Weekend or Valentine's Day or the start of spring or whale watching or school vacation in February or April---whatever which can be expanded upon or newly developed?

Let's now move forward with the new NEW MOMENTUM we have captured!
 

5:45 pm est 

Re: Congratulations to the BOS and the New TM
 
"Did you feel the energy in town yesterday? Congratulations to the BOS and the new TM?"

As a Part Time Resident, I demonstrated how I felt about the job they are doing.  I did not spend one red cent in town.  I had friends over for dinner two nights with groceries I bought off Cape.  We took a walk on the beach and took a stroll in town, but did not buy a thing.  In the past we would have gone out to dinner both nights and taken advantage of the clearance sales in the stores.  Not now.  Looks like I will end up saving even more money that this Residential Tax Exemption is going to cost me.  Too bad I already made my contributions to the Theatre Company, Library, Soup Kitchen and Police Association this year.  That will be a big savings next year for me.  Let the people that receive the tax exemption make up the difference.  After all, they benefit more from these organizations than I do.
5:39 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

I just heard yesterday from one of the trustees from my condominium association that they plan on proposing an increase for only owners who declare year round residency and receive a tax exemption from the town.  She said that we use more of the services and cause more wear and tear on the property, so we should be required to pay more!  This will probably pass because we are outnumbered 10 to 2.  We do declare residency, but are in FL for five months, so why should we be penalized.  We really dont live here the whole year!  They are penalizing us because of the Residential Exemption!  Is this fair?  What can we do?  I feel like they have control because we are outnumbered.
5:36 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden Backed by Part-time Homeowners Association?
 

"Our nice little town with the reputation of diversity and acceptance gets a slight black eye when opinions such as this get out there.  Talk about inability to live and let live.  Talk about mean spirited narrow mindedness."

Wow! Another la-la land member. Talk about a shrew! Every once in awhile we, obviously, have to remind everyone that we didn't have a "nice little town" when documents and emails were spewing out of Town Hall to this woman and these people were colluding to rewrite the charter to include second homeowners on boards etc. How soon we forget (it was less than 2 years ago). Now they're out there trying to re-form this committee to do the same things. How does everyone feel about it now? Can you imagine these people on our town committee? Threatening people in the town the way they have been? Screaming "community" until you find out they only care about their own greedy pockets? We need to remember what happened to keep it from happening again. Remember the people involved so when you see them again, you know what they're still up to.
5:34 pm est 

Re: Safe Ride Notice

 

I just noticed that Raphael R.  Needed to include his name on the safe ride notice.  Why?  For the same reason that he is on the BOS.  Publicity for his persona and business.  Phony to the core.  Reminds me of all the signs on public property that say "charlie Baker Governor. (or the name of the mayor  etc)No need for his name at all if it were really a public service and not part of an ongoing political campaign.

5:33 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"There is a growing number of small businesses that want to thank you for supporting us. We will be offering you folks substantial discounts Jan-Mar this year to show our appreciation. Please know that we need and appreciate you."

This is complete, utter bull. Just another attempt to stir the pot and perpetuate the hostile dialog. It's nothing more than online "trolling." I would LOVE to know the names of some of the businesses who are offering "substantial discounts" to second home owners. Seriously, make yourselves known so people can take advantage of these wonderful discounts!

I'm certain though, that no local businesses will come forward and announce that they're offering such discounts. Because it's a total fabrication. Just like the second home owners anonymously threatening on this blog to stop supporting local businesses and charities. Not happening. Never will.

But I say go ahead! PLEASE take your precious money and spend it elsewhere. And don't let the door hit you in the ass.

5:30 pm est 

Saturday, January 2, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"The residential exemption will provide less than a $1,000 benefit, while I'm not rich that isn't going to make a difference in whether or not I can afford to live here."

The fact is as stated.  My guess is that most of the folks who have real trouble with affording a place to live here are looking for apartments not their own real estate. 

3:22 pm est 

Re: Congratulations to the BOS and the New TM

 

"You congratulate the Shopping in town to the BOs?

Really? It's New Year's and people always come here. Maybe you are thanking the wrong people. A little re-thinking would help, my poor friend."

no, this is simply a very transparent political statement of approval of the BOS buffoons in their ill-fated move that divided the town even more.

3:20 pm est 

Re: Congratulations to the BOS and the New TM

 

"Did you feel the energy in town yesterday? Congratulations to the BOS and the new TM.?

 

You congratulate the Shopping in town to the BOs?

Really? It's New Year's and people always come here. Maybe you are thanking the wrong people. A little re-thinking would help, my poor friend.

2:33 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

I was one of the two business owners quoted in the 12/24 Banner article.  I said it in passing to Peter Brown so he may have misunderstood me.

What I actually said is that as a resident the impact of the residential exemption is too minimal to make any real difference to me so I'm not sure it is worth all the division it will cause.  End of quote to Peter

The residential exemption will provide less than a $1,000 benefit, while I'm not rich that isn't going to make a difference in whether or not I can afford to live here.

10:55 am est 

Dear Second Home Owners

There is a growing number of small businesses that want to thank you for supporting us. We will be offering you folks substantial discounts Jan-Mar this year to show our appreciation. Please know that we need and appreciate you.
10:53 am est 

Congratulations to the BOS and the New TM

 

Did you feel the energy in town yesterday? Congratulations to the BOS and the new TM. Now that the Board of Selectmen has a Captain of their ship, good things are getting done. People all over town carrying shopping bags, eating at our restaurants and just enjoying Provincetown on New Years Day. No one complaining about taxes, just having a good time!   Bravo guys and gal, keep it coming! 2016 will be the year of change.  

10:52 am est 

Friday, January 1, 2016

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

If you value your South End parking space more than you value your right to vote here, that too is a choice.

9:24 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden Backed by Part-time Homeowners Association?

 

"Since the PPTRA (Candace Nagle's parting gift to Provincetown after she was run out on a rail) has pushed every wrong button in this town so far (just like Ms Nagle did) Louise would be a total fool to be aligned with that group in any way. As someone who lives in town, I can tell you that I have not heard ONE negative comment from anyone here (including most second homeowners) about the Resident Exemption. These loudmouths are just upset because they're rich and spoiled and are used to tossing money around and getting their own way. They just hit a wall and are threatening to take their toys and go home. They're NOT "part of the community" and will never be. Frankly I wish they'd follow through and sell. Perhaps they can pull this crap in Truro, but it won't work here. And anything that even touches second homeowners (including the push from certain Charter people to allow them on committees) is dead, dead, dead for years to come after this PR fiasco. I'm surpris!
ed at Louise. I thought she was smarter than this if it's true. And I bet we have another record turnout of locals at Spring Town Meeting as well, ensuring anything, or       , supporting these people is killed."


Our nice little town with the reputation of diversity and acceptance gets a slight black eye when opinions such as this get out there.  Talk about inability to live and let live.  Talk about mean spirited narrow mindedness.  I too live here and this weekend when lots of our fellow taxpayers come to visit I heard plenty of talk about the unfairness of the BOS.  Candace had nothing to do with this decision to cause such divisiveness.  It is all in the minds of what appears to be a few dopes. 

9:12 pm est 

And so We Start the Year With Louise Venden?

 

It's a Scary Thing

Really/ We are talking about this woman who is more than problematic. she is out of her mind. Now she is running for BOS seat? she is? this more than nuts. She is the last person we would want  making decisions for us.

Oh, brother. things have gotten out of hand.

9:06 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

If you choose to live in Provincetown all year, a town that offers very little in the way of year round employment, that is your choice. It does not make you a martyr, victim or hero. If your affordable housing, welfare and/or unemployment doesn't cover your living expenses you are free to live somewhere else where you can earn a decent living. It is your choice. No apologies or sympathy here.

9:04 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

Yes, yes, yes I am also a yearounder and I love you second homeowners also.  I work in the service industry and I see what you contribute to this town AND to my paycheck.  The ridiculous negative postings against you do not represent the view of most here.

9:02 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"When you own a couple of multi-million dollar properties, and start threatening charities and local business, the karma is swift and clear."

When WHO owns a couple of multi-million dollar homes?  Are these your friends in reality or your constant fantasies?  Tell us more about these lucky folks and the karma that is so swift and clear(  did windex do it)  We really need to know more about this.  Sort of how we need to know more about the Kardashians.

9:00 pm est 

Re: Personal Comment

 

"As a second homeowner I will propose trimming DPW management at town meeting."

Why? what is the problem with DPW?  Are you registered to vote here?

2:41 pm est 

Re: Louise Venden Backed by Part-time Homeowners Association?

 

"I heard a rumor from a very good source today that Louise Venden, co-chair of Fincom, is going to run for the BOS, with the backing and participation of the PPTRA, Part-time homeowners association.

The part time homeowners are officially organizing to attempt a hostile takeover of the voting process, and subvert the vote of full-time members of the community.

I sincerely believe the voting public in Provincetown are smart enough to see through the underhanded tactics of the poor little rich people using a power hungry, attention seeking, and self-serving woman to do their dirty work from within.

Louise Venden should seriously think about this political error in judgement she is about to make."


Rumor? no.  Made up BS? yes.

SO they are "officially" staging a plot.  How how do they do that "officially"?  Nasty. bordering on evil people try to lie and demonize like this post .  Fortunately the tactic is so transparent.  

2:39 pm est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

"Let me make sure I have this right. Town is going to hire, at some yet to be determined salary, a compliance officer to enforce a revenue neutral by-law?? Brilliant! And the Town budget grows a little more. Spend spend spend!"

You don't have it right. Not by a long shot. I spoke to someone and all it takes is about 100 fines/new licenses each year to more than pay for the position (new fees and fines also coming), so it's self-funding. What this means, however, is the free ride for renting property is going to be coming to a close in this town. It's also going to mean that anyone trying to skirt the system for exemptions etc will be ferreted out by someone whose job is to make sure they find people like this. What it will also do is set up the system for when the legislature enacts the short-term rental tax. So the days of lax enforcement will finally also be over. You can thank the loud second homeowners for all these actions and the wide support they have. When you own a couple of multi-million dollar properties, and start threatening charities and local business, the karma is swift and clear.
11:46 am est 

Re: Louise Venden Backed by Part-time Homeowners Association?

 

"I heard a rumor from a very good source today that Louise Venden, co-chair of Fincom, is going to run for the BOS, with the backing and participation of the PPTRA, Part-time homeowners association."

Since the PPTRA (Candace Nagle's parting gift to Provincetown after she was run out on a rail) has pushed every wrong button in this town so far (just like Ms Nagle did) Louise would be a total fool to be aligned with that group in any way. As someone who lives in town, I can tell you that I have not heard ONE negative comment from anyone here (including most second homeowners) about the Resident Exemption. These loudmouths are just upset because they're rich and spoiled and are used to tossing money around and getting their own way. They just hit a wall and are threatening to take their toys and go home. They're NOT "part of the community" and will never be. Frankly I wish they'd follow through and sell. Perhaps they can pull this crap in Truro, but it won't work here. And anything that even touches second homeowners (including the push from certain Charter people to allow them on committees) is dead, dead, dead for years to come after this PR fiasco. I'm surprised at Louis!
e. I thought she was smarter than this if it's true. And I bet we have another record turnout of locals at Spring Town Meeting as well, ensuring anything, or       , supporting these people is killed.

11:38 am est 

Thank You Mypacc--You Make Life Interesting

I love all these posts. I love how some are so insightful, others so knowledgeable of this town, and others just plain bright. thanks and let's keep informing each other of the key issues affecting this--our--town. happy New Year to all who write and to those who read here as well. My best wishes.
10:26 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

The Word is out.

By now word of the mean spirited,divisive tax exemption has hit all around the country. Folks were texting and emailing me yesterday, asking how this could have happened?  You see a lot of us who own, but don't live here, cant afford to come all the time, we are busy making the money to pay the mortgage on our dream home in Provincetown. For many of us it is not our 2nd home, but we cant live here (not choose not to live here). What is happpenning in Provincetown is not unique. It is happening, and has happened in lots of vacation destinations. Please dont blame the changing times on folks who love Provincetown and have worked hard to try and be a part of it. This move to tax us higher is not the answer and is splitting the community in ugly ways. I want to be a part of the solution, but I am not THE solution, so please take back this hurtful move and help us problem solve as a community. I hate to see people say they will withhold giving, but guys wake up, they are hurt and angry and you did this!! What you expected we would just say great!

10:24 am est 

Re: The Marketing For First Light Is Problematic

 

Please, who organized this "event"? There is no unified message and if ads went out, it went outside here. How about providing the information for those of us who live here and want to celebrate here?

Didn't the new town manager take over this 'event' wanted the low hanging fruit or something like that..the first postcard very different from second post card. News flash fruit picker.. PBG is a joke-

8:30 am est 

Louise Venden Backed by Part-time Homeowners Association?

 

I heard a rumor from a very good source today that Louise Venden, co-chair of Fincom, is going to run for the BOS, with the backing and participation of the PPTRA, Part-time homeowners association.

The part time homeowners are officially organizing to attempt a hostile takeover of the voting process, and subvert the vote of full-time members of the community.

I sincerely believe the voting public in Provincetown are smart enough to see through the underhanded tactics of the poor little rich people using a power hungry, attention seeking, and self-serving woman to do their dirty work from within.

Louise Venden should seriously think about this political error in judgement she is about to make.

What say you, Louise Venden??

8:28 am est 

Personal Comment

 

As a second homeowner I will propose trimming DPW management at town meeting

8:23 am est 

Re: BOS Residential Exemption

 

"Rumor has it that the Town is hiring a compliance officer this year."

Let me make sure I have this right. Town is going to hire, at some yet to be determined salary, a compliance officer to enforce a revenue neutral by-law?? Brilliant! And the Town budget grows a little more. Spend spend spend!

8:21 am est 


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