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Monday, October 29, 2012

Re: New Street Sweepers

Re: "Well it is Monday 7AM,  some minor rain, gusts of wind, and low
and behold, the town sweeper is running up and down Bradford street at 25 MPH or
faster. . ."



I don't know the answer, but if I really wanted to know the answer I would call
the DPW dept and ask.  Why don't you give them a call?  We will all be waiting
on the edge of our seats to find out.
11:57 am edt 

Re: New Street Sweepers

"Now it is 8:15AM, and for the 3rd time I see the street cleaner making
another pass.   Not only is this a waist of gas, a waist of the new street
sweepers engine, . . ."



Waste vs Waist

Look it up.  Glad you have the time to 'waist' waiting for the street sweeper.
11:53 am edt 

Re: "Candace Nagle Should Be Censored"

"Her behavior is reprehensible. She is libelous, malicious and a rather
woman. It's sad to see but I believe she is off her      and now we are seeing
an uncontrolled and rather        woman.

Facts mean nothing to her. She is the Romney model: say anything and it must be
true since you are saying it. No, absolutley not. You are spewing nonsense."


What you are promoting here is nothing short of libel.  This is an anonymous
blog, yet anything that doesn't meet your guidelines of hatefulness is
attributed to Ms. Nagle.

While I don't know her personally, I have heard many
positive things about her from people I respect, and have seen evidence of her
dedication to the town and ability to accomplish difficult goals.  She advocated
for a dog park-- the finished product was ranked #1 in the nation.

Give her a break and spend some time looking at the real problems here, the
negative people who only seek to destroy.

11:38 am edt 

Re: Storm

Kudos to town gov for thorough storm prep including appropriate notifications
through many channels, pickup of trash and recycling containers, clearing harbor
through enouraging boat removal and just now sending street sweeper through to
keep storm drains open. Nice job folks.
11:32 am edt 

Re: Bikes and Bikers

Cyclists have a right to use the roadway even when a bicycle lane
exists.  See MGL, Ch 85, Sec 11B which states that: Every person operating a
bicycle upon a way, as defined in section one of chapter ninety, shall have the
right to use all public ways in the commonwealth except limited access or
express state highways  The existence of a bicycle lane does not change this.

Many cyclists ride in the road rather than the shared pedestrian/bicycle lanes
on Bradford St Extension due to the poor conditions that exist.  The designated
pedestrian/bicycle lanes on Bradford Extension are littered with potholes and
dangerous cracks making it difficult to use for cyclists.  Moreover, some areas,
like in front of the Meadows condominiums are so narrow due to encroaching brush
that it is difficult to navigate.  Also, there are many pedestrians using these
lanes meaning that cyclists must enter the roadway in order to safely pass
pedestrians.  Cyclists would use the designated bicycle lanes on Bradford
Extension if they were in good condition, like the ones on Moors Rd (where
cyclists do use the bike lanes).

Banning bicycles from Commercial Street is not a viable option.  Many people use
their bicycles to get to their place of work, go shopping, dining or to the bank
or post office.  It is better to have people using their bicycles than driving
their cars which results in less pollution, less car parking needed, more
exercise for the cyclist, etc.

Requiring registration of bicycles was done many years ago in Massachusetts but
it was dropped because it was not an efficient use of government resources.   Do
you really want to have Police Department personnel tied up with issuing number
plates for the thousands of bicycles in town?   We should be encouraging more
environmentally-friendly transportation modes like cycling, not taxing cyclists.

I am a town resident and I use my car and my bike to get around town all the
time.  There are times when driving my car that I have to slow down to make way
for pedestrians and cyclists.  Yes, it takes a little longer for me to get where
I am going, but in a town that is only a few miles from one end to the other, it
may only take me an extra minute or two to get to my destination.  No big deal. 
This is a small price to pay to live in a town where getting around on a
bicycles is the main transportation of many people.  We also deal with a heck of
a lot less traffic and delays than folks who live within 30 miles of Boston do. 
Slow down, breath the fresh air, share the road, co-exist with others and have a
nice day :)
11:29 am edt 

New Street Sweepers

Monday at 7AM

Want to know how the town is allocating our employees and resources on the eve
of a storm?

Well it is Monday 7AM,  some minor rain, gusts of wind, and low and behold, the
town sweeper is running up and down Bradford street at 25 MPH or faster.    Why?  
(Do not tell me they are blowing leaves away from the drains, as I saw them pass
over 2 drains and the leaves that were there are still there)

Now it is 8:15AM, and for the 3rd time I see the street cleaner making another
pass.   Not only is this a waist of gas, a waist of the new street sweepers
engine, that next year David G will be up at town meeting and will be asking or
telling us, that he needs more dollars for the repair of this sweeper.  This is
also  a waist of man power, that they probably could be using to prepare some of
our town buildings for the upcoming storm.
11:25 am edt 

Is it True?

Are we really putting up a play ground in what was 15 spaces at the parking lot
next to the high school?   That is over $10,000 a month in high season for those
spaces we lose!   That is a minimum.    Tell me this isn't true.
And if it is, where and when was it approved?   I need to see it in writting
from a town board or vote
11:22 am edt 

Grace Hall Parking Lot

Who granted permission to build a playground there and was there any sort of
public hearing on the proposal?   And who's paying for it? With 2 gyms, a
library and a very extensive playground already in place at Veterans Elementary
school it seems a foolish waste of money- and parking places!
11:20 am edt 

So Far so Good

The town is quiet and I wish that we do ok when all the winds and all the storms
pass us by.

Only the best to all. Be safe.
11:19 am edt 

Let's Hope All is Well With This Storm

I hope we all do well. I hope that the hurricaine is kinder than predicted. I
wish us all the best.

11:17 am edt 

Re: Bikes and Bikers

In several instances, I saw bikers disregard the traffic police's
signal to stop.  This was at the stop sign by Ryder and Bradford. Luckily, the
motorist whose turn was to drive along, saw the biker and didn't obey the
police's instruction to drive on. instead, the motorist stopped, thus allowing
the careening biker to live one more day.

Had it been the motorist moving against the policeman's instructions, and  NOT
stopping at the stop sign, he/she would have probably gotten a warning or a
ticket.

This is not an isolated incident. I saw many bikers speeding, ignoring stop
signs, passing on the right on Bradford, etc.
Many of the biggest offenders were the seasonal workers from Eastern Europe and
Jamaica, whom I personally know. They bike as if Commercial Street is a race
course. Why? I saw a great car sticker the other day: Same road, same rights,
same rules.  Amen!
11:14 am edt 

Re: Bikes and Bikers

Bike law is a state not local matter. By law you have to give a bicyclist three
feet of clearance. If 4 cyclists in depths of fall are giving you this much
angst you perhaps have larger issues to deal with. Chill out.
11:12 am edt 

Re: The New School Playground

"I voted along with a majority for CPC funds to go to the playground!
AND THEN THE TEXT IS SHADED OUT by BlogMaster."



Thank you for the predicted, expected and, as usual, undeserved offensive
response.  This blog is here to express opinions, not fish for insults.  Grow up
or go play in the playground you voted for with CPC funds and think about how
nice you are.
11:10 am edt 

Storm Shelter

I heard that the School spend-a-thon means no local shelter for the storm. That
means no cape cod shelter that allows pets is open for Sandy or power/water
failure from the storm's after effects.

Maybe a pup tent at the Bark Park will do?
11:08 am edt 

Re: Bikes and Bikers

"Commercial Street should be off limits to bikes 100% Bikes should be
regestered and have a small number plate for identification in case of an
accident. Reckless bikers should be ticketed and fined.

Finally,only when bike riders pay an excise tax to the town of provincetown,
will I agree they have the same rights as motorizes vehicles."


If you're going to make Commercial St. off limits to bikes (because clearly you
have this kind of power,) why stop there? Let's restrict pedestrians to a
special lane on Bradford as well. And to heck with number plates, let's give
bicyclists tattoos. That way they'll be easy to identify and lock up (since they
are SUCH a public nuisance.)

What's that you say? My proposal sounds ridiculous? Well, I hate to be the
bearer of bad news, but yours sounds almost as crazy.

Maybe my memory is a bit faulty, but I seem to recall that when I was in
driver's ed. many years ago, we were taught that bicyclists are essentially
pedestrians and are afforded the same rights. So you don't have to worry about
our ever having the same rights as motorists because we already have the right
of way.

Get over yourself.
11:06 am edt 

School Closings / Storm

As of 5:15 pm Sun, practically all the Schools on the Cape are closing, and I am
sure to no ones suprise Ptown has yet to close. The Govenor has even requested
all Schools close.
11:03 am edt 

Sunday, October 28, 2012

Bikes and Bikers

On 10/27 as i drove on Bradford st extension I approached a group of 4
bikers riding in the traffic lane. They were  reluctant to let me pass even
though they had a bike lane on the left for their use.

My point is, given a designated lane, bikers will continue to ride in the
street.Its time to crack down on their reckless interpretation of bikers rights
to the roads.

Commercial Street should be off limits to bikes 100%
Bikes should be regestered and have a small number plate for identification in
case of an accident. Reckless bikers should be ticketed and fined.

Finally,only when bike riders pay an excise tax to the town of provincetown,
will I agree they have the same rights as motorizes vehicles.
3:46 pm edt 

Re: The New School Playground

I voted along with a majority for CPC funds to go to the playground!
                                                                                              
10:54 am edt 

Saturday, October 27, 2012

Re: The New School Playground

What???  Schools are being closed and playgrounds are being built in
parking lots??  Up is down and down is up? 

Unbelievable and uncontrolled.
10:26 pm edt 

Re: Please Send Greetings

Re: "Let Me Add My Sympathies to Rob Costa"

And her other son Shawn.
10:19 pm edt 

Let Me Add My Sympathies to Rob Costa

Sad to hear about the loss of his mother. Sending my sympathies to him. He
surely has been a wonderful son and has taken up the business his mom and dad
started. He should feel so proud, even at the time of this loss.
4:34 pm edt 

Please Send Greetings

I worked with others in town at Howard Johnson's when Gloria and Basil Santos
owned it many years ago.

Now Gloria is in Cape Cod Hospital after suffering a heart attack.

Please send her a card.

Thanks,

A long time friend.
4:10 pm edt 

The New School Playground

It amazes me how x-amount of parking spaces are sacraficed for a little
playground, when x-amount of dollars was spent for the one behind the Old Vets
School. There are two gymnasiums available and a ball field. I just don't get
it, espicially now with the colder months coming upon us soon. There is so much
unused land area by the High School gym that they could of used. The Supt &
Principal are screaming for money to repair bricks and roofs,etc, they then go
and build a playground. Shame on the School Committee for letting them do this.
People then wonder why some want to close the School.
4:05 pm edt 

Oh, Boy! She Has Lost It!

Something's radically wrong with this woman. Does she need professional help? It
does seem like that. I guess in one word I would say: crazy!  She's in another
world. and this world is filled with illusions.

I'd suggest she see or read the Glass Managerie by Tenessee Williams. She might
learn from the fragile daughter with her precious glass menagerie that has
become her only world and her only real concern. A tragic concern for things,
pieces of glass, and here, bicycles and dogs.

But little concern for real people. It is a tragedy.
4:04 pm edt 

Sorry This is Not North Hamptom

This is what you want and you almost got it. but now, you are rather pissed off.
too bad. diversity is what most of us want, not the rule of just one group here
in town.

I'm glad those who are making decisions are doing just that. I want a mix on our
town boards and not juset one group.

Bravo for diversity and I do mean diversity. We all win when we're in this
together. sorry to those who are not game players but those who steel the ball,
hold on to it, and then take it home.

The game has changed and the rules are now more transparent. for that, I'm
grateful.
4:02 pm edt 

Candace Nagle Should Be Censored

Her behavior is reprehensible. She is libelous, malicious and a rather         
woman. It's sad to see but I believe she is off her      and now we are seeing
an uncontrolled and rather       woman.

Facts mean nothing to her. She is the Romney model: say anything and it must be
true since you are saying it. No, absolutley not. You are spewing nonsense.

As a parent myself of two children, and someone who follows what is happening
here, her behavior is more than disturbing. She is a loose and problematic
cannon.
4:00 pm edt 

Re: I Can Connect the Dots and You Are Not A wonderful Citizen

You have no idea who I am.  You mistakenly think one individual alone is
refusing to allow the FinCom ineptness to be acceptable behavior in our town.

Keep trying to convince yourself of that.   You are incredibly naive if you
believe only one person in town finds the committee to be a joke.


3:54 pm edt 

Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
  
 
The Provincetown Chamber of Commerce
Board of Directors and Staff
would like to express our deepest sympathies
to Rob Costa and to his Family.
Patricia Costa
Rob Costa's Mother
passed away early this morning at Cape Cod Hospital.
Rob and his mother owned and operated
Art's Dune Tours since Rob's Dad passed away.
Rob has served on our Board of Directors for many years.
We send our condolences and caring thoughts.
No details are available yet.
Rob's mailing address is:
Rob Costa
9 Washington Avenue
Provincetown, MA 02657
Rest in peace Pat !
 
PROVINCETOWN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, INC.
PO BOX 1017
PROVINCETOWN, MA 02657
508-487-3424
 
8:27 am edt 

Town Moderator

What qualifications do you consider important when appointing someone to FinCom?

When two of your appointments admit during their Friday afternoon meeting that
they don't know what they are doing it's not a good reflection of your
judgement.

FinCom member Russo: I didn't really know what I was voting on so I just voted
with everyone else.
FinCom member Steel: I don't really understand what free cash is.

A member from the audience said it best when he said members have a
responsibility to learn about what they are reviewing and if they don't know
basic information they should resign or at the very minimum they should abstain
from voting.

As a parent with children in the Provincetown school system I take this
discussion about our schools very seriously.  I'm sad that you and your
appointed FinCom are treating it as a joke.  Sad may not be the right word, I'm
angry.
8:24 am edt 

Re: Please, Fabulous Kids

To whomever is doing the spell check, good for you. The school still
nees to be sold. 57 students still need to be cared for but not at near 4
million dollars/year. And the supt of schools still needs to be fired.
8:20 am edt 

Re: This is Sickening

This misspelling is purposeful. Our bitter blogger uses this trick to appear to
be other than himself. You can see this tactic through the entire history of
this blog at regular intervals.
8:19 am edt 

Vote For Scoundrel of the Month

I just received this as an e-mail but it is so fitting. I know who I would cast
my vote for--she's blond, overly talkative, a but-inski, dishonest and a problem
that festers. this woman is my Scoundrel of the Month!
8:18 am edt 

I Can Connect the Dots and You Are Not A wonderful Citizen

You are virus in the hospital room; the moth in a closet. You are a problem and
surely your interests are questionable.

I can connect the dots and the image that results is not pretty but a woman with
problems, a woman who sadly needs help--and soon.
8:16 am edt 

Grace Hall Parking Lot

Who decided to take a big chunk of the Grace Hall parking lot and make
it into a play ground near the school? Dont they have enough land behind (or in
front of) the school without removing about 15 parking places from the lot?
Where is the $$ coming from to build it? Who gave permission to use the lot for
a playground? Can I build something there? Doesnt look like a very well thought
out idea!
8:14 am edt 

Friday, October 26, 2012

Re: Please, Fabulous Kids

"These students should have been at Nauset two years back and we would
not need a puerintendent, a high school principle, and secreataries at yes $75,000 salary.
that is what this is all about and now to spend $1.5 million to re-point brick?

You have to be kidding us. they don't know what they're doing with this building
but they can present this preposterious proposal. This is mismanagement. This is
poor planning. This is sick."

It's SUPERINTENDENT, not puerintendent
It's PRINCIPAL, not principle
It's SECRETARIES, not secreataries
It's PREPOSTEROUS, not preposterious

This is mid-education.
This is poor spelling.
This is sickening.
5:25 pm edt 

Waste Not! Want Not!

My house is over 200 years old and livable (can't
rehab it - HDC won't let it be) The school - only 81 years young, it's a "baby"
which has seen many babies pass through its portals to become very successful
people,who hopefully would not make some of the idiotic comments some bloggers
have written here about selling it! I could afford those proponents a ride to
the Town line it they'd like. And no - I'm not a teacher or related to one. Stop
badgering the "new" Fin Com. They're intelligent and not part of the old buddy
system that prevailed before. There have been some in the past on Fin Com that
didn't know how gov't worked or what a budget was when thay got there,but they
had the initiative to learn and served well for a long time. The Town didn't
sink to the bottom either!Viva La save the school! See you at Town Meeting!
10:37 am edt 

School Issues Are Endless
 
It is sad that we have numerous issues about a School system that is dying and
everyone knows it, including the teachers but yet there's no committee formed to
figure out what are we going to do. But some how one was formed for a Police
station. However, the Supt and Principal must have come from New Hampshire with
the Police Chief because as far as I am concerned, they will only tell you what
they want you to know.A previous posting here talked about how cold it was in
the School because they refused to turn on the heat till Nov 1st and yet another
felt that was not true. Well, I asked certain people that work at the School and
it is true, it is cold and yes the Supt & Principal refuse to turn on the heat.
If that was never posted here, no one would of ever known. The same applies to
the money you will be asked for at the up coming town mtg, say yes now and then
yes to a new police station and guess what, you won't be able to afford to live
here and take your kids to the School here anyways.Your call.
10:35 am edt 

Re: CHR, Inc. aka Ted Malone

Just checked out CHR project on 85 Shank Painter
There is a floor plan and it shows storage space for rent
on the ground floor. I thought this building was for affordable
housing?

The housing units are soooooo small that no wonder they need
storage space at a price. Are  those spaces only for tenants or on the Open
Market?
CPA needs to smarten up. Remember the Harthwone Barn drama.
10:31 am edt 

Re: "School - Easy Job Big Pay"

Re: "You check their homework in an hour; you get summers off and
school vacations. You get a nice pay check and a $75,000.00 salary for some and
retiree benefits for life."


So it would appear your anger is against teachers.  Sorry, direct your anger
somewhere else.  After finishing their college education teachers have a
starting salary in the  low $30's.  If they teach long enough and continue to
take educational courses they may get up to $75K over the years.  You know what? 
They DAMN WELL DESERVE IT!

You have no problem paying a plumber or an electrician $50/hr ($104K/yr), but
you have a problem paying a reasonable salary to a teacher who is teaching our
children?

I'm not a teacher, not married to a teacher, have no children - I just
appreciate the value of education.
10:28 am edt 

Re: Time to Close the School

Re: "When we close the school in Provincetown can Truro handle the
additional students?"

Students would not be able to attend either Truro or Wellfleet.  Neither school
has room for additional students.
10:25 am edt 

FinComm

Word on the street is FinCom is backing away from their letter to the
voters.  I can't go to their meeting today but i'd love to hear how they spin
it, hopefully it is being taped.

I think this may be what happens when appointments are made based on a political
agenda instead of on qualifications.  There are some qualified people on the
Committee, but there are also some who are on the committee solely based on an
agenda.  Unfortunately the qualified people are going to be dragged down by the
words and actions of the others.

I think residents will be able to 'connect the dots'.
7:38 am edt 

Time to Close the School

When we close the school in Provincetown can Truro handle the
additional students? Could we sell both school buildings in order to pay for the
police station? Time to close the school and move on!
7:36 am edt 

CHR, Inc. aka Ted Malone

I could be wrong or my source wrong, but I think this information
is worth posting.

CHR (Ted Malone ) is no longer the management company for
The Meadows complex.

Will CHR sell the management rights to others on properties funded
by Our CPA Funds or are there restrictions on the deeds?

Did CHR get CPA funds for the Meadows or Anne Page Way?
7:34 am edt 

Town Meeting

Lets hope we get it done in one night. May the power stay on.

Lets close the school and save the taxpayers millions.

7:31 am edt 

School: Easy Job Big Pay

Of course the teachers want to keep this school open. Who wouldn't want to teach
a class room of 5 or 6 childen?

You check their homework in an hour; you get summers off and school vacations.
You get a nice pay check and a $75,000.00 salary for some and retiree benefits
for life.

I'd move heaven and hell and put the spotlight on "Wee Care" and the children to
secure my job--YOU BETCHA!
7:30 am edt 

School Renovations/Repairs

My house - 159 years old
School building - 81 years old

School building has a lot of years left if it's maintained.
7:26 am edt 

Thursday, October 25, 2012

Re: Please, Fabulous Kids

"They belong in another town's high school system. they are being done
in by being here. .  ."


Read this carefully.  High school grades 9 - 12 are ending after this year, our
students will be going to Nauset.  So yes, our high school age students will be
in another high school system.

Provincetown will proudly continue to offer all education to 'wee care' through
8th grade.  I just talked to another parent today who LOVES the Provincetown
school system.
9:52 pm edt 

Please, Fabulous Kids

They belong in another town's high school system. they are being done in by
being here. It is dead end. the school is closed--really already. everyone who
gets a pay check wants to believe it is alive and well. but it is dead, over,
finished.

These students should have been at Nauset two years back and we would not need a
puerintendent, a high school principle, and secreataries at yes $75,000 salary.
that is what this is all about and now to spend $1.5 million to re-point brick?

You have to be kidding us. they don't know what they're doing with this building
but they can present this preposterious proposal. This is mismanagement. This is
poor planning. This is sick.
8:04 pm edt 

Mass General Law 39 10

Whenever the moderator determines that voters are being excluded from the town
meeting because there is no room for them in the places provided or that voters
in attendance are being deprived of the opportunity to participate therein for
any reason whatsoever, he shall either, on his own motion recess the meeting for
any period during the day of the meeting or, after consultation with the members
of the board of selectmen then present, adjourn the same to another date, not
later than fourteen days following the date of said meeting, when places and
facilities sufficient to accommodate all voters attending and to enable them to
participate therein shall be available
7:41 pm edt 

Re: Hurricane Question

" What happens if hurricane hits on Monday?  Is town meeting postponed?"


I was at assessor's office today and asked the Finance Director in the offic
next door.  he wasn't sure and suggested I talk to the town clerk, but I didn't
have time to ask.  I don't know if we have bylaws regarding it or it's governed
by state laws.
7:07 pm edt 

Hurricane Question

What happens if hurricane hits on Monday?  Is town meeting postponed? 
To the next day or do they have to give a 30 day notice of the meeting again?
2:22 pm edt 

Re: FinComm

"The town is not obsessed with Finn com. but you are . . ."


You need to get away from the computer and talk to some people.  I've been
stopped by people on the street and at the S&S who want to talk about their
publication.  I'm not on the FinCom nor do I have a strong opinion on them one
way or another, but folks are talking.
11:18 am edt 

Warrant Information

I appreciate the effort to include warrant article explanations on the
town's web site, it's been very helpful.  But I do wonder why more of this
information wasn't in the warrant itself so we'd know more when we read the
warrant in the paper
11:14 am edt 

Re: "Check Out the School Board Minutes From June 12th"

Going on the attack against the school huh?  Most folks can see through what's
going on here.
10:36 am edt 

Provincetown Schools

To those of you who know nothing about the schools:   They are
fabulous and we have wonderful kids in this town.
10:34 am edt 

School Renovations/Repairs

I just read the Banner Newspaper this morning and I have changed my mind about
keeping this school open. Here is why: (1) The building is 81 years old. Do you
know of any schools that are this old and have potential for getting a million
dollars to fix things like leaks from the roof. (2) Years ago the school had
approx 350 students compared to the 57 they say it has now. Does anyone honestly
think that enrollment is going to go up. A couple of years ago, there were
teachers that I know for a fact who had their own kids going to other schools
while they worked at this school. What does that tell you.

This school use to have a football team, a baseball team and a basketball team
and years ago every friday night there were football rallies around town. Now
all that is gone.For your child to play those sports or even get a trade they
have to go to Nauset or Cape Tech. I know it can be an inconvience for everyone
with kids in this school to bus their kids for a atleast a 40 minute bus ride,
espicially when they are so young but who's fault is that, I know and they
continue getting paid no matter how many kids are in this school.
10:33 am edt 

Re: School Kids

"Don't know how many kids are currently enrolled in the Provincetown
School but was told today that there is 46 kids."


There are approximately 100 children in the Provincetown schools.
I wouldn't believe the story about heat being turned on; if I were concerned I'd
call the school and ask if it's true.  Don't rely on this blog for truth. 
People have their own agendas and they are frequently designed to denigrate
individuals or undermine institutions.
10:28 am edt 

FIN COM: Add $300,000.00 to the Town Coffers

Fin Com says that our taxes are going up 28%. We need to demand that they
advocate to move long term parking to the grace G. parking lot thus adding
$300,000.00 to the town coffers.

This way, in 3 years we would cover the cost of repairing the high school.

Last year the town lost about $300,000.00 in a hundred days in the summer due to
long term parking.

It is time to take the burden off of the taxpayers by collecting this money and
putting in the town coffers.
10:23 am edt 

Here is My Sense: .......... Write to Yourself

The town is not obsessed with Finn com. but you are.so write to yourself about
your own anger and pissed off sentiments on your own Facebook. then two or three
of your friends can sympathize with you about how you are treated.

You are nuts! you've just lost it and I am adding to the porfolio on you. You
have lost it and will lose even more.  Take a break and take a deep breath.
Otherwise, you are the saddest thing I know.
10:20 am edt 

School Board

Check out the School Board Minutes from June 12. They had a $175,000 budget
surplus, thought about using it for the roof repairs or releasing it back to
town but opted to spend it on other things.

These people eat tax money!


http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/archives/580/sc120612.pdf



Beth says spend it or lose it, and then "Lory said that shes against it and last
year we went through the same thing.  She thinks it would be a benefit for our
image to return some money to the Town.  It would go a long way if we returned
some money to the town.  Shes in favor of some of the proposed expenditures but
shes sure that we can find more money for the other things, i.e., we need roof
work and that money has got to come from somewhere"



10:14 am edt 

School Kids

FinCom and selectmen support school repair project, no kidding. As
long as it is easier to just say yes to unions instead of making tough decisions
concerning spending, town government will continue to say yes. I will vote no to
another multi-million dollar project. We need to, at the least, get rid of the
school supt., Beth Singer. Why do we need this position for a 100+ kids?
10:09 am edt 

Re: School Kids

". . .Again, the two leaders that we have trusted to give our children
more bang for the buck have drastically failed. The sad part of it all is, they
still think they are doing a good job. . ."


Actually you are wrong.  We have failed them.  How easy do you think it is to
attract children to a school when the town in which it is located is constantly
talking of closing the school.  With our isolated location and the constant
negativity coming from a few in town their job is nearly impossible.

I prefer to talk to parents than to read anonymous blabberings on a blog.  And
the parents believe their children are learning in a very good school.  I have
no children, did not attend Provincetown schools, but feel I owe every child the
right to learn.  And I'll stand up for them every day of the week.
10:07 am edt 

Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Re: FinCom Booklet

I looked at my FinCom booklet from October 2011.  The booklet reviewed
the five articles that had a financial impact.  There was no three page
editorial as this FinCom felt was needed.  And the committee explained the logic
and reasons behind each article upon which we were voting which this FinCom
didn't feel was important.  Apparently the only reason for this FinCom booklet
is the editorial.  Why didn't you just skip the waste of paper and write another
'Viewpoint' in the Banner?

My question to the members of the Finance Committee would be this - Did you all
approve this material or was this the work of one or two people?  It's making
you all look bad.
4:00 pm edt 

School Kids

I Don't know how many kids are currently enrolled in the Provincetown School but
was told today that there is 46 kids. What I do know is, since the Supt &
Principal have taken over the running of this School, that more kids have left
then has enrolled. I also know there has been a slow trickle of teachers leaving
as well. Now from what I read here earlier in a previous posting, that they now
are not turning on the heat till November 1st, despite complaints from everyone
that it is cold.

Again, the two leaders that we have trusted to give our children more bang for
the buck have drastically failed. The sad part of it all is, they still think
they are doing a good job. While they have cut custodians out, a math teacher
left because they were going to cut his salary and the mass exodus of kids from
this School and yet the very same two who have failed us and our children,
remain. Something is definetely wrong with this picture.
3:58 pm edt 

Re: Conflict of Interest

". . .There is no conflict of interest and whoever is so ill-tempered
and so malicious . . ."



One should always avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest.  By
appointing her husband to the FinCom and then actively participating in a FinCom
meeting the chair could be considered less than a neutral observer.

I can understand why someone would believe she may not be a neutral observer. 
I'm not attacking either person, I suppose Monday night will tell us more about
the neutrality of the moderator.
2:23 pm edt 

Town Moderator Has No conflict of Interest

Who is this sad person writing these insane words of a false accusation of
conflict of interest? MaryJo Avelar is our town moderator and does a fabulous
job in appointing people to boards and acting efficiently. She does not spend
weeks deliberating but acts.

There is no conflict of interest and whoever is so ill-tempered and so malicious
to write this nonsense should have herself or himself checked out medically.
there is something quite wrong with this person. How sad this person must be.
Maybe he or she needs employment or some hobby to keep themselves occupied with
normal and healthy issues. How pathetic!
12:30 pm edt 

Re: FinComm

FinCom Agenda for Friday:

1) Reconsideration of recommendations regarding Articles on the Warrant (Votes
maybe taken)


OK, I can understand that they may have needed to meet somewhere else because
town hall is closed on Friday afternoons.  But, why do they need to meet on
Friday when they have a meeting scheduled for 5:15 on Monday evening prior to
town meeting?  It would appear they are up to no good.

They have a public hearing, then vote on the articles.  Now, when they hope no
one will show up they are going to re-visit their votes?  We need to call them
out on Monday evening.
11:41 am edt 

Re: Finance Committee Booklet

Who fabricated the content of the Finance Committee's booklet for Town
Meeting? Anyone know?
11:38 am edt 

Re: FinComm Letter

"HUH? I can't find a 17 page letter, it looks like 2 pages to me. The
report is 17 pages, down from 26 last year?"



You only need to read pages 3, 4 & 5.  Everything else is either a repeat of
past information or a re-printing of the warrant.  Not sure what the big fuss
is, there really isn't much there.  Where's the controversey?
11:35 am edt 

Re: FinComm Letter

HUH? I can't find a 17 page letter, it looks like 2 pages to me. The
report is 17 pages, down from 26 last year?

wackjob at work?
9:31 am edt 

Conflict of Interest

Will town moderator recuse herself at town meeting anytime FinCom
discussions arise?  She has an obvious conflict of interest with her husband on
FinCom.
8:00 am edt 

Re: Close the High School

"I will not vote to fix that freakin high school building. Every
overpaid school employee can take a cut in their benefits and fix it themselves!"



Now that's an adult conversation.  So glad this group of 'concerned citizens'
can come up with constructive solutions.
7:57 am edt 

FinCom Booklet

FINANCE COMMITTEE TOWN MEETING BOOKLET

Go to this site and then click on FinCom booklet and read the letter.
http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/DocumentCenter/Index/193

We will just have to ask the Finance Committee to explain how they came up with
this.
7:55 am edt 

Re: FinComm Letter

17 PAGE LETTER FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE

Go to the town website, go to the Special town meeting and they have a section
on articles and THE 17 PAGE LETTER to the voters.

What kind of tactics are these? Scare folks into thinking that their taxes are
going up 28% next year? I don't understand where they get their figures.

7:54 am edt 

FinComm Public Meeting

This is very strange.  Meeting in basement of library again reviewing
their town meeting votes.  Where the heck is the transparency with this
committee?  It would almost appear as if they are hiding something.  Very shady.


Posted on Facebook:
The Finance Committee is holding a meeting in the BASEMENT of the library!
Posted on the Town's website: The Finance Committee will hold a public meeting
on October 26, 2012 at 12 pm (noon) in the lower level Conference Room at the
Provincetown Public Library, 365 Commercial Street, Provincetown MA
Agenda:
1) Reconsideration of recommendations regarding Articles on the Warrant (Votes
maybe taken)
2) Approval of Minutes from prior meetings (Votes may be taken)
3) Next meeting topics and dates.
7:53 am edt 

Provincetown School

I have read some of the postings here about closing the School and so on. I
asked around with some questions of my own that I had and I think it's in the
best intrest of all that the money to fix the problems up at the school should
be voted down at the upcoming town meeting.

The enrollment is expected to drop, there are no sports for the students to play
in and eventually there are going to be more costly problems with the school
building. There are no specific programs to teach the kids beyond basic
education.The costs to keep this school open was definetely an eye opener for
me. What this town and taxpayers are paying per pupil, you are not getting your
moneys worth in return compared to other schools.
7:50 am edt 

Outsource the Finance Committee

I think we should outsource the Finance Committee. Geez they don't
even know you buy back bonds and don't pay them down? What a bunch of
knuckleheads!
7:47 am edt 

Closing the School

I am in total favor of closing the School. Tell me what trade they have to offer
right up until the 8th grade ? Before the mass exit of kids from this School to
the Nauset Schools, there was nothing then either. You can't tell me that the
Supt & Principal don't know that and what did they do. I understand that
everything revolves around money but since the Supt & Principal have been in
Office, they have had sufficient time to get some things going.

There will be more students leaving next year, so for those who wanna know what
the student enrollment is now, a figure I personally don't have, I can tell you
there will be less next year. Time to close it. Another reason I have is, the
other day I heard thru the grapevine that the teachers and students in School
were all freezing and the School informed one parent that they are not turning
the heat on till November 1st. If between now and then it happens again, and any
student be it a pre-school child or upper grade student takes sick and has to
miss school, trust me that child will be marked absent and not given credit
because of the Schools ignorance to turn on the heat.I bet allot of the tax
payers in this town are not aware of that. The School rather risk a childs
health just to save money.
7:46 am edt 

FinComm Letter

"Last year I asked the finance director if we did away with the
Landbank tax could we use that 3% to pay down our debt quicker and reduce our
interest costs.  I was told a bond is not like a home mortgage where you can pay
extra principal each month.  A bond has set principal and interest payments for
the length of the bond."


Sorry the former finance director was wrong. Most muni bonds are Callable Bonds,
meaning the town can pay them off early. The town can call the whole issue or
just a certain dollar amount. Given economic uncertainty, it would be hard to
believe PTown bonds are not callable.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callable_bond)

In the event our bonds are not callable, and given the financial wizardry of
Town Hall, they might not be, the same effect can be accomplished by not issuing
the next round of bonds.
7:41 am edt 

It's Time to Change Our Charter!

Specifically, how the Finance Committee is appointed. One person and one person
only who may or may not have an agenda should not be the only appointing authority.
Expect an article in the spring at the annual Town Meeting!
7:38 am edt 

Re: Murchinson Property - Is it My Imagination or ???

Very doubtful any building above and beyond an approved plan could ever, ever
happen here.  Especially so close to a protected wetland.

Say hello to the Bldg Dept. and pull the plan for a look see and compare it to
what you see now.  Then your answer will be had.  Many Halloween spells being
cast around this time of year, why take the chance one has caught your
imagination to play with.

PS (the first two sentences were sarcastic)
7:36 am edt 

Re: 2.5% Per Year

The converse is true as well. If costs go up due to inflation by 2.5% per year,
about the average over past 20 years, and far less than real muni inflation, and
we don't raise taxes by at least that amount we will fairly quickly gut local
government and be left with zero services and just payments on debt and retiree
obligations.

The FinCom letter is embarrassing.
7:34 am edt 

FinComm Letter

I think this is what it should say

The Finance Committee anticipates a period of difficult choices ahead; our
current path will increase property taxes by at least 28.6% in the next five
years (15% for Capital Projects and 13.1% for Operating Budget increases). 
Note, this does not include costs of Retiree Health care, a Police Station, or
DPW facilities.  Town Meeting voters should be aware of this trajectory when
evaluating spending proposals.
7:32 am edt 

Town Counsel Overraching

We don't Need town Counsel Involved in our town Boards


all they do is bill the town and then bill again. this is getting ourtrageous.

there are town boards that have not asked town counsel for their input and yet,
town counsel is getting involved in procedures, policies, and decisions. We do
not need town counsel billing us over and over.


Seems town employees are so scared of doing wrong, they   are bringing in town
counsel to "Advise", "Help," and "Direct." sorry, you should know your job and
you don't need town counsel to add their thousand dollar "two cents" to each and
every decision.

We absolutley do not need town counsel billing us for insignificant issues but
that is exactly and problematically what is happening.

Why shold town counsel be so involved and so billable for the Historic District
Commission? but check out their invoices on HDC. They are insinuating themselves
in each and every insigificant issue. they hardly know the guidelines.

This overreaching by town counsel must stop.
7:31 am edt 

Could Someone Please Hire Her?

"You know who she is. blond, talkative, at too many meetings and rather
in need of being rescued. Please, someone, hire her or take her out for dinner."



If I had a job opening I'd hire her in a heartbeat.  A person who puts herself
out there.  A person who sets her mind to get something done and does it.  She's
very successful on her own, but if she wanted a job and I had an opening I would
hire her in a second.
7:28 am edt 

Chief of Police

Now is the Time For the Chief to Leave

Someone died because of being hit by a police vehicle? That's not chasing an
ambulance. That's called negligent homicide.

Who is anyone kidding... this is the kind of lawsuit that gets quietly settled.

If the police chief really made that statement, he needs to apologize to the
victim's family. It's not an appropriate comment to make period.

Just saying.



7:23 am edt 

Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Property Tax Does Not Need to go up 2.5% Every Year

The govenment just needs to stop pissing-away so much money year after year.
I will not vote to fix that freakin high school building. Every overpaid school employee
can take a cut in their benefits and fix it themselves!
5:31 pm edt 

Re: FinComm Letter

In keeping with Halloween I think FinCom is trying to scare residents.

I could say if we spend $2M a year on roads and $5M a year on current and
existing projects your taxes will double.  My statement would have as much value
as FinCom's statement.

It's odd that the same group who squealed loudly about 'not having enough
information to make a decision' is now asking us to respond when they aren't
able to give us facts.
5:17 pm edt 

Murchinson Property

Is it my imagination or is the new house going up on the Murchinson
property look different and bigger than what was proposed and granted at their
public hearing?
5:10 pm edt 

Could Someone Plese Hire Her?

I think she has too much time on her hands. I think she needs to have her poor
mind occupied. Please, is there someone in town who could hire this sad and
rather troubled soul who needs help.

You know who she is. blond, talkative, at too many meetings and rather in need
of being rescued. Please, someone, hire her or take her out for dinner.
5:08 pm edt 

Outsourcing Town Employee Positions

We don't have to have any town employees - we could subcontract every
function.   Is that the kind of town we want ?
5:05 pm edt 

Virtual Town Offices

I like the idea of virtual offices, could save lot of $.  We could
sell three or more buildings.  Worth looking into.
5:02 pm edt 

FinComm Letter

". . . When we do have free cash, (sic) Finance Committee believes,
its preferable that it be used to fund our stabilization accounts, to increase
capital expense reserves and to pay down long term debt and retiree liabilities."


Having watched all the FinCom meetings I find this statement odd.  The FinCom
never voted on this so how do they now say it's the preferrance of the
committee?  I can't find they even discussed it.  Is this really the preference
of the committee or just the person who wrote this piece?  How can you say
something is the preference of the committee when it isn't?

Last year I asked the finance director if we did away with the Landbank tax
could we use that 3% to pay down our debt quicker and reduce our interest costs. 
I was told a bond is not like a home mortgage where you can pay extra principal
each month.  A bond has set principal and interest payments for the length of
the bond.

The idea of using free cash to pay down long term debt doesn't work, you would
think the FinCom would know that.
5:01 pm edt 

Jeff Jaran v Chris Snow

The Banner quoted Jaran as stating Chris Snow has nothing better to
do, Hes going to chase ambulances.

I agree, the chief should have not said anything in this situation.  Sometimes
the truth is better left unsaid.
4:56 pm edt 

Re: FinComm

"Went to http://provincetown-ma.gov and went to the october town
meeting and read what the finance committee wrote.

I don't understand what they are saying regarding our taxes. Are they saying
that in 30 years our taxes will have gone up 28%?"



Property taxes go up 2.5% every year automatically, So 30 years is about between
a 75% abd 100% increase
4:55 pm edt 

Re: FinComm

"I don't understand what they are saying regarding our taxes. Are they
saying that in 30 years our taxes will have gone up 28%?"



I previously worked in finance and I read that segment a couple of times and was
unsure what they were attempting to say.  And someone should have proofread
their document, when voters are asked to rely on information it does not install
confidence when the document is filled with typos.

I think the 28.5% comes from adding the 15% and 13% from the two previous
statements.   The 15% comes from assuming $1,000,000 spent on roads and
$2,000,000 spent on other projects every year, not including a police station,
DPW building or retiree health care.  That $3,000,000 is just an assumption as
stated in their document and I think it's meant to scare us.

I'd  be inclined to wait until we are given actual numbers and not make
decisions based on assumptions/guesses.  Ultimately town voters will decide, not
FinCom.
4:51 pm edt 

FinComm

LETTER FROM FIN COM TO VOTERS ON THE TOWN WEBSITE UNDER TOWN MEETING
WARRANTS AND EXPLANATIONS

"...The Finance committee anticipates a period of difficult choices ahead; our
current path will increase property taxes by at least 28.5%. This does not
include costs of retiree health care, a police station or DPW facilities."
4:48 pm edt 

EMERGENCY NOTICE

EMERGENCY NOTICE COMMERCIAL STREET PROJECT

Due to an unforseen situation with the drainage in the Lopes Square area they
will not be able to do any work there on Monday and possibly for the week. Read
on...

go to the provincetown town website to read more
4:38 pm edt 

Re: Fincomm

FIN COM-EXPLAING THE EVENTUAL 28% TAX INCREASE by 2045?

I went to http://provincetown-ma.gov and went to the october town meeting and
read what the finance committee wrote.

I don't understand what they are saying regarding our taxes. Are they saying
that in 30 years our taxes will have gone up 28%?
10:10 am edt 

Now is the Time For the Chief to Leave

Our friend, Jim Parker, died following an accident when he was struck by a
Provincetown Police vehicle. Those are the facts.

The Banner recently reported that Parker was struck by a police pick-up truck on
Dec. 9 during a pre-dawn walk to the United Methodist Church at about 6:43 a.m.

Provincetown Police Officer Gregory Hennick was backing the truck out of the
police station rear lot at 26 Shankpainter Road when he struck Parker in the
crosswalk. Hennick was not cited in the incident.

An independent accident reconstruction assessment estimated that the police
truck hit Parker moving eight or nine miles per hour. The report determined the
driver was at fault for the accident.

Parker, who died of congestive heart failure on May 1, filed a personal injury
and defamation claim against the town on Feb. 3, according to his attorney Chris
Snow.

Police Chief Jeff Jaran, claims, according to the Banner report, that he had no
knowledge of a claim ever being filed and brushed off the accusations. The
Banner quoted Jaran as stating Chris Snow has nothing better to do, Hes going to
chase ambulances.

From our police chief. Really? This is how the police department responds to
public safety?

If the upcoming election included the position of chief of police, Jeff Jaran
would not be re-elected.                                                                   




8:39 am edt 

Provincetown Schools

Does anyone know the number of Provincetown resident students enrolled
in the school system?
8:36 am edt 

FinComm

I understand that FinCom member Canizalles voted against the school
project this morning.  We can look forward to his minority report at town
meeting - we know the guy likes to hear himself talk.
8:34 am edt 

Monday, October 22, 2012

Re: FinComm

"If the cost for the schools is $30,000 a student, and half the
students comefrom Truro or Wellfeet, is the real cost to educate Provincetown's
children$60,000 per kid per year? "



"Mass is a 'school of choice' state.  That means that a parent can send a child
to any school, and the child's home school district reimburses the school where
the child attends.  So the cost per student for Provincetown includes any
PROVINCETOWN student who attends school here, and any PROVINCETOWN student who
goes to another town for school."



Sorry I must be missing something, if it so simple: That means that Truro and
Wellfleet pay Provincetown $30,000 for every student they send to us and we pay
$30,000 for every student we send to another district?
5:40 pm edt 

Closing School

I was once told that if this Town was to eliminate the School that once it's
gone, it's gone. If that holds true, I urge those who have been posting on here
to close the School wether you have kids in the Ptown School or not, that the
concern to save money is understandable with such a small School but some day
there may be others who might come to live here with children(s),that if there
is a School, they may stay but if not guess what.

So as far as I am concerned, it's wiser to down size the building to accomadate
what is here and if the enrollment should rise (which I doubt it ever will), we
can always build back up. But once it's gone, it's gone my friend. Let's put our
minds together and look at all avenues available to us, then proceed to do
what's best.
5:20 pm edt 

PTV - Open Meeting Law

Link to Open Meeting Law listed at top.


Just goes to PTV.

Where is this link supposed to take you ??



Interested Eel




5:18 pm edt 

Re: Finn Comm

"They be doin' a good job."


 You be doin' some damage to the English language with your remarks.
5:15 pm edt 

Re: FinComm

"If the cost for the schools is $30,000 a student, and half the
students comefrom Truro or Wellfeet, is the real cost to educate Provincetown's
children$60,000 per kid per year? "



Mass is a 'school of choice' state.  That means that a parent can send a child
to any school, and the child's home school district reimburses the school where
the child attends.  So the cost per student for Provincetown includes any
PROVINCETOWN student who attends school here, and any PROVINCETOWN student who
goes to another town for school.

This is not rocket science, but it seems to come up at least once a week on this
blog.  People need to do some research before they type.
5:12 pm edt 

Re: Department of Public Works

"The DPW could should also be in the basement of Town Hall. That used
to be the police station. There is so much wasted space there now."


Let's put everyone in the basement at town hall in all that imaginary wasted
space.  Police, Fire, DPW, everyone into the basement.  I have an even better
idea - let staff work at home so we dont even need office space.  The town could
drastically reduce it's office space needs if we started virtual offices.  Some
people who work with the public need to be at town hall, but many could do their
work at home.
5:08 pm edt 

Department of Public Works

The DPW could should also be in the basement of Town Hall. That used
to be the police station. There is so much wasted space there now. Offices for
every single person, many of whom just need a desk. Please, we need to have
serious discussions about taxpayer money without so much vitriol.
5:10 am edt 

Sunday, October 21, 2012

Freeman Building - Old Library

"The old library on Commercial Street could house every one of the
departments being moved into the old elementary school building. The tourism
office should move back to Town Hall. For years it was just an office in Town
Hall."



Sometimes I wonder if posters even live in our town.  So you feel the
Recreation, Council on Aging and Public Works departments could all fit into the
building at the corner of Commercial and Freeman Streets?

It is apparent that you have no idea of the size of the Freeman St building or
the size of these departmentARYs.  Not a clue.
9:06 pm edt 

But it is Over!!!!!

You fix a a High School when You Have High School Stuudents:

But it is over. We have eight students in teh high school and next year it is
over, finished, never to be again. so why, this year, are we proposing to spend
$1.5 million to fix a high school building when we no long have a high school?

Are we stupid? Are we muddled headed people?

this is the most ridiculous proposal I've ever heard. Put the young children
back in the elementary scholl where they belong and close the doors on this
building. we may not know what to do with it but the last thing any sound
citizen would do is pend $1.5 million for a building that is in question as to
its future.

Makes me believe that it's time for Sharon to go. this thinking is so
preposterious that I think we need a new town manager or a real honest and
bright town manager.
9:03 pm edt 

No Matter the Cost?!

I believe most of the negative discussion about Provincetown schools
is related to wasteful spending. I too am concerned with the cost of patching
the high school building. Now is the time to take a step back and rethink the
use of that building.
The old library on Commercial Street could house every one of the departments
being moved into the old elementary school building. The tourism office should
move back to Town Hall. For years it was just an office in Town Hall.
With money so tight, the BOS and the town manager need to have better long term
vision. We have fire stations on Johnson Street and Anthony Street that we no
longer need.
Take a step back from this massive spending project and be more careful with the
taxpayers dollar.
I will be at the town meeting next week to vote no to fixing the high school
building. Yes we need a good school system, but not at any cost.
8:33 pm edt 

Re: Now We Have FinComm as an Engaged Board

"We don't have yes men and yes women anymore. they are not beholden to
town hall officials. We need an independent voice---and finally, we have it."


I'm willing to give the new FinCom a chance, but will admit to being concerned
with their actions so far.  They seem to be speaking loudly about transparency
and 'the process' a the chair calls it.  But, then they themselves do the
opposite.  I couldn't find anywhere when the committee asked the chair to put
the committee's point of view in the editorial section of the Banner, especially
when all members were not in agreement.  There appears to be a good amount of
meeting and plotting behind the scenes which makes me wonder how much of what
they are doing violates the open meeting rules.
8:30 pm edt 

Re: PTV

". . .my "problem" is that the sound tech does  not perform a systems
check before a Finn comm.  meeting.  .  ."



The problem is when visitors don't speak right into mic.  The chair (of all
taped meetings, not just FinCom) needs to tell visitor to pull the mic right up
to their face.
4:27 pm edt 

Re: Arguments vs Opinions

Well said Mitt Romney. Since when is this blog a site for arguments vs
opinions? I guess if you're Mittens, you can always pick an argument. Now go
back to arguing with children.

I didn't come here to argue, I came here to express my opinion and I (foolishly)
expected some intelligent discourse in response. Instead I got a bunch of
comments like yours.
4:22 pm edt 

Re: Close the School

"Cause those poor kids are not being given close to a decent rounded
education.   Test scores have repeatedly showed that Provincetown ranks in the
lowest percentile in the State!
Close the school and move the kids to Truro, Wellfleet etc
Where they have a chance at least. Family's with any sense . . ."


This coming from someone who does not have children in Provincetown schools. 
This coming from someone who doesn't know the plural of family is families.  I'm
in favor of providing the best education we can provide at the local level and
letting parents decide if they wish to have their children educated at
Provincetown schools or school choice them to another school.
4:20 pm edt 

FinComm

"At one point they didn't want to do the high school because there
were more costs to come and they wanted to decide if they would be better
closing the school."



The FinCom never proposed closing the school. The only people proposing closing
the school are on this blog.

But since you raised the subject,

If the cost for the schools is $30,000 a student, and half the students come
from Truro or Wellfeet, is the real cost to educate Provincetown's children
$60,000 per kid per year?
4:18 pm edt 

Now We Have FinComm as an Engaged Board

We don't have yes men and yes women anymore. they are not beholden to town hall
officials. We need an independent voice---and finally, we have it.

Congratulations to all of you!
4:16 pm edt 

Thank Goodness We Have Finance People on the Finance Committee

What a relief! what a breath of fresh air! they know numbers and demand numbers
where town hall wants ambiguity, mush numbers and obfuscation!

I am proud of their gumptioin and so good to see a woman is now on this board.
4:15 pm edt 

Spell-Check

Can everyone PLEASE turn on their spell-check before writing here?
It's sometimes nearly impossible to figure out what the heck some people are
trying to say. Thank you.
4:13 pm edt 

Re: Finn Comm

They be doin' a good job.  my "problem" is that the sound tech does  not perform
a systems check before a Finn comm.  meeting.  the members we hear fine...can
the witnesses be coached to pull the mic toward them and to speak into the
device?  i shut off the meeting because of the poor sound quality.

thank you.
10:42 am edt 

Don Quixote de la Mancha

Yes, very nutty.        really is the land of broken toys. It's sad though to see
others manipulate her anger for their own power seeking purposes. I'd hope they
would help to  find whatever it is she needs to live a happier life. Tilting at
windmills year after year is really so tragic.

Come on Ptown, we can do better. Compassion is the grace of God.
Psalm 103:8 The LORD is compassionate and merciful, slow to get angry and filled
with unfailing love
10:41 am edt 

FinComm

"Fin Com has lost credibility with P'town voters"


To the poster who wrote that - speak for yourself- not me! I'm a voter and I don't think that at
all!Fin Com may have irked the ones that are upset with the membership shake-up
this year or because some don't want to educate the school kids here locally
which smacks of stupidity since it's our obligation to provide for our own and
not shuffle them off to outer Mongolia somewhere!If it used to cost 9 million
before (as someone wrote here before),and it's only costing 3 million now,that's
a bargain.Pay up and stop complaining! You can't have the bldg. for high priced
condos for the nouveau riche' waiting in the wings! A school it was,has been,
and will be forever more,hopefully.
10:36 am edt 

Land's End Inn

The future owners of Land's End Inn came in too introduced themselves
at my gallery.     They take ownership in November and they are a lovely Eastern
European couple; Good news for our community.
10:34 am edt 

3 Million to Keep the School Here in Provincetown

I would much rather pay that 3 million to send the few remaining students
(that 100 figure is about 5 years out of date tho the school continues to use it.
Sure sounds better than the 60 or so kids who are actually in the school).
Back to that 3 million...I would rather see my tax dollars be used to actually
give the few remaining kids a great education.
Cause those poor kids are not being given close to a decent rounded education.
Test scores have repeatedly showed that Provincetown ranks in the lowest
percentile in the State!
Close the school and move the kids to Truro, Wellfleet etc
Where they have a chance at least. Family's with any sense have done it for
years. Face it Provincetown doesn't do childhood education well at all!
Then the Police can use the HS for all it's so important crime fighting.
Let's use the 3 million to give our kids the best education we can and its sure
NOT here!
10:33 am edt 

Re: Close Schools

I dont know why anyone hasnt brought this up
before but   why dont we close the schools and just have the Families here
support us and our fabulous friends who visit us and are just amazed at how
wonderful We are and how so importent we are with all the people who say hello
to us on the street.. why dont we just allow them to take care of and accept us
here. Im sure they would be oh so grateful with our presence here and they dont
need school that bad anyway do they.. I just dont get it, this IS OUR town
afterall isnt it?
10:29 am edt 

FinComm - Establish a Long-term Plan

I personally commend the Finance Committee for pursuing its goal to a
develop a short/long term operating and capital financial plan for the town.
This is what a FinCom should be doing; it is an appropriate role for any FinCom
in the Commonwealth.

The Board of Selectmen and town managers, past and current, have chosen to
operate without the benefit of a plan because it is much easier to make the case
to town voters for each project on a first-come, first-serve basis rather than
showing the total long range financial projection of how much indebtedness the
town will take on and how much taxes will increase.

My plea to the FinCom is to develop this long term financial plan as quickly as
possible; it doesn't have to be perfect, it can be refined over time.

FinCom should should begin to educate voters, with the Board of Selectmen and
the Town Manager, about the total long-term financial plan so that voters can
make informed decisions at town meetings rather than listening to the merits of
an individual project in the absence of a financial plan.

We have to establlish financial priorities as a town in order to be financially
viable for the future.
10:28 am edt 

FinComm

Ugh!If members of the Finance Committee continue to try to set policy,
they must be terminated!

Finance Committee minutes June 28 from Town's Finance Director:

"Im concerned about the agenda being put forward for future meetings. The
direction seems to far exceed
the role of the Finance Committee as defined in the Finance Guide for Town
Officials from the DOR and the
Finance Committee Handbook. The Finance Committee is a committee that monitors
and safeguards the
towns finances, it is not a decision making body, that role belongs to the Board
of Selectmen. As such the
Committee does not have a decision making role regarding the police station, the
Personnel Committee, the
Building Committee or the Pier Corporation.'
10:26 am edt 

FinComm

The below is part of the Finance Committee's minutes. Why are they
deliberating on facebook?????


Finance Committee Opening Meeting Requirements
Discussion: Town counsel advised that when Finance Committee members communicate
or meet with town staff or each other outside posted meetings,
then they may not deliberate. They may ask questions to obtain information,
forexample at a site visit.
10:24 am edt 

Theme Weeks

Honestly, it's like arguing with children.

Well said Mitt Romney.   Since when is this blog a site for arguments vs
opinions?   I guess if you're Mittens, you can always pick an argument.   Now go
back to arguing with children.
10:23 am edt 

FinComm

I think the thing that bothers me about FinCom is the variations in
their logic.  Some would say they are inconsistent, some would say they lie.  I
watched a couple of meetings on PTV and was at their hearing on Thursday night.

At one point they didn't want to do the high school because they wanted
everything to come forward in April.  But, they never questioned the two fire
dept articles.

At one point they didn't want to do the high school because there were more
costs to come and they wanted to decide if they would be better closing the
school.

Then the chair comes out with his 'viewpoint' in the Banner.  But, yet, he never
acknowledges in any meeting that he's sent his opinion to the Banner.  That made
him look two-faced.  The viewpoint was written as the opinion on FinCom, but if
you watch their 10/16 meeting at least one member said he was in favor of going
forward with the entire project now.

And the kicker is statements made on Thursday night as FinCom back peddled as
fast as they could.  We were always in favor of doing the entire project, it was
just how to pay or it.  Seriously, do you think our memory is that short?

Zero credibility.

10:22 am edt 

Dear 'Nutty'

I think you may want to actually talk to other people in town.  FinCom has
alienated a large number of people in town and has lost credibility with most. 
While one brave woman may be out there pointing out their inconsistencies (some
would say lies), there are many others who have the same opinion of the work of
FinCom.
10:19 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re:  "Based on your posts, nobody buys what you're selling during theme
weeks, and the inference is that everyone buys your stuff during non-theme
weeks.  Not sure what you consider a theme week or exactly what you're selling,
splain your logic please."


Really? You want me to "splain" what I wrote even further? What exactly didn't
you understand? First, let me say that you can infer anything you like, that
doesn't mean I wrote it or even implied it. My statements were pretty simple. If
you don't understand what I've posted, I really don't know how much more clear I
can be. Had you read my earlier posts you would know that my business is an art
gallery. That is what I'm selling. I don't see how you came to the decision that
I'm somehow talking out of both sides of my mouth, so I don't really know how to
address that accusation. I can see now why nobody really takes this blog very
seriously. I bring up a topic and get bombarded by ridiculous, uninformed
comments. I guess I give up.

Again, children.
10:16 am edt 

Friday, October 19, 2012

Re: FinComm

Some very Nutty comments Here

Someone has just lost a sense of reality. I think we know who this pathetic
person is but I'll leave it at this.

Maybe a plane ticket to florida will be good for this person and good for us in
her absence.

Just too wacky for me!
10:49 pm edt 

Re: FinComm Vs "You Know Who"

Sounds Like the "you know who" is Posting Here Against Finconn

The statements are nuts so I think once again it is "you know who" posting here. Why
not post on your own problematic facebook, my dear? Let your destructive
thoughts and actions be part of your own blog.

Leave us free of your destructive comments.

I find FinnCom has done a thorough job. they never had a prior agenda, even
though it seems this poster does. they made the decision they did based on
finally getting the figures--good for them and for us.
10:47 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown High School

Quit yer          about the school

Somebody paid for your education and mine. Now it's just our turn to pay for the
next generation.
10:42 pm edt 

Re: Face the Facts

Re: "  .  .Once again, NOBODY SAID theme weeks keep people away; . . ."



Post on October 12  "I hope Women's Week and every other Themed Week are going
to stop.  They are killing this town."

2nd Post on October 12 "Amen! Many people around town have been saying this for
several years. Many tourists try to plan their vacation around the few non-theme
weeks. Do you have any idea how hard that is? Eventually we will lose the
business of tourists who aren't interested in theme weeks."



I thought I'd introduce you to actual facts.  Don't you hate it when facts get
in the way?

Honestly, it's like arguing with children.
10:39 pm edt 

FinComm

FINCOM got outed last night with their true agenda.
10:37 pm edt 

Re: Face the Facts

"People complain about the cost of running the government and the
town..yet they bow down and pay $6,000,000.00 SIX MILLION dollars each and every
year for 100 students."


You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
10:35 pm edt 

FinComm
 
So despite them telling us misinformation about it
increasing Town spending by 8% next year (this week's Banner article by its
chair


It will increase spending by 8%, just not additionally increase taxes as they
are using  lefto over money from over taxing last year
10:34 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

It's like arguing with children.

To the        that talks about both sides of your mouth.  Which is it?   Based
on your posts, nobody buys what you're selling during theme weeks, and the
inference is that everyone buys your stuff during non-theme weeks.  Not sure
what you consider a theme week or exactly what you're selling, splain your logic
please.
10:31 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown High School

Not one of you anti-school cowards showed up at the public hearing
last night to oppose repairing the school!

Find your nightclub and hostel elsewhere as it ain't going to be at the school!
10:27 pm edt 

Re: Face the Facts

People complain about the cost of running the government and the town..yet they
bow down and pay $6,000,000.00 SIX MILLION dollars each and every year for 100
students."

The school budget is just over $3 million.
There are 100 students in the school, but the district pays the cost for all the
other students from Ptown who go to other schools- the 9,10, and 11th graders,
as well as younger children who go to other schools.


9:55 am edt 

Volunteer Fire Department

It's time to start worrying about something real - the volunteer fire
department.   What will sustain this ?   It's certainly not going to be the
people in this town who are barely here and gone in the winter.   This could be
a real cost to the town when it has to start to pay for these services.   First
thank the volunteers and then start to think about who will replace them in the
future.
9:18 am edt 

Want the Facts

It would be helpful if folks could print the links to the acutal source of the
facts rather than just state it.

We use to pay $9,000,000.00 NINE  MILLIOIN A YEAR for our schools! Nine Million
each and every year!
9:16 am edt 

Victory!

The Finance Committee caved tonight and voted unanimously in
favor a repairing the school! So despite them telling us misinformation about it
increasing Town spending by 8% next year (this week's Banner article by its
chair on page 9), there will be NO override as the funds are coming out of free
cash!!!! Fincom,you better learn from this because you have really lost
credibility with Provincetown voters!
9:15 am edt 

Face the Facts

People complain about the cost of running the government and the town..yet they
bow down and pay $6,000,000.00 SIX MILLION dollars each and every year for 100
students.

It is time to shout out to everyone that this is an unconscionable amount of
money to pay for a handful of students.

We need so much more and this money can pay for it. Send these children to
equally good schools--by bus.

Time to stop being held hostage and be called anti child because parents don't
want to be bothered getting their children ready earlier for school.

Keep posting and spreading the word and elect the person who promises to work on
closing the school.
9:13 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "Actually, the thousands of people who come back year after year
might
tend to disagree with you, as well as those who make Provincetown their home."



But, they stay away in droves because of the theme weeks according to the other
poster.

Oh my god. It is absolutely AMAZING to me that someone can be either so
completely thick-headed that they don't understand what is being discussed here,
or totally hell bent on steering the topic in another direction just to stir the
pot. Once again, NOBODY SAID theme weeks keep people away; the point made was
that the specific crowds theme weeks attract do not patronize certain types of
local businesses and are therefore not the financial godsend some believe them
to be.

I guess that's your cue to once again tell me that I need to change the product
I'm selling, despite the fact that it sells very well during most of the season.

It's like arguing with children.
9:11 am edt 

Re: Dear FinCom

I am a registered voter in Provincetown. Live here all year. Own businesses. Own
property. I DO NOT support closing the school.  It's shortsighted and greedy. 
It's not about turning the school roof into a nightclub as a FinCom member was
quoted on Facebook.
9:08 am edt 

Thursday, October 18, 2012

Re: Dear FinCom

I am a registered voter in Provincetown. Live here all year. Own
businesses. Own property. I support closing the school. The Mass Gov website
link on this blog lists total expense for the school system at over 4 million
dollars/ year. There are about 250 total students for the system.
2:43 pm edt 

Re: Dear FinCom

AGREE WITH FIN COM MEMBER ELIMINATE THE SCHOOL


I want that guy to run for selectman so he will close the school. Go from
finance committee to selectman, start now saying no to money for the school
rehab.

Become a selectman and vote to close the school.
Send our students to the other cape schools.
11:22 am edt 

Dear FinCom

Looks like this blew up in your face.  You energized everyone in town against
you and in support of the schools.  When the vice-chair of FinCom says he's
going to run for Selectman he will be known as the candidate who tried to
eliminate the school in Provincetown.
9:50 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"Theme weeks were invented by the PBG"


Not so.   Several theme weeks pre-date the PBG's existence (i.e. Portuguese
Festival, Fantasia Fair, Women's Week, to name a few).   Frankly, the only
"theme week" sponsored by the PBG is Carnival Week, which was created to bring
people to town during a lull in August about 25 or 30 years ago, when the third
week in August was naturally slow.
9:46 am edt 

Re: Marketing Not Needed

"Actually, the thousands of people who come back year after year might
tend to disagree with you, as well as those who make Provincetown their home."


But, they stay away in droves because of the theme weeks according to the other
poster.
9:42 am edt 

Some General Answers to Some Queries

1. Gravestone rubbings actually harm the gravestones and this practice has been
discouraged and indeed BANNED from most cemetaries in the Commonwealth.

B. Get yourself an old iron and some waxed paper. Iron the leaves into the
paper. (Atleast this is the way we used to do this when I was a kid)

3. Sometimes families have valid reasons for shunning an older relative. Simply
being old and infirm does not necessarily resolve past hurts you might have
caused others and then, yes, you wind up old and alone in your time of need. No
one else knows what happens in a home behind closed doors. Be careful of harshly
judging the kids... maybe "mom" was a real B!tc# back in the day.

D. Or perhaps the kids are just selfish losers... why don't you go visit the
lady from your church if you think she is lonely and deserving of company... or
do you only have time to shame the family on here?

5. Do something truely selfless for another person today. It just might help you
not be so bitter about space heaters, theme weeks, other folks families and what
your neighbor does in the winter months.
9:28 am edt 

Re: Marketing Not Needed

Re: "Got a clue for you, Ptown ain't that special.  Visit once, you've
seen it."

Actually, the thousands of people who come back year after year might tend to
disagree with you, as well as those who make Provincetown their home.
8:57 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

". . .They came because we are a beautiful, scenic town with great
beaches, quaint shops and a friendly atmosphere. . ."



Great Beaches?  Check !

Quaint Shops?  Check !

Friendly Atmosphere?  have you read this blog lately?
8:56 am edt 

Town Meeting

We need to vote to pass the articles that will fix the school and buy needed
town vehicles.
8:54 am edt 

New Streets

Celebrate the fact that we are getting a brand new commercial street and
sidewalks in the main section of town.

Congrats to the DPW
8:50 am edt 

Marketing Not Needed

Let's not do any marketing.  We'll just sit back and wait for all
those people to find us and come visit.  Because we're special, we're like
nowhere else,  whoops, that would be marketing.

Got a clue for you, Ptown ain't that special.  Visit once, you've seen it.
7:48 am edt 

Honor Thy Mother & Father

REFLECTION UPON WHOM?

One of our parishoners is a grandmother over 80 years old and is in the hospital
and has to undergo a heart procedure and not one of her children or adult
grandchild, who are all local, can be bothered to be with her in the
hosptial--what does that say about them?

Poor woman: Scared and alone and afraid of what the future may bring; she is
left to face it all alone: Sad commentary if you ask me.

Why even have children? Seems that they are the ones who need to go to church
and learn about honoring their father and mother. At least she will be
remembered here at church.

(AND..Please don't tell me that her children's employers in this town wouldn't
give them the time off to go to the  hospital. If so, they should be boycotted.

Why else wouldn't they want to be with their mother and grandmother at such a
difficult moment in her life?)
7:46 am edt 

Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Art Class Question

I just love the beautiful colors of fall leading into the holidays. 
Can someone please tell me where in town I can find a class teaching the art of
pressed leaves or a class teaching the art of tombstone rubbings?  These items
would make great gifts for Xmas and used to be taught right here, in town.  But
that was 40 years ago.  Nevertheless, they should be offered now.  And with all
the banter about money from theme weeks and lost to space heaters.  Especially
now.
10:25 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "Times are changing and Provincetown needs to constantly re-invent
itself to bring in tourists."



This sounds a lot like the rhetoric of the person who painted a green like down
the middle of Commercial St. and kept telling us how it was necessary to
"re-brand" the town. I think Provincetown has always done OK as a tourist
destination without re-invention or re-branding. If it isn't broke, don't fix
it.
10:22 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"Provincetown needs to constantly re-invent itself to bring in
tourists.  You are one of the few folks I've heard from that thinks theme weeks
are bad for tourism or think that if theme weeks went away we'd be packed all
summer long."



Really? Provincetown needs to re-invent itself to bring in tourists? Since
when?? Tourists have been coming here since the 30s and 40s, possibly even
earlier. They came because we are a beautiful, scenic town with great beaches,
quaint shops and a friendly atmosphere. People have ALWAYS come here and I'd
love to hear you try to convince the readers of this blog that there was a time
when they stopped coming and the town was rescued financially by theme weeks.
You can't because you know as well as I do that it's not the case. Theme weeks
were invented by the PBG (of which I'm sure you are a member) to stuff their own
pockets. They were invented by greedy business owners who just weren't satisfied
with the normal summer windfall of cash.

Provincetown needs to constantly re-invent itself? Absolutely ludicrous.
4:56 pm edt 

Banner Article

Just reading the Banner and not surprised to see that there is pending
litigation against the town for the injuires and subsequent death of poor Jim
Parker. I was surprised NOT to read about an additonal alleged connection
between Mr Parker's death and his job.
3:57 pm edt 

Re: Kudos to the Library Staff

"If you want to heat a very small area it's much more
efficient to use a small space heater than to crank on the big boiler and heat
the entire space"


If that were true, they'd be in much wider use.
3:55 pm edt 

Re: Kudos to the Library Staff

"You must be joking. Space heaters are super expensive to run and they
are not efficient--they do not heat the air, they heat objects and people . . ."



You must be joking.  If you want to heat a very small area it's much more
efficient to use a small space heater than to crank on the big boiler and heat
the entire space.  Check out the latest in space heaters, actually quite
efficient and not expensive.
4:20 pm edt 

Re: Kudos to the Library Staff

You must be joking. Space heaters are super expensive to run and they are not
efficient--they do not heat the air, they heat objects and people. A horrid
waste of money. Get the real heater fixed.
3:32 pm edt 

Banner - FinComm - Public Hearing

I'm confused.  According to town web site FinCom is having a public
hearing on the town meeting articles on Thursday night.  But, there's a
Viewpoint in this week's banner from the Finance committee chair saying they've
already decided not to recommend the article to repair the high school.

Why bother asking for public input if you have already decided?
3:30 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"Are you getting it? Give me the good old days when there were NO
themes and the town was packed all summer long."


I'm not the original poster, but I don't think you get it.  Times are changing
and Provincetown needs to constantly re-invent itself to bring in tourists.  You
are one of the few folks I've heard from that thinks theme weeks are bad for
tourism or think that if theme weeks went away we'd be packed all summer long. 
Some theme weeks work better for me than others do, but not everything in town
has to done to benefit me.
11:29 am edt 

Year Rounders Festival

Hello! We are looking for people to come on to a committee for the
year rounders festival, for volunteers of all types and for input/suggestions
about the event.  If you would like to be involved or have any suggestions about
the year rounders festival please either go to the facebook page (provided
below) or you can email me at
vidaroseh@gmail.com

Thank you!
Vida Hamnquist


https://www.facebook.com/groups/ProvincetownYearRounders/
11:24 am edt 

Re: Library -"Why?"

Re: "Why?  After paying for an $8 mil renovation do we have space
heaters in the reading room??"

Egads! You'll have to wear mittens when you pass the Grey Poupon.
11:21 am edt 

High School as Hostel - Great Idea!

Lets run with this...no more development. Lets do this for foreign workers. Send
the kids to other schools and save us millions
11:17 am edt 

I Think There is Reverse Thinking in This Town

Wrong way Corrigan. Wrong thinking and the inability to say NO and then No to
this absurd proposals. Too weak-kneed? Too unsure to say NO? Just try practicing
NO and then No for a few times each day. This will help you regain your town and
stop these hugely funded on town payer backs one project after another.
11:15 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "I find it hard to believe that it would be more beneficial to the
town, let alone anyone, without the Bears or some of the other theme weeks. 
Bears touch every
aspect of our local economy, including retail and
entertainment."

Yeah, this sounds like the ranting of a bear (or bear afficianado) who is
unjustifiably offended and a bit defensive. Sweetie, the post wasn't a dig at
bears. It's a criticism of theme weeks in general. Yeah, the numbers may be high
but there could be a million people in town and if they aren't spending money,
what's the point? And just because they patronize YOUR restaurant or guesthouse,
don't assume they're keeping the whole town afloat financially. Some of us do
pretty poorly during theme weeks.

Here are some examples:

-FAMILY WEEK - probably not as good for the bars as some other weeks

-MEMORIAL DAY - everyone knows these young girls bring their own beer and don't
eat in high end restaurants.

-BEARS - we've already established that they're not huge art buyers

-WOMENS WEEK - great bunch of gals, but they're looking for discounts and
bargains

-ROUND-UP - Oh yeah, the bars just LOVE this crowd

Are you getting it? Give me the good old days when there were NO themes and the
town was packed all summer long.





11:13 am edt 

Re: Library

Re: "Why?  After paying for an $8 mil renovation do we have space
heaters in the reading room??"




Probably the same reason I use them in my home this time of year.  I don't need
the furnace on to heat the entire house, I just want to 'take the chill out of
air' and use a space heater to do it.

Sorry, I know you want to make it some big horrible occurrence, but it's
actually quite smart of them.  Kudos to the library staff.
11:06 am edt 

Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Re: Taxes Support Our Town ...


"Get it straight.  There is a whole lot of federal money being spread around
throughout towns in this country..."



Re: Convert High School to the Police Station ...

"Get it straight-- the high school will continue to house students..."



Golly gee whiz.  Maybe there should be a position of "Blog Repeat Rebuttal
Master Extraordinaire" for the blog and a prize every month.  Please do
something more productive with your vast knowledge of all things Ptown, like run
the town.  Get it straight that your repetitive rants about how perfect and
straight everything is are boring and unconvincing.
3:40 pm edt 

Re: Charter Schools

How do we make the last, extremely expensive school into a charter
school? We would save a fortune and probably have a much better school. Do we
get rid of the superintendent position if it is a charter school?
3:37 pm edt 

Theme Weeks

Are you saying that your business does better when there are no theme weeks?

I've got news for you, with 10,000 Bears in town over Bear Week, the town could
not do much better because that's near capacity.   And, even though your
business might not benefit directly from the Bears because they don't buy
paintings at your gallery, have you heard of the watershed effect????   I can
assure you that the economic infusion into this town as a result of the Bears,
and many other theme weeks for that matter, benefit everyone in this town,
either directly or indirectly.  If any more people came during Bear Week, the
town would not have the capacity to handle more visitors, and I find it hard to
believe that it would be more beneficial to the town, let alone anyone, without
the Bears or some of the other theme weeks.  Bears touch every aspect of our
local economy, including retail and entertainment.
2:44 pm edt 

Re: Taxes Support Our Town

"We are getting millions upon millions to upgrade our town from our
streets to our sewers to our new wells for water.The whole town is going to
benefit."
Yes, and we're all paying for it. Who are you kidding?
WAKE UP!
We're not "getting" anything. Who do you think pays for all of these grants?
Romney?
No, dear... YOU are paying for all of this stuff... in one way or another."


Get it straight.  There is a whole lot of federal money being spread around
throughout towns in this country.  Whatever that amount is will be spent with or
without Provincetown getting some.  Because the town has excellent leadership,
they've managed to get at least our fair share of the pot of money.  Yes, we're
paying for it, but we were going to pay whether the money came to Provincetown
or went to Omaha.  At least when we're paying our taxes we're seeing results.


2:42 pm edt 

Re: Convert High School to the Police Station

"Isn't the High School being closed anyway, and your idea is what exactly?  Sell
it, gut it, or better yet, renovate it, sell it, then gut it."


NO, THE HIGH SCHOOL IS NOT BEING CLOSED.  How many times do you have to hear
this?  The elementary students were moved to the high school, so that building
houses pre-K through 8th grade and the senior class.
The former elementary school was vacated and re-organized to create space for
the Council on Aging and the Rec Department.  This makes sense.  The COA can use
the cafeteria for their senior lunches and programs, and use classrooms for
private consultations and other business for seniors, including small group
activities.  The Rec Department uses some of the classrooms and the gym, as well
as the outdoor play space.
Get it straight-- the high school will continue to house students.  It will not
be sold for condos, turned into a police station, razed for private properties,
or turned into a ghost house.  It's a SCHOOL.
2:39 pm edt 

Re: Reverse Mortgages

I read that whole article in the NY Times, and I recalled an important paragraph
right near the beginning that you somehow overlooked when posting:

"Used correctly, reverse mortgages can be a valuable tool for seniors to stay in
their homes and gain access to money needed for retirement. Seniors who have
built up equity in their homes can borrow against a percentage of that and take
out a lump sum or a line of credit. The loan doesnt have to be repaid until the
homeowner moves out or dies..."

I guess your purpose wasn't to give the truthful balanced picture.  The article
focused on some who didn't do their homework before getting a reverse mortgage,
but most people with them are quite happy - not so much their heairs, of course. 
That wouldn't be you, would it?

2:36 pm edt 

Reverse Mortgages

Lots of folks are doing it. My accountant says NO--unless I'm 85 years old. I
guess that if my house was worth $3 Million and I'm 85 years old..I won't
outlive the money.

These folks around here are 62 years old and jumping on it. They have to use the
repair men, the trades men etc. that are on a list that the bank has.

You can't have your carpenter grandson come and put windows in for you or put on
a roof for you. We already have a small bungaloo in a very inexpensive place
that we rent out and when the time comes we are selling our property here and
moving there.

I want total control of my money--I don't want to be told who to hire.

Remember: If it is too good to be true--then it is.
2:33 pm edt 

Library

Why?  After paying for an $8 mil renovation do we have space heaters in the
reading room??
2:31 pm edt 

Convert High School to Hostel

Another suggestion to be made is to make a Hostel in the High School
if it must close or be sold. That's better than condos  for the priveleged! It's
not "riff-raff" that travel via hostels. They're good and kind people who can't
afford to go to other beautiful place such as this where prices are so
prohibitive and out of reach for the working class people.
2:30 pm edt 

The Horror of Reverse Mortages- New York Times

The very loans that are supposed to help seniors stay in their homes are in many
cases pushing them out.

Reverse mortgages, which allow homeowners 62 and older to borrow money against
the value of their homes and not pay it back until they move out or die, have
long been fraught with problems. But federal and state regulators are
documenting new instances of abuse as smaller mortgage brokers, including former
subprime lenders, flood the market after the recent exit of big banks and as
defaults on the loans hit record rates.

Some lenders are aggressively pitching loans to seniors who cannot afford the
fees associated with them, not to mention the property taxes and maintenance.
Others are wooing seniors with promises that the loans are free money that can
be used to finance long-coveted cruises, without clearly explaining the risks.
Some widows are facing eviction after they say they were pressured to keep their
name off the deed without being told that they could be left facing foreclosure
after their husbands died.


There are many of the same red flags, including explosive growth and the fact
that these loans are often peddled aggressively without regard to suitability,
said Lori Swanson, the Minnesota attorney general, who is working on reforming
the reverse mortgage market.

Joan Serioux-Forde, 72, thought that she couldnt feel more devastated after her
husband, Christopher, died last year. Then, roughly a month after the funeral,
she received a letter from Generation Mortgage, a reverse mortgage lender,
informing her that unless she paid $293,000, she would lose her home in San
Bernardino, Calif. Ms. Forde said she was never informed that if she wasnt on
the reverse mortgage deed, she would have virtually no right to stay in her home
unless she bought it outright. Its a nightmare, she said. Generation Mortgage
declined to comment.

Although the numbers of reverse mortgages have declined in recent years, the
rate of default is at a record high  roughly 9.4 percent of loans, according to
the consumer protection bureau, up from around 2 percent a decade earlier. And
borrowers are putting their nest eggs at risk by increasingly taking out the
loans at younger ages and in lump sums, federal data and a recent bureau report
show.

The loan doesnt have to be repaid until the homeowner moves out or dies, but
borrowers still have to pay property taxes, maintenance and insurance.


Since the financial crisis, the reverse mortgage market has been in flux,
dampened by a drop in property values, complaints about the loans and the recent
departure of big lenders. Originations backed by the federal government peaked
at about 115,000 in 2007 and totaled about 51,000 loans last year.

MetLife was the latest major player to exit the market, in April. That followed
the departure last year of the two biggest reverse mortgage lenders, Bank of
America and Wells Fargo, which cited falling housing prices and difficulty
assessing borrowers ability to repay the loans.

Officials at the bureau, which issued a report on the industry in June, said
they heard from a number of seniors who claimed that lenders encouraged them to
make their older spouses the sole borrower on the loan. The brokers earn more
money when they make larger loans with the older spouse as the only borrower.

Some surviving spouses complained that brokers told them they could be added
later, but they were not. The bureau says those seniors are at greater risk of
losing their homes. The complaints, according to elder-care advocates and
federal officials, have been rising during the past year, although there are no
exact numbers.

Linda McMahon, a 65-year-old widow, watched helplessly as the locks were changed
on her home in St. Croix Falls, Wis., last month. She said that in 2005, when
her husband was 82 and she was 58, a mortgage broker from Wells Fargo promised
her that she could add her name to the mortgage once she turned 62. That never
happened because that year, in 2009, she didnt have time to deal with it as her
husbands health quickly deteriorated and he died from a heart condition, she
said. Soon, she was unable to pay any of the property taxes and insurance. I am
devastated, said Ms. McMahon, who is retired, living on Social Security income
and now renting an apartment.

In a lump sum arrangement, the interest charges are added each month, and over
time the total debt owed can far surpass the original loan.

Brokers earn higher fees on these loans and even more money when they sell the
loans into the secondary market, where they can get rates nearly double those
for variable loans, according to rate sheets obtained by the consumer bureau.

Some 70 percent of reverse mortgages are taken in lump sums, up from 3 percent
in 2008, according to the bureau. When seniors use the money to pay off other
debts, especially right before retirement or early into it, that can leave them
with scarce resources to pay their property taxes and insurance.

Ms. Forde, who lives in fear of losing her San Bernardino home, said she could
not afford to save her house by paying the full $293,000 debt. Now, she said,
she spends much of her day standing guard by the window. Her home is already in
foreclosure proceedings. With a wavering voice, she said: I have nowhere to go.
More From New York Times

    Q
7:12 am edt 

Monday, October 15, 2012

Re: Taxes Support Our Town

"We are getting millions upon millions to upgrade our town from our
streets to our sewers to our new wells for water.The whole town is going to
benefit."



Yes, and we're all paying for it. Who are you kidding?

WAKE UP!

We're not "getting" anything. Who do you think pays for all of these grants?
Romney?

No, dear... YOU are paying for all of this stuff... in one way or another.

11:38 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "Are you saying that your business does better when there are no
theme weeks?  How very selfish of you to only consider your business.  I'm sure
that the town would be quite comfortable with fewer galleries and more
restaurants and commercial ventures."


Oh, right. If something benefits me that's me being selfish. If it benefits you,
it's for the good of the town.

Maybe you shouldn't be quite so sure the town would be comfortable with fewer
galleries and more restaurants. There are those (tourists and townies alike) who
love art and regard Provincetown's long artistic history with much respect.
People who believe art is (believe it or not) more important than yet another
lobster roll.
11:36 pm edt 

St. Mary's Art Auction

Bravo! I was one of the lucky bidders and now am a proud owner of an original
piece of art by a local artist!
11:34 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

I agree. Get ride of jobs that aren't really necessary.

The upcoming town meeting will be an interesting one. Townies have had
enough....

11:33 pm edt 

Please, Please the Days of a Charter School are Over

This could have been five years ago or was it six when the three day community
involvement occurred. the plans were ready and the community and business
leaders were involved and would have created a plan for a charter school. but
the school committee was so afraid of losing power--power that would inevitably
be lost given the end of the high school--did nothing. they never called anyone.
they never acted on the pomises of people attending this intense and great
meeting/seminar/workshop/conference.

Nothing happened. and the days when anyone could call of these people together
for three d ays is long gone.

either put the police department in the high school or sell it. Put the
elementary kids back in the elementary school where they should be and should
return. It was built and renovated for them. Put them back there and then use
the high school for new purposes. and forget about spending $1.5 million to
repoint the school. this makes no sense. but it will make much money for the
same architects who renovated town hall, the library and now the high school.

No. it's over and we should keep the money in our pockets and not hand it over
to Mark Almeda Architects, part of the old group. I don't know about you but I'm
tired of being the pig trough for the Boston architects. Time to find another
sucker town to mesmerize and screw. Wake up and smell the trough!!
11:30 pm edt 

Re: Charter Schools

".  .  .A Cape tip charter school w/academics and specialized art
classes could be attractive.  Some families on the lower cape are probably fed
up with the one option of Nauset.  .  ."



Families from outside of Provincetown will never send their children here. 
Anytime a tough decision has to be made the quick easy answer is close the
school, send the kids to . . .

Many of the vocal minority on this blog are unwilling to commit to the education
for Provincetown's children, why would they be crazy enough to commit their
children to us?
11:27 pm edt 

Millions Upon Millions

Yes we pay taxes--but we are getting millions upon millions to improve the town
in grant money. Our lives here are bountiful because of where we live.

We need to pay taxes to support our town employees--our town workers and to keep
up our buildings. We had to pay for all of the largess that we see about us--it
would be impossible to render such funds to the town from our pockets.

All that is asked of us is that we pay our taxes for the operation of the
town--and it is all to our benefit!
11:25 pm edt 

Re: Shut the Schools

Re: Isn't the High School being closed anyway, and your idea is what
exactly?


The high school is closed effective June 2013.  The high school building is now
the home to Provincetown Schools through the 8th grade.  The building itself is
not being sold nor are there any plans to do so in the future.

Contrary to the mis-information you may be reading on this blog.
11:23 pm edt 

Re: Shut the Schools

Can the person or person(s) posting about closing the schools and use the High
School as the Police station stop these rants. We have children in the community
and they need a place to learn an education! The entire high school is now the
"home" of our youth. We need to keep our youth and educate them here as long as
we can. We have already  eliminated the high school classes,cut back and have
moved offices/buildings etc. which have all been approved by Town Meeting. If
you want to change it, be a big boy or big girl and sponsor an Article yourself
on Town Meeting floor and make your case. That is called democracy and if you
yourself don't have a high school grade education then stop posting your
ridiculous rants.

A taxpayer, business owner, a BA and a graduate degree above that, who gets it!!
I am also a washashore and have owned property here and paid taxes since 1985!!
11:21 pm edt 

Re: Charter School

"I like the Charter idea, at least it's original."

This idea has been kicked around for years.  One huge problem is logistics: the
vast majority of the Cape's student population lives too far to be bused here
and back every day.  And hard to see parents opting for live-in arrangements
here, even if we wanted to spend the fortune it would take to accomplish that.
11:18 pm edt 

Re: Taxpayers Deserve a Break

"Cape Cod Times: Meanwhile the Capes most expensive school
district--Provincetown--increased its cost per pupil from $29,119 in FY10 to a
stunning $31,294 in FY11."


This really IS stunning. Average of all Mass. school districts is $13,361.

I've never heard anyone knowledgeable claim our school here is up to the state
average in quality, let alone the best, so don't say I'm anti-student.  They
deserve better and taxpayers deserve a break.
11:16 pm edt 

Re: Do Not Vote For a New Police Station

"The reason I am asking you to vote any proposal for a new Police Station down is
because I was told not too long ago what the Police Chief did to the Janitor
besides force him into an early retirement.

The Police Chief never involved the Janitor in any discussions regarding the new
station, never told him what was going on, never showed him the specs on the new
police station, had the architecs (not sure I spelled that right), come to the
station to meet with the Officers on the Janitors day off, had PTV be showned
the alledged problem areas by his Secretary and Animal Control Officer again on
his day off. All this was done while the Janitor was still employed. That is
nasty..."



I'm not often shocked by the ridiculous statements made on this blog, but this
one really got to me.  I have never in my professional career, both in a city
and on Cape, heard of architects (correct spelling) requesting input from a
janitor.
You say vote down the building 'because of what the Chief did to the Janitor.' 
I expected to hear that the Chief beat the Janitor with his billy club or
threatened him at gunpoint.  Instead you say to vote down a much-needed building
because a maintenance person wasn't involved in the design.  That passes the
height of absurdity and reaches a whole new stratosphere of crazy.
So what if the janitor knew what problems were in the old building? It doesn't
take a rocket scientist (or a janitor) to see that the building was made of
sub-standard materials, is too small, and totally not efficient. The issue was
that we need a new police station.  The people who should be involved with the
design are the chief, the key staff who use the facility, and the architects. 
The janitor is responsible for maintaining whatever the facility turns out to
be.

I'm sure if you look at the union contract you won't find 'designs new
buildings' in the job description to which union members cling so tightly.
Grow up.  That is not mistreatment, it is managing a project.
11:12 pm edt 

Re: Taxes Support Our Town

"We are getting millions upon millions to upgrade our town from our
streets to our sewers to our new wells for water.The whole town is going to
benefit. A large section of Commercial Street is going to be brand spanking
new!! We as citizens pay our taxes that support this town. It is a privilege as
well as an obligation!"



To the above poster, the projects you mention were each paid for by stimulus
dollars from the FEDERAL government. No one believes we will ever get that kind
of federal money again.
3:58 pm edt 

Re: Convert High School to the Police Station

"That's an awesome idea.  Then we can just put our 100+ students in the
street.  Or maybe we can use the town hall auditorium as a big one-room
schoolhouse like
in the 19th century.  That seems to be compatible with your ideas."



Isn't the High School being closed anyway, and your idea is what exactly?  Sell
it, gut it, or better yet, renovate it, sell it, then gut it.  More condos,
sweet.  But wait, won't the 100+ students be out in the street then too?  I like
the Charter idea, at least it's original.  A Cape tip charter school w/academics
and specialized art classes could be attractive.  Some families on the lower
cape are probably fed up with the one option of Nauset.  Local artists could
participate.  I don't know the logistics of how it would be done, but other
towns on the Cape have them and they are very popular.  I think a new one is
being built now in Hyannis.
3:55 pm edt 

Taxes Support Our Town

We are getting millions upon millions to upgrade our town from our streets to
our sewers to our new wells for water.

The whole town is going to benefit. A large section of Commercial Street is
going to be brand spanking new!!

We as citizens pay our taxes that support this town. It is a priviledge as well
as an obligation!

People who own homes and live in our bleakest cities pay taxes. We live on the
lap of the Atlantic Ocean. The sea breeze and the waves are our neighbors!
Whales and dolphins live in our midst.

Everyone property owner in the land pays taxes and so do we. Be grateful for
where you live. vote for all of the things that will improve this town and lives
of the folks who work here and serve and protect us here.
3:29 pm edt 

Build New Buildings

We need to maintain our buildings and build new ones. You try to cram a family
of 8 into a studio apartment. That is what you are trying to do with out police
department

Try to jam 3 snow plows into your garage--that is what you are doing to the DPW.
There is no space for our machinery. It is decrepit and rusted and broken down.
It can't be repaired.

Vote to buy new machinery so our workers can do their job making the town BETTER
FOR US.
2:47 pm edt 

Re: My Hours Were Cut

This didn't come out right. The point is that my hours were cut, I'm making less
money due to the economy, but it is still my responsibility to pay my taxes and
I do so willingly because look at all of the major improvements in my life here!

The whole infrastructure has been rejouvenated! There is a tremendous band for
the buck in this town!

We have a new library, town hall, water system, roads and sidewalks, sewer
system--and years and years of upgraded living ahead!

Fe,Fi,Fo,Fum on all of the negative Nancies out there who complain because
things need to be maintained and upgraded. It is called LIFE. Do you only
painting the trim on your house once every 20 years? Do you only change the oil
in your car every 5 years? NO--you maintain.

2:45 pm edt 

Re:Convert High School to the Police Station

"I support this idea.  Why spend millions on a brand new station when the town
already owns the perfect base structure with a prime central location, parking
room for all official and unofficial vehicles involved, interior space enough
for multiple training areas, jail cells, holding pens, processing areas, kitchen
facilities, classrooms for officers and trainees, office space, rooms that could
be available for public safety programs, rooms for outreach and supportive
services, a storm shelter, all under the same roof.  There could even be a gym
for officers so they can stay fit when not on duty."


That's an awesome idea.  Then we can just put our 100+ students in the street. 
Or maybe we can use the town hall auditorium as a big one-room schoolhouse like
in the 19th century.  That seems to be compatible with your ideas.

2:43 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

"I would gladly put an end to Bear Week. Yeah, there's ten thousand
people here,
but they aren't buying art in my gallery and I've heard the same from many, many
other gallery owners. It's a perfect illustration of what another poster said:
they may patronize bars and restaurants and sure, they fill guesthouses (which
is all the PBG cares about) but the people here for Bear Week don't buy art or
high end retail, so our businesses suffer that week. You can deny this all you
want and try to tell me your gallery does a booming business during Bear Week,
but you and I both know it isn't true."


If you take away 10,000 tourists, how do you make up the income lost to all the
businesses? Are you saying that your business does better when there are no
theme weeks?  How very selfish of you to only consider your business.  I'm sure
that the town would be quite comfortable with fewer galleries and more
restaurants and commercial ventures.
2:41 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"Schools should be regionalize.  The Police also.
I hope the Building Committe includes the study on regionalizing our police.
Think of all the money we would really save!"



It's not the Building Committee's job to consider regionalizing the police.  And
do you really want to wait 25 minutes for a response in an emergency situation
because the police are in Truro?  With an influx of tourists (many of whom drink
to excess) exceeding 75,000 some weeks, the environment can turn volatile in a
moment.  You need a strong police presence to keep this town, its residents, its
visitors, and its reputation safe.

2:39 pm edt 

Re: Town Meeting - Vote NO!

"Town meeting in 2 weeks! Show-up and vote no on any new property tax
overrides. Fire the superintendent of schools to pay for the repairs. What the
heck does she do for $125,000/year?"


According to the 2011 town Annual Report, the Superintendent made $60,000.07. 
Don't just make up numbers to inflame the masses.  Be a responsible adult and
get the facts.  Or do facts not matter to you?
2:37 pm edt 

Re: Close the School

"Why does a school of about 130 children have a superintendent,
principal, vice pricipal and the secretary associated with these positions? We
could probably save $400,000/year by getting rid of them all and have a pricipal
that also is a teacher."



It's PRINCIPAL. Maybe if you'd gone to school here you could spell the word. 
Before you eliminate positions that you can't spell, maybe you should ask for
job descriptions and find out what the various people do.  I'm sure that there's
more than enough work for 4 people with 130 students to manage.
And a principal running a school of 130 and still teaching is ridiculous.  Are
you one of those people who think that teachers don't do anything and that
anyone can teach?  NOT TRUE.

2:35 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"Let's face it. The complexion of our community has changed.

No longer are there families with children moving to town."



This is not true.  If you pay attention you will see people with small children. 
Maybe they haven't just moved here, but Provincetown residents have children,
and they deserve the respect that you or your children received.
2:32 pm edt 

Re: Ship These Kids Out

"I Would Ship These Kids Out of Here

they would do well and would better understand diversity. There are too few of
them as there were too few high school students. Rmember when the numbers when
down and down and down?

Same scenario. Get them out and help these students gain a life and a career."


Yes, because the average third grader is worried about their career.  What
better town to teach diversity than Provincetown?
2:29 pm edt 

"Re: "Why is Every Crazy Idea Picked up and Supported by Town Hall"

"Sorry, but what is wrong with them? How many other crazzy, rather dumb idea,
will be picked up by them and supported?

This has gone beyond stupid. It is mad and just nuts."


Be specific.  What crazy, rather dumb ideas has the town adopted?  It seems to
me that the town is doing better than ever.  Are you bitter because you are one
of the former people in power who screwed up this town so that now everything
must be repaired?
2:27 pm edt 

Re: Redirect School Millions

"We spend millions on the school Each Year. Close the school, pay to
transport
the few dozen students and put the rest of the money towards needed repairs,
accounts for future retirements, and municipal projects.

We spend millions every year for the staff and the building--end the madness."



There are more than 100 students attending PPS, and the town buses dozens more
to other schools.  The town has to pay other school district for those
children's education, so it's not just a matter of cost of transporting them.
Just face it- you either didn't have children or your children are out of
school, so you don't care about anyone else.  How selfish and short-sighted.
2:24 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

"And while I'm thinking about it, some of the town's staff might be
eliminated as we regionalize, which will save taxpayers even more. Why do we need the same
amount of accounting staff that we had when the town ran the Manor?  With fewer
parking lot employees on the payroll, there may be an opportunity to streamline
some of the payroll functions."



Just because there are several employees fewer doesn't mean that the payroll
process is any easier for a business or town.  There are fewer checks being cut,
but the accounting process is the same whether there's 10 or 1000.

2:22 pm edt 

Re: My Hours Were Cut

The poster makes a very good point, we are getting literally millions of dollars
of Infrastructure upgrades paid for by other people's money through the now
waning federal stimulus response to the Great Recession. The least we can do is
to pony up $1.5 million to properly maintain our own buildings. As Warren Buffet
says about ethics, how would you feel if it was on the front of the newspaper? 
"MA resort town takes millions in federal money but refuses to shell out money
to maintain town-owned facilities."
2:20 pm edt 

Re: Ship These Kids Out

With a post like, that do I need to enforce the issue of closing the schools
more emphatically? Look how well some have turned out????
2:18 pm edt 

State Spending Per Pupil

Provincetown spends more that twice the level as the most expensive
state. It is possible that the Provincetown Provincetown Schools are the most
expensive in the country


D.C. public schools spent the most per pupil of any state in 2010, $18,667. The
District of Columbia was followed by New York ($18,618), New Jersey ($16,841),
Alaska ($15,783), Vermont ($15,274) and Wyoming ($15,169).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/public-school-spending-sh_n_1619569.htm

Meanwhile the Capes most expensive school district--Provincetown--increased its
cost per pupil from $29,119 in FY10 to a stunning $31,294 in FY11.
http://www.capecodtoday.com/news/headlines/2012/08/03/orleans-provincetown-schools-are-cape-mo
2:05 pm edt 

St. Mary of the Harbor Art & Spirit Auction

Kudos to those who came out and placed bids and bought the work of local artists
to benefit the beneficiaries of St. Mary's generosity. While compared to last
year there were many fewer attendees and bidders and many fewer sales of
original works by local struggling artists, it was heartening to see the
generosity of spirit and art in the community. Many of the artists were from
beyond Provincetown: Truro, Wellfleet, Dennis and elsewhere. Perhaps next year
more people will respond and take advantage of the opportunity to acquire
quality art at affordable prices the sales of which benefit the local charities
that make Provincetown a better place to live. Congratulations to the lucky
Buyers and thanks to those who participated by donating their work.
2:02 pm edt 

I'm Confused

Why can't the HS be turned into a popular "charter school" and kids from Orleans
down be bussed to us?  Charter schools are gaining popularity.  With a strong
"arts" program, this seems a strong option.  I'm sure there will be rebuttals,
but just think about it.  Why can't we become the educational destination with a
"Charter" school offering original and unique programs?
2:00 pm edt 

Do Not Vote For a New Police Station

The reason I am asking you to vote any proposal for a new Police Station down is
because I was told not too long ago what the Police Chief did to the Janitor
besides force him into an early retirement.

The Police Chief never involved the Janitor in any discussions regarding the new
station, never told him what was going on, never showed him the specs on the new
police station, had the architecs (not sure I spelled that right), come to the
station to meet with the Officers on the Janitors day off, had PTV be showned
the alledged problem areas by his Secretary and Animal Control Officer again on
his day off. All this was done while the Janitor was still employed. That is
nasty.

The Janitor was in that building for 26 years, if anyone knew what the alledged
problems were or are with that building, the Janitor did. So as far as I am
concerned the Chief got rid of him to silence him or to avoid anyone from asking
him any questions. This way the Chief could involve the ones whom he could
control. Also, why wouldn't the Chief involve him ? What a better person than
the Janitor who knows the In's and Out's of the building. to help convince the
tax payers.He didn't and instead convinced the Town Manager to help get rid of
him. They did that by threatening to eliminate his job if he did not agree to
clean the Police Station and the old Vets School with a $4,000 cut in pay.
1:58 pm edt 

Paying Fair Share on Unfair Projects is Wrong

We pay fair share what reasonable projects not one mega project after another.
and fixing the high school is more than ridiculous. I'd pay if there were high
school students and a viable high school. But there is not. Send the elementary
kids back to the elementary school or send to Truro.

Close the high school and sell it. Let the developers pay for the repairs.
1:54 pm edt 

Sunday, October 14, 2012

Can You Help?

Can anyone tell me how I can watch P-town diery documentry on you
tube?  it only shows trailers from what I see
10:01 pm edt 

Re: Ship These Kids Out

Ya teach them Diversity somplace else, how
dear these kids learn acceptence at such a young age and have the courege to
actually live it in their lives.  The children in this town should go to school
somwhere else like Nauset (oh by the way did you know that Nauset refused to
sign the right not to hate bill that went around a few years ago?  you didnt  I
didnt think so)  let them learn to hate and not accept people because of their
apperence, back round, family history, or   ok here it comes   THEIR SEXUAL
PREFRENCE!!!   What is wrong with people thinking that it is good to have a
great bunch of teachers (not all) working with our kids to give them a great
future I say send them away and lets save money on our taxes...and dont get me
started on those people who apose OUR dog park  where would these dogs be with
out nthat dog park??  I shutter to think
9:58 pm edt 

My Hours Were Cut

My hours were cut--all of our hours were cut last year where I work. Let it be
town wide. My taxes haven't gone down.

We need to maintain the town just like I need to maintain my house. It is the
cost of doing business, so to speak.

Wake up taxpayers--we need to pay for repairs, new building etc. Grow up and be
responsible. You are getting a new sewer system, a new water infrastructure and
a new road. Pay your fair share, vote the overrides and do what is best for the
entire town.

I'm willing to pay my fair share and not put this on the back of my children.
10:43 am edt 

Re: Regionalization - Reduced Staff Unlikely

". . .some of the town's staff might be eliminated as we regionalize,
which will save taxpayers even more. Why do we need the same amount of
accounting staff that we had when the town ran the Manor?  With fewer
parking lot employees on the payroll, there may be an opportunity to streamline
some of the payroll functions. . ."


I don't see us reducing staff for quite some time.  Every time they attempted to
reduce staff this blog squeals like pigs.

*Change BOS secretary to part-time - went down in flames.
*Decrease the parking staff - how dare they terminate grandma and cause her to
lose her unemployment.
*End the free ride for the police janitor - why you going after the poor guy.

No wonder they seldom attempt to decrease staff.  The only staff this town had
no problem terminating were school teachers and what a pathetic commentary that
is about our priorities.
9:02 am edt 

Repair the School Building

The high school needs $1.5M in repairs.  The FinCom and some posters
want to close the school and sell the building.  Either way we are going to have
to pay to repair the building.  A buyer is going to offer $1.5M less if he/she
knows the building needs that much in repairs.

Repair the building and keep the kids in town.  Our children's education should
not be only about the money.
9:25 am edt 

Police Station and DPW Building

The building committee is on the right track it seems. Even the FinCom realizes
that we need this new police station and DPW building. Lets vote yes and get the
process started.
9:23 am edt 

Redirect School Millions

We spend millions on the school Each Year. Close the school, pay to transport
the few dozen students and put the rest of the money towards needed repairs,
accounts for future retirements, and municipal projects.

We spend millions every year for the staff and the building--end the madness.
9:22 am edt 

No New Overrides

"Town meeting in 2 weeks! Show-up and vote no on any new property tax
overrides."


Yes, vote no and push building maintenance cost down the road on our children. 
It's what our parents did to us, let's do it to our kids too.
9:19 am edt 

Why is Every Crazy Idea Picked up and Supported by Town Hall

Sorry, but what is wrong with them? How many other crazzy, rather dumb idea,
will be picked up by them and supported?

This has gone beyond stupid. It is mad and just nuts.
9:18 am edt 

I Would Ship These Kids Out of Here

they would do well and would better understand diversity. There are too few of
them as there were too few high school students. Rmember when the numbers when
down and down and down?

Same scenario. Get them out and help these students gain a life and a career.
9:16 am edt 

A Non-Factual Argument

"This discussion is much ado about nothing, if FinCom thinks they are
going to decide to close the school they would be wise to realize it's not their
decision to make."



FinCom isn't talking about anything of the sort. Were do you all get this stuff?
It seems one person makes something up and then everyone piles on? Or is one
person posting over and over again.
9:14 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

Let's face it. The complexion of our community has changed.

No longer are there families with children moving to town.

Deaths far exceed births, according to the town report. The only increase has
been marriages, the majority of which are same sex couples.

Those who live in the past will be passed by if they fail to recognize how
planning for the future requires an introspective point of view.

Majority rules at the ballot box.

And while I'm thinking about it, some of the town's staff might be eliminated as
we regionalize, which will save taxpayers even more. Why do we need the same
amount of accounting staff that we had when the town ran the Manor?  With fewer
parking lot employees on the payroll, there may be an opportunity to streamline
some of the payroll functions.

Just saying...
9:11 am edt 

Re: Close the School

Why does a school of about 130 children have a superintendent,
principal, vice pricipal and the secretary associated with these positions? We
could probably save $400,000/year by getting rid of them all and have a pricipal
that also is a teacher.

Close the school, make it a police station. The town will just continue to bleed
money otherwise.
9:09 am edt 

Saturday, October 13, 2012

Dear 'Screw the Kids' FinCom

". . .I will NOT support closing our elementary school program.  .  ."


I'm wondering why we are even talking about this.  The FinCom doesn't even have
a role in deciding whether to sell a building.  That role belongs to the BOS
and/or town meeting voters.  I looked through a couple of past town meetings and
couldn't find a single article that was brought forward by FinCom.  Because it's
not their role.  From what I understand they are an advisory committee, but
don't really have any power.

This discussion is much ado about nothing, if FinCom thinks they are going to
decide to close the school they would be wise to realize it's not their decision
to make.  They can recommend or not recommend a town meeting article, but not
much more than that.
10:55 am edt 

Town Meeting - Vote NO!

Town meeting in 2 weeks! Show-up and vote no on any new property tax
overrides. Fire the superintendent of schools to pay for the repairs. What the
heck does she do for $125,000/year?
8:31 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

If anyone is paying attention to what's happening in this Comonwealth
re schools they would know that considering how much time students literally
spend in transit is too much time and energy wasted spinning wheels and far more
costly overall to taxpayers!Boston itself is resetting their schools back to
neighborhoods. Every resident,taxpayer,& business is affected when a billion
dollars  is spent on education and 80 million is spent on transportation busing
students to and from schools.Their proposals is to move the system  back to
neighborhood schools in their own Towns where the education and performance is
far better and far less costly. Obstruction and negativity are the norm in the
political process but its a far more advantageous solution and costsaving in the
overall. The answer is to keep and utilize the schools we have here.If we sell
the schools and busing is not cost efficient or otherwise,land is nonexistant
here,where would we build another school?
8:20 am edt 

Dear 'Screw the Kids' FinCom

I will NOT support closing our elementary school program.  I supported closing
the high school, but will not support closing our elementary school.  There are
nearly 100 children receiving education through the 8th grade here in
Provincetown.  To save a few bucks you you want to close the school and bus
these kids to where?

It's a bad idea.
8:17 am edt 

Friday, October 12, 2012

Re: Art Prices

Art is still in the eye of the beholder in addition to the finances to buy it.
Personally there's some art in museums and galleries that I could afford but
wouldn't buy it if I had to live with it.

Some people buy art for investment purposes and it's kept in storage. A piece of art
by an unknown that has appeal rather than a "big name" is what I buy. It doesn't
have to match the couch but has to be something I enjoy looking at while sitting
on the couch!

The "no names" become "big names" after they've been dead 100
years. Some "big names" make it while they're still alive,not necessarily
because the work is spectacular but because they find promoters with money to
boost them.

Remember Van Gogh. He never sold a piece of art work in his lifetime
except to his brother who used it to shore up his chicken coop. Galleries have a
lotof overhead expenses so have to double prices. Some artists sell from their
studios and make a living because there's no commissions and overhead so they
choose not to have gallery representtion.
10:40 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization - Potential Traumatic Experience

To bus all Provincetown students to other Cape schools the lead info
we all need to be advised of  is how much it will cost Provincetown entirely
without hidden costs. A few years ago we were told it was going to cost more to
send kids elsewhere  between school and busing costs. It's not wise to sell
schools if that's the case! We're obligted to provide public education. It would
be hindsight to sell schools 1st only to find it will cost more to support
schools in other towns and how much will it increase each year not to mention
the traumatic experience to small children by heaping needless extra hours on
them to bus them all over.
10:31 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - It's a Buyer's Market

Re: "It is time for a little depreciation to come to art pricing"
From the dismal results at the last PAAM auction it already has.


One thing people in Provincetown always seem to forget (or perhaps choose to
ignore) is that Provincetown is it's own little market and is not really an
accurate representation of the art world as a whole. To make statements that art
prices are dropping and then cite the recent PAAM auction results as proof, is
misleading. Art prices are soaring in the real world.

As for Provincetown, anyone who follows the local art market knows that a) the
last PAAM auction didn't generate a lot of money because it didn't include many
big ticket items, and b) the two competing local art auction houses are
effecting what is being offered for auction at PAAM. There is only so much
quality work out there and if it is spread thinly between three different
auctions, then yes, results are going to be dismal. This is in no way proof that
the art market is struggling or that it is time for "depreciation."
5:27 pm edt 

Re: Regionalization

Schools should be regionalize.  The Police also.
I hope the Building Committe includes the study on regionalizing our police. 
Think of all the money we would really save!
4:50 pm edt 

Re: FinCom

"Considering the FinCom members that post here, it's not surprising you
would agree with yourselves."


Everyone knows that previous FinComs has been posting here for several years.
4:48 pm edt 

Re: Close the School

So all this talk of closing the school. How do we make that happen?
Can we present this at town meeeting in order to consider other options for that
building?
4:45 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - It's a Buyer's Market

Re: "It is time for a little depreciation to come to art pricing"

From the dismal results at the last PAAM auction it already has. A society that
is deleveraging its balance sheet and is in severe recovery/rehab from a credit
fueled multi-decade boom probably has a bit less to spend on art. The art,
original or old, is still beautiful but most can't afford it, nor could they
before but they just didn't realize it.
4:43 pm edt 

Re: Police Vehicles /Response

It's not known by me if and when the law changed, but it used to be
that police cruisers had to have 2 officers on board for safety sake. P'town has
been lucky to not have a lot of serious crime so that one cruiser and one
officer can get fairly quick back-up if need be but that's not the case
everywhere. It's not safe with only one in each cruiser elsewhere and the law
was implemented in Massachusetts. On another issue re D.P.W.inquiry abut 3 men
in a truck - the old joke was that "one drives the truck,the 2nd one gets out to
get the shovel,and hands it to the 3rd guy to work!" That's not really true and
we know it.Walk a mile in their shoes and you'll know too!
4:40 pm edt 

Re: Dog park

I love dogs  always have...but I cant stand people who
come on here and just throw up all over us with their views (more than likely
induced by a few glasses of wine)  get the facts right before you try to share
your logic...other wise your views are nothing but a little entertainment for
people to laugh at
11:48 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

What are you talking about??  My Daughter graduated from ptown high
and is a great student and went off to a great colledge...ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?? 
Go feed your dogs and stick to their care....Jay Kiely
11:46 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - It's a Buyer's Market

Re: "I understand your frustration, but did you ever think you may
need to change to meet the needs of the market as opposed to expecting the
market to change to meet your needs?  If expensive art is not selling you may
need to change your inventory and not carry such expensive art."



Once again, someone who missed the point of the original post. Nobody said
expensive art doesn't sell. There are plenty of wealthy buyers who visit
Provincetown who collect art. The original poster is saying it doesn't sell well
during certain THEME WEEKS.

Someone is trying to steer away from the original topic and make the issue about
provincetown art being overpriced. This person's advice seems to be "change your
product to cater to the market." Well, here's my advice: If you can't afford
original art, don't buy it, but don't expect the market to change to suit your
financial needs.
11:43 am edt 

Re: Hoping That FinCom Shakes Things Up

Considering the FinCom members that post here, it's not surprising you would
agree with yourselves.  Maybe it's time to shake up FinCom which is currently a
small group with a very big political agenda.
11:41 am edt 

Re: Regionalization

"Our kids deserve a school building that they can call their own.
Would you prefer to bus them all out of town?"


The reason to look for alternatives for the kids, is the Provincetown Schools
have some of the worst test scores of any  district.

It' not just that the schools can't maintain buildings, it is that they can't
educate our kids!!!

It is amazing how much better the kids have done who have gone to Nauset. We've
got good kids, they deserve better than these schools are offering.
10:11 am edt 

Regionalization

It's time to really focus on reality.

Resistant as everyone was, the high school will be closed after June. A
five-year-long battle. But who won?  The taxpayer. Regionalization was the
obvious answer.

Up next: Police. It's a matter of time before taxpayers realize the truth. It's
not about personalities, it's about fiscal responsibility.

Forward-thinking public officials should be cognizant of their responsibility to
serve the public, not spend public money.

10:08 am edt 

Re: Police Vehicles /Response

"in your travels"


Boy is that telling....
10:06 am edt 

Close the School

The finance committee talks about needing $3,000,000.00 a year for us to meet
our town obligations. It is imperative that we close our school and send our
students to other schools.

Yes we will spend money doing this--but each year we spend **MILLIONS** on the
school and the staff! End the madness!
A huge, tremendous building for what? 80 students?
10:03 am edt 

Hoping That FinCom Shakes Things Up

We don't need this many policemen year-round.  This is not based on my
"feelings," it is based on what every other town on the Cape manages to do with
on a year-round basis.  Look at the weekly crime reports.  The reason they are
out stopping people left and right for traffic violations is so they can somehow
manage to rationalize so many bodies.

Yes, we have a unique situation in that our summer population swells enormously. 
We will have to deal with that by hiring summer officers, which comes with its
own problems of course - they don't "know" Ptown, they sometimes appear a bit
overzealous.  We'll need housing for these officers, which I believe should be
part of the planning for the new police station or, the refurbished school if
that's the route we go.

We need rationalization.
10:02 am edt 

Right ON!

It is time for a little depreciation to come
to art pricing here as it has to everything else. Even art is not immune
My home is down almost 30% from 2008.  My car lost value the moment I drove it
out of the showroom.   My electric bills are up 12%.  My oil up 20%.   I own
some original art, from famous and well known Provincetown artists, and I do not
know one of them that I could sell for more than I bought it, most likely less.  
The enjoyment I get is looking at them each day.  I do not need any more
thousand dollar art, nor do many others I would assume?
10:00 am edt 

Re: Sell the School

Re: "..and since we've already discussed selling the only viable school
building the town has, screw the kids and sell that too!. . ."



I like it, the new FinCom slogan - 'screw the kids' - it's only about the money.
9:58 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - It's a Buyer's Market

Re: "I understand your frustration, but did you ever think you may need
to change to meet the needs of the market as opposed to expecting the market to
change to meet your needs?  If expensive art is not selling you may need to
change your inventory and not carry such expensive art."



Very well stated.  Everyone has to do what is right for them, but if you are
promoting your product, whatever it might be, to a market that doesn't come here
it's not going to be successful.
9:56 am edt 

Re: Police Vehicles /Response

"P.S. In your travels, find a town on the Cape (including the State Police) that
operates two Officers to a cruiser.I think you need to get with the times or
take your head out of the sand."



I think you may be letting on to your foolishness. Truro just went through this
whole 1 man/1 cruiser bs. What a huge waste. They have smartened up and backed
it down to 1.5 men/cruiser, 12 officers, 8 cars. look around for the facts
before you spout next time. There are departments out there that have up to 4
men per cruiser(off cape). No, they don't ride in it all together genius. They
share the vehicle amongst them on different shifts. Keep in mind, the more
vehicles the town has, the odler the oldest one gets if one is replaced every
year, for instance, 8 cars means the oldest one is 8 years old before trade in.
5 cars means only 5 years old and maybe the town won't replace one every year.
Maintainence is also more often and costly on the older vehicle. What's next
chief, "Operation Readiness"?? (another joke the Truro police tried to play on
the citizens when they tried to legitimize the need for 12 cruisers)
9:52 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Failure to Communicate

Re: Dear Gallery Owner

"Have you ever considered that most ptown art in your galleries
Is overpriced crap."


Well, now there's an intelligent comment. Some people aren't even worth arguing
with.
9:49 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks - Some Fail to Comprehend

"Why buy a new painting from an artist out of gallery on Commercial
Street when you can buy their work at auction for 50% less?"



Hey, why stop there? You can go to Wal-mart and get a framed poster print for
next to nothing! To hell with these high-falutin' artists and galleries. Why
should someone get paid for creating an original work of art? Who cares that
they spent years and money on training and countless hours honing their craft?
All that matters is that you save a few bucks!

I hate to sound like a snob, but some people will never understand art.

9:47 am edt 

Tolerance

I love Clarence. Thank you for this blog. I do like that last post.
People on this blog need to be tolerant of others views.
9:44 am edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "Yes, I studied art for Many years,so I have room to critique. We
all could go to NYC and Buy a work from a known artist for less than ptown
galleries are Charging."



Forgive me if I have trouble believing this statement. Perhaps you have studied
art, but if you spent any amount of time in the New York art world and had any
familiarity with the contemporary art market there, you would know that what you
are stating is not only untrue, but downright laughable.
9:41 am edt 

Thursday, October 11, 2012

Sad But True

When I first moved here from the midwest some years ago one of the
biggest surprises was just how intolerant the liberal mindset really is.  It's
not live and let live, but more live as I think you should live, and if you
don't agree with my views then you are wrong and do not have a right to any
opinion that differs from mine.  Sad but so true.
6:54 pm edt 

Re: Political Vandalisim

To the arrogant one that just doesn't get it. How can you condone it
right to remove political signs on private property whether its Scott Brown or
that other one of your choice by saying no one here would vote for him anyway?
How come one was stolen then? Someone was campaigning for him and there's a
penalty for tampering with any of them!See if you can comprehend this!!
6:52 pm edt 

Police on the Pier/Harbor

Police can have a boat in the harbor but have no authority to act.
It's not their jurisdiction. Only the Harbormaster and/or the Coast Guard can
that's why the Harbormaster and Assistants had police power but had to pass a
Brown Book test authorized by the Comonwealth to police the pier. It would save
paying Police to Patrol the Pier. The Harbormaster also has jurisdiction on all
Town Waterways including the Ponds.
6:51 pm edt 

Re: Sell the School

Even the Finance committee agrees that to spend money to fix the school is a
waste of taxpayer money. Sell the building! Send the handful of students to
other schools.
6:49 pm edt 

Re: Dog Park Land

I don't get it:

In response to your comment about the dog park....If you knew what you were
talking about.... That land is a leaching field for the sewer ...it can not be
built on. Is it dogs you hate or just another uninformed person spewing garbage
you know nothing about.
6:47 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "but come on now, how many paintings can one have?"

Depends on the artist! I'd rather buy older paintings at auctions. Easier to
judge the worth of the piece via numerous auction record web sites. Why buy a
new painting from an artist out of gallery on Commercial Street when you can buy
their work at auction for 50% less? Why buy an artist whose work might not
appreciate and is rather likely to depreciate when you can buy known works of
know value?

I know crass, but while I like the artists's work I own I don't want to buy
something only to see an equivalent piece on askart for 50% less six months
later. Perhaps the poster is right, maybe time for a little depreciation to come
to art pricing here as it has to everything else. Even art is not immune to the
pricing transparency brought by the web.

Also, I know, rich people problems.


6:45 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "Well, if you had reasonable paintings, and not ones that cost 3 or
4 or 5 grand, maybe you would sell more.   Tell the greedy artists to lower the
prices. I have a few million, but in this economy, I am not buying a 4 thousand
dollar painting.   I will stay in a guest house, I will eat out, and
will buy a few items in shops, but come on now, how many paintings can one have?"


Well, since you aren't spending your millions on artwork, perhaps you might
consider investing in some lessons in manners, class and/or grammar?
6:41 pm edt 

Re: Dog Park Land

". . . their DOGS  does anyone else see how crazy that is??   My god
sell that property and send those dogs to the woods in Truro or Eastham. . ."



Nice rant, but the land may not be used for anything else.  Can't be sold.  Duh
6:39 pm edt 

Re: Police Vehicles /Response

To the blogger who apparently has an obvious issue with the Police, needs to be
educated on why you see one man police vehicles: (1) One cruiser with two
Officers in it covers less of an area than two cruisers with one Officer in
each, fact. (2) Another example is, with two one man cruisers on the road, a
quicker response is given when someone needs the Police,Ooops, another facrt.(3)
It is also a proven fact that a one man cruiser allows that Officer to be more
productive and alert than a two man cruiser does, damn another fact.
P.S. In your travels, find a town on the Cape (including the State Police) that
operates two Officers to a cruiser.I think you need to get with the times or
take your head out of the sand.
6:37 pm edt 

Take, Take, Sell, Sell

Hey folks,

While we're on the subject of closing and selling buildings... has anyone
thought about selling the Town Hall building? Wouldn't that make a spectacular
space for shops? It's in the middle of the town center and can't be accessed
easily by car. Why not just sell it? While we're at it, let's sell the pier, the
DPW building and the Grace Goveia building. Then sell the Recreation Building.
We can move them all into the Veterans School right before we sell that! Oh, and
since we've already discussed selling the only viable school building the town
has, screw the kids and sell that too! Who needs cops here? They don't even need
a building, they can work from their cruisers!

The people that post on this site are the most selfish individuals. Take, take,
take, sell, sell, sell! You may lower your taxes but you won't have much of a
town left when you're done! The school serves a valuable purpose in this
"community". Our kids deserve a school building that they can call their own.
Would you prefer to bus them all out of town? Then you'll complain that you
can't find employees when the parents are forced out. A child-less town...
sounds like a bad movie script to me!
6:35 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Re: "I hear the same people complain every year about how poor the
galleries are doing. Well, if you had reasonable paintings, and not ones that
cost 3 or 4 or 5 grand, maybe you would sell more.   Tell the greedy artists to
lower the
prices.

I have a few million, but in this economy, I am not buying a 4 thousand dollar
painting. I will stay in a guest house, I will eat out, and will buy a few items
in shops, but come on now, how many paintings can one have?"



Actually, you seem to have misunderstood the point of my post. I never said my
gallery is doing poorly. On the contrary, I had a pretty good season overall,
much better than last year. However, during certain theme weeks (bears, family
week, etc.) my gallery (and most galleries) do not do so well.

I must say though, I really do resent your comment that expensive artwork is a
result of artists' greed. I do not feel that I or the artists I represent are
greedy. I make a decent living but I don't have anywhere near the "few million"
you claim to have, and many of my artists barely make enough to live on. We do
the best we can while trying to make a living doing something we are passionate
about. I think my customers, who are genuinely interested in fine art, know the
difference between quality and 'souvenir' and understand how the work I sell is
priced accordingly. There are numerous galleries in Provincetown that sell
small, inexpensive souvenir type paintings and there's nothing wrong with that,
but it's not what I do. It's a completely different clientele.

To answer your last question where you ask how many paintings "one" can have:
For someone who truly appreciates and loves art, it's not a matter of meeting a
quota, or simply filling the empty spaces on your walls. It's about the
appreciation of beauty and talent. If you don't understand why someone would pay
3 or 4 thousand dollars for an original work of art that they absolutely love, I
don't think I could ever explain it to you. Fine art is obviously not something
you care about.

Congratulations on your millions though : )
6:32 pm edt 

To: Kerry Adams

It was wonderful reading the front page headlines in last week's
Banner about School Committee member Kerry Adams and his vindication from the
horrible lie that was perpetrated against him by a couple of juvenile      ! I
personally know who these characters are, they are quite well known in my
neighborhood and have prompted many a door and window lock to be checked and
double-checked. How easy it is for a teen to use a lie against a reputable
person and create such a miserable situation for that person. In spite of it
all, Mr. Adams held his head up and continued on in his daily life and business.
I have a great deal of respect for him, wish him the best and am happy that his
ordeal has ended! It's a lesson for us all in our dealings with kids. It could
have happened to anyone who is ever involved with young people. As a former
teacher, I know only too well how a young mind works when confronted with a bad
act: blame someone else! I've seen it many times and was n!
early on the receiving end of a similar situation. Congratulations Mr. Adams,
there are many like me who completely believed in you from the start!
6:28 pm edt 

Dear Gallery Owner

Have you ever considered that most ptown art in your galleries
Is overpriced crap. How thought provoking is another dory
In the bay. There are few artists in town whom experiment with
Ideas and technique to challenge our minds. Yes, I studied art for
Many years,so I have room to critique. We all could go to NYC and
Buy a work from a known artist for less than ptown galleries are
Charging. High art and high real estate go hand in hand in this
Town.......
6:25 pm edt 

Re: Theme Week

" . .I would gladly put an end to Bear Week. Yeah, there's ten
thousand people here, but they aren't buying art in my gallery and I've heard
the same from many, many other gallery owners."


I understand your frustration, but did you ever think you may need to change to
meet the needs of the market as opposed to expecting the market to change to
meet your needs?  If expensive art is not selling you may need to change your
inventory and not carry such expensive art.
6:22 pm edt 

I Dont Get It??

Sombody explain to me why we dedicated property to
DOGS?  their DOGS  does anyone else see how crazy that is??   My god sell that
property and send those dogs to the woods in Truro or Eastham   lol   Their dogs
for creeps sake  Im tellin ya there is NEVER A DULL MOMENT here   DOGS??
12:49 pm edt 

Right On!

People who complain that visitors aren't coming into their store or gallery may
want to consider changing their merchandise more than once very three or four
years.  Or for that matter, get out of town.
I hear the same people complain every year about how poor the galleries are
doing.    Well, if you had reasonable paintings, and not ones that cost 3 or 4
or 5 grand, maybe you would sell more.   Tell the greedy artists to lower the
prices.  

I have a few million, but in this economy, I am not buying a 4
thousand dollar painting.   I will stay in a guest house, I will eat out, and
will buy a few items in shops, but come on now, how many paintings can one have?
12:35 pm edt 

School Superintendent is Shocked?

So the school superintendent is shocked that Fincom would not OK
millions to fix the school. Hmmmmm. I'm shocked at the 100,000 dollar plus
salary she gets for the one small school we have. What does she do anyways.
Close the school.
12:33 pm edt 

Re: Political Vandalism?

Re - "I reiterate, why would anyone be surprised that Scott Browns
signs are removed in PROVINCETOWN?"



Anyone who believes in freedom of speech and thought WOULD be surprised.  We
have a right to support whom we choose EVEN in Provincetown.

I thought we were a town of tolerance - even if people think differently than
others.  I thought to support "Liberalism" was to be open and tolerant to
different ideas - even if you don't like them
12:31 pm edt 

Re: High School

I will vote to have the police move to the high scool.
12:29 pm edt 

Police Vehicles

They do not a police car for every officer, two people fit in a cruiser very
comfortable. This town is getting harder to live in, especially for the elderly.
Dosen't Sharon understand that. I think she is to rich to run this town, we need
someone who understands.
12:27 pm edt 

Re: Political Vandalism?

Wow, what negativity. What happened to tolerance and acceptance of other people
and their views? So now people are running around in the shadows stopping people
from expressing their views by way of a candidate yet the same people in general
are asking for equality, tolerance and decency to one another? I wonder how
much" cleansing" goes on in town that we don't know? Maybe instead of playing by
the rules, would certain factions make it harder to develop property in town or
perhaps heteros are turned away with the answer of "no vacancy"? Make ya wonder
sometimes.
12:25 pm edt 

Re: Theme Week

"Looking to end Bear Week and send 10,000 people somewhere else?  Are
you nuts?"



I would gladly put an end to Bear Week. Yeah, there's ten thousand people here,
but they aren't buying art in my gallery and I've heard the same from many, many
other gallery owners. It's a perfect illustration of what another poster said:
they may patronize bars and restaurants and sure, they fill guesthouses (which
is all the PBG cares about) but the people here for Bear Week don't buy art or
high end retail, so our businesses suffer that week. You can deny this all you
want and try to tell me your gallery does a booming business during Bear Week,
but you and I both know it isn't true.
12:23 pm edt 

Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Re: Political Vandalism?

It shouldn't matter what town people live in. They have the right to
vote how they choose and to display whatever political candidates signs they
prefer and should be respected whether you like it or not.Defacing or stealing
such material is a crime and carries a serious penalty,especially on private
property. Where did some paranoid nit wit get the idea that by someone being
prolife & anti euthanasia that they're also anti-gay or against gay marriage.
They're unrelated subjects.
11:13 pm edt 

Re: Political Vandalism?

Scott Brown. Just said that he supports Roe v Wade.      But still
voted against womens rights to contraception & health care
I reiterate, why would anyone be surprised that Scott Browns signs are removed
in PROVINCETOWN?
11:11 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

Theme weeks bring thousands of people, ending them would be crazy. 
When is it the quietest in town?  When there isn't a theme.  Looking to end Bear
Week and send 10,000 people somewhere else?  Are you nuts?

People who complain that visitors aren't coming into their store or gallery may
want to consider changing their merchandise more than once very three or four
years.
11:10 pm edt 

Re: Political Vandalism?

Fewer Scott Brown signs--seems good to me

He is over his head. He should be back in Wrentham, that is where he belongs.
Le'ts hope that Elizaeth Warren makes certain he is back home in Wrentham land.
without the right wing money flowing in, he'd be much more behind in the polls.
Or maybe he can try to be the older center fold model for the AARP.
11:06 pm edt 

Re: Theme Weeks

To the person who wrote in saying they hope all theme weeks stop:

Amen! Many people around town have been saying this for several years. Many
tourists try to plan their vacation around the few non-theme weeks. Do you have
any idea how hard that is? Eventually we will lose the business of tourists who
aren't interested in theme weeks.

Then we will have the baby dykes (good for the bars and guest houses, not much
else,) the circuit boys (again they fill the guest houses and drink like fish,)
women's week ( I guess they buy t-shirts?) Anyone else seeing a pattern here?
Theme weeks seem to be good for certain businesses (bars and guesthouses) but
not so good, and in some cases damaging for others.
7:44 pm edt 

Themed Weeks

I hope Women's Week and every other Themed Week are going to stop. 
They are killing this town.
7:26 pm edt 

Re: Re: TAXES:

I am going to attempt to answer your questions in a non-biased educated way,

Why does it take 2 trucks and 3 DPW employees to turn off seasonal water?

-This I am not sure of, the DPW is somewhat of an enigma to me.  What I do know
is unless you are educated in the matter and the procedures to conduct the water
shut off, there is not much for analysis.

Why does it take 2 or 3 police vehicles with personnel to respond to a call?

The number of personnel that respond to a call is determined by the type of
call.  Any 911 call usually results in two officers responding.  This is fairly
uniform across the state.  Domestic disturbances can sometimes require up to 4
units to respond.  This is because it is in the interest of safety to have an
increased number of officers on scene.  There is less likelyhood of an
aggressive conflict if there are more officers present.  Also there is less
likelyhood of injury to the officers which brings down insurance costs, overtime
costs to cover the injured officers shifts, and less legal costs.

NOTE:  Although I feel on some occasions there is a rightful cause to criticize
the police, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.  Officers have families too and should have
backup on calls if they see fit.  Its all about sending them home at the end of
the night.  Speculation on the appropriateness regarding the number of officers
responding is not a proper criticism

Why do police require Segways, motorcycles, cars, 4 wheel drives and now boats
to ride around in?

Segway:  The Segway was purchased on a grant awarded to the town for a Segway
(community policing initiative).  This was provided at no cost to the town or
the taxpayer.  It allows personnel to get out of their cruiser and mingle with a
crowd in a friendly and approachable way. The Segway has added no burden to the
taxpayers due to its purchase through a grant.

Motorcycle:  The motorcycle was a very good purchase for the town.  Before you
attack me I will articulate why.  Provincetown is a host to many great events in
the summer.  One of which is a big parade celebrating the rights of many in this
world. Motorcycles are a useful tool for events like this.  It allows personnel
more maneuverability in tight areas such as a parade route.  Also believe it or
not Provincetown has a traffic flow problem!!!! Especially in the summer. 
Motorcycles are useful in the application of traffic enforcement because they
can positions themselves easier to monitor traffic.  This provides an additional
level of safety for the officer and the motoring public because it takes more
room to position a cruiser on the street.  The motorcycle also consumes far less
gas then a traditional vehicle.

4 Wheel Drive:  We are in a beach community. The police have a responsibility to
respond to incidents in areas that may require driving through sand.  It is
impossible to navigate through sand in a non 4 wheel drive vehicle.  The last
thing you want Is someone going into cardiac arrest on a beach and not having a
4WD to respond.  Also we live in New England..SNOW!  Driving to a call in a
crown vic in the snow on an emergency is as dangerous as playing Russian
roulette (and I am not talking about the kind in casinos).

Boats:  The boat matter I am a little less supportive of.  I believe that the
police do need a boat due to its harbor and beach presence.  How large and
expensive the boat isI am not educated enough in the matter to determine a
proper type of equipment.  What I do know is there is a coast guard base in
town.

The town is 3 miles long!  I do not see any big time crime or arrests to warrant
this excessive policing.  The latest big deal in crime is stopping bicyclists
for proper hand signals.


Regardless of the town size there needs to be a police force.  The force here is
of appropriate size.  Believe it or not there is crime in Provincetown (I know
its saddening) that needs to be dealt with (Especially on the matter of drugs
and drunk driving).  The sarcastic nature of your statement belittles victims of
crime in Provincetown.  Please have a little more respect for them

I can't wait to see the new police station proposal.  Will we house all the
vehicles in another meeting room??

I cant tell if this is a joke or a question
7:25 pm edt 

Bradford Street Bike Lane

Hi,
Just am concerned about the thought of putting bike lanes on Bradford Street. I
am for bike lanes, but  our streets are not wide enough & I did not even think
about delivery truck & repair trucks. Will this be all year or just in season? 
Conwell Street is a prime example of too small of a street.
7:16 pm edt 

Re: Political Vandalism?

There are a lot less Scott brown signs around because in Provincetown,
it is a waste of time to support a Republican, Number one, and number two, one
who opposes abortion and gay rights. Are you just an ostrich, who doesn't know
where     lives. ???? Oh, you aren't a      , or a          .. well then....
7:12 pm edt 

Re: When Does it Stop?

"So those getting escrow adjustments, should know it is from your
Spring tax bill not this one. You should not get an adjustment from this tax
bill as it only and installment of the annual tax."


I think the previous writer was making up his own facts to dramatize his/her
point.
7:11 pm edt 

Convert High School to the Police Station

I support this idea.  Why spend millions on a brand new station when the town
already owns the perfect base structure with a prime central location, parking
room for all official and unofficial vehicles involved, interior space enough
for multiple training areas, jail cells, holding pens, processing areas, kitchen
facilities, classrooms for officers and trainees, office space, rooms that could
be available for public safety programs, rooms for outreach and supportive
services, a storm shelter, all under the same roof.  There could even be a gym
for officers so they can stay fit when not on duty.

7:09 pm edt 

Selling Our Resources

Has anyone thought maybe it would be a great idea to close the foley
house and the aids support building and sell them to developers and those people
who need them can just go to the dog park and we can charge them to go in.  Just
thought I would throw in my own stupid idea  Never a dull moment.
7:06 pm edt 

High School / Police Station Thought

I know someone that suggested to the Police Chief that the Veterans Memorial
School would be a perfect location for the new Police Station because it was
felt that the tax payers would go for a million dollars to convert it that 6 to
8 million for a new one and he said no. It is a building that has ample space
for all purposes,ample office plus storage space and parking (for the employees,
pkg dept and the public). Months later it's funny how good enough it is for
Sharon to move the Town Offices into it.I say move the Police Station to the
Vets School building and the Town Offices to the High School building.
7:04 pm edt 

Energy Price Forecasts:

Released Yesterday by US Energy Information Administration:

Overview
 
EIA expects higher average fuel bills this winter heating season for heating
oil, propane, and natural gas, but little change in electricity bills.

Higher fuel prices are the main driver

10% higher heating oil prices (than last winter)
7% higher propane prices
4% higher residential natural gas prices
1% higher electricity prices

Projected average expenditures for heating oil users are at their highest level
ever.
1:34 pm edt 

Convert High School to the Police Station

I've suggested it 2x's before on this blog and I'm reiterating it
again. If the High School must be sold,(sorry condo developers!), it's the
perfect location for the Police Station from all angles,both location and
access.Jail cells inthe gym with easy access for cruisers,with ample parking. It
could still be utilized as a schoolfor Police Trainees. If the building needs
fixing,fix it ,convert it and it will still be cheaper than a new station.
1:31 pm edt 

Re: What Happened to Women's Week?

Heard the same thing from a number of people.  Attendance seems to be way down. 
It use to be this huge success story, but now they shortened the event and the
women just aren't coming.
1:29 pm edt 

Political Vandalism?

To the person(s),that's cutting down the political advetising signs
for Scott Browns re-election all over town and leaving the naked frames,shame on
you! Are you just a naughty little kid? If not,you're behaving like one,sent to
your room, and made to write 1,000 times,I will not deface other people's
property ot try to bully political ideas not in accordance with mine!!
1:27 pm edt 

Re: When Does it Stop?

"WOW, your mortgage company is unbelievably fast.  Tax bills went out ten days
ago, your mortgage company received it maybe eight days ago and your mortgage
company turns around and notifies you it has increased your escrow requirement."


Actually, taxes went up last Spring. The latest tax bills were  the second
installment of the new tax amount. So those getting escrow adjustments, should
know it is from your Spring tax bill not this one. You should not get an
adjustment from this tax bill as it only and installment of the annual tax.
1:24 pm edt 

Re: Town Government - Overrides

Re: I'll be voting to say no to property tax overrides! Time for new
ideas to generate money or cut costs.


Please see 'I want it all, but I don't want to pay for it.'

The option of collecting an additional $350K to $500k a year was presented last
year by moving the permit parking from MPL to Grace Hall.  It was screamed down
by people, most of whom didn't even live in town, who consider it their birth
right to park for free in MPL.
10:58 am edt 

Re: "Communities Across the Cape Cod are Closing Schools!"

FRONT PAGE NEWS CAPE COD TIMES

Around 10 schools were closed by different towns..it was the headline in the
cape cod times a few weeks ago.

Just because you didn't see it you say it isn't so.
10:42 am edt 

Town Government - Overrides

I'll be voting to say no to property tax overrides! Time for new ideas
to generate money or cut costs. Figure it out town manager without raising
taxes.
9:41 am edt 

Finance Committee

OCTOBER 2 FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING
online, here's the link:
>> http://www.provincetowntv.org/town-government/finance-committee/
9:25 am edt 

What Happened to Women's Week?

They shortened it this year to six days and it's bringing far fewer
women to town.  Rooms available everywhere, streets are deserted
considering past years.

Are they ending Women's Week?  Sure looks line it.
9:23 am edt 

Re: When Does it Stop?

"WOW, My mortgage company just increased my monthly payment by 8% to
cover the increased property taxes."



WOW, your mortgage company is unbelievably fast.  Tax bills went out ten days
ago, your mortgage company received it maybe eight days ago and your mortgage
company turns around and notifies you it has increased your escrow requirement.

Unbelievable is the key word here.
9:20 am edt 

"Communities Across the Cape Cod are Closing Schools!"

Really?  What communities?  Are they selling these closing schools to turn into
private condos?  You said it, now please back it up with facts.

A police station is needed.  There is a soon to be empty town building with
enough space for this and more and the perfect central location.  Do the math. 
The only thing that doesn't add up is the reasoning behind building a brand new
station when there is the perfect candidate sitting right in front of collective
noses, saving millions.
9:18 am edt 

Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Re: Town Meeting

I'll be voting to properly maintain our buildings including unfortunately paying
to fix past mistakes and neglect at high school. I also won't personalize past
mistakes by blaming current folks who are stuck dealing with it.
11:08 pm edt 

When Does it Stop?

WOW, My mortgage company just increased my monthly payment by 8% to cover the
increased property taxes. And I have come up with a big back payment to cover a
deficient in the escrow. WOW

When does it stop?
8:36 pm edt 

Town Government - Overrides

". . .I just paid my property tax bills(thousands), leave me the xxxx
alone. If the town manager cannot figure out how to operate the town with the
millions of dollars in revenue already availble each year, then she needs to
quit or get fired!!"


Dear Public Official,
I want it all, but I don't want to pay for it.  I've lived beyond my means for
years and it really ticks me off when you ask me to pay for the services I
receive.  And it really ticks me off when I'm asked to pay for paved streets or
buildings in town.
8:32 pm edt 

Town Government - Overrides

There is a special town meeting on Monday, October 29 at 6PM. Most of
the articles are just booking, moving money between accounts. However, two
articles are proposing property tax overrides.
One override would be to allocate the million plus dollars to patch the high
school, another article to continue paving the streets.
I just paid my property tax bills(thousands), leave me the xxxx alone. If the
town manager cannot figure out how to operate the town with the millions of
dollars in revenue already availble each year, then she needs to quit or get
fired!!
5:05 pm edt 

New Commercial Street

HOW I wish the entire street and sidewalks of the entire town could be ripped up
and rebuilt from scratch. WORLD HEADLINES; PROVINCETOWN closes down as a new
street is built! Wish it were true
10:12 am edt 

Derelict Buildings

We can't allow anymore of our buildings to become derelict buildings like the
old community center.

We need to sell what is superflous and build new "green" buildings that are
necessary for the town to function: Police and DPW buildings.

Face the facts. Communities across the Cape Cod are closing schools! There are
limited career building jobs here that lead to financial security.

10:10 am edt 

Re: Seasonal Condo Tax

Would the condo tax be only for short term rentals, say a week or two,
or would someone who rents for the entire season be required to pay tax as well? 
I would not be in favor of the later.
9:46 am edt 

Re: Sell it !

"Why Are We Spending so Much to Renovate the High School?

We should have done that when we had a high school. spending millions to
re-point and rehab a building that is in itself in search of its real purpose is
foolish and wasteful."


I agree. Get the young children out to another school system, stop overpsending
on this town hall driven project, and either sell the building or use it for
community activities until we do sell it.

Or better yet, use the building for the new police station and make the
improvement meaningful"

if we're going to repoint the bldg, make sure you RAISE the selling price
accordingly.  there are plenty of developers who will make nice "restoration
hardware" condo's out of the high school.  stop low balling it ! make it a
profitable price.  !!!!
9:09 am edt 

Re: Seasonal Condo Tax

"Let's call a spade a spade.
It's  a SHORT-TERM RENTAL TAX."


You can call it whatever you want if hotels/guesthouses collect it so should
anyone else renting rooms on a short- term rental.

You want to rent rooms, you collect the rooms tax.
8:39 am edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

".  .  ..It's the Town loss.For those who claim that the administration
wanted to sponsor it again,this was the chance for a community affair but unless the
exorbitant fees were forgiven or lessened one person shouldn't be expected to
absorb total risk!"


There is no mechanism in place for town staff to waive or lessen fees.  The BOS
set the rules and regulations for the rental of the auditorium, only they could
waive any fees.  To be honest, trying to put on an event beginning a month
before the event is never going to happen.
8:37 am edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

So I understand why you imagine fincom wants this or that, but all
those people left and it is as you all say the new FinCom


You need to watch current FinCom meetings so you will actually know what they
are thinking.
8:19 am edt 

Monday, October 8, 2012

Re: Seasonal Condo Tax

"I do hope that Sarah Peake's proposal for a seasonal condo tax does
not get approved.  We do not need to be making it more expensive for renters to
stay here for the summer.  It's getting too expensive out here."



I agree that we do not want to disincent tourists from coming to Provincetown
vis a vis another tax, however we need to level the playing field for guest
houses and condo rentals.  Currently the rooms tax on a guest house rental is
11.7% (of which the local options tax is 6%), while there is zero rooms tax on a
condo rental.   Therefore, on an average rental of $1,500 for a one week's stay,
a visitor staying at a guest house pays an additional $175.50 in taxes for a
total of $1,675.50, but a visitor staying in a condo gets a discount because
they pay no tax.   My recommendation is to tax both condos and guest house
rooms, but at a lower rate (i.e. rather than the current 6% options tax on guest
house rooms only, assess 3% options tax across the board on both guest house
rooms and condo rentals).  This would level the playing field and probably
result in a net increase to the town in overall rooms taxes.

7:26 pm edt 

Re: Seasonal Condo Tax

Let's call a spade a spade.

It's  a SHORT-TERM RENTAL TAX.
6:56 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Someone said the Town Manager isn't in the party planning business.
Someone else in town is and in good faith wanted to plan a public Halloween
party in Town Hall with the proceeds donated to the Town after expenses. He was
given,from Town Hall,an 8 or 9 page list of rules,fees,insurance needed,&
incidentals that he would have to be totally and singularly responsible for. It
wasn't legally and financially possible to proceed with plans under those rules
set forth.It's the Town loss.For those who claim that the administration wanted
to sponsor it again,this was the chance for a community affair but unless the
exorbitant fees were forgiven or lessened one person shouldn't be expected to
absorb total risk!
6:42 pm edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

"I think the FinCom probably wants ....."


No that was old fincom. The former vice chairwoman was a champion condo
developer as I recall.  She condo-ized  many buildings all over town?

Or maybe you are thinking of the Chairman before last, he ran the largest real
estate agency. Do you suppose it is him you are thinking of in your post?

Or maybe it was the chairman before that, she also ran a big real estate agency
that  sold a lot of condos? Maybe you think   it is she that hopes lightening
strikes twice?

So I understand why you imagine fincom wants this or that, but all those people
left and it is as you all say the new fincom.
6:39 pm edt 

Seasonal Condo Tax

I do hope that Sarah Peake's proposal for a seasonal condo tax does
not get approved.  We do not need to be making it more expensive for renters to
stay here for the summer.  It's getting too expensive out here.
6:37 pm edt 

Re: School Closing

ONE SCHOOL HAD TO CLOSE

There are no students to *FILL* the school. There are just students who "go" to
school there.

We had to close one school when we were down to 3 or 4 studetns in a class. Our
previous town manager said that we had to close the school...and finally the
townd closed the school

Now it is time to close the Elementary school and all of the emotional hand
wringing won't fill the school with students. the day will come--it is all one
day at a time
6:24 pm edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

Refurbish the school and then sell the building. Don't give it away to another
developer--sell it!


What a sad legacy for this building to become just another conglomeration of
"village" condominiums.  Sell it "as is".  Why spend one penny on fixing it so
it can suffer a complete gutting to make room for custom units?  Anyone buying
isn't buying the building, they are buying the location.  A new front door and
planter aren't going to increase curb appeal. I think the town should fight
tooth and nail to hang onto this property.  Do something with it so that it
remains in the town's ownership.  There won't ever be a better safety net and
the value will only increase.  Whenever this property goes on the block, it will
be scooped up quickly.  Selling won't be the problem.  Selling out of
desperation will.
6:30 pm edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

Refurbish the school and then sell the building. Don't give it away to
another developer--sell it!


If it's sold it's going to be developed, most likely condos.  I have friends in
Boston who would buy a condo in that building in a heartbeat.  I think the
FinCom probably wants it sold and turned into condos, all of which would then
pay taxes to the town.

Quoting ABBA:

Money, money, money, it's a rich man's world.
9:51 am edt 

Why Are We Spending so Much to Renovate the High School?

We should have done that when we had a high school. spending millions to
re-point and rehab a building that is in itself in search of its real purpose is
foolish and wasteful.

I agree. Get the young children out to another school system, stop overpsending
on this town hall driven project, and either sell the building or use it for
community activities until we do sell it.

Or better yet, use the building for the new police station and make the
improvement meaningful.
9:50 am edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

This idea was put forth a while back on this blog and immediately
contradicted as being impossible, ridiculous.  The building has to be used as a
school, everyone knows that.


The building does NOT have to be used for a school.  If we don't use it for a
school we have to pay back the loan which can't be that much by now and we're
going to have to pay back the money anyway.

I agree with FinCom, sell the building for development, pay off the loan and use
the $ left for something else.
8:55 am edt 

How Did People Get to be so Stupid?

They want to put themselves out of the
"people business". Kill the elderly,they've outlived their productivity and
usefulness!Abortion-yes-yes,no future generations to replace the elderly.How
smart is all that? iF YOU'RE LUCKY ENOUGH to make it to elderly,(that's
considered 50 & on),I bet you'll sing a different tune!!You had better think
about this in November
8:53 am edt 

Cultural Growth

"..I must say since the portuguese community left i dont see a whole
lot of new culture being!  born...here"



Guess it depends on how you look at it.  I've had the opposite experience.
8:33 am edt 

Pensions

Closing the school will also put an end to the pensions we will have to pay
these teachers in the future.

We need to bring money into this town and we need to save money in this town by
reducing extraneous costs.

8:31 am edt 

Close the Elementary School

WE CLOSED THE HIGH SCHOOL-TIME FOR THE E.S.

There are no students filling our school.
We have a giant school building and a handful of students. Close the school and
save the taxpayers millions upon millions each year!

We could send these students to the most lavish boarding school in Switzerland
for what we are paying in the millions for our school.

My mother said that when I was in first grade, my teacher had one hundred
students over 50 years ago!

Close the school a year from now and save us the millions we are spending on the
school.
8:28 am edt 

Is it Too Late to Have "The Ball" at Town Hall

If I recall correctly an application to rent the town hall auditorium has to be
submitted 60 days prior to the event.  I thought I heard that when 'Showgirls'
wanted to rent the auditorium last summer.

I think it is too late to make it happen.
8:25 am edt 

Close the School

Refurbish the school and then sell the building. Don't give it away to another
developer--sell it!
8:23 am edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

Why does the high school building have to remain a school building?
They said that the old library builing had to remain a library. Now it is just a
big wasted space. Sell the school building and stop bleeding money!
8:22 am edt 

Re: Closing Our Schools

The agitator that keeps saying we must sell the high school and all
schools here should seriously think about moving to another place, another
country or better yet to another planet where there are no schools and you can
be happy! This isn't a turn about face where we can send all kids to Truro.
Truro used to send them to us  because they only had elementary grades and no
High School. As I understand it Truro have full capacity,- in other words,NO
ROOM AT THE INN!" Little kids need to be in their own surroundings and not
bussed. Obviously,if you don't have kids or never were one, public schools rub
you the wrong way. Well,you know what rubs me wrong?People cluttering up the
sidewalks with dogs in baby carriages. Four footed animals are meant to
walk,run,sniff,bark,etc.. Owners can pretend they're babies but we know that's
fallacy. It's also not healthy for animals to be confined like that. Ask any
good vet. It's the owners that are lazy. The good thing for you is !
it's cheaper. You don't have to bus them to school!
8:20 am edt 

Sunday, October 7, 2012

Re: Closing Our Schools

"Imagine how much money we could make by selling the high school
building and and letting someone turn it into condos.  It would be a perfect
building for condos
with views.  We could make millions selling that building."


This idea was put forth a while back on this blog and immediately contradicted
as being impossible, ridiculous.  The building has to be used as a school,
everyone knows that.  It will be interesting now to see the response to this
idea, now that reality is rearing it's ugly mug.

Once the sale is done and all those "millions" are still warm, maybe there could
be a Halloween Ball Ad Hoc Committee formed to plan a really spooky, scary
Halloween party.  That way grownups here could dress up in costumes and have a
silly, wacky night out.  After costs for the decorations and open bar and
entertainment and venue and extra policing costs are subtracted, what money is
left could be used to subsidize deficits in infrastructure grants, open space
and conservation efforts, a substance abuse support network, a soup kitchen, a
low cost pet clinic, low income year-round resident needs  ...   or better yet,
here could be a Thanksgiving Ball and we can all dress as turkeys.

10:14 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Is it to late to have "The Ball" at Town Hall. I'll volunteer if
anyone can tell me how to make it happen. I need help and volunteers.(no name
yet until I hear what comes of it on this blog)
10:11 pm edt 

Closing Our Schools

Lets close our school and send the students to other schools on the
cape.

Imagine how much money we could make by selling the high school building and and
letting someone turn it into condos.  It would be a perfect building for condos
with views.  We could make millions selling that building.
5:53 pm edt 

Re: Maintaining the Town

Just to inform those who think they can just send their kids to truro
school? well there is a list and actually there is no more room there..the
schools not that large..i must say i raised 2 children in the truro school
system..excellent school and teachers but i moved  and built a home in truro to
do so..provincetown over the last 2o years or so has held many people hostage
and constantly put fear in their children and town workers..many years of the
threat of the manor closing and many many years of our children thinking they
were going to be with out a school in which drove many families away...i
remember 15 yrs ago the high school students making  a stand to save their
school..provincetown is a kill joy and has been killing itself for may
years..someday i wonder who will stick around to be a volunteer firemen?or
devoted enough to leave their jobs to get to a rescue call..i must say since the
portugueese community left i dont see a whole lot of new culture being!
  born...here
5:50 pm edt 

Re: Maintaining the Town

I don't think FinCom has said anything about closing the schools, They did I
hear, they have requested a lot more information about the required spending to
keep the buildings open.

If full disclosure means the town will close the schools? I doubt it?  I've not
seen anything about fincom voting anything other than the repairs.
5:46 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Sounds like one person writing in over and over saying it's not the
town's job to plan parties. I wonder who that person is and in what capacity
they work for the town?
5:44 pm edt 

Re: Intergenerational Theft

Ran across a great article illustrating the point you made. Search for "Who
Destroyed the Economy? The Case Against the Baby Boomers" which just appeared in
The Atlantic. Sounds very familiar stuff here in "we don't want to pay for it"
Provincetown.
5:43 pm edt 

Re: I Agree With the Last Blogger . . .

You agree with yourself is what you're saying.
5:41 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

You All Dropped the "Ball"

Why would anyone want to volunteer or sponsor this ball, when the people on this
Blog in particular made every attempt to destroy the reputation of the people
involved last year. This ball is toxic and it all because of people on this
blog. Shame on all of you. Sorry to say that sometimes in life there is actually
no hidden agenda.
5:39 pm edt 

Re: Maintaining the Town

"I did not originate the original post about the cost of fixing the
high school, but yes,let's close the schools and send the few remaining kids to
Truro or Wellfleet. Thank you FINCOM!"



If that is really FinCom's goal I hope they at least have the integrity to say
it.  Having watched the debacle of their last meeting it would appear that's
what they want, but won't actually say.  At least it seemed to be what the loud
one was pushing.
5:36 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Who is they?  Is there a party planning department in town?

Good question, which town department is the party planning department?
11:18 am edt 

Provincetown School

Finance commitee is correct-close the school
I totally agree. The finance committee says that we need to close the shcool. In
this instance, they are correct.
11:16 am edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

"When and where exactly was it advertised that the town was searching
for someone to stage the event? I don't recall ever seeing or hearing anything
about this."


I don't think anyone was searching for anyone.  Try as you want to blame town
staff they don't put on events.  You want it to happen, make it happen.

Attempts to blame the town staff are actually quite funny.  Throw it against the
wall, maybe it will stick.
11:15 am edt 

7-12 Schools Close on the Cape

It was front page news this summer. What I can't remember is was it 7 schools or
12 schools?

Lets close our school and send the students to other schools on the cape.

It is the parents who don't want to be bothered since students all over the
country take the bus to school.

Lets look at the numbers--Millions for a few dozen students. It just doesn't
make fiscal sense.
11:14 am edt 

One School

We are down to one school. Yes, we should send the few studetns we have left to
the Truro Central School. We should find a new use for the school building.

We do need to spend the $1.3 million dollars to stop the leaks and refurbish the
exterior, but do we really need to pay millions upon millions each year in
salaries and then eventual retirment when the Truo School can handle our student
body?

Sure we will pay for the students to go to school in Truro--but it won't be six
or seven million dollars each and every year.
11:12 am edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Gotta agree with what another blogger said: I do remember town manager
making a statement saying she was so happy to revive the Beaux Arts Ball. Of
course we shouldn't be surprised when a politician smiles and makes promises and
then doesn't follow through. This is 2012, after all.
11:10 am edt 

Re: Maintaining Our Town

Don't forget-It isn't just buildings. Look at our magnificent Bas Relief. It was
created by a renouned artist--this community would not settle for anything less!
It would cost a fortune to buid it now..but it needs to be refurbished!

Lets make a commitment to refurbish this beautiful sculpture so it may endure
for generations to come.
11:08 am edt 

Re: Beaux arts Ball

Town manager and staff should not be putting on events.  I would think
(hope) they have much more important things to do than party planning.
9:36 am edt 

Regarding the Beaux Arts Ball

With all the creative folks in town I'm surprised no one stepped forward to make
this event happen.  I wouldn't expect the town to put on this event, in fact I'm not
sure they would even be allowed to spend the money unless we approved it.  It's
unfortunate that no one else wanted to make the event happen.
9:35 am edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

No one stepped forward.  No proponent, no event.  Simple as that.

When and where exactly was it advertised that the town was searching for someone
to stage the event? I don't recall ever seeing or hearing anything about this. I
can't imagine someone would volunteer their services unless the town put out the
call for said services.

I agree with the last blogger - the town dropped the ball on this one. Another
missed opportunity. Maybe next year they will get their act together.
9:33 am edt 

Re: Maintaining the Town

Finally the town did not allocate another million plus dollars for a
project. One after the other every year. I did not originate the original post
about the cost of fixing the high school, but yes,let's close the schools and
send the few remaining kids to Truro or Wellfleet. Thank you FINCOM!
9:30 am edt 

Re: Maintaining the Town

Oh silly, pay for maintaining our infrastructure, how quaint. We are old, we
have no money having bankrupted our businesses through mismanagement and
lawsuits. We want to use the infrastructure but  don't want to pay taxes on it.
By the time it needs to be fixed we will be dead and those who come after us can
pay for it. To make sure of this we got ourselves on the finance committee. It's
the Baby Boomer way, it is called intergenerartional theft.
9:29 am edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Re: "No one said this was going to be an annual event, if you
expected it to be an annual event why didn't you do anything?

You dropped the ball."


Uh, I beg to differ. I didn't drop the ball. It was the town manager who said
they were reviving the ball as an annual event. Nobody ever said they were
looking for volunteers or financiers to organize the ball on this year. People
assumed it was going to happen because that's the impression the town manager
gave. "Annual" means every year, not just once because some rich guy funded it.
It was never said or implied that it was up to volunteers to put on the event
(or perhaps it was and I just missed that memo.) It was just another example of
the town manager patting herself on the back and making promises she had no
intention of keeping.

Thankfully the town didn't wait for a volunteer to pave Commercial St.
9:27 am edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Really? That's what it came down to? They were waiting for another
volunteer to fund the event?


Who is they?  Is there a party planning department in town?
9:24 am edt 

Saturday, October 6, 2012

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

"Sad, because last years event was such a fun success and so many were
looking forward to it happening again. Once again, P'town drops the ball."



Yes, you dropped the ball.  You sat on your     and waited for someone else to
do it for you.  You wanted the event, you should have got up off your lazy     
and made it happen.  No one said this was going to be an annual event, if you
expected it to be an annual event why didn't you do anything?

You dropped the ball.
2:43 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

"No one stepped forward.  No proponent, no event.  Simple as that."


Really? That's what it came down to? They were waiting for another volunteer to
fund the event? What about all that rhetoric last year from the town manager
about how the town was so pleased to revive this historic annual event? I guess
it was just that, rhetoric.

Sad, because last years event was such a fun success and so many were looking
forward to it happening again. Once again, P'town drops the ball.
2:23 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Business Guild

The PBG is being run by the director and his partner and is blatantly
using "nepotism" to gain a strong foothold to better the position of the "two
directors". None of the bylaws have been followed and the board is being
stacked.  I will not be joining again until this is remedied by a new director
who markets every event and the town in general.  One more post about the 2013
Carnival and I will puke
12:25 pm edt 

Re: Beaux Arts Ball

Hi there - does anyone know why they are not having the Beaux Arts
ball this Halloween?


No one stepped forward.  No proponent, no event.  Simple as that.
12:24 pm edt 

Re: Town Government - Pensions/Health Insurance/Overrides

"We need to stop offering new union hires a full pension and make them
pay more of their health insurace. Why can't we eliminate pensions all together
and deduct social security from their pay checks like the rest of the work
force?"



With your lack of knowledge or your inability to listen you sound like a FinCom
member.  How many times does it have to be stated that the pension system is
state mandated?  It may not be changed at the local level even if it's a good
idea to switch to a 401k type system.

In addition I believe it is required by law that all employees must be treated
equally with regards to their health insurance deduction, can't be different %
for different employees.
12:21 pm edt 

Re: Taxes

We can do projects.  We can run the town.  We need to manage overtime pay and
supervise employees.  Everyone needs a boss.

Why does it take 2 trucks and 3 DPW employees to turn off seasonal water?

Why does it take 2 or 3 police vehicles with personnel to respond to a call?

Why do police require Segways, motorcycles, cars, 4 wheel drives and now boats
to ride around in?

The town is 3 miles long!  I do not see any big time crime or arrests to warrant
this excessive policing.  The latest big deal in crime is stopping bicyclists
for proper hand signals.

I can't wait to see the new police station proposal.  Will we house all the
vehicles in another meeting room??

This town needs to get a grip.
12:10 pm edt 

Re: Natural Gas

To the poster who wishes we had natural gas available in Provincetown I agree.
It would cut energy costs dramatically. There is NO physical reason it can't be
done. The argument that you cannot run gas lines in sand is incorrect. Long
Island has gas lines throughout and much of the terrain is sand.

However the reality is that it would take massive and disruptive investment by
the regional gas provider to do so. It likely is just not worth it to extend gas
service further out the cape since there just are not enough potential customers
to justify the investment and, other than in Provincetown, the potential
consumers are too spread out to run all the lines needed.

However you can take advantage of the massive increase in domestic energy
production through propane. Though not as cheap as natural gas massive new
propane resources are coming online in the country. An up-to-date super
efficient propane furnace is much much cheaper to operate than an old oil fired
one. Also, and more importantly, until new pipelines are built much of the
northeast relies on offshore oil for heating oil. This means we pay
international prices for oil. Most of the rest of the country is benefitting
from ever larger production of domestic crude but we are not. Propane however is
mostly domestically produced and is a byproduct of natural gas and is readily
available from competing suppliers in our area.

So, if you want to dramatically cut your heating, hot water and cooking costs go
propane. Do the math and you will find that a new super efficient propane
furnace will pay for itself in as little as 6-7 years and faster if oil costs
continue to rise. Be sure to bid the job amongst several suppliers as you will
find radically different quotes. there are also some government programs that
can assist with this transition. An added benefit is that a propane tank, unlike
an oil tank, can be buried. You will also be doing the environment a huge favor.
Finally, be sure to also consider insulation upgrades as that is the cheapest
and fastest payback to cut energy costs.
12:08 pm edt 

Re: Your Paranoia is Charming

You may call it paranoia, I would call it a vendetta to spread lies against town
staff.
12:04 pm edt 

Time to Stop Large Projects After Mega-Projects

*Would you stop paving the streets?
*If the high school building maintenance has been ignored for years and it will
cost $1.5M to save the building would you just let it go?
*If the VMCC building costs $ to repair, but once repaired will allow us to
declare two buildings as surplus and sell them would you rather keep all three
buildings and maintain them?

What would be the real motive here?  Is it, as FinCom members have stated, to
close all schools here in Provincetown and send the children to Truro and
Nauset?
12:03 pm edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Mr. Gardner, like all town hall employees, is a public servant. As such, his
resume, job description and salary are public record.

You want to know what he does? Tag along.

The bottom half of town hall is pretty much his terrain. A wild and wooly world
down there, which he manages with skill and diplomacy.

We're lucky to have someone with his skill and experience working for us.

12:01 pm edt 

Beaux Arts Ball

Hi there - does anyone know why they are not having the Beaux Arts
ball this Halloween?  Thanks!
12:00 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Business Guild

Why would the PROVINCETOWN Business Guild want a president that does
not even live here?  Are we doing it only because this man who lives in
Worcester is best friends with the executive director and his partner?

This is just a slap in the face.  Are their ANY local business owners on the
board?   No restaurant owners, no gallery owners, no guesthouse owners, no shop
owners - are they serious?
11:59 am edt 

Re: Provincetown Business Guild

"I'm hearing the proposed new PBG president does not even live in
Provincetown, but lives in Worcester according to his Facebook  page.  I have a
problem with that.  This does not smell right."



That smell you're referring to, it's not the new PBG president, that is the odor
of the PBG itself. The smell of an organization that claims to benefit the town
but in actuality just stuffs the pockets and bank accounts of it's members with
little regard for the town or non-members. My understanding it that the PBG was
started in the seventies to give a voice and a push to new gay businesses and
business owners here in Provincetown. This certainly seems like an unnecessary
and antiquated notion in 2012. How about forgetting about a new president and
just disbanding all-together?
11:57 am edt 

Finance Committee Meeting on PTV

HOW can I find the meeting that took place last week? I heard that it was so
contentious. What is going on with them? I want to see it for myself.
11:55 am edt 

Maintaining the Town

We are the taxpayers. We need to maintain our buildings and our town. Soon a
beautiful new road will be installed in our town.

Millions upon millions of dollars in grant money are going into creating new
well fields and a new commercial Street.

Let us pay for the things that we must replace and refurbish. It is our town and
our buildings and our machinery.

11:54 am edt 

Re: Town Government - Pensions/Health Insurance/Overrides

My property tax increase each year and the amount spent by town
government are directly related. If there were fewer costs, a smaller budget,
then property owners might even receive a rebate. We need to stop offering new
union hires a full pension and make them pay more of their health insurace. Why
can't we eliminate pensions all together and deduct social security from their
pay checks like the rest of the work force?
11:52 am edt 

Provincetown Business Guild

PBG soon to be president not living in town is the least of the PBG's
problems. None of the Pbg's policies of officers and board members have been
followed.  Look deeply and you will find out what's really going on.
11:50 am edt 

Re: Finance Committee

If you watch finance committee members on PTV you can almost one to one one map
their posts over time here to their statements there. Time for finance committee
folks to stop promoting their views twice. Choose, either post here and get off
the committee, or serve there and stop posting here. Otherwise you are violating
the opening meeting laws by exchanging debate on issues over the web. Same for
the seeming additional adjunct unappointed FinCom members.
11:49 am edt 

Re: Town Manager's Assistant

This is not a new position, it is to continue funding the Town
Manager's assistant, who has been in her job many years.  The money
for her salary was transferred to the BOS to pay for their secretary, leaving
her without funding for her assistant, who already receives benefits.

If the Town Manager's Assistant is a part-time position, then when this
individual's pension and fringe benefits are calculated, such calculation  must
be made in accordance with the part-time nature of this position. Let's watch
this issue closely at Town Meeting.
11:48 am edt 

Re: Town Finances

Re: "Time to stop large projects after mega-projects. We can wait to
spend and should put a moratorium on spending. Town residents need a break from
taxe increases after tax increases."




If we stop spending on any building repairs immediately are your proposing we
close all schools in Provincetown and send the children to Truro and Nauset?
11:45 am edt 

Re: Town Finances

Ladies and       i mean gentlemen, the reason our town is in the financial
situation now would take hours and or a documentary to explain. It is a
longggggg story. Our finances were I repeat were in dissary due to mismanagement
by past the past Town Manager and the Boards of Selectmen ( Peake, Andrews,
Avellar, Rabinowitz et al) Monies were not well spent and projects were cut or
put on hold or just not exectued properly PERIOD! Blame is spread to the School
Committee and also The Superintendent and the lack of "vision" to complete and
or execute projects in a timely manner and with financial oversight. That did
not occur, items were CUT from the original plan to renovate both the VMES and
the High School because the number to repair/renovate was going to be expensive,
so items were cut, and now the day has come to clean up another mess with a
municipal building. Now of course it will cost us hundreds of thousands of
dollars MORE than it would have in 2004 or 2005 thank Mr. !
Wolfman and Mr. Roderick and others on that period of time. It is a repeat of
many other municipal projects that we now have to pay for at a higher cost. We
will need a POLICE station as well, the existing facility is a liability waiting
to happen. Hopefully the Building Committee will do their homework and present a
well researched and sensible project for Town Meeting to decide. It will cost
MILLLIONS of dollars so let's not put our heads in the sand.

More to come folks!! Happy Columbus Day weekend!!
11:43 am edt 

Re: Time To Stop Over-Spending in Town

"Time to stop large projects after mega-projects. We can wait to spend and should
put a moratorium on spending. Town residents need a break from taxe increases
after tax increases."



I agree wholeheartedly.  Let's have a stern talk with our town-owned properties
and streets and tell them to stop deteriorating until it's more convenient for
us.

11:40 am edt 

Friday, October 5, 2012

Time To Stop Over-Spending in Town

Time to stop large projects after mega-projects. We can wait to spend and should
put a moratorium on spending. Town residents need a break from taxe increases
after tax increases.
10:11 am edt 

Re: Here We Go Again!

"Another winter creeping up upon us..geesh only 600 bucks to fill the oil tank..i
do hope its not going to be really cold..i do think it makes sense to sell and move
up
cape where natural gas is available 70 bucks a month to heat and cook and shower
year round..what a price to pay to live around here..

....no wonder everyone moved away "


If everyone moved away, why is there a housing shortage?  do you mean everyone
like you, a complainer who doesn't understand the unique geographical challenges
this part of the Cape has that make things like access to natural gas difficult
to impossible?  I think it makes perfect sense for you to move away.  Bon
voyage.
10:08 am edt 

Re: Town Meeting Shenanigans

"Watch out at the next Town Meeting for  one of the Town Manager's
usual tricks to request for us to fund a position an Assistant's position
(hers), for which we'll later have to pay this new Assistant's retirement
benefits and pension at the level of a full-time employee, instead of a
part-time employee.  Beware of shenanigans!!! "


This is not a new position, it is to continue funding the Town Manager's
assistant, who has been in her job many years.  The money for her salary was
transferred to the BOS to pay for their secretary, leaving her without funding
for her assistant, who already receives benefits.

Your paranoia is charming.
10:06 am edt 

Re: Here We Go Again!

". . .I do think it makes sense to sell and move up cape where natural
gas is available 70 bucks a month to heat and cook and shower year round. . ."



Sounds like that would be the sensible thing for you to do.
9:46 am edt 

Re: Personal Thanks

"I would like to personally thank the dog officer RUTHANNE COWING who
is always there to help out in any emergency with my pets . . ."


Acknowledging town employees should not be on this blog.  We are only here to
trash them and tell them they are overpaid.  What are you thinking?
9:45 am edt 

Re: Retirement

"loser" is a 5 letter term for someone that didn't plan for the future but
rather decided to live only for the moment."


Whoops.
7:03 pm edt

Retirement

Retirement is a 10 letter word for sloth!


Vile is a 4-letter word for someone who judges others without knowing their
personal situation.
9:44 am edt 

Re: Town Government - Pensions/Health Insurance/Overrides

"Got $5,000.00 worth of property tax bills today. To anyone who
questions the need for reform in the union benefits package, pay my bills!"



The two things are not related.  Your property values are based on what is
actual buying/selling (although property is usually assessed at a lower price
than one would get if it were sold).  Changing union benefits isn't going to
make your property more or less valuable.
Instead of complaining, why not enjoy the fact that you live in a beautiful town
and have a nice property?
9:39 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

Re: " . .However, David Gardner does a good job. He alone could run
this town. Maybe we need him alone and we'd be fine. . ."



What does David do?  What is his job description?  In a typical week what
responsibilities does he fulfill?  What do you think are his strengths?  What do
you think are his weaknesses?  How many people does he supervise and which
departments report to him?

The questions listed above are meant as no reflection on David, but rather to
see how much you actually know about David's job.  You are stating that 'he
alone could run this town', but I'm curious as to how much you actually know
about David's work.
9:30 am edt 

Re: Tax Bill

Re: "I just got my tax bill. Taxes went up again!  What's going on?"


Are you trying to stir the pot or are you that ignorant?  If voters approve a
debt excluded project your taxes will go up when the money is borrowed.  If your
assessed value goes up in relation to other properties in town your taxes will
go up.  At the minimum if no borrowing occurred and all assessed values remained
the same your taxes will go up by 2 1/2 %
9:27 am edt 

Town Meeting Shenanigans

Watch out at the next Town Meeting for  one of the Town Manager's
usual tricks to request for us to fund a position an Assistant's position
(hers), for which we'll later have to pay this new Assistant's retirement
benefits and pension at the level of a full-time employee, instead of a
part-time employee.  Beware of shenanigans!!!
9:25 am edt 

Finance Committee Meeting Last Week

Please provide a PTV link to last weeks finance committee meeting--I can't find
it.
9:23 am edt 

Personal Thanks

I would like to personally thank the dog officer RUTHANNE COWING who
is always there to help out in any emergency with my pets and she has always
made sure that i have food for my animals as well as some perks like treats
etc..she is like a breath of fresh air.I dont know if anyone realizes how hard
she works at getting donations and the stuff a cruiser for pets was a huge
success this summer..once again thank you
9:19 am edt 

Here We Go Again!

Another winter creeping up upon us..geesh only 600 bucks to fill the oil tank..i do
hope its not going to be really cold..i do think it makes sense to sell and move up
cape where natural gas is available 70 bucks a month to heat and cook and shower
year round..what a price to pay to live around here..

.....no wonder everyone moved away
9:16 am edt 

Tax Bill

I just got my tax bill. Taxes went up again!  What's going on?
9:14 am edt 

Re: Pension Problem

Why does anyone listen to these people complaining about the employees
pensions< the town is the one who chose barnstable county retirement, no social
security was ever taken out of their checks and many of these retirees worked 35
yrs or more..i am sure the ones complaining never stayed at the same job
ever..after many years of devotion to the town of provincetown our retirees
deserve what is coming to them with respect and they have earned their
way.....what a bunch of MOANERS
9:12 am edt 

Re: Town Govenment

So many wonderful, strong, friendly, inteligent, caring and giving
people I can think of from my childhood and early adulthood years must be
rolling and fighting to get out of their graves to address the oh so
selfimportant people we have given the chance to be in public position in this
town...Its a shame...shame on you all. Provincetown was here long long before
you and will be here long long after your gone. count your blessings you have a
wonderful place to call home and try to think of others herer who dont care for
being in the (small) public eye, but could do such a wonderful job if they chose
to...Your not running the state.. its just this tiny wonderful town
9:09 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

"Only someone who has no idea of the work load of both these two
positions would ever question why they are needed. "



It's common I think for Cape towns to have a Town Manager and a deputy with an
operational focus. The real question is why we have a Town Manager, Asst Town
Manager, Director of DPW, Asst Director Of DPW.  Yet virtually every project is
bungled. Everyone's in charge, no one is accountable.

If the Town Manager cared as much about Public Works as she does about the
Police, Provincetown would be in much better shape.



9:06 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

This town Does not need an assistant town manager


I came from a town in CT which was 37 sq miles and a population of 25,000 and
the town consisted of single family homes, condos and 4 schools and we had only
a Town Manager.

Why a town of less than 3,000 year round for three quarters of the year we have
a so much when back in CT we did more with so little staff.


Just saying
9:04 am edt 

PBG

I'm hearing the proposed new PBG president does not even live in
Provincetown, but lives in Worcester according to his Facebook  page.  I have a
problem with that.  This does not smell right.

I've long been a supporter of the PBG, but I have question this move.
9:02 am edt 

Re: Assistant Town Manager

"Now, Sharon even wants another assistant just for herself. .  ."


Please get your facts correct, I know that's difficult, but at least try.  The
town manager is not requesting any new staff. None.
9:00 am edt 

Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Re: Assistant Town Manager

This town Does not need an assistant town manager

Now, Sharon even wants another assistant just for herself. Bergman did fine
without an assistant town manager.

However, David Gardner does a good job. He alone could run this town. Maybe we
need him alone and we'd be fine. We would also save money.
5:23 pm edt 

Re: Town Government - Pensions/Health Insurance/Overrides

Got $5,000.00 worth of property tax bills today. To anyone who
questions the need for reform in the union benefits package, pay my bills!
5:21 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Re: "The current town manager had the amount in the budget and chose to
fill the position of assistant town manager."



Only someone who has no idea of the work load of both these two positions would
ever question why they are needed.  Please try to educated yourself before you
begin talking on a subject.  Do you have any idea at all what these two
positions do?

I didn't think so.
4:06 pm edt 

Town Government - Pensions/Health Insurance/Overrides

Unfortunately some people get nasty when discussing certain
issues-town government appears to be one of them.

Benefits for union employees, in Provincetown, have to change. The pensions for
new hires should be set-up as a 401K program. Health insurance should be a 50:50
split for all town employees.

I believe this is more than fair. Promises made in the past concerning pensions should
be met as best as possible. However, the town manager needs to freeze new hiring and
not renew any new union contracts until change is made. Property tax overrides should
not occur.
11:30 am edt 

FinCom Meeting

Watched the FinCom meeting from yesterday, it was on TV last night,
has to be a reason why that meeting was on the same day it was taped?

Does the guy in black shirt (I think Canizalles) ever shut up?  Why is Yingling
speaking at the meeting and involved in discussion?  Same with moderator, she
supervises the committee, she is not part of the committee.  It was the most
contentious meeting I've watched.  Nasty stuff.
11:28 am edt 

Re: Pension Problem

Re: " Gradually the return will be more realistic and the gradual
change is one the towns in the system can absorb."



Thanks for this info. Makes sense but from a political perspective NOT economic
reality. We have people here quoting FinCom saying "hey, all is ok." Meanwhile
we have the people who are supposed to run the system saying "hey, we know we're
fibbing but if we stop fibbing slowly towns can handle it better."  It just
means the cost is going to be greater to fix the problem and the target for
fully funding rapidly recedes into the future.

As noted previously a step in the right direction would be for the Barnstable
retirement system to ask their actuary (the people who produce the report) to
include a table at the end of the report showing the impact of various level of
returns lower and higher than that assumed in the report.  If I were a union
leader negotiating with the town I'd demand this so my members could see how
realistic the negotiated pensions are.
11:25 am edt 

Assistant Town Manager

Re: The blogger inquiring as to the need of a town manager and an
assistant - we probably don't.  The assistant to the town manager was created to
give a job to a friend in need. Then it became asst. town manager when "to the'
was dropped placing it in a more elevated position. The prior town manager with
a degree in public administration didn't find a need for an asst.,so for 17
years that he was here he never required that position. The mistake was made by
the voters when the budget came up at town meeting each year and it was
suggested to delete the line item for the assts. position the generous voters
and fin com chose not to vote it out. The current town manager had the amount in
the budget and chose to fill the position of assistant town manager. Had it been
cut before that would have been a savings of approx. $70,000.00. That's your
answer.
11:14 am edt 

Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Re: Retirement

"loser" is a 5 letter term for someone that didn't plan for the future but
rather decided to live only for the moment.

Whoops.
7:03 pm edt 

Retirement

Retirement is a 10 letter word for sloth!
6:58 pm edt 

Re: Pension Problem

"Is our FinCom up to this challenge, are our Selectmen? .....- not a
town employee, not a fincom member nor sleeping with any of them (that I know
of)"



Dear Not a town etc etc,....

You  sound like you know a lot about this pension issue. Why not apply for
FinCom? Or run for Selectmen! It would seem either group would benefit from your
knowledge? Your posts are interesting but would be more useful and relevant in a
public forum?
6:56 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Summer must be over. Have you nothing else to do but complain?

Why do we have both? Unless you've been hiding under a rock during the last five
years, read the town reports.

Next you're going to say we don't need a new police station.

7:24 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Re: "Why do we have a town manager and an assistant town manager? What is
the salary of each?"



In fact, why have an assessor, let's just tell people to think about what their
home is worth and send us the money.

But, we don't need a treasurer or collector either, people should just bring
their money to the bank, whatever they think is right, and tell the bank to
deposit it into the town account.

And we don't need a finance director either.  If we count up all the money in
the bank and deduct the amounts taken out for what people needed to do town
stuff whatever is left we'll call free cash.

Before you decide which positions are or are not needed why don't you get a clue
as to what they do?  Oh wait, when they were talking about                were
they talking about you?
7:22 pm edt 

Re: Health Insurance

Re: "BUT, if something isn't done the complete smoke and mirros of
unrealistic assumptions about stock and bond markets in the pension calculations
are going to catch up with us . . ."


I won't pretend to be an expert here, but I did ask the Finance Director some
questions.  As I understand it the pension system was assuming an 8% rate of
return which might have been OK years ago, but not now.  The pension board knew
that, but also knew if they dropped it immediately down to 4% it would create a
large unexpected burden on the towns and taxpayers.  This year they dropped the
assumption to either 7.875 or 7.75%, I don't remember the % he told me.  Next
year they will drop it again, by a small amount.  Gradually the return will be
more realistic and the gradual change is one the towns in the system can absorb.

I would agree we are in pretty good shape with the pension liability, it's the
health insurance that's a problem.
7:19 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

Re: "The town maneger is doing an excellent job...."

No the town maneger is doing a terrible job for the town but a wonderful job
for her self.
7:16 pm edt 

Re: Pension Problem

Skyrocketing health care costs are a problem in every business and at every
level of government in our country.  The town has slashed benefits and placed
more burden on staff, but it's still expensive (AND FEDERALLY REQUIRED) to
provide health insurance to eligible employees.

Pensions are similar.  Do you expect people to spend their working years here
giving their all for the town and then just be left floundering on their own?
Maybe your idea of retirement is to put all retirees on a boat and let it drift
out to sea unattended.  That would solve 2 problems- pension costs and that
pesky housing problem.
7:13 pm edt 

Re: Town Manager

"Why do we have a town manager and an assistant town manager? What is
the salary of each? Does a town this size need both? Seems like the assistant
town manager answers most of the questions at selectmen's meetings. Maybe we
just need him and combine the two jobs."

Yet again this tired complaint.  These are 2 very separate, very full-time jobs
with different responsibilities.  A town 'this size' is not the 3,000 you people
so desperately like to pretend, but rather a town of up to 75,000 on any given
day.  We're not Mayberry, we're a real town with real departments and real
issues, and that requires professionals to manage.

7:12 pm edt 

Parking

If the Town wasn't so accomodating with free parking for out of Town
cars, the pension short-fall could be funded! Why aren't there parking meters
everywhere where there isn't residential only parking? A comprehensive parking
management analysis, duh?
7:09 pm edt 

Roslyn Garfield and Pet Parade

A drizzly Sunday afternoon in Provincetown. A touching tribute to Ms. Garfield
at Town Hall, the epitome of the spirit of Provincetown and at the same time,
The Pet Parade. That is why I love this town.
8:59 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

Why do we have a town manager and an assistant town manager? What is
the salary of each? Does a town this size need both? Seems like the assistant
town manager answers most of the questions at selectmen's meetings. Maybe we
just need him and combine the two jobs.
8:58 am edt 

Re: Watch This Space

Maybe your neighbors will be even more relaxed when that
pesky, nosey dog owner leaves also?  Just can't seem to mind their buisness.
8:57 am edt 

Re: Pension Problem

Re:  "but at least we are heading in the right
direction"


First, DID FINCOM READ THE BARNSTABLE RETIREMENT SYSTEM REPORT, DO THEY EVEN
KNOW WHAT IT MEANS? If they had read it the minutes wouldn't be off by ten
years.

We are only heading in the right direction on paper not in reality. The biggest
bond rating agency in the world says our assumption is completely unrealistic.

That said you are right that health insurance is a big and urgent problem.
Fortunately the town took one step in right direction there and the changes made
recently sliced the problem in half but that remaing half is still a big number
and is unfunded as well.
8:51 am edt 

Re: Pension Problem

Re: "the "little' people here were working for this town that you
compla[i]ners claim to love"


Hey, I don't think you should be shorted one dime of your pension. I'm as
worried for you as I am for the non-town employee taxpayers. We shouldn't back
off promises made.

BUT, if something isn't done the complete smoke and mirros of unrealistic
assumptions about stock and bond markets in the pension calculations are going
to catch up with us and either a) there is not going to be enough money to pay
all of your pension or b) a huge tax increase will be needed which means, if you
own a home in your retirement, you too are going to get hit with it. For future
workers, starting ASAP, governments have to switch to a system that puts money
into a 401K like account which can't be withdrawn except in dire circumstances
or at retirement and is invested in sensible choices.

The very first step would be for someone (hello; town? county? state? union
leaders?) to deliver an absolutely honest reckoning of what the costs will be if
the totally unrealistic assumed returns of the pension plan do not happen? How
about just outlining the costs to each town for a range of scenarios. What does
the sytem look like if the returns average only 4%, 5%, conversely what if they
average 8% The choice of one assumed rate that the pension fund will earn for
the next 30 years is TOTALLY FALSE. There is a 100% probability that number will
NOT be correct, maybe it will be lower (likely), maybe it will be higher
(unlikely).

While I'm worked up about this how about a total accounting of all the costs to
run this town and be honest about it. How much is it going to cost to run,
properly maintain buildings, pay healthcare for past and current employees, keep
up with energy cost increases, trash disposal, water system, roads, etc over the
next 20 years? What if inflation is 4%, what if it's 1%? What if oil goes to
$200 a barrel over the long term? What if healthcare cost increases don't calm
down? That way residents can decide if they want to stick around to pay those
bills or sell now while the getting is good. Alternately we could have a honest
debate as a community about how to start addressing those costs. The sooner we
start addressing them the cheaper the solution is.

Right now we go along pretending everything is ok and it isn't. But until our
politicians and all of us have the guts to face the true costs, and see what
alternate scenarios/outcomes look like under a VARIETY of assumptions not some
mythical point estimate we can't even begin a rational discussion. The
fundamental problem is that long term issues take long term answers but are
being decided by people who have to get elected every few years so are afraid to
know the truth. It isn't just Provincetown it's practically every town and state
in the country as well as the federal government that suffers the same problem.

Is our FinCom up to this challenge, are our Selectmen? Or are we so trapped in
our little psycho-drama of who controls what that we don't have the time or
courage to do this?

- not a town employee, not a fincom member nor sleeping with any of them (that I
know of)
8:49 am edt 

Re: The Post Office

"the land could be developed for housing and I
don't mean government housing"



I want one of those affordable waterfront condos.  Where do I sign up.
8:42 am edt 

Re: Town Manager

How many Townies does it take to run a Town Mnger out of town???  
none seems their doing it on their own   NEVER A DULL MOMENT
8:39 am edt 

Monday, October 1, 2012

Re: Watch This Space

WATCH THIS SPACE--FOR DOG LOVERS

The guy with the attack dog that he walks and which lunges at any dog it
sees--and which has gotten free a few times--(The police were called)has moved
out of town to another town near by.

My neighbors and I are able to breath freely now and we do not have to carry our
dogs when we go out of the house and walk past this house.
1:54 pm edt 

Concerns and Opinions

Passion for your town and it's govenment are great attributes. Please
allow people the opportunity to continue to express their concerns on your blog.
Thank you so much.
1:52 pm edt 

Re: Paying Taxes

Re: "The USPS (post office on commercial nest to S savings bank) needs
to be relocated near the dog park or elsewhere off the main drag.  the feds dont
need waterfront property.  the land could be developed for housing and i don't
mean government housing.  what is the land valued at now?"



It is exactly this kind of evil thinking that has made this town what it is
today - a summer playground for the super rich and a cash cow for greedy real
estate agents. I guess it was only a matter of time before they came sniffing
around the post office. Hey, let's get rid of the artist studio on the second
floor too. Why should some poor shmuck artist be allowed a to have a valuable
water view? The greed just never ends. Soon we will have "Ye Olde Historic Post
Office Condos." They won't be happy until the bay side of Commercial is one big
condo complex and the other side is a giant strip mall.
11:49 am edt 

Re: " Village Idiots"

To tne blogger who said "there's more trained people now than the
village idiots that usedto work those jobs", how do you define a village idiot?
Is it someone w/o a degree or certificate? It's an old story that those can be
bought and that piece of paper doesn't always define the owners
intelligence!Some didn't have the advantage to further their education  but
learned more "hands on" and others made it a trade off to live in their place of
birth even though they could have been professionals elsewhere.Stop hanging
labels for something you don't know about.Businesses and residentslive happily
because businesses weren't greedy! They allowed customers to charge food,fuel,&
clothing all winter and to pay when they could, which was usually when they had
more financial success in summer from fishing,rentals,etc. Their was an alliance
,like a band of brothers and sisters that co-existed here that by some standards
or by elite would be called village idiots. It was a way!
  of life here that some would find unacceptable today if there wasn't money to
go to Europe for the winter!
9:45 am edt 

Re: Paying Taxes

The USPS (post office on commercial nest to S savings bank) needs to be
relocated near the dog park or elsewhere off the main drag.  the feds dont need
waterfront property.  the land could be developed for housing and i don't mean
government housing.  what is the land valued at now?
9:35 am edt 

Re: Town Government Spending

Thanks for pointing me to the FinCom minutes regarding pension
funding. It also led me to the Barnstable Retirement System January 2012
actuarial report.

First, the minutes are wrong. the minutes say the Town is incrementally funding
the pension obligations to be funded fully by 2028. .  .


Hmmm, FinCom minutes are incorrect and no one on FinCom noticed?  And they are
our watchdog?

I appreciate the time you took to do the research on all of this.  I would
contend that the bigger problem is the unfunded health insurance liability. 
According to the FinCom meeting the pension liability is now over 50% funded,
the return estimates may be optimistic, but at least we are heading in the right
direction.  I don't think the health insurance liability has been funded at all,
I think it's pay this year's cost only.  With increasing health care cost I
think this is the bigger problem and it's only getting bigger.
9:32 am edt 

Re; Watch This Space

Not to be rude but why should we all care?
7:49 am edt 


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