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Saturday, March 31, 2012

Sorry David But You Have Done Just Too Little

I would vote for you but what have you done for the town? I can't think of any
vote where you took control and headed up some agenda that was good for us.

You have sat there and I know you wanted to be Chair but what, yes, what have
you really done?

I look back and  can't think of anything. Sorry.
11:21 pm edt 

Re: Erik Yingling- Worth Reading Again..

So, maybe the 5% thing won't work.  I don't see why frankly, but maybe it won't. 
But it's an idea.  One that is based on the underlying idea that maybe by
supporting a local bank we can foster more local lending.  Tell me please what's
wrong with that as a goal?
11:17 pm edt 

Police-DPW Building

People act as though this was a sudden idea. If the banner had been doing
articles on its progression since 2009, then people would have known about it.

Too bad there wasn't a big article about it the way that there is now--Front
page news!

Lets keep up the good work.
2:56 pm edt 

Bumpy Streets

Yep, our streets are bumpy--so why are people speeding?

I say lets lower the speed limit 5 miles so instead of going 25 MPH people have
to go 20 MPH.

I have a hard time turning into traffic from the side streets. I want an easier
time. Summer tourists are coming--so folks, lighten up on the gas peddal and
save yourself from getting stopped.


2:49 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

Was looking for another piece of information on the cemetery in the
annual report and read the BOS had 89 meetings in the most recent year reported.  
The finance committee had what, maybe a quarter that number and Erik missed
half, was late for another 1/4 of them.  Why would we assume he's now going to
make it to the BOS meetings when there are 4 times as many?
2:44 pm edt 

Yingling and Seaman's

Here's my two cents on this.

In theory this is a great idea IF we lived in a community that had more than one
bank.  In a big city it could work because there would be competition in rates,
but here, no.  If the selectmen make a policy decision to ensure that 5% of
their cash assets are placed in the ONLY bank in town, where is the fiduciary
responsibility of the treasurer to achieve the best return on investment?  There
is none.  Seaman's will have the ability to tell the town what they will pay on
the town's investment.

As a business owner in town, I do all my banking with Seaman's because I can
choose to do so.  I like knowing that someone local has first hand knowledge of
my business decisions.  But my decision to do this costs me money.  Seaman's
does not offer the best mortgage rates (sometimes upwards of 2% or more) and
when money got tight over the last few years, they became very conservative in
their lending.

I expect the town, using my tax dollars, to do things differently and get me the
best rates they can, wherever they can.
2:42 pm edt 

Re: Cemetery Funds Missing?

Re: "Astrid stated it was in safe hands? Where? Is it collecting
Interest? Why is the cemetery comm. asking for funds from the
Town??? This cash was only to be used for the Winthrop cemetery, . ."



I would suggest talking to someone on the cemetery commission or the town
finance director.  I know the town has a cemetery perpetual care fund, but I've
never heard of a fund only for Winthrop St.
2:38 pm edt 

This is Not the Best BOS Group

They are so weak. We just deserve better. What ever happened to their voices?
They should be more than chess peices that a town manager can move across the
board.

Aren't they her boss? Well---act like it.
2:35 pm edt 

Re: What Has David Bedard Done for Us?

The question is raised. the answer waits to be answered.

Persoanlly a nice guy but....no leadershhip, no hard stands for just too many
years.

I'm glad we now hava a choice.
2:33 pm edt 

You Must be Kidding.....Aren't You?

"I'm not voting for a puppet being controlled from the shaddows by God
only knows who."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, most intentionally or unintentionally funny post ever on this blog. 
All we've had for years is people being controlled from the shadows.
11:38 am edt 

Erik Yingling

". .  I read on Facebook that he has a policy advisor. . ."


It sure didn't appear to be a joke and if he has someone behind the scenes
pulling his strings we have a right to know.  I'd hope he's smart enough to make
his own decisions, but now I'm starting to wonder.

11:35 am edt 

Re: Cemetery Funds Missing?

I am still confused requarding the missing Winthrop cemetery
Cash. Astrid stated it was in safe hands? Where? Is it collecting
Interest? Why is the cemetery comm. asking for funds from the
Town??? This cash was only to be used for the Winthrop cemetery,
No others. These former citizens,the dyers,nickersons, etc. donated
This money for upkeep of the cemetery. This is still stealing in my
Book!
11:29 am edt 

Re: Erik Yingling

"1) Massachusetts limits deposits at 10% of assets in any single
institution,"


I'm learning more about Massachusetts law everyday, probably more than I want. 
Can you point out the law that limits it to 10%?  That seems hard to believe as
it would require every town to work with no less than ten institutions.   Were
can I find that law?
11:27 am edt 

Erik Yingling

Isn't the point that he wants to try to shake things up a little?  We've had the
same old tired group of people beholden to developers and the real estate
industry for too many years.  We're now a completely condo-ized town with a
dwindling population and no year-round industry.  So well done.

No foresight, no planning and no ideas.

So, maybe the 5% thing won't work.  I don't see why frankly, but maybe it won't. 
But it's an idea.  One that is based on the underlying idea that maybe by
supporting a local bank we can foster more local lending.  Tell me please what's
wrong with that as a goal?

He wants to figure out ways to encourage people to live her year-round through
policy choices.  Might take some trial and error but, again, what exactly is
wrong with that as a goal?

He's like a little more deliberation before we dive into a massive undertaking
like the Police/DPW project.  If you look at what he's said, he recognizes the
need for a new building.  He'd just like a little more deliberation and for more
of the town to be involved in the decision.  How is that bad?

Yes, I realize that anyone can call Town Hall, attend meetings, etc., which is
the repeating refrain on this blog.  "You didn't go to the meeting so it's your
fault."  And I'm sure it is entirely possible to read agendas, plan to attend
all of these meetings and work a day job, but I haven't figured out how to do it
yet.  How wonderful that Erik is using social media (like this blog) and other
outlets to bring people into the discussion.  I predict a record turnout on May
1.  And there is NOTHING wrong with that.
11:25 am edt 

Drugs and Police

When you read these blogs and then have a chit chat with certain people in this
town, then think about everything, you really have to start wondering. Rumor has
it that this Police Department always had one Police Detective and now it has
three. I am not sure what is needed in this town to get the job done about the
drugs in this town but I do know when I read the newspapers and see how
Barnstable has two Detectives roaming certin areas and they are arresting
several people while a town the size of ours that wouldn't fill one of
Barnstable Villages can't make one drug arrest, makes me wonder what is going
on. However, let's go out and stop every vehicle they see for even minor things
so they can get their quatoa's in is very sad and is eventually going to catch
up and hurt this town. It may take awhile for the word to pass but when it does
it will have an impact. What does make me laugh is how this Chief claims to have
worked undercover for 10 years and as far as I am concerned, he couldn't find
crack cocaine if it was under his nose and so far his detectives can't either.
11:24 am edt 

Erik Yingling

Wow, the webmaster has taken to publishing the names of businesses who
are supporting Yingling?  Is the blogmaster now his campaign manager?
8:56 am edt 

Re: Erik Yingling

"Get real,   If the candidate feels it is so important why would he pick only
5%, why not 50% or 75%?."



1) Massachusetts limits deposits at 10% of assets in any single institution,
Erik has apparently chosen a moderate approach of half the limit? But ask Erik
hes been all over Town talking with Voters, ask him yourself.

2) I wish the Provincetown had more official documents and policies online. I am
able to easily find investment policies from Towns large and small online. Why
do the BOS and TM keep these policies unavailable to Ptown voters?


8:50 am edt 

Re: Yingling Committee

" Erik should know..  I read on Facebook that he has a policy advisor, looks
like his policy advisor isn't doing a very"


I think the policy advisory comment is a joke. This advice was coming from
someone who doesn't support Erik and "Policy Advisor" was better than  RedBear
or similar alias.
8:46 am edt 

Yingling Committee

If he claims to have advisors and such, the voters should know who these people
are. As far as I'm concerned, the person I'm voting for is the person that makes
his own decisions and has his own thoughts based on the input he gets from the
public. I'm not voting for a puppet being controlled from the shaddows by God
only knows who. That's a very scary thing in small town government. And pretty
stupid too. Guess his political advisors weren't smart enough to figure that out
prior to posting it on the website.

Eric is losing more and more votes every day. He just lost mine.
8:42 am edt 

Re: Erik Yingling a Breath of Fresh Air

"What were Mr. Bedard's comments on these matters when he voted in favor of the
$14,000,000 project. It was only after clearer minds prevailed that he changed
his stance at the Board of Selectman's meeting on Monday. "



Is is true that Bedard voted for the $14,000,000 Police station before the
public hearing! I'd say he has tons of courage for that might be the most
unpopular vote in recent BOS history...
8:37 am edt 

Re: Cemetery Funds Missing?

"Spoke to a former cemetery member and it turns out mr. Bergman
Dipped into this money .  .  ."


And some folks want to go back to the practices of Bergman?
8:35 am edt 

Erik Yingling

"Section 55B. All moneys held in the name of a city, town, district or
regional school district or any other account under the jurisdiction of a city,
town, district, or regional school district or officer thereof, which are not
required to be kept liquid for purposes of distribution, shall be invested in
such a manner as to require the payment of interest on the money at the highest
possible rate reasonably available, taking account of safety liquidity and
yield. . ."


I'm confused.  The section above is the section listed by a previous writer to
say a selectman may dictate in which banks the Treaurer may invest.  But, it
says the Treasurer must invest to get the highest rate possible and if Seamen's
doesn't offer the highest rate wouldn't Erik's policy be against Mass law?
8:32 am edt 

David Bedard

"Please Tell Me what David Bedard Has done for all of us. I am open to
the answer. I was glad when he first ran. But, really, what has he done for any
of us?"




I'd ask the same question of any selectmen and I think most of us wouldn't be
able to come up with anything.  The more I thought about why that would be I
realized the selectmen's job is to manage the town manager and make general
decisions about running the town.  It's not a glamourous job, not sure why
anyone would want it.  If they do their job the town runs smoothly, its
buildings are maintained and we aren't getting sued. 

When it comes down to it I'd probably only notice if they were doing a bad job. 
The town is running smoothly, we made good financial strides forward, we're
paving streets in the fall and we're getting our buildings in shape.  I'm not rocking
that boat and making a change when things are going well and we're heading in the right
direction.

8:28 am edt 

Erik Yingling

Re: "Wrong again. The Treasurer works for the Selectmen. It is the
Selectmen who develop and adopt the investment policy . . ."


A good investment policy will never dictate what banks and/or investment firms
are to be utilized.  And an individual selctman will never alone have the
authority to dictate which banks will be used.  That's what Erik is saying - 'he
pledges to ensure at least 5% of funds are deposited at Semen's.

I'd be curious to know how much $ we have at TD Bank who has a local branch in
town.  Does Erik find that OK or does the bank have to be locally owned?  I'd
like to see Erik state if he's received any contributions from Seamen's, does he
or any of his family bank with Seamen's, the potential conflict of interest are
significant.

Get real, it's a political gimmick by a candidate.  If the candidate feels it is
so important why would he pick only 5%, why not 50% or 75%?.  It's a political
gimmick, take it for what it's worth.
8:26 am edt 

Erik Yingling
Erik Yingling9:30pm Mar 30
Endorsements from Local Businesses


Endorsements from Local Businesses

by Elect Erik Yingling on Friday, March 30, 2012 at 9:26pm ·


Victor's

Mussel Beach Health Club

Spiritus Pizza

Bubala's by the Bay

Enzo's

Old Colony Tap

The Surf Club

Twisted Sister

George's Pizza

Bliss

411 Studio

Rego's Automotive

Shop Therapy

Poli Gallery

Big Vin's Liquors

El Mundo

Glass Half Full

Century

Sal's Place

Coastline Tattooing and Art Studio

The Wired Puppy

Provincetown Medical Group

Meads Brothers Inc.

Mercedes Cab Inc.

Northern Lights Hammock Shop

Nor'East Beer Garden

Global Gifts

Cafe Edwige

Charles-Baltivik Gallery

Angel Foods

Sacha Richter Studio

Sniff K-9's


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8:08 am edt 

To: Webmaster

Funny how you Clarence pick and choose what posts are made public.

Any words of truth about the drug problem and posts that cut down the Police for
doing nothing....doesn't get posted.

We need a true blog. Open and honest.

8:06 am edt 

Re: Cemetery Funds Missing?

Cemetary Funds

To a previous poster, yes there Was a problem with the funds
during Bergman's administration. In fact, the last years of his
position as Town Manager there was no Cemetary Commission.

When Ms. Lynn became TM , I was appointed and resurrected
(no pun)  the commission. Within no time, we had a quorum
and immediately looked into the finances.

It took months ofwork for the commission and the financial
department of the Town to locate the funds.  We found the
appoximate $250K and it iscurrently invested and guarded closely.
 
I am no longer a memberof the commission due to my inability to
attend the majority ofmonthly meetings but rest assure that all is
currently in orderand the New Commission is dedicated and have
made great progress.

Please support their CPA request at Town Meeting.

Astrid Berg
Former Member
8:00 am edt 

Friday, March 30, 2012

Erik Yingling a Breath of Fresh Air


Mr. Yingling's proposal to work toward the placement of Provincetown funds in a local
financial institution is perfectly legal.

He is proposing an action that every forward looking locality has enacted.
He is expressing his thoughts as a proposal, which would require the disposal
via a majority agreement of the entire Board of Selectman.

Discussions of his being in conflict are woefully out of order and foolish, reflecting
the very nature of the problem with the current Board. Had Mr. Yingling been
on the Board, perhaps the issue of a new police station and dpw facility would
have taken a different tack.

What were Mr. Bedard's comments on these matters when he voted in favor of
the $14,000,000 project. It was only after clearer minds prevailed that he changed
his stance at the Board of Selectman's meeting on Monday. 

He is indeed, as a previous poster commented, a "Shadow". I liken him more to being
a feather in the wind. Here, there, everywhere. 

11:14 pm edt 

David Bedard-A Shadow

Please Tell Me what David Bedard Has done for all of us. I am open to
the answer. I was glad when he first ran. But, really, what has he done for any
of us? I can't think of anything. I'm not trying to be harsh but he has been a
silent voice for who? He has been too weak, lacking courage and has done nothing
that I can think of.
10:47 pm edt 

"Wildlife Refuge"......Where?

The town sent out a survey and I am curious about something mentioned
in the survey in the list of places the town takes "care" of so to speak.  The
"wildlife refuge" on Shankpainter Rd.  Where is this refuge exactly?  I go down
this street and see nothing but buildings and buildings and Supermarket and the
old "Piggys" and restaurants and a flipper place (townies will know the term)
and then more buildings.  Is the wildlife refuge at the new "affordable
housing"?  Where is it exactly?

Just asking.  (and don't bother whining about copyrights, I added a "g")
10:43 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

 "All we can say is to the lottery winners, enjoy your affordable housing brought to you by
the people of Provincetown."


I will be sure to send you all a Christmas card.
10:41 pm edt 

Erik Yingling is Correct

The proposal to deposit Provincetown taxes in a Provincetown based bank is is
legal.

Provincetown doesn't make it's investment policy public, most other Mass towns
do. Google or look at other municipal websites to find a examples.

With Yingling on the BOS, you will see our local money being re-invested in our
local community. And a transparency in our financial affairs our wizards have
resisted for some time.


Here are the base laws:

Massachusetts General Law Chapter 44, Section 55
Massachusetts General Law Chapter 44, Section 55A
Massachusetts General Law Chapter 44; Section 55B
10:37 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

I have reservations about Erik's ability to be a selectperson, that's
not an attack on him it's just an opinion, I don't think he's ready.  But, even
if he was ready I'd need a reason not to vote for the incumbent and I don't have
one.  I think Bedard has done a good job in a difficult position.  If I EY were
running against someone else in a few years I would consider voting for him, but
not now.
10:34 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

". . .Sorry Ptown finance wizards,  in an attempt to attack Mr
Yingling, you err again."


I'm no financial wizard, but having served on a couple of committees I do know
there are certain things you can't do like if you are on zoning and you own
abutting property you should recuse.  Erik should know basic conflict laws and
it's concerning that he doesn't.  I read on Facebook that he has a policy
advisor, looks like his policy advisor isn't doing a very
10:33 pm edt 

Cemetery Funds Missing?

Can anyone explain when the $250k that was entrusted to
The town for safe keeping,be returned??? The money was originally
Given by many old families for perpetual care of Winthrop cemetery,
This was private money,not the towns.

I spoke to a former cemetery member and it turns out mr. Bergman
Dipped into this money for another matching grant for something,and
It was never returned to the cemetery,after numerous requests.
Isn't this called stealing ?????? This happened over 5 years ago!
I would hope that someone could make this cash reappear,and
With interest on the original $250k!
10:29 pm edt 

Parking Department-Another One Bites the Dust?

I too just heard that Bruce one of the parking enforcers has resigned! 
I bet the powers that be are happy! He is the only one in that department who
knew what was going on and treated the tourists and residents with respect with
always a joke or a smile. Guess you cant have a personality to work for the
parking department! What a true loss!
10:25 pm edt 

Another Town Employee Pushed Out!

So do we want to cut payroll costs or increase it?  Seems like town manager is
wrong no matter what she does.
10:23 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

Erik and is absurdly ignorant ideas are going to get us into hot water
again with the Massachusetts Department of Revenue if, he becomes Selectmen.
Haven't we been there before? And how many years did it take to get off the
watchlist?

Erik, do the right thing for the good of Provincetown and withdraw from the
race. Bedard is a better choice.
10:19 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Read the first two words of the article - 'State Treasurer'.  It is
the job of the Treasurer to decide how funds are invested and what banks they
are in."


Makes sense, if the governor of the state tried to tell the treasurer what banks
to invest in folks would question the governor and ask his connections to the
banks.  does governor bank with that bank, had banks made contributions to his
campaign?  would make it even worse.
10:17 pm edt 

How About This For a Parking Suggestion.

If you own property with a curb cut and space for parking, you are ineligible for a
parking sticker.  Only those who own property without parking spaces should be
eligible for a sticker.  If you have a place to park,then  Leave your car at
home and save the available spaces for those who own places without parking or
tourists who pay.
10:15 pm edt 

Re: Provincetown Monument's Books

"Has anyone requested a little look-see of the Monument's books?  And
the rumor the Trustees' health insurance is paid for."



The Monument is a huge symbol of our town, instantly recognized by everyone. 
That's all the monument is to me.  I don't send people up there, don't care what
they do.  Just as they don't care what we think.
10:08 pm edt 

Erik Yingling-Is Correct

"Sorry, but you are wrong on this one.  Read the first two words of the article -
'State Treasurer'.  It is the job of the Treasurer to decide how funds are
invested and what banks they are in.  It is NOT the role of a Selectman, an
employee is hired to make the decisions.  Mr. Yingling,  meet the Ethics
Commission if he tried to influence the Treasurer on how to do his or her job."


Wrong again. The Treasurer works for the Selectmen. It is the Selectmen who
develop and adopt the investment policy that the Treasurer follows. Using local
businesses is completely valid criteria.

I think you might have a grudge against seamans'? Ehh?
10:05 pm edt 

Police Department Performance

Yes, the police are way to extreme pulling cars over !
I would really love to see the monthly tally mr .jarad has.
I recently had a friend pulled over for the stupidest reason,sirens,
Flashing lights etc,and believe me ,the reason was so rediculous
I didn't know you could be stopped for it. The banner recently had a
Poll of citizens seeing our police hiding to pull cars over,over 70
Percent answered yes. When our visitors come to town,they all
Ask" what's up with all the police on commercial street? Ptown
Was never like this before!
I have great respect for our officers in town,but there's nothing that
Turns people  off more than a overly aggressive force. Ptown
Citizens Are calm,low key and caring people. We all live here for this
Reason and maybe it time to look inside ptown for our paid officials,instead
Of candidates who want to save us.
10:01 pm edt 

Police Dept's Custodian

Another Town Employee pushed out. I heard this morning, the custodian
has made the decision in the best interest of his family and future to retire
than stay around and be another political puppet to the Town Manager
and Police Chief. Wish the Custodian and his son the best.
11:58 am edt 

New Police Station-Fire Station

I was at the fire station last week. Everytime I go there it is empty.
None of the rooms except one are being used. What a waste of space and energy.
Let the police move in. A small annex could be used to add to the current
building. We cares if the fire department says no. Most of them don't even live
here.
11:56 am edt 

Police Station

Agreed we need a new police station. Not one of such magnitude or one
that is hidden in a gully. It should stay on Shank Painter Road, where it is
now, or at the fire station or move it to the high school.
11:55 am edt 

Erik Yingling

"Sorry Ptown finance wizards,  in an attempt to attack Mr Yingling, you
err again."

"GROSSMANS SUCCESS | GLOBE EDITORIAL
State money in small banks
August 29, 2011

STATE TREASURER Steve Grossmans Small Business Banking Partnership. . ."


Sorry, but you are wrong on this one.  Read the first two words of the article -
'State Treasurer'.  It is the job of the Treasurer to decide how funds are
invested and what banks they are in.  It is NOT the role of a Selectman, an
employee is hired to make the decisions.  Mr. Yingling,  meet the Ethics
Commission if he tried to influence the Treasurer on how to do his or her job.
11:51 am edt 

Make People Obey the Speed Limit

It is so hard to get onto Bradford street from a side street in the summer. Get
the locals in the mind set not to speed--especially not on Shank Painter rd
where we have a low income housing development.

Obey the speed limit and you don't have a problem..I don't get it. People break
the law and expect no consequences.
11:46 am edt 

Provincetown Momument's Books

Has anyone requested a little look-see of the Monument's books?  And
the rumor the Trustees' health insurance is paid for?  This is Association money
being used to further the organization's mission?
9:30 am edt 

Parking Department Office

The parking office should be open on Saturdays and should not close
from noon to 1pm to the public so the two clerks can eat lunch together.
9:28 am edt 

Re: Town Managers Performance

One of Keith Bergman's fans appears to be irritated when someone said
Keith didn't do in seventeen years what the current Town Manager has done in
less than five. The deterioration of the police station & DPW bldgs. didn't just
happen now. The comment made was that they were deteriorated & unsafe when he
was here and he knew it and didn't address it in 17 years.  If the Town was sued
now,any good lawyer and judge would question prior long term negligence which
has now become more dangerous and much more costly than it would have been
before. The blogger made a simple comment of fact which struck a wrong cord!
9:27 am edt 

I'll Even Take Keith Bergman Back

He had his issues but he knew morehow to run a town than our present official.

Please come back. It's time for a change and you would be a change.
9:24 am edt 

Judge a Town Manager by the Number of Overrides

Seven overrides. Seven wrong decisions. seven overrides that should be involve
cost cutting, cutbacks, and no new raises.

But no. Overrides are viewed as the solution instead of solid leadership. That's
how I judge this town manager.
9:21 am edt 

Re: Article 9 on the Warrant

"Why in the world are we giving $45,000 to affordable housing
developers.........."


That piece isn't spending any money, it just puts in reserves.  You can relax,
it's no another housing boondoggle.
9:16 am edt 

Erik Yingling

Here is a Boston Globe Editorial about the efforts to put public money
into local institutions. Mr Yingling has suggested a similar moves for
Provincetown as the Commonwealth has taken to much acclaim. Sorry Ptown finance
wizards,  in an attempt to attack Mr Yingling, you err again.




"GROSSMANS SUCCESS | GLOBE EDITORIAL

State money in small banks
August 29, 2011

STATE TREASURER Steve Grossmans Small Business Banking Partnership is a smart
way to invest more capital into the Massachusetts economy at minimal, if any,
cost to the taxpayer. Its so smart that the Legislature should look for ways to
make it permanent - while also putting guidelines in place to protect it from
any bias or favoritism that could be shown by future treasurers.

Grossman has, on his own initiative, set aside up to $300 million in state funds
that would ordinarily be put in large banks. He pledges to invest them instead
in community banks offering similar rates of return, as long as the community
banks promise to use the additional deposits to make loans to small businesses.
The program is anticipated to involve up to 70 or 80 banks statewide, which will
receive up to $5 million each. Its a great way to pump more money into statewide
job creation.

The only problem on the horizon is that this program is entirely at the
treasurers discretion; there are no statutory guidelines for choosing which
banks can participate. Grossman seems to be using his discretion wisely, but its
easy to imagine how such a program - which funnels taxpayer money to select
banks - could be abused.

Therefore, the Legislature should consider ways to apply minimal safeguards to
prevent future treasurers from rewarding friends or supporters in the local
banking world. Such protections need not be overly elaborate and bureaucratic,
but rather should seek to ensure that treasurers have the flexibility and
discretion to continue the Small Business Banking Partnership without the
temptation to help some banks and punish others for personal or political
reasons."

9:15 am edt 

Affordable Housing

This should go by  means of need.  Preference to locals first..Not as lottery... 
Preference to someone who has been waiting for awhile on a list and not someone
who just comes here and submits and gets chosen! Anyone can say they have no
place to live.. I know families who have been waiting on a list for quite
sometime and another family who comes here from who knows where with no place
and gets first priority.  Why would someone move to a place knowing they have no
job or no place to live?  It makes no sense..  Those seem to be the ones who
benefit!

I guess the key to housing is cry homeless and you move right to the top!
9:12 am edt 

Re: Erik Yingling

"As your selectman, I pledge to ensure that at least 5% of your tax
dollars are deposited in local banks such as Seamen's Bank."



Don't forget, this guys on the finance committee. And now he weants to go on to
the BOS???????  Really???
9:11 am edt 

Parking

Is it true that Bruce the meter officer got done?  What is going on in the
parking office?  What a loss for the town...
9:09 am edt 

Provincetown Freebies!!

This town cannot afford "freebies" anymore.  Not with the huge
projects being proposed and already, disgustingly, set in plaster and concrete.

Sorry, just about every town on the Cape has a "resident" sticker.  No free
parking anymore.  A "resident" sticker is in order, but at a discounted cost to
those showing a car registered to their Provincetown address.

Town employees are not "entitled" to a premium parking spot.  Where in their job
description or contract is that stated?  Fend for yourself just like every other
resident trying to conduct usual business at town hall.

Affordable housing?  There is nothing affordable about this for taxpayers.

Land to developers?  Please, only when they have had their fill and can gorge no
more will they call it quits and maybe move on to Truro.  If Truro allows it.  
Shankpainter is sickening and I don't care how many "families" in need it helps. 
Sorry, don't buy it.  These ugly conglomerations aren't stuck up out of the
goodness in developers' hearts.  Sickening.
9:08 am edt 

Erik Yingling

Re: "At least 5% of your tax dollars are deposited in local banks such
as Seamen's Bank"



Good for him for thinking of new ideas.

Bad for him for not thinking it out before he speaks.
9:05 am edt 

If We Know Why Don't They?

Re: "Now if Ptown can take care of the MASSIVE DRUG problem and do
something about it like other towns on the Cape, then Ptown Police will get the
recognition they would so rightly deserve."


Nice to see someone writing in a public forum what so many have been saying for
so long. The drug problem here is huge. Last week I was eating in a restaurant
and several known local dealers were sitting at a table not far from me. These
people have been making a fortune selling drugs in this town for years. The
people I was sitting with all commented on it, as did friends at another table
who came over to say hello. It's like one big joke: If everyone in town knows
who the dealers are, do the police really expect us to believe that they don't??

9:04 am edt 

I Don't Feel Comfortable

I have lived in Provincetown for 20 years. No problems with police and
their presence, except with the last police chief who I felt was out of his
element.  However, recently I have noticed speed traps all over the place and
have seen cars constantly being stopped. The more I see of this the more I
realize that I feel intimidated by the frequency of it and find myself tense
when driving. Not a good practice. Not a good thing. It is overkill at this
point. A new police station may bring new and more police. Enough is enough. I
heard there was a quota of 4 stops per officer per shift. Is this true. This is
a tourist town and our economy rests on tourists feeling comfortable. I don't
and I live here. I wonder how others will feel.
9:01 am edt 

Landlords Make the Rules

No dogs, no smoking on the premises, all are legal.
8:59 am edt 

Proliferation of Housing Developments

1970's PEACE AND LOVE AND ANTI ESTABLISHMENT
So many people who could have bought a place in the 70's poo pooed the idea. Why
bother--rents were dirt cheap.

Free love and anti establishment were the idea of the day. Marriage was passe
and free love ruled the day. Nothing wrong with these ideas--we all championed
the idea!

However, A two family house could be bought for $34,000.00. people who were
coming here and working here and who wanted to make a life here could work a
summer and put a down payment on a house. You could work and do that then.

Anyone of my friends could have done the same and many did..and then they sold a
few years later. Meanwhile, folks just kept renting.

I was in my 20s and my co workers were around my age. Some just kept renting and
going off to warm waters in the winter.

Then people wanted to live here--even just part time. They worked and bought
condos. People converted their 3 family homes into condos. People still wanted
to live here and rent here and not buy a place.

People would have a landlord or a landlady and the landlord or land lady rented
a year place at a modest rent because they paid $15,000.00 for their house back
when they were young. The rents were cheap and the and landlady or landlord just
kept getting older.

One day the landlord or the landlady dies. The heirs look around and see what
rents are and suddenly the place that was renting for 20 years for $200.00 went
up to $800.00 a month.

Now the renters are in a pickle! They are still here--but barely hanging on
renting. A few years ago they were all in the paper because the rooming house
they lived in for years was sold.

Suddenly, they thought that due to bad planning on their part that this was a
housing emergency on the town's part.

Now the affordable housing is here--and there are still complaints. All we can
say is to the lottery winners, enjoy your affordable housing brought to you by
the people of Provincetown.

Now let us enjoy the town and stop the proliferation of housing developments.
8:57 am edt 

Re: Town Manager's Performance

Re: "but the Police Station report was published on her watch and she
did nothing about it"


Are you completely living in a reality distortion field? Do you have any touch
whatever with the truth or facts?

Facts about Town Manager & Police Station:

1) Commissioned analysis of Police Station
2) Took methodical approach to then examining alternative sites or revamping
existing facility
3) Commissioned initial development plan for new facility combined with new DPW
facility and associated initial estimates of financing costs.
4) Presented all at two public meetings and to Selectmen as well as worked with
Finance Committee
5) Listened to public input and feedback from Selectmen and decided there is
need for more time, delayed vote on issue until fall.

Those are the facts.


8:50 am edt 

Yes to Question:

"Are Police pulling more people over?"

Rightly so. Break the law-pay. I give them credit for doing  part of their jobs
finally. Ptown has been so lax on law breakers in the past, it's nice to see
they are finally enforcing the law. I agree with the earlier poster about Ptown
police being the laughing stock "joke" force on the Cape. All residents and law
enforcement officers know this about Ptown Police.

Maybe if they start getting the MANY DRUG DEALERS in town like every other force
on the Cape does, then they will get the repect of residents.


8:48 am edt 

Thursday, March 29, 2012

Affordable Housing Monitor

Re: "Provincetown must hire a "Monitor"(s). These people will enforce
the rules: No Smoking, No subletting, No summer income from renting out your
couch."


Can you really enforce a no-smoking rule?  If they live in an affordable housing
unit do they lose rights as a citizen?  I don't smoke, that's not the point, but
can't think how a no smoking rule enforceable or legal.


11:35 am edt 

Erik Yingling

"As your selectman, I pledge to ensure that at least 5% of your tax
dollars are deposited in local banks such as Seamen's Bank."



I understand from the above comment on Facebook that Selectmen candidate Erik
Yingling is suggesting that as a Selectman he will 'ensure at least 5% . . .be
deposited with Seamen's'

I wonder if he realizes this is most likely illegal.  A selectman who insists
that money be funneled to a local business he supports, I'm guessing you can't
do that.  Supporting local businesses is an admirable concept, but you can't
insist the town funnel money to local businesses because you want to, let alone
does candidate Yingling know anyone on the board of directors at Seamen's or any
of their officers?  Conflict of interest?  The state would be all over him if he
tried to do this.


11:33 am edt 

Affordable Housing

PROVINCETOWN: HOME TO LOW INCOME DEVELOPERS

Provincetown has the most affordable housing on the cape because we have award
winning affordable housing developers living here!

One bought the expansive, exclusive property on the cliff by the Provincetown
Inn.

The other award winning developer with vast real estate holdings around the
state has the headquarters right on the road to Rt 6.

Of course Provincetown is over developed with affordable housing. Except what
I'm hearing is that there is no difference in price from what one lottery winner
wrote on the blog.


11:31 am edt 

Parking Lot Solution

Free Resident Passes
$50 Passes for Property Owners
Fishermen Park on Fishing Pier
No Passes for anyone else
11:29 am edt 

6 Housing Lottery Stories

These are the PEOPLE I know who applied for the housing lottery.

One person I know who was in the lottery has been here for over  20 years and
didn't get an apartment.

Another person who moved here in the Spring for the lottery and who owns a house
off cape didn't win the lottery.

Two people who moved here 2 months ago for the lottery didn't get it

Two different people from two different states who AREN'T EVEN LIVING HERE (they
work here in the summer) didn't win the lottery.

Everything is a secret. Who won, what they pay and how much the company makes in
rents in each month one filled to capacity.
11:28 am edt 

Article 9 on the Warrant

Why in the world are we giving $45,000 to affordable housing developers when the
apartments are being rented at market rent prices?

VOTE NO on Article 9. Long time residents lose out to new comers who moved here
for the lottery.
11:27 am edt 

Affordable Housing

IS IT TRUE: AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS          THE RENTERS?

Is it really true what a housing lottery winner said?

After buying and giving the land to these developers, people who won the housing
lottery and reject the win because the price is the same as the open market?

How much money will this company be racking in rents each month?

How could the Affordable Housing lobby and its advocates  Elaine Anderson and M.
Coutour allow this to happen?
11:24 am edt 

Parking Department

For the last two weeks the Parking Office has been closed on Thursday-Monday due
to "Staff Meeting"..  Parking stickers
use to be available April 1st..  Is there any reason why the office can not be
open on Saturdays until non for the weekenders?   Perhaps it's time three get
cross-trained?  You can't even pay a ticket on a weekend without harassing the
Police...
11:21 am edt 

Police Policies of Intimidation

Just curious- how many people have been pulled over this year by the police?
Seems like the policy of the chief is to pull as many people over, then find
something wrong and not the reverse. It's about intimidation. Not what I want in
Provincetown. Chiefs have come and gone in this town, it's time for this heavy
handed chief to go!
11:20 am edt 

Affordable Housing

Actually, they do specify that these are non-smoking units. Gas heat, electric
and hot water are not included. Also, subletting is not allowed - how will this
be enforced, I don't know. But I do know that at the end of the lease you have
to go again through the financial process to see if you still qualify. And
what's all this about the rent being 150 a month? rent will be based on the
occupant's yearly income. I wish people would spend less of their time spreading
non-sense and do some research first. And how would one stop people from working
under the table? First of all, that's tax fraud. Obviously, the government
hasn't figured out a way to stop it, why should the developers do that? Living
here for 5 years or more when one has lived in Ptown only for 4 years makes the
first person more deserving? I know people who really needed to get an apartment
and they didn't. I truly feel for them, as I have been struggling with the whole
housing issue in the past. But it was a lo!
ttery, and i guess that's what people don't seem or don't want to understand.
No one should judge someone who got one of the apartments as not being as
deserving as another person, you don't know someone's situation just by seeing
that person at a bar or at the supermarket. I used to love Ptown and all the
people living here, but I am starting to feel like there's no more love or
compassion left here. If you spend all your time on the Internet complaining
about this and that, then what's the point of you still living here?
11:18 am edt 

Affordable Housing

So the same blogger is back to constantly rehashing his same old rants
about the town giving away his hard earned tax dollars for affordable housing.
Please spare us. We know how you feel and your just repeating yourself. You hate
the idea about outsiders moving into town, blah, blah, blah.Give it up! Its a
done deal! It is NOT going to go away! Get a life!
11:15 am edt 

Town Manager's Performance

You wrote:

"Why are some bloggers always attacking this Town Manager who's only been here 4
or 5 years and has accomplished more in that time that Keith Bergman did in
seventeen?"

I reply:


The issues is about current actions and Sharon Lynn is the Town Manager. It
might be she is getting poor direction  from the Selectmen, but the Police
Station report was published on her watch and she did nothing about it.

The litigation risk alone should have been enough to get her attention. Can you
imagine Lynn on the stand being sued for 10s of millions in a wrongful death
lawsuit:

"I wrote that memo 3+ years ago your honor."
"Yes I Sharon Lynn wrote  about the fire risk and did nothing".
"Yes I  Sharon Lynn spoke frequently about the unsanitary plumbing but did
nothing even though I knew HIV + people often have compromised immune systems."
"Yes I Sharon Lynn knew about the rusty locks and did nothing"
And heaven forbid:
" I am so sorry someone died in our jail your honor, I thought I could bet
against the odds and hoped to get a new station  while I ignored warnings to the
contrary."

11:14 am edt 

Affordable Housing

So we have huge waiting lists for affordable rental housing, facebook is filled
with pleas for leads on any housing, yet the selectmen want to spend $2.6
Million on greenspace. An admirable goal, but market rate, much less affordable
year round housing is virtually non existent these days.

Housing for squirrels not people? Let's rethink that spending and vote those
items down.
11:10 am edt 

PTV's Great Service!

Flipping channels I happened to see the PTV show that talks about each
warrant article.  I didn't catch it from the start but, I think it's a great. 
Pats on the back to staff and everyone who was a part of this.

PTV, I'm becoming a big fan, you are really providing a great service to the
town !
11:09 am edt 

Yingling vs Bedard

Why should I vote for Eric Yingling? Why does he want to be a
selectman? What has David Bedard done that is positive since being elected? Can
anyone tell me the difference between these two candidates?
11:07 am edt 

Seven Overrides on Next weeks Town Ballot.

Seven times we will be asked to pay more property tax. Seven times.  If you own a
home and do not want to pay more in property tax, you had better go to town meeting
next week. Not one-seven.

This is the reason why proposition 2.5 is law.  Government can not
stop with spending increases.  Is there one substantial, long term cost saving
on the ballot to lower taxes? No!
11:05 am edt 

Re:State of the Town Speech

This can be viewed now online: http://vimeo.com/39295634

You can also view presentations for the town warrant articles:
http://vimeo.com/39295633
11:03 am edt 

Fiscal Responsibility

Re: "Create More Jobs...  you should hire 3 "tourism ambassadors"


Where do these crazy ideas come from?  What other town in the US has this crazy
job description.  Why don't we hire locals to pick up trash and have it be part
of their job to answer questions if a tourist approaches them.  It is amazing
how out of touch with reality some people in this town are. If we want elected
officials who will make a difference, let's vote for candidates that will by
fiscally responsible, not individuals who want to create unnecessary jobs at the
expense of the tax payers.
11:01 am edt 

Affordable Housing

Re: "Now a person who won the lottery said that a one bedroom is the
same price as a one bedroom on the open market?
Section 8 will only allow a person to rent a one bedroom that goes for $900.00."



I don't get this.  Can someone please explain?  How is affordable the same as
market rate and if it is why are we giving $ to Malone to build?  There must be
a mistake in what is reported here.


10:59 am edt 

Affordable Housing

We were lucky enough to get a place in the affordables. It was make or break for
us. We have been here for yes 5 years now. We don't vacation in exotic places or
drive expensive cars. If we didn't get this, we would have probably been packing
up after this summer. We are a young couple just starting our lives together and
now we have good reason to stay here. Hopefully there are more cases like this.
Some people that shouldn't have gotten a place in the lottery did get a place.
And many who deserved it got one as well. A lottery was the most fair way of
distributing these places. If someone who doesnt live here claims they do and
got a place, they will most likely not make it through the second process where
they will look at your info in greater detail. I'm sure its much more fun to
conspire and thrash out at whoever you can. All you have to do is read the
facts.
10:56 am edt 

Cudos to Provincetown Police

Law is Law. Period. Nice to see several arrests for drunk driving lately. 
Speeding, drunk driving, illegal drug use et ,  REGARDLESS if it's a "townie" or
not! You break the law you deserve to face the consequences.

For many many years Provincetown Police have turned a "blind eye" in many cases
because the town is so small. Finally they are doing their jobs and you people
are complaining? Don't like it? Move! Ptown police have been the laughing stock
of the Cape for MANY years. Nice to see the Chief is making his men/women do
what it is they were hired to do.

Now if Ptown can take care of the MASSIVE DRUG problem and do something about it
like other towns on the Cape, then Ptown Police will get the recognition they
would so rightly deserve.


10:53 am edt 

Police Station

Why not buy the kennel on Shankpaintor, lots of parking, huge basement and a
great building. a lot cheaper than 14 million. Make a great police station.


10:52 am edt 

Town Manager's Performance

"Why are some bloggers always attacking this Town Manager who's only been here 4
or 5 years..... Bergman screwed up everything for years... Some people won't
admit that they don't like women in positions of authority even if they're
smarter... "



Oh no, here we go again. Moral imperative, anal-oral-vaginal rape, police
haters, and now women haters! And maybe brain envy???

Whatever else the Town Manager has done or hasn't done, the repairs at the
police station are by her own account critical. Yet those repairs remain undone.
It really doesn't matter if Bergman-Monster would have or would not have done
better.

Let's evaluate the current Town Manager by looking at what needs to get done and
see if those key accomplishments are in fact happening. Relative to the police
station? Not yet. I sure hope the Town Manger doesn't get the towhn sued for big
bucks.


10:48 am edt 

Town Hall Employee Parking

I agree and I disagree.  There are some employees like inspectors who
probably need to use their car on a regular basis. 

The person who takes the money to the bank should have parking.  Town manager
should have parking.  I can't think of anyone else who should have it, but there
may be logic for a few others.  I agree it should be looked at.
10:46 am edt 

Re: Restructuring Town Finances

"Town employees should pay for half of their health insurance benefits
and be enrolled in a 401K plan.  This should hold true for the police department
and teachers union as well."


As someone said earlier can't do a 401K plan until state changes law.  % of
health insurance benefits is up for negotiation.


10:44 am edt 

Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Developers Paradise

It seems that over the years we taxpayers bought millions of dollars worth of
land and gave it to developers.

Now a person who won the lottery said that a one bedroom is the same price as a
one bedroom on the open market?

Section 8 will only allow a person to rent a one bedroom that goes for $900.00.
2:17 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Wait List
 
50 people were chosen for apartments. 300 people signed up. Does this mean that
is now a waiting list of 250?

If all of these units are rented, can't they be rented for life? What if two
single renters become a couple; can they move into a one of the apartments and
rent out the other and make a nice piece of change?

What is the expected wait time for the next 50 people in line? I imagine that
number 250 will be waiting years for an affordable unit.

11:05 am edt 

Rental Rates

Call them and ask them what the rental rates are and post them here..
508-487-9087, TTY 711 or email to planding@tcbinc.org
10:51 am edt 

Renters Speaking Out

How an you say the rents are the same as the open market and the only difference
is an update?

These rentals are a bargain. They are subsidized. What is the rent? Is the heat
included?
10:49 am edt 

Town Employee Parking

You are correct about the employee parking at town hall. If those
spots were collecting money from meters in high season, it would be significant.
After the season, employees could return to their spaces. Makes sense

10:45 am edt 

Town Manager Performance

Why are some bloggers always attacking this Town Manager who's only
been here 4 or 5 years and has accomplished more in that time that Keith Bergman
did in seventeen?

Bergman screwed up everything for years and no one seemed to
care. He was not transparent and most wasn't discovered until the Town's
finances were reviewed by different financial wizards who discovered why he was
so secretive.  It came back to haunt him. He's not been very employable for
quite a while. 

Some people won't admit that they don't like women in
positions of authority even if they're smarter sometimes.  Keep in mind Keith
knew about the problems at the Police Station and the DPW buildings  and did
nothing to improve any of it for seventeen yeatrs.Look how much more it's
costing now!
10:42 am edt 

State of the Town Speech

IS THERE GOING TO BE A STATE OF THE TOWN SPEECH?

In past years, the town manager has given a state of the town speech. Is one due
this year?
10:38 am edt 

Affordable Housing Couple

This couple who have been able to swing the rent here all of these
years--suddenly have a subsidized apartment.

Instead of Ruthie's..the whirl wind shopping will now be done on Newberry
St..starting with a mani-pedi and then Eileen Fishers! and the plaza for lunch.
Ah and Tiffany's beckons!

Instead of open mike night at the Mews..it is a weekend getaway to New York and
the venue at Madison Square Garden.
Lady GaGa and Madonna Concerts.

I know the drill..I've seen it happen..and then the boat tied up a the pier! and
the lavish winter Vacations and cruises!
10:36 am edt 

Restructuring Town Finances

I believe the town manager can negotiate town employee contracts when
they come-up for renewal.  Why not let all town employee contracts expire and
renegotiate the health insurance and pension at the same time.  Town employees
should pay for half of their health insurance benefits and be enrolled in a 401K
plan.  This should hold true for the police department and teachers union as
well.

10:34 am edt 

Affordable Housing Rules

The law states that a two bedroom apt can have up to four people. What happens
when mom and Dad move in with little Susan who is 9 years old.

What happens when 15 year old Johnny from a first marriage moves in? Does the
family then move into a three bedroom apt?

What are the rules when a one person rents a one bedroom apt and then rents the
pull out couch to a friend for $1,000.00 a month?

What are the rules about smoking?
10:23 am edt 

Affordable Housing

Re: "We build an affordable home for this family from Truro and then
we, yes the Provincetown taxpayers, pay approximately $45,000 to send these
students to Nauset."



I heard that conversation also on TV.  The school superintendent was talking to
either the BOS or the finance committee when she said their budget will work
unless more high school students move to town because we will need to pay for
each one that goes to Nauset.  I didn't understand what she meant then,
understand now.
10:21 am edt 

People Apartment Hunting

At least two guys who came up here two months ago with all of their furniture
found out that they didn't get a housing lottery apartment.

Now they are scrambling and may even have to sell their furniture. A king size
bed and oversize couches do take up room.

I'm sure that lots of people are scrambling or will just go back to where they
are living and wait for their place in line to open up.

Yep, Affordable housing, paid for with taxpayer money and the lottery winners
are--strangers.
10:18 am edt 

Parking Lot

"The parking lot off Prince St. fills up almost everyday in the
summer.(lot a,b & c)  Moving people from one parking lot to another is not going
to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars. .  ."



Look it up on town web site. Park for day at MPL $30 - park for day at Grace
Hall $20, by itself that would increase revenue if more paying people parked at
MPL
10:16 am edt 

Affordable Housing

"Get your facts right!  EVERY town on the Cape has affordable housing......."



Point is that Provincetown has built much more affordable housing per capita
than almost any town on the Cape.   Truro?  Wellfleet?  Hardly any in comparison
10:13 am edt 

Town Hall Parking

Town hall parking is not costing the town several hundred thousand dollars a
year.

Ban long term parking at the municipal wharf parking lot and give the taxpayers
a break.

Only one more year and then we will change these regulations.
10:11 am edt 

Hire an Affordable Housing Monitor

So many eligible people are in line for these affordable housing units.

Provincetown must hire a "Monitor"(s). These people will enforce the rules: No
Smoking, No subletting, No summer income from renting out your couch.

"Renters" must stay in their units year round. They can't work under the table.


Just like at a Anne Page way, soon you will see people driving these super
charged trucks and cars that cost a years salary.

After the big new car or truck, then comes the boat, then comes the spouse's
car. Then the condo in ski country.

I could live large too if my rent was only $150.00 a month.
10:10 am edt 

Affordable Housing Income Each Month

How much money does Provincetown make off of the housing development at Shank
Painter Rd?

Who at town hall would I contact?

Why are is the CPA still giving money to these developers?

I don't see the value of creating housing for the people who come here every
summer to work. It is supposed to be for year round people.

10:08 am edt 

Local Housing Fairytale

The lottery categories should have been.
1. *Year Round* locals 20 year or more residency.
2. *Year Round" locals 10 year or more residence.
3. *year Round* locals 5 year or more residency.

The truth is that anyone in the country who comes here to work could put their
name in the lottery. There aren't 350 people in line for this--there are several
million in reality.

10:06 am edt 

Affordable Housing Income

How much income will the monolithic housing project give to the town? How much
will they make each month in rent?

I was born here in 1948--my grand child is a toddler. What year will this
affordable housing complex rent at market value?

Just wondering if it will be around when my grandchild grows up.
10:04 am edt 

Article 9 $45,000 For Community Housing

Why are we *STILL* giving tax money to affordable housing?

1. We have a monolith of affordable housing sprouting up on Shank Painter Rd.
How much rent will they be making each month once they are finished and filled
to capacity?

2. Don't complain about your taxes going up and the cost of employee benefits if
you aren't in favor of the town making $400,000 in 100 days by banning long term
pier sticker parking.
10:02 am edt 

Affordable Housing

I was chosen for a one bedroom.. Ive lived here year round now for a
4 years doing the 'winter summer shuffle' so I was really happy to be picked.
It's not all that affordable FYI.. In fact, it's about the same for most of the
outdated 1970's 80's kitchen bathroom ptown units that rarely if ever get
updated by landlords but the rent keeps going up. The only think making me
consider the 'affordable housing' is the newness and green construction of it.
9:59 am edt 

Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Town Hall Parking Should be For Citizens Doing Business at Town Hall

I'm tired of town employees thinking these spots belong to them. Why? We're
already paying for your positions. why should we pay for your free park all day
parking spots and pay nothing to the town? Sorry, you do not deserve this. Park
like everyone else. Walk. Bike. Taxi.

You do not deserve to take up parking spaces because you  are "important."
Sorry. You are not and it's time to walk or take the bus.
11:46 pm edt 

Maybe It's Time for Town Employees to Park at Grace Goveia

Time to stop taking all the benfits. Time to walk to work. That would be a good
change. Time for town employees to stop taking up all town spots all the time.
This is ridiculous.

time to leave all the spots near town hall for toan hall activities and not for
privileged employees.

this would be a healthy change. No more entitled town employees and maybe a few
of them would lose a few pounds by walking a little more.
11:43 pm edt 

Police Station Disrepair

" Town Manager wrote a report over  3 years ago, noting
that the jail was below minimum legal and safe standards. Not a single finger
was lifted to make our police station safer.
Not a single item noted in the report was fixed. Negligence."



I hope Lynn fixes the dangerous aspects very soon, because as so many here have
worried on this blog, the Town faces a HUGE legal risk as it treats it prisoners
so poorly.

Since the litigation risk is imminent, why wait so long?
11:41 pm edt 

There's a Way to Get Rid of Pensions

You file the equivalent of bankruptcy and *poof* those obligations get to be
eliminated or renegotiated.  Read what's happening at some large municipalities
around the country.  If town employees keep pushing for big expenditures they
are sowing the seeds of their own future ruin.  Don't think it can happen? 
Google it.
11:39 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

My problem with affordable housing is that it dosen't stay affordable. 
After so many years it can be sold at market rate.  What is the logic of that? 
We will always be building affordable housing.  It should be rental only.
11:37 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

Word on the street is that several people who were chosen in the
lottery have turned down the "affordable" units because in reality they weren't
that affordable.

If I'm making 100 dollars (hypothetically)a month and the people in charge
decide that I can afford to pay 95 dollars a month for rent, well, it doesn't
sound so tempting anymore, does it?
11:36 pm edt 

Affordable Housing-Self Imposed Poverty

How many residents who have been here for living in Provincetown year round for
over 5 years have gotten an affordable housing unit?

I've worked here side by side with people who worked in the summer and went to
South American, Souteast Asia, and now South America..and they apply for this
housing.

This is dead wrong. Why? It is wrong because they are choosing this lifestyle
and want the taxpayers to support them with this affordable housing.

There is the "deserving poor" who are hard working locals who deserve this break
and there are the folks who have been doing this since they were in their 20s.

Then they brag about their jewelry and investments. I can't wait to find out if
they have it..I'll go in person and tell the "investigators" that this guy
bragged about his $300 bottle of cologne and $5,000.00 ring etc etc. etc.
I can't print his name because the webmaster would block it.
11:35 pm edt 

One Law for All

The Police Chief said it best of all. Each time inspectors from the Commonwealth
come to town, the police station jail fails their inspection. He claims they
simply tell him to try and do better.

Double standard at its best.
11:33 pm edt 

Dearest Non-existent Goose Laying Golden Eggs

The parking lot off Prince St. fills up almost everyday in the summer.(lot a,b &
c)  Moving people from one parking lot to another is not going to raise hundreds
of thousands of dollars. If you want more revenue, add more parking lots.
11:32 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

Re: "Why should we have to build affordable housing for someone from
Truro or Dennis or Hyannis?  Those towns don't build affordable housing so we
build it for them?"



Take this scenario.  Truro doesn't build nearly as many affordable housing units
as Provincetown.  A Truro family wins the lottery and moves into an affordable
housing unit.  Dad, Mom and three high school age children move from Truro to a
Provincetown affordable housing unit.  Wonderful, we always talk of wanting more
families in town.

But, what's the reality of this?  Truro residents who don't want to spend the
money to build affordable housing have let Provincetown taxpayers foot the bill
for them.  We build an affordable home for this family from Truro and then we,
yes the Provincetown taxpayers, pay approximately $45,000 to send these students
to Nauset.  Truro residents save money by not building affordable housing AND
they save $45,000 because that money is now paid by Provincetown taxpayers.
11:30 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

I personally know several people who are living in other PARTS of the country.
They are in the lottery because they will be working here. They work here in the
summer and rent a room.

They are part of the 70% of locals. Wait and see all of the strangers who are
moving into these units.

I know a guy who has lived here for over 20 years--and he still hasn't gotten a
place.


11:27 pm edt 

RE: "This is Part of the Massachusetts Pension Reform Bill"

Thanks for the 411 on this one. Will be interesting to see the results.
11:26 pm edt 

Truro Will Have Affordable Housing

Now that Malone has exhausted any more potential
in Provincetown, he has a project in the works in Truro.
If I had known how lucrative affordable housing was I
would have gone into that business instead of one where
I contribute to his coffers.
11:24 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

Get your facts right!  EVERY town on the Cape has affordable housing.
And yes, they even have some former Provincetowners living in them. And we will
have some people from other towns living in our new affordable rentals.
11:22 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

Yes, there you have a point. Hopefully there will be more of these in the near
future, i know a lot of good people who really needed it and didn't get in.
11:21 pm edt 

Take Take Take!

That the problem...we keep taking taking..now the suggestion is take
from the Community Center.Perfect.Now maybe all of u finally get it..There is no
CENTER in this COMMUNITY...Just SELF_CENTERED SHORT TERM INTERests....I dont
know what u dont all get---Provincetown is not special anymore---it is a farce
and very mainstream----Nothing special here except The Art community and what
Mother Nature has provided and the greedy short timers will find away to exploit
that for the benefit of their wallets soon enough----50 yr Townie

11:20 pm edt 

Re: "Affordable Housing-Cutting Corners"

Great great post, thank for for describing reality vs. the hyped up tea party
conspiracy fantasy so regular featured on here.
11:16 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

Re: "This affordable housing is a blessing for many people in town,
those who were picked at least."


I'm happy for you and hope it works out well for you and other town residents.

The only issue I have with affordable housing is the people from other towns who
come in and take it.  We can only give a 70% local preference if I'm not
mistaken.  Why should we have to build affordable housing for someone from Truro
or Dennis or Hyannis?  Those towns don't build affordable housing so we build it
for them?  Those towns have taken the easy or lazy way out of it, but here comes
Provincetown's taxpayers giving away millions to house their residents?  I don't
get why this makes sense for us.
12:26 pm edt 

This is part of the Massachusetts Pension Reform Bill

Defined Benefit vs. Defined Contribution Study: Requires the State Treasurer to
initiate a private study of the public retirement system. Special emphasis will
be placed on the costs and benefits of requiring new employees to participate in
a new defined contribution (DC) plan, rather than the current retirement system.
Since a private sector vendor would conduct the study, there is no commission
overseeing the report.

The state currently mandates the defined payment plan as opposed to a defined
contribution which would be similar to a 401k plan

12:24 pm edt 

Affordable Housing-Cutting Corners

My Wife and I are lucky enough to have gotten picked in the affordable housing
lottery. There is an extensive back round check that everyone must go through
even after they have been picked. They will call your current and yes, future
employers to confirm you work with them. I doubt that one would risk their
business and well being to lie for someone so that person could move into an
affordable. Ask yourself, what would that person have to gain? Don't be
ridiculous. They also look at your tax information from past years. There is
complete transparency when they review this as they will see truly if you have
or have not been in town! Also, I'm no mathematician but if you take about 5
minutes to actually do the research you will see that tenants there will be
paying more than 150 a month. This affordable housing is a blessing for many
people in town, those who were picked at least. I was lucky enough to be among
them. I know everyone thinks that everything is some big conspiracy for one
person to profit from but when you wake up and realize we don't live
in a movie you will see that these affordable units will pump life (and in time)
money to a dying year round population.
12:02 pm edt 

Re: "Can't Just Do Away With Pensions, etc."

Re: "True, but could change the system for the next person hired so at
least over the long term the problem gets solved e.g. 401k plans with employer
and employeecontibutions; Lengthen service requirements for healthcare coverage;
raise retirement age."




I agree with you, but I think the state of Massachusetts sets the service
requirements for healthcare coverage in retirement and it also sets the pension
parameters.  About a year ago I had a conversation with the finance director
about this subject.  He said he'd like to recommend a 401k type system for town
employees because he didn't think the current pension system was sustainable.  I
believe he also told me that he didn't have the option because it was set by the
state.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will), but that's what I
recall from the conversation.

I think the only option we have that isn't determined by the state is the % of
health insurance our employees pay.


11:53 am edt 

Goose That Lays the Golden Eggs Hijacked!

IN 100 DAYS TOWN LOSES $369,972.00

In one hundred day, July 18-August 26th, the town could have made $369,972.00 at
the Municipal Parking lot by the pier but it couldn't.

It couldn't because people with town stickers took these spots.

IF these people with town stickers parked at the Grace Hall Parking lot on
Prince Street--the town would have made this money.

We taxpayers are losing $500,000.00 a year if not more because people were
ferocious in their refusal to walk across Bradford street and down A-House Lane
to Commercial Street.

I'm a taxpayer and I have a car sticker too-but I won't use that lot.

Michael Rogovsky


10:42 am edt 

Taxpayers Stripped of $300,000.00

All the selectmen were asking is that people who have town stickers on their car
park at the Grace Hall Parking lot so that the Lot by pier could bring in an
additional $500,000.00 a year.

Everyone yells about the cost of building this or that or mainlining this or
that and that our taxes are going up!

We had a chance to start bringing in a million dollars every two years if this
had passed. Lets make it happen next year.


10:38 am edt 

End the Parking Lot Give Aways!

People bemoan the cost of things to the taxpayers in one breath and then scream
about bringing in a million dollars EVERY TWO YEARS when the F.C. wants to
cancel the parking lot give-aways.

Lower my taxes you yell--but lets keep the schools and pave the roads and let
people park for free. Some of you need to listen to yourselves.

Erick Yingling wants to add more employees to the town--that is his idea of
creating jobs. More Town Jobs, more town benefits, more town retirements etc.
etc. etc
10:31 am edt 

Re: "Can't Just Do Away With Pensions, etc."

True, but could change the system for the next person hired so at least over the
long term the problem gets solved e.g. 401k plans with employer and employee
contibutions; Lengthen service requirements for healthcare coverage; raise
retirement age.


10:28 am edt 

Three Years Later....

Town wasn't sued today.

Remarkable because the Town Manager wrote a report over  3 years ago, noting
that the jail was below minimum legal and safe standards. Not a single finger
was lifted to make our police station safer.

Not a single item noted in the report was fixed. The Town Manager did nothing
about a huge risk to town.

Read the report. Watch the Town Manager and Chief tour the station.

Negligence.
10:25 am edt 

Fuzzy Math on the Police/DPW

Just watched the public hearing. When Mr. Hoort was asked about impact on tax
rate he said:
If we sell the surplus buildings at appraised value and if we extend the land
bank tax, the it will be $98./ for average tax payer

Pretty big IFS. I remember when we were promised some 20 years ago that if we
supported the new fire headquarters, then the other 5 stations would be sold.
Guess what, 20 years late and we still own 4 of the 5. Only one was sold.

And the land bank was a hard fought battle. The sunset clause was key in getting
it passed.

Erik, please note above and talk to village elders or at least those who were
voting and involved 15-25 years ago.

I'm over it.


10:21 am edt 

One Law for All

New Committee

I am a shop owner and I must be inspected annually before I can renew my
business license.  There are certain requirements I must meet before my renewal
license issued.  Why is the town not inspecting their own properties? One would
think it would be the responsibility of the health inspector and building
inspector to perform these duties. We must be licensed annually so why not the
town owned buildings that have public in them.
10:16 am edt 

Monday, March 26, 2012

The One Reality

Re: "The burden of these bloated costs is a problem no one
want's to deal with"

Hooray, someone is paying attention to our real problem. In ten years we won't
have any buildings or staff because all our taxes will go to benefits. Same
problem across the country. It's coming folks and the only ones working on it
are a few people on the finance committee. Everything else is a distraction.
8:56 pm edt 

Community Center
 
What's happening with the center building?  There is not much going on there
these days...  We could probably cut the Rec Directors hours in half for the
Winters and safe some money....

The building is filthy and not even fit for anyone to be in it let alone allow
children to play with all the dirty toys there!

Who is suppose to be cleaning it?


8:54 pm edt 

Cutting Corners

Re: "It's time Provincetown starts cutting corners
and saving money."


That's the right attitude! Just the policy that gave us a town hall about to
fall down in a good windstorm, a police station that leaves us open for massive
liability, a bunch of shenanigans in accounting, a water system leaking all over
the place and with extremely high rate of illegal use/meters. All for it, let's
go back to that system, it worked so well.


8:52 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Housing-Cutting Corners

"Everyone who has ever worked here can contact a former employer and
ask if they can use their name and say that they have a job."


If the former employer does what you claim they do, they're committing fraud.
8:50 pm edt 

Parking Administrator

If the Parking Adm is going to work 20 hrs year round along with the others in
the office, then  keep the office open instead of it being closed 2- 3 days a
week.  At least he can stay in it and between him and the other girls in the
office, it should be able to stay open from 9-5...  If the hours for the 3 were
staggered,  Monday-Friday would work....
8:46 pm edt 

Re: The Ever Growing Problem


"Please reform the way town workers receive there lifelong
employment benefits.  The burden of these bloated costs is a problem no one
want's to deal with."



We are very limited as to what we can do under the laws of the state of
Massachusetts.  Can't just do away with pensions, etc.

8:44 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"No the ambassadors were the idea of the parking department. Erik saw
no reason to buy machines to replace people and then hire them back to walk
around theparking lot and smile. He opposed the ambassadors and the machines."


Sorry, you are wrong on that one.  Erik proposed the ambassador positions.  But,
to make it easy on you I went back and located his letter to the selectmen
posted on this site on February 10th.  He clearly is calling for the idea of
ambassadors, it did not come from the parking department.

"Dear Selectmen,

   I am against the proposed Capital Improvements Program (CIP) expenditure at
Grace Hall. . . at a time when you should be shepherding the creation of more
jobs to strengthen our local economy.  I have 3 better ideas of how to spend
$235,000 of tax payers money.

3) Create More Jobs. Tourism is the life blood of our beautiful little town. 
You should hire 3 "tourism ambassadors" positioned throughout town.  They would
be available to give directions to tourists, inform them about local events such
as gallery openings, and provide valuable information about the unique character
of Provincetown.

I urge you to vote against this proposal and consider an investment in the
aforementioned.

Sincerely,
Erik Yingling"



8:42 pm edt 

The Ever Growing Problem

I continue to read articles on this blog about the money needed to do
this or that- usually a renovation or new building for the town.  "It will only
cost a few dollars, I don't mind." Every year of a few dollars makes for a lot
of dollars.  Please reform the way town workers receive there lifelong
employment benefits.  The burden of these bloated costs is a problem no one
want's to deal with.
2:35 pm edt 

New Committee

I think the Town should form a new Comittee made up of
Tax Payers who from time to time make inspections
of Town owned properties. Business owners and landlords
are required yearly inspections , why shouldn't the tax payers
have more control over their costly investments.
It is apparent that no one in Town Hall is paying attention to
the conditions and maintainance of properties until its too
late and too costly to correct.

1:39 pm edt 

Affordable Housing-Cutting Corners

Where was your opposition when the town voted to give $3,000,000.00 to
developers?

Anyone from anywhere in the country who comes to Provincetown and gets a job can
apply for low income housing.

Everyone who has ever worked here can contact a former employer and ask if they
can use their name and say that they have a job.

All they have to do is say that they are starting memorial day weekend and they
slide right into a one bedroom apartment costing $150.00 a month!
1:37 pm edt 

Provincetown is the Number One Employer

This is so wrong on so many levels. The number one employer is our Town Gov't.
And Eric Yingling wants to add more people..our taxes pay the salaries, the
benefits, the unemployment etc. etc.

We need to cut personnel where we can--not add them. Think of ways to raise
revenue for the town..not drain our tax dollars.

We need to upkeep what we have an build what we need. oh, if only we could sell
vials of cape cod sand! Central falls Rhode Island is selling candy bars $5.00
each.

I wish that we had something to sell and make money for the town!
1:35 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Can you please tell me what the titles are of the town positions Erik wants to
add? he wanted to create positions called ambassadors"



No the ambassadors were the idea of the parking department. Erik saw no reason
to buy machines to replace people and then hire them back to walk around the
parking lot and smile. He opposed the ambassadors and the machines.

The parking department proposal was absurd. Even if Anderson did hand out
"halos" for an idea that produced less revenue, increased expenses and proved
the selectmen can't/wont do math. It was so ridiculous, the Town Manager pulled
the proposal before the warrant closed.

1:30 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Can you please tell me what the titles are of the town positions Erik
wants to add?  I'm asking this because, to my knowledge, I've yet to hear him
speak about adding specific positions."


he wanted to create positions called ambassadors, wanted to hire a city planner. 
Interestingly these have all disappeared from his web site.   Hmmmmmmmm


10:25 am edt 

So Little Effort to Gain So Much!

I'm lazying around my house, laying on my couch  looking at the bay, sipping my
coffee and petting my cat.

Meanwhile, we have people working in rough conditions at the PD and DPW.

If this article was on warrant, all I'd have to do was to raise my hand at town
meeting and it would improve their work place with new buildings.

It would raise my taxes by a relatively small amount. Probably what I'd pay once
a month for a couple of Stoli Martini's at any place in Provincetown.

Such a small amount and it would change people's lives. People were vicious in
their opposition.

10:24 am edt 

Cutting Corners

Want to save money in Provincetown? Fire the town manager and the
police chief and start two people at entry level salaries for the jobs. You
can't tell me that in this day in age that no one will step up to take the jobs
when there are no jobs available. The town manager costs us a ridiculous amount
of money and she's not productive. The chief of police, costs a substantial
amount himself and all he wants to do is spend money and fill his sand box with
expensive toys. Enough is enough. It's time Provincetown starts cutting corners
and saving money. Let's start with those positions.
10:22 am edt 

Reintroduction of Parking Regulation Changes

"I'm going to present an article at the fall town meeting regarding
the parking regulations so the town will indeed make the $500,000..."


The residents may or may not vote for this, but at least it will be Provincetown
residents who are deciding it.  Only Provincetown residents and registered
voters should decide Provincetown issues.
10:20 am edt 

Scary Tenant

After the most egregious behavior, scary and frightening events. I was evicting
someone--but this person decided to leave instead so that this wouldn't be on
this person's record.

What happened next is beyond the pale. The court was involved.

This person is in town and comes around my house. I ignore this person
otherwise, the the rage may erupt that flings itself upon my personal life and
my work life--and it is all lies.

I'm writing this because this person applied for the lottery is in line to get
something. Everyone who applied and didn't get in is in line now.

Plus the fraud of this person's friend using my address has been verified as
well.

Still, they will get this housing eventually and it is will be black day for
this person's neighbors, the complex and the town.

You have no idea--no idea--the spawn of the devil is within your midst.
There is no way to find out who the winners are. The out-of-towners with the
devil in their hearts may be some of the winners.
10:18 am edt 

Learn the Facts

GO TO POLICE AND DPW BUILDING WEBSITE

Read the history of this project.
Read the frequently asked questions.
if anyone doesn't know the facts--then shame on you.
here is the link:
http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=883
10:16 am edt 

Parking Regulations

Re: Talk to the Town Clerk to double check this information/


Or talk to FinCom, they brought it to BOS.  To get the $500k extra a yr I think
you'd have to limit permits at MPL for everyone.  There should be a way to do it
10:14 am edt 

Parking Income

Look if I had known about these parking changes and that they would bring in
$500,000.00 a year I would be there and so would my neighbors to vote yes!

The FREELOADERS were there in force shouting not to have any of their perks
taken away. Now we will be there next year speaking quietly that it is unfair
and needs to be rectified.

See, I'm starting now to create a buzz and I will will keep on going until next
year's parking meeting.
10:13 am edt 

Prejudice Against Police!

The police do drug busts and illicit drugs are rampant in Provincetown.

People speed. I have a hell of a time trying to make it onto Bradford street
from the side streets..if People went the normal speed, I'd be able to slip into
traffic.

I say close the schools and make the police station the school and then see the
parents yell. The mold and  mildew and dampness will just aggravate anyone with
asthma etc.

How people can read the report printed in black and white and hear about the DPW
buildings and be against it is beyond comprehension when they vote to spend
$3,000,000.00 for affordable housing for strangers who move to town, get a job
and then win the lottery!

Make developers rich and make the people who grew up here and work here work in
third world conditions.


10:12 am edt 

$500,000.00 Parking Regulations

Obviously, people like me didn't understand what was going on regarding the
parking.

IF we can't change it at town hall..then I will have to make sure that people
about it next year.

I'll contact the town clerk and talk about the situation and the finance
committee and make sure the general population knows what is at stake.

I didn't realize what was at stake and I'm a resident here..I pay taxes here and
next year this will have to pass.

Obviously, we tax payers have a way to make $500,000.00 for the town by voting
yes  for this. It is something that we must do.
10:09 am edt 

Great Idea!

"...and prohibit the sale of non resident, non property owner permits."


Please extend it to town employees who are not Provincetown
residents, and have been, as you so aptly call it, free loaders.

Besides getting paid by us, they get parking stickers as well as reserved spots
just for them at the parking lot next to Town Hall.  Those used to have meters.

Sharon took the meters away so that her staff could park in these assigned
spaces free of charge.
10:07 am edt 

Parking Administrator

Since we're generating ideas for how to raise more money for the town,
so we can pay for the 14 million police/ DPW complex, how about returning the
Position of parking administrator to seasonal; this Town manager made it year
round.

How much could we save, in salary and fringe benefits?

It's ridiculous that the parking season here is only 7 months, from April 1 to
November 1, and we pay a salary and benefits for 12 months to the administrator.
Even granting one extra month at the beginning and end of the parking season,
which seems reasonable, still leaves 3 months that can't be justified.

I can't understand why Sharon did this!
10:05 am edt 

Re: Parking Department

" I was rude, you are mistaken"


Apology A-OK. I think people should say only true things to Financial Committee.
Thank you.
10:01 am edt 

Erik Yingling

"Erik...thinks adding more people to the town payroll is creating jobs."


Can you please tell me what the titles are of the town positions Erik wants to
add?

I'm asking this because, to my knowledge, I've yet to hear him speak about
adding specific positions.
9:59 am edt 

Buyer Beware

After watching the video tour of the police station (found on the town's
website, courtesy of PTV), hosted by the town manager and police chief, I
quickly realized we have cause for concern. And I'm not talking about a lack of
personality or weak television stage presence. We should be concerned about
something far greater.

How can a police department function like this? The pole left outside of the
entrance of the garage is an object waiting to hit a cruiser. What kind of
moronic maintenance is this? Things strewn around the storage units with
disregard, the weapons arsenal looking like a child's toy chest, and the general
disarray of the police headquarters (with a yet-to-be-approved substation on
MacMillan Pier) leads me to wonder if a new building will be treated with the
respect and honor that taxpayers entrust to our town safety officials.

What surfaces is the fear we will be spending $14 million for a new playground.

Perhaps our town officials want to frighten us and employ the traditional fear
factor: the building is falling down, oh my! Instead, we have been left with
their legacy: a video montage that depicts an apparent lack of concern and
disregard for the custody of public safety. How shameful.

If the PPD expects to be handed anything on a platter, they must first
demonstrate they can handle the responsibility. The PTV video proves otherwise.

9:58 am edt 

Russell Braun- Substandard Building Commissioner

Where has Russell Braun been on all our "sub standard" town owned
buildings?   Braun has been in town hall long enough to give gallery owners
citations for not have the right signage, but hasn't done his job for the safety
of town staff?  Is this a double standard?   Or is Braun not doing his job?

9:55 am edt 

Sunday, March 25, 2012

Police Chief

Everyone needs to stop badmouthing the chief.  He's a good man. He
works hard, does his job and makes things safer for all of us. I know it's vogue
to grind on him but separate the man from the job.
11:12 pm edt 

Re: Parking Regulation Changes

"I'm going to present an article at the fall town meeting regarding the
parking regulations so the town will indeed make the $500,000.00 by taking away
free loaders benefits."


I think that's a great idea and I'd support it.  At town meeting only town
residents and registered voters could speak to it.  Non-residents would not be
able to shout it down.  Never thought of that solution, kudos to you!
11:10 pm edt 

Re: Parking Department

"No. I looked at the Ford website after I saw DPW director Sandy Turner
mentioned it on PTV to Finance Committee. She said specifically said Ford
Escape. .  . You are very rude."


Yes, I was rude and I apologize for saying you could be lying, but I think you
are mistaken.  Sandy Turner has nothing to do with the purchase of the parking
vehicle, she only purchases DPW vehicles.
11:08 pm edt 

Re: End Freeloaders Cabal

"I'm going to present an article at the fall town meeting regarding the parking
regulations so the town will indeed make the $500,000.00 by taking away free
loaders benefits.
Imagine, $6 Million Dollars. If we voted to do this in the year 2000, we would
have $6,000,000.00 million dollars in accrued income by now."


The only way you can do it at Town Meeting would be to amend the Public Safety
Budget to include only the following permits be sold

Resident
Non- Resident Property Owner
Resident Commercial

and prohibit the sale of non resident, non property owner permits.

Talk to the Town Clerk to double check this information/


11:05 pm edt 

Shout Out? What are My Major Concerns?

I grew up in Ptown, born, schooled and lived the better part of my life.  I love
this town deeply.  It is more than disappointing when I look at the dilapidated
buildings one on top of the other, trash on the beaches, ridiculous pavement,
affordable housing with new monstrosity buildings erected by developers
navigating bylaws, blah, blah, blah. 

This town had so much promise.  A perfect artistic refuge, an original fishing
community where native families could flourish with children as well as those
seeking liberation from the doldrums of mainstream society.  And a break from
the money grubbing nature of that same mainstream society.  With a spectacular
natural beauty to boot. What a sad disappointment. 

And in August when pelvis thumping on floats throwing cheap bead necklaces
and condoms are tossed to everyone in the crowd, there won't be enough to fill
the gaps in the pavement or the reality of what path this town has taken. 

Ptown isn't original, it is the perfect example of how to completely dull what should
be the shining jewel of the Cape.  The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? 

It's nothing but a hole where money gets poured into dreams of grandeur never to
be seen again.
11:03 pm edt 

Things to Come?

Big butt police station to be built..more officers to be hired to fill
the place and the taxpayers left to be ticketed in town for slidding through a
stop sign...good ole quantness of p town...
10:56 pm edt 

Changing Course

We need to chart our ship on the right course for our towns people,
heritage, and future.

If this article is indicative of where we have been headed these past few years
we need new leadership.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-downs/if-i-could-write-this-in_b_677864.html


10:54 pm edt 

Parking Department-Buying a Hummer?

Re: ". . .you and the parking department are on the same page - they
are buying a Ford Fusion."


Heard the same thing during a finance committee meeting.  Honestly, a Ford 4X4
Escape?  Why not just say they are buying a Hummer?
8:41 pm edt 

Re: Parking Department

"You are lying or mis-informed, not sure which.  But, you will be pleased to
know you and the parking department are on the same page - they are buying a
Ford Fusion."



No. I looked at the Ford website after I saw DPW director Sandy Turner mentioned
it on PTV to Finance Committee. She said specifically said Ford Escape. So I am
neither a liar nor mis informed. In fact I am fully informed from watching our
town board meetings. You are very rude.
8:37 pm edt 

Parking Vehicle

A non 4 wheel drive would be perfect for the parking department.  What would be
even better, is if they spent more time walking and less time in the car.  You
can cover more ground...  Everyone should walk at least 2-4 hours of their 8
hour shift......  There is no reason they can't !
8:35 pm edt 

Check Out the Chief

MONEY MONEY MONEY...WANNA SAVE SOME MONEY.. CHECK OUT THE CHIEF...I DO
BELIEVE HE DOESNT EVEN OWN HIS OWN VEHICLE..His job description comes with a 
POLICE VEHICLE FOR WORK AND PRIVATE..and who pays for the gas? taxpayers? and i
really do believe he drives out of state often enough..and i think you will find
with in the P.DEPT there are others who dont own private vehicles because their
job comes with a police vehicle ..amazing dont we all wish we didnt have to pay
car insurance and wouldnt it be nice to fill up at 3.79 a gallon and charge it
to the taxpayers..and i find it amazing how the chief drums up seminars for him
to attend in FLORIDA..ha are we all fools and remember now that the chief has
takin over the pier, he will will be asking for a huge raise now that he will
claim he has more responsiblities
8:33 pm edt 

It's About Full Disclosure

"At a minimum people should not only state their name, they should
state their residence."


Absolutely agree.  Town leaders are swayed by what they hear at a public
hearing, but why should a non- resident's input have the same weight as people
who live here?  Why should a non-resident even be allowed to speak?

If I'm living in Truro or Eatham i'm laughing at the fools in Provincetown.
8:29 pm edt 

End Freeloaders Cabal

I'm going to present an article at the fall town meeting regarding the parking
regulations so the town will indeed make the $500,000.00 by taking away free
loaders benefits.

Imagine, $6 Million Dollars. If we voted to do this in the year 2000, we would
have $6,000,000.00 million dollars in accrued income by now.

$6 million dollars, $6 MILLION DOLLARS
$6 **MILLION DOLLARS** imagine!
8:27 pm edt 

Police on the Pier

I cannot help but think, once this Chief starts patrolling the pier, guess what
this Chief will want next year. Yep...a pay raise and my guess is Sharon Lynn
will be just the one who gives it to him. I can see the handwriting on the wall.
Then guess who will pay for that pay raise. This Chief is far from done. Maybe
this is why New Hampshire got rid of him.
8:24 pm edt 

Re: Parking Department

"The Parking Department is planning on buying a 4 wheel drive Ford
Escape hybrid.  Why we need a 4 wheel drive for summer use only is a bit of a
surprise. I think the Ford Fusion would work just as well and save over $3,000."


You are lying or mis-informed, not sure which.  But, you will be pleased to know
you and the parking department are on the same page - they are buying a Ford
Fusion.
2:48 pm edt 

Parking Regulation Changes

"There was a  plan with the parking lot changes as a way to bring in Half a
million dollars a year--and people created a firestorm of  protest because they
are living on easy street in regards to their parking situation and they don't
want to give up a lucrative perk."




Three quarters of the speakers at the parking hearing lived in Truro.
Anderson,Bedard and Knight once again bungled the a hearing. Successful public
hearings are 0 for 3 this year- Someone take a seminar on public relations!!!!!

This might be the worst 5 selectmen since 1960. And that's a pretty low bar. But
I don't think you can continue and try to blame it all on Anderson's
chairmanship.
2:47 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Eric Yingling is NOt Selectmen Material?"


Are You Kidding?

Have you looked at this sad board lately. does anyone there have selectman
material? does anyone there have a voice, stand for issues, and take courageous
steps?

Please, the bar is so low that a smart dog could do a better job.

Eric Yingling is a good candidate and I'm glad he is stepping forward. Shake us
this sad board, please!
2:45 pm edt 

Re: Vote for Yingling and Mary-Jo

"It's time to take back our town!"


AGREE!  It's time people who know our town, run our town.  Bringing in outsiders
who don't know our history, don't how we do things has got us in this mess

2:42 pm edt 

Parking Regulations

What bugs me about the parking changes being shouted down by people on
easy street was that many of them don't live in town and the rest were not
people paying property taxes here in town.

We are complete idiots to let this happen.  We let people in Truro tell us that
we should subsidize them to park in town.  We are giving them a minimum of a 90%
discount to park in our lots and then they scream when we ask them to walk two
blocks from Grace Hall instead of MPL.

We are idiots to let this happen.  At a minimum people should not only state
their name, they should state their residence.
2:39 pm edt 

Police on Pier

If the police are on the pier this summer I wonder how they will handle a "boat
cruise" that is allowed to have a party on till 2 am?? I thought we put that to
rest and the town wants all entertainment to end at 1 am? I just saw a postcard
at Joe's coffee so inquiring minds would love to know how Sharon and Jeff will
handle this one? A boat docked at town pier with police supervision will leave
drive around till 2 am with entertainment et al but those in town have to close
at 1 am??
2:37 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

So, I'm not sure why Sharon/her supporters are so vitriolic on this
blog about Erik? Why is she quickly making an adversary from someone who would
consider himself a supporter?  Any insights?


I am a  supporter of the TM and don't have an opinion about Erik one way or
another except his outburst at the first hearing was rude and disrespectful.  My
support for our TM who has brought us so far from where we were with KB is not
impacted by any opinion I have of Erik.  The two are unrelated.
2:35 pm edt 

RE: MacMillian Wharf Full tTime Police Officer Coverage

To figure out why we are adding police to a town with a dwindling population all
you need to do is look at the            , I mean                   .  None other
than Sharon Lynn our Town Mis-Manager and former career police sergeant in W
Goshen PA.

Time for some house cleaning in Provincetown, Spring is here!!
2:33 pm edt 

The Cabal
 
We could make a million dollars in 2 years--except of the ferocious cabal.

There is a cabal here who are trying to cheat the residents of this town of
money that could go to projects. Half a million dollars a year goes down the
drain.

Why because this cabal of selfish individuals who get to park for free were a
ferocious pack that descended on the parking committee and forced them to
rescind this new proposal.

I say stand up and do what is right for all of the citizens of Provincetown.


2:27 pm edt 

Provincetoen Needs the Revenue

We must lobby to remove these perks for the freeloading people who get carte
blanch at the parking lots.

Times have changed, we must tighten our belts. We must lobby to make the
selectmen stick to their guns. The finance committee said that we would add a
million dollars to our coffers in two years if we did this.

that would be $4,000,000.00 in just 8 years! We must do this.
2:25 pm edt 

Parking Administrator

That's a bunch of hot air for sure about the parking car.  $32,000 for a car and
hook up a radio?  Since when are we a green community and have to purchase our
vehicles based on that?  I have never heard of such a thing.....Is it a bylaw? 
Or a made up story from the admin...Tell that to someone who doesn't know!
2:23 pm edt 

Wish List

I just read the documented "wish list" for the PPD and DPW.
The  purposal was based on what the employees wished for
to bring them steps closest to "Nivana".
As a previous poster said,"I wanted custom cabinetry  but
After bids ended up at  Home Depot".
Let's get the Best of the Basic and mandatory needs now.
We can always add on later when the Town is flush and the citizens
can see that "Our Properties" are maintained with respect .

2:22 pm edt 

Re: No Shows

Gee, what a surprise. "Big Bloggers Fail to Show When it Matters"

Same as ad hoc zoning, same as school issues, same as most selectmen hearings,
same as most zba or historic meetings. Too fat, drunk or lazy to bother engaging
in the democratic public process of gathering facts, going to meetings or at
least writing in. Rather sit in the dark and rail away online at the police
state lesbian conspiracy delusion they see everywhere. A small failed group with
no power or manners. Kudos however to those who actually accomplish things in
town by either sitting on the boards and commissions or being the few who do
engage in the process. Their voices matter.

2:21 pm edt 

Point of Clarification! (I'm getting ready for town meeting)

"  - The vehicle for the Parking Dept is for the parking enforcement staff."

Thanks for the response to my question about the $32,000 Parking Department car,
though I'm quite dissapointed that we're not getting a batmobile.

Many of the articles, as they appear in the Town Warrant, don't include, in my
opinion, sufficient information as to the purpose, rationale, need or
justification for making the pertaining budget request. The statement above, for
example, would have been helpful to include; it answers the "who's going to use
it", but the "for what purpose" needs also to be stated. All of this can be
crafted using very concise language; it doesn't need to be a "book".

I realize that all of this information will be provided at Town Meeting, but the
clearer things are presented ahead of time, the greater the possibility that
Town Meeting will move along efficiently.


2:19 pm edt 

Green

I could be wrong, but I don't recall an article, vote, state nor
federal mandate that we are "green " in regards to our
Vehicles for the Parking administration.
Prove me wrong and I'll apologize.

2:15 pm edt 

Parking Department

The Parking Department is planning on buying a 4 wheel drive Ford Escape hybrid.
Why we need a 4 wheel drive for summer use only is a bit of a surprise. I think
the Ford Fusion would work just as well and save over $3,000. The parking staff
seems to be the perfect place to use a hybrid but a gas engine would be about
$8,000 less expensive.

Do you think the parking dept needs a 4 wheel drive to navigate the sorry state
of Ptown pavement?
2:14 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Will Mr. Yingling and others accept responsibility if
one of these liability concerns comes true and it's not covered by insurance
because we knew it was a liability issue and did nothing?"



Sorry, on a "town" level there should never be the possibility of an "incident"
not covered by insurance.  Isn't that what we have town counsel and town
management for? To ensure safety?  And don't they get paid a pretty penny for
doing just that?  ????????????
2:12 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Freeloading

I was told that the thing to do will to post your ad for the work  you need done
from housework to construction work at the affordable housing notice board.

The folks there flock to the under table jobs. You can get the job done at a cut
rate cost. Their rent is so low, that they don't need to charge what an
insurance covering carpenter etc would charge.

I see these guys come here every summer and they have painting jobs galore! I
know where I'm going when I need work done. quite a godsend to the homeowners
and business owners.

As long as they are here--might as well get some use out of them since we are
subsidizing them.
12:49 pm edt 

The Size of Our Police Force?

"Is it true that with the addition of police to the staff Macmillan
Pier will have more police coverage than South Station in Boston .  .  ."



Is it true Provincetown's police force is smaller than the Natick police force?
12:47 pm edt 

Doing Right by Our Citizen Employees

From what I've heard people aren't giving a thought that these buildings are
being built just to be built--they solve longstanding problems that have become
monstrous in size.

We are going to need these buildings--they are long overdue.

We are going to have to build these and pay for them. There was a  plan with the
parking lot changes as a way to bring in Half a million dollars a year--and
people created a firestorm of  protest because they are living on easy street in
regards to their parking situation and they don't want to give up a lucrative
perk.

I say change it and bring in the revenue. We should create a firestorm to do
this as a way to reduce our taxes.

Millions to developers, now a perk to these people who park their cars at our
expense--time to change the rules and remove this from the status quo to pay as
you go.


12:45 pm edt 

50,000 People Here in the Summer

With 50,000 people here in the summer and with the drugs and all of the
protective custody situations we need these officers.

We have one or two on each block. A few guys do something by Town Hall and run
to the pier--they can be apprehended there.

People are ignorant of what goes on in this town with domestic assault calls
etc. etc. People think cars roar out of the police station.

When other police are called in here to deal with situations, they need table
space, desk space.

Just saying...things aren't always what you fantasize them to be.

12:43 pm edt 

Seagrass-Bullring

What's going on with seagrass by town landing at the Bullring?  I
thought you couldn't touch the seaweed and it looks like it has been bulldozed
and the seaweed cut back.
12:41 pm edt 

People Want Police at the Pier

With the sex offenders living on the derelict boats,
with the drug dealing going on in town etc. There is a demand for a police
presence on the pier.
12:39 pm edt 

Macmillan Pier Patrol

They have hired 4 police for the summer for the pier..
12:37 pm edt 

A Disconnected Unloving Community

I dont care about the Parking Administrator..what i care about is the
senior citizens jobs who will be eliminated soon...i was born and raised in
ptown and i care about the jobs that were created for our retirees..i do notice
how little compassion people have for ptown nowadays..thank goodness i have
memories of how this town was,full of whole lot of love and families and
children and our summer visitors and many people who stayed year round..this
town is ruined even the many people who bought homes do not stay here in the
winter...why would they its boring not much feeling of a community united
anymore..
12:35 pm edt 

What for and for How Much?

"A cost estimate of 14 million dollars for a combined DPW and police
department building is way too high.  If you breakdown the cost as 8 million for
the police department and 6 million for the DPW you have 2 very costly
structures."


Serious question.
How big should the two buildings be?  And how much should they cost?

I'm not slamming anyone, but unless you know the needs of the police and know
the needs of the DPW folks and know construction costs how can you say a
building is to large or costs too much?  And I'm not saying I know cause I
don't, but it kills me when people say the buildings are too big or cost too
much when they have zero knowledge on the subject.
12:32 pm edt 

Time's Up!

"It's time for Sharon Lynn to leave and time to get rid of her
"cronies" including Russ Braun and her other hired positions . . ."


I'd say it's time for you to leave.
12:29 pm edt 

Over Priced Janitor

"I am very annoyed at what the Town Manager and Police Chief are doing
to the custodian at the police station. . . ."


I'll tell you what annoys me is that we pay a janitor $50,000 a year because
somehow, someone let him be in the police union.  As a taxpayer I'm being ripped
off and apparently it's been going  on for years.  How was this ever OK?  And
how can we justify paying a janitor $50,000 a year?


12:27 pm edt 

Re: Rushmore/Yingling/Townie clan vs Maguire/Lynn/Boston Cabal

I have never heard Eric say anything negative about Sharon Lynn, in fact from
what I remember, he has been pretty positive about her. He has of course
disagreed with a few policies and  asked her tough questions on FinCom, but
nothing especially noteworthy????

So, I'm not sure why Sharon/her supporters are so vitriolic on this blog about
Erik? Why is she quickly making an adversary from someone who would consider
himself a supporter?

Any insights?


12:25 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

Erik is not selectman material now. He is too erratic. He thinks adding more
people to the town payroll is creating jobs.

He doesn't explore any situation in depth. He has no idea what is needed in the
building of a police station.

He shoots from the hip without ever taking into account the unintended
consequences of anything.

12:23 pm edt 

Drugs and Derelict Boats

With all of the drug action at the peer and the derelict boats and the fights
etc. We need an officer to keep order and keep the drugs out of town.
12:22 pm edt 

Saturday, March 24, 2012

Macmillan Pier Policing

Is it true that with the addition of police to the staff Macmillan
Pier will have more police coverage than South Station in Boston where 10's of
thousands of people transit daily...Think about the ridulousness and unnecessary
political posturing going on here...Where is our leadership---Selectmen..Wake Up
3:56 pm edt 

Where Are Your Manners?

The lack of civil discourse in our town is a sad reflection on us.  People may
agree to disagree, but the shouting,  personal attacks and name calling are an
embarrassment to all of
3:55 pm edt 

It's Not For the Parking Administrator

"Anyway, my question still remains: Why such a costly request for a car
for the Parking Administrator?  Maybe it's a batmobile!  :)"




Point of clarification (I'm getting ready for town meeting) - the vehicle for
the parking dept is for the parking enforcement staff.  Now I can understand if
you don't want the person who writes you a parking ticket to have a new vehicle,
but understand it's not a car for the parking administrator.
3:53 pm edt 

Facing Reality

"But most importantly, in the end Lynnn's stubbornness and refusal to
listen to others cost the town a solution to a pressing problem. . ."


What was that solution?

I think Sharon probably knows the town is taking a huge chance on the liability
issue and she stubbornly wants to protect the town.  Hmmm, that's what I would
want in a town manager.  Will Mr. Yingling and others accept responsibility if
one of these liability concerns comes true and it's not covered by insurance
because we knew it was a liability issue and did nothing?  My guess is we won't
hear a peep from him or others except to try to blame town officials.
3:51 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Had Sharon listened to Erik she would have saved herself much
embarrassment and ridicule....."


And there is where you are wrong.  I highly doubt Sharon is embarrassed when she
tries to do something that she thinks is best for the town.  And the only
ridicule she is subject to is from a small minority on this blog.
3:49 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities Too Costly!

A cost estimate of 14 million dollars for a combined DPW and police
department building is way too high.  If you breakdown the cost as 8 million for
the police department and 6 million for the DPW you have 2 very costly
structures.  8 million for a 16,000 square foot police department building is
$500 per square foot.  This nearly double the cost estimate for a police
department building in New York City where construction costs are higher.  $500
per square foot for a police building is way too high.  Furthermore, if the town
is estimating 14 million dollars to build, and these figures represent inflated
figures, do you really think a contractor is going to bid anything much less
than 14 million dollars?  I seriously doubt it as once the contractors see the
inflated figures that the town is prepared to pay, low and behold, their bid
prices will be very close the the already inflated estimate.

3:47 pm edt 

Town Management

It's time for Sharon Lynn to leave and time to get rid
of her "cronies" including Russ Braun and her other hired positions who do
nothing but act important and knowledgeable and do LITTLE to improve this town
and a big YES to David Gardner for Town Manager! He truly cares about this town
and has much more wisdom and knowledge than Sharon will ever have.
3:45 pm edt 

Parking Administrator-$32,000 Car

No, not a batmobile; a snow plower,  so that in the winter it can be
used for snow removal in town. That's why it costs $32,000.
3:43 pm edt 

Time to Go!

Lynn and Jarren need to go!  They are turning what once was a quiet
little town into a police state where everywhere one looks is some form of
police presence.  let's vote them out now!
3:42 pm edt 

Massive Construction-Affordable Housing for New People

As a long time resident, I now have to face the monolith at Shank Painter Rd and
you new folks here all disparage the new police station DPW buildings.

Three million of taxpayer dollars have to buy land for developers and it is all
new people who are getting this affordable housing.

Any one who comes here and gets a job can apply for the lottery. People from
Wisconsin and New York are putting their names in using the local address of
where they will be staying or the business owner's address.

All totally fair. So many new people here in town as low income residents.

3:41 pm edt 

Police Station Custodian

I am very annoyed at what the Town Manager and Police Chief are doing to the
custodian at the police station. I have been told by a very reliable source that
inorder to satisfy the Police Chief's greed to build a new police station and
put cops that we don't need down the Pier, the custodian who lives pay check to
pay check like the rest of us is being eliminated from the police chief's budget
and forced into the other union or he'll be layed off.

What makes this story even more sad is, the custodian will take a pay cut of
approx $4,000 to boot. Then to add insult to injury, that reduction in his
salary will affect his retirement. What a kick in the teeth after 25 years of
service. A local man who had given years of his time as a member of the
Provincetown Rescue Squad and Fire Dept as well gets treated like this. There's
nothing we probably can do about it other than be determined to make sure this
police chief never gets his new police station now or this coming fall. As for
you Sharon Lynn, you should be ashamed.
3:37 pm edt 

Yingling & Mary-Jo

Vote for Yingling and Mary Jo. 

It's time to take back our town!
3:34 pm edt 

This is Going to be a Blast! Clan vs Cabal

Watching Sharon and her fanboys going after Erik Yingling is setting up an epic
Ptown battle. The Rushmore/Yingling/Townie clan vs Maguire/Lynn/Boston cabal.

Grab some popcorn: This is going to be a blast! And a blow-out.
3:33 pm edt 

No Shows

You may recall on Monday a big stink was raised about the FInance
Committee meeting at 4pm when those who work would be unable to attend.  FC
chair said they would meet at 6pm so people could attend.

I asked a member of the Finance Committee how many people showed up Thursday at
6pm to discuss the police station.  He said no one showed up.  It appears Monday
was a bunch of hot air which shouldn't really surprise anyone.
3:31 pm edt 

Re: Postponement of the New Police Station

"Wow. Does that mean now the Janitor will be able to keep his job. . ."


Nope, the janitor is still going to switch over to the union he should have been
in all along.  And he's going to be moved to where the need is.  It's a win, win
situation.
3:27 pm edt 

Re: Parking Administrator

"There ya go 32,000 for a car for the parking administrator. . ."



If you want to know facts why don't you ask someone who would know?    Or is the
real purpose of your post to slam the parking administrator?  I've called the
finance director a number of times for information, he's never asked my name,
just answered my question.  Try calling the parking administrator, or the
finance director.  I heard the answer to your question, but am not sure I
remember it.  It's a hybrid car which we are required to buy as part of being a
green community and the car is specially wired for the parking computer which
transmits data directly back to the parking dept.

All you have to do is ask and sometimes all you have to do is listen.
3:26 pm edt 

Friday, March 23, 2012

Re: Erik Yingling

"If you really think Sharon Lynn would ever take the advice of Erik you need to
check yourself in..."



I think you are right, Sharon did not take Erik's advice when it was offered
weeks ago.  Had Sharon listened to Erik she would have saved herself much
embarrassment and ridicule. By taking Eriks's advice might have saved the
Anderson from herself.  Hmmmm probably not, Anderson's wounds were totally self
inflicted.

But most importantly, in the end Lynnn's stubbornness and refusal to listen to
others cost the town a solution to a pressing problem.

Sharon will go from a good to a great Town Manager when she is able to listen
and incorporate into Town operations a wide variety of opinion.
7:53 pm edt 

After Awhile, so Many Bad Ideas Means We Need Someone New

Time has sadly taken its toll. Time has taken away the energy that seemed to be
there when this once new town manager came to town. But the days and weeks and
months have taken their toll

Either put David Gardner in as temporary Town manager or let's look for a new
and fresh one.

I'll take David but if we have to look for a new town manager, so be it.
7:45 pm edt 

Yes, Exactly, Time for a Change at Town Hall

Time for a new person to make the right decisions. time for new blood. time for
new ideas. time has settled in and it is old and dull and depressing at town
hall.

time for a new person with ideas, pizzazz, and guts.

I agree with you!
7:42 pm edt 

Parking Administrator

There ya go 32,000 for a car for the parking admimistrator,no wonder
he wants to rid the seniors from working the parking booths....
7:39 pm edt 

What About Next Year's Spring Town Meeting

Let's vote on the DPW and Police at next year's spring Town Meeting.
It's a huge ticket item, and deserves our attention. No one is going to even
think about it while we're unning our businesses, or working several jobs this
season.  Let's be realistic!

7:36 pm edt 

Re: Parking Administrator

Re: "Why is the Parking Adm the Hearings Officer?

So I read the town warrant I see that the Parking Adm is looking for a vehicle
for $32,000 ?"

Re: Holy cow, but do you ever have a bug up somewhere about the parking
administrator.  We get it, you don't like him.  But, breath deep and let it go."



To set the record straight, I was one of the people who raised the issue about
the $32,000 car for the Parking Administrator, and have written about it only
once. I didn't write about  the Hearing Officer issue.  Don't know what that's
about.

I wouldn't recognize the Parking Administrator if I saw him down the street. 
I've heard often that he's not highly regarded as a professional by some in
town,  but I'm sure he's a lovely guy.

Anyway, my question still remains: Why such a costly request for a car for the
Parking Administrator?  Maybe it's a batmobile!  :)


7:33 pm edt 

Reconsideration of Police Station/DPW Article

Re: You assume everyone  is so sinister and evil.

When one is sinister and evil everyone else looks that way too.


7:30 pm edt 

$650,000.00 For Plans and Construction Information
 
Everyone thinks that this article was to spend $14,000,000 +

Let the men do the plans and then we had something concrete.

What everyone forgets is that the police station can't be built like a regular
building. It *failed* its needs assessment examination.

Don't you think that if the architects could supply us with something smaller
that they would do so?

They did all of the in depth research and this is what they came up with as the
buildings best suited for the site and to fulfill the requirements mandated by
law for the police station.

Why have more meetings if people are going to say over and over that we can't
have police cars racing down Conwell Isn't that obvious?
7:28 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

"Interesting that Sharon Lynn followed the advice of Erik . . ."



To the person who asked how long before Erik tried to take credit for it I think
you have your answer.

If you really think Sharon Lynn would ever take the advice of Erik you need to
check yourself in for a psych evaluation.
5:09 pm edt 

Postponement of the New Police Station

Wow. Does that mean now the Janitor will be able to keep his job or are they
still going to put the boots to them since this whole police station thing
started. Do what's right Sharon because that decision too was a disaster in the
makings.
5:07 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities Article

You said:

"Don't be fooled by the change on the Police Station Article. THey just know that
it is easier to stack a special town meeting later in the year."


I say:

I don't understand your attitude and thankfully I believe this attitude is that
of a very small minority.  I've worked with a number of staff members and
volunteers by being on a number of committees over the years.  You assume
everyone is so sinister and evil.  That hasn't been my experience at all.  While
people I've encountered may disagree with me on what's best for Provincetown
I've never encountered the evilness that you think exists in everyone.
5:05 pm edt 

Parking Administrator

"Why is the Parking Adm the Hearings Officer?
And
So I read the town warrant I see that the Parking Adm is looking for a vehicle
for $32,000 ?"


Holy cow, but do you ever have a bug up somewhere about the parking
administrator.  We get it, you don't like him.  But, breath deep and let it go. 
He's still going to be the parking administrator no matter how much you dislike
him.  Truth is from everyone I've talked to he's doing a great job.
5:03 pm edt 

Treat Your Pets

It would be interesting if they cleared out the garage at the cemetery and put
peoples pets in there. Open the door on a frigid winter day and then let them
freeze until the place heats up again.

You all shudder--but when it comes to our Municipal workers, who work there all
winter under these conditions, you just shrug your shoulders.
Michael Rogovsky
5:00 pm edt 

Let's Use This Pause to Develop Sound Proposals For Our Future

Glad to hear that the Police/DPW article may be postponed on the $650k
vote to get the project started. $14 million dollars is an insane anount of
money for any town to pay especiallly ours. We need a lot more public hearings
and other ideas to consider on how to fix the long neglected Police Station at a
much lower cost.  Provincetown has earned the nickname "Policetown" over the
last few years under the current administration. Can't walk or drive two blocks
in town without seeing a cruiser. This is NOT anti-police, just anti
overspending for anything not needed.

Segway's, Harley's, fancy new SUV's, and now a full time police officer on Mac
Millian?  What crime is happening at the wharf that we have not heard about? 
For that matter what crime spree has been going on in town that constitutes this
increase in staffing and resources. We all agree the police need better
conditions at the station, but what was proposed was an insult to all of us.

Overall, it is time for a change at Town Hall and we need an administrator/town
manager that knows how to manage and oversee ongoing maintennace of our roads,
buildings, and resources.

FYI

Keep the seasonal parking lot attendants and bring back the Dancing Cop.  Very
short money to preserve some of the heritage of our town and what makes it
special.

If money is to be spent, why not take a vote to hire an independent consulting
firm to do a business process re-engineering study to evalute all town
operations to streamline processes and make recommendations for improving
efficiency and reducing costs. Partnering with Truro or Wellfleet on some items
might benefit all of us. Afterall, it is our tax dollars paying for all of this.
4:58 pm edt 

Liability Issues

Re: "I am still kind of annoyed the selectmen voted to recommend the
article BEFORE the public hearing. I wonder if they will reverse their vote?"




I understand that, but I think they are really concerned about the employees and
the liability issues out there.  I'm guessing they will reverse their vote and
follow the TM recommendation (have no inside information, just a guess), but I
don't know how they address the liability issues.  I don't think there are
liability issues with the highway garage so that's not a huge rush, but the
police station is another issue.

Everyone keep their fingers crossed that there isn't a 'problem' at the police
station between now and whenever it is we can get them out of there.  Personally
I would feel terrible if someone got sick or hurt in that building while we are
working our way towards a new building for them.


4:50 pm edt 

Such Basic Needs

People couldn't comprehend that a police station has other demands than other
buildings.

People couldn't understand that we needed a pitched roof at the DPW due to snow
and that it wasn't a cathedral ceiling. People didn't realize that the bulding
had to be large enough to house all of the towns equipment.

Rather than ask seriously thought out questions and doing a little research
people were yelling questions at the architects during their presentation and
jumping to conclusions.

People kept bringing up police cars racing down Conwell street as though they
are bees leaving the hive when in reality there are police cars patrolling
through town.

All that the architects were trying to do was to cover the basics needs of these
departments. These buildings were no taj Mahals.

This is what basic buildings cost these days. Do you think that I woke up one
day and said,"Hey kids, lets build a new police station for millions of
dollars"?

Do you think that I was in favor of this when I first heard about it? I
contacted the chief years ago when I heard about the motorcycles! That is when
he invited me to see the building. That is when I saw how terribly flawed it is.

As a member of the community and a tax payer I didn't want to see my taxes rise
*NEEDLESSLY*. (I still don't understand why we paid $3,000,000. for land to give
to developers when they have been buying the land for ten years now.)

Look at that project--do you think that they couldn't come up with a million
dollars? There are tax credits they can sell and thousands of grants out there
for developers of affordable housing.

Especially since anyone who comes to town from anywhere: New York, Wisconsin,
LA--and gets a job in town is eligible to be in the lottery.

This is what I was told when I called these folks in charge of Province Landing
Apartments
(90 Shank Painter Rd, Provincetown, MA 02657
At the very tip of Cape Cod
or Information or to request an application, please call 508-487-9087, TTY 711
or email to planding@tcbinc.org)

All these architects were trying to do was to cover the basic needs of these
departments. Just the basic needs.
I hope that by the fall town meeting everyone comes to realize that this is all
that these buildings are going to do.
I'm a taxpayer too and I'm willing to make the sacrifice for these buildings.
Michael Rogovsky
4:43 pm edt 

Sharon - Jaran Duo

And you all dont be deceived--Sharon is changing the rules as she
goes--She is changing the vote  because she knows damn right well she wont get
the support she needs untill all the people that dont live here between december
and April are back after the summer to get the votes they need to make push this
ridiculous spending spree forward...Sharon Jaran are making this town
barren.....
4:38 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools?

Thank you Dennis Scales for your research and for signing your name to your
post. This clearly shows that the Chief has been trying to build his case for a
new station with false numbers. How can he claim that there is no edict to stop
cars, i.e. build numbers, when the Town Report contradicts him? We know that one
officer has already been suspended for not stopping enough cars. This man is
creating his own empire at our expense and it's not appropriate in our little
town. If he wants to be Chief of a big department then he should go somewhere
else. Oh, wait a minute, maybe there's a reason he can't go somewhere else....
4:35 pm edt 

Provincetown Police Lack Leadership

What's with the new police state of Provinetown.  Harassing Year round
residents by targeting individuals for traffic stops to fulfill the chiefs
mandate for 4 traffic stops per shift this time of year is offensive and
intimidating. The 4 to midnite shift has an overzealous patrolman Alves who
seems to enjoy pulling over the same people now that he recognizes their
vehicles and they are young.  Stereotyping and profiling coupled with the chiefs
permission to pull over people at will is a great way to get rid of the rest of
the yearounders and the few productive young people who happen to remain here in
the winter to attend college on the Cape, work in Provincetown, as well as
mentor younger children and participate in classes given in town. Why would the
police force want to create this adversarial climate in town when they are
asking the public for money to build a new station. This chief is not a
Provinctwn Chief..This chief is here to pad his resume and checkboo!
k and then move somewhere else closer to retirement...I dont give this chief
3-5 more years here.  The department is now in total disarray with morale at an
all time low. One officer who happens to be on the force longer than anyone
else--with a sparkling record has been reprimanded 5 times and had 2 days
suspension in the last months since he has failed to make his 4 stops ech
shift..This may be due to the fact that during the winter there may be very few
cars on the road between 4-12 and u have another vigilante on the same shift
stopping cars at random...Why dont u set a checkpoint up at the town line and
stop each car as they cross the line..u are almost accomplishing that with the
motorcycle detective stopping cars on route 6 going 53-55 in order to keep her
nose buryied in the chiefs    ...The chief has had a gigantic role in finishing
off this town and will leave a mess behind him no matter how creative he can be
with rhetoric and figures...He has been a huge factor !
in exorcising the rest ogf the pride and soul from this town..!
.So may
people who have family buried here are sickened by all this...Why dont u dig all
the bodies out of the cemetary and construct whatever u want there and then u
will have no more natives left ...
4:32 pm edt 

Police Station Vote

Interesting that Sharon Lynn followed the advice of Erik Yingling. Yet, David
Bedard voted to recommend the $14 Million station and has not publicly changed
his position?

Any chance the other Selectmen will agree with Bedard and push the station at
the Town Meeting? I think Austin Knight and Elaine Anderson are also big
proponents of building the $14 Million police station asap.
4:27 pm edt 

Re: Lipstick on a Pig

Re:"Don't be fooled by the change on the Police Station Article. THey
just know that it is easier to stack a special town meeting later in the year."



And don't be fooled that just because someone can type that their statements are
intelligent.
4:25 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

How long before Erik claims credit for postponing the police station?
4:22 pm edt 

Mob Rule?

Provincetown public hearings resemble town meeting without the
civility.  Some of that may be because anyone can show up at these hearings, you
don't have to be a Provincetown voter, you don't even have to live here.

A very small group of people (maybe 50) showed up on Monday night, even smaller
than a town meeting turnout.  And with no moderator to keep the discourse civil
you have people shouting from the audience.  One man (note I did not say
gentleman) shouted from the floor that 'we'd already seen the presentation we
don't want to see it again'.  When the BOS chair calmly explained there may be
some who hadn't seen it before, he screamed out 'take a vote'.  She did take a
vote and a significant number of people had not seen it before.  The man was not
heard from again.

I bring it up because I was there and had not heard the presentation, but
someone felt if they screamed loud enough they could take away my right to see
it.  I heard someone describe the crowd at a hearing a couple of weeks ago as a
mob, Monday night wasn't that different.  And yet we let very small mobs
influence how our government is run.
4:20 pm edt 

Finally a Rational Decision

Postponing the police/dpw article till
fall is the right path to take. From the
onset it really bothered me how the
TM and BOS were rushing the
Presentation etc so close to Town
Meeting. This is a costly project and
should never have been concidered
part of next month's Town Meeting.
Now we have time to research, evaluate
and make rational decisions for the
Town as a whole.
4:16 pm edt 

Re: Lipstick on a Pig

"Don't be fooled by the change on the Police Station Article. THey just
know that it is easier to stack a special town meeting later in the year."


Don't really know, or care, if there's an ulterior motive for postponing the
vote by Town Meeting.

I'll assume that Ms. Lynn's and FinnComm's recommendation is being made in the
town's best interest. I give FinnComm and Ms. Lynn credit for doing so. I do
suggest, however, that we all be reasonable,  and consider the cycles of this
town. For voters  to focus on this during the summer and vote on it in the fall
will be more than difficult, I'd even dare to say, impossible.

Let's vote to put this on the Town Warrant for next year's Town Meeting
in April. Reason should prevail here.

Can I get a sense from others who post here how you feel about this?

4:00 pm edt 

Are They Crazy?

$32,000 for a car???  Crazy!!!  I mean them, not the voters!
3:57 pm edt 

Car Budgeted at $32,000-Give Me a Break

Wow! I just noticed that --- $32,000 for a car for the Parking
Administrator???

Thanks for alerting me! That's a no vote from me. I thought they were trying to
make us more money; not spending our money on NEW ITEMS.
3:55 pm edt 

Parking Permits

About "Parking permits are ordered same time as always,  they are
delayed..."

So... please do tell, why are the parking permits "delayed" this year?
3:53 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities Review

There's no way that residents will have the necessary time to
dedicate, between now and the fall, the time to study the DPW and police
building issues, as these "evolve".

Let's give ourselves a year, to next spring. These kinds of items are large in
scope and budget; they deserve our fullest attention.
3:51 pm edt 

What Were You Thinking?

Someone buys a condo right next to the fence of the DPW and then asks what the
lay down area is?

We are doing a MAJOR SEWER INSTALLATION and the pipes etc that are being used
are kept or "Lay down" in the DPW lot.

Anyone who builds next to a DPW which is an industrial work area and then
complains will get no sympathy for complaining.

THE CONDOS WERE BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE FENCE!
3:48 pm edt 

Postponement of Police Station

How cynical indeed. The Town Manager has realized that this article would not
pass and now asks for a delay until the fall.  This Town Manager needs to
understand that she works for the taxpayers and not for the town employees.  The
taxpayers demand that this issue go away.  Fix the conditions at the present
police station and build a restroom at the DPW, that is all we want, and don't
take us for fools.
3:46 pm edt 

Thursday, March 22, 2012

Lipstick on a Pig

Don't be fooled by the change on the Police Station Article. THey just know that
it is easier to stack a special town meeting later in the year.
11:24 pm edt 

Re: This Just In. . .

"Town manager Lynn has recommended the town postpone the police station ....so
the residents can have more time to continue the review process....The process
will continue through the summer into the fall."


This is very good news, and avoids a confrontation that would have created
uncertainty for years to come.

I am still kind of annoyed the selectmen voted to recommend the article BEFORE
the public hearing. I wonder if they will reverse their vote?
11:23 pm edt 

Lack of Organization

And the best part is. There are more people now inside the parking office then
there had ever been in the past and they still can't get them out in time...



11:21 pm edt 

Parking Administrator

Why is the Parking Adm the hearings officer?  How can he fairly make a
decision...  That should be handled by an impartial person who has no
involvement with the parking department !
11:20 pm edt 

Town Parking

So as I read the town warrant I see that the Parking Adm is looking for a
vehicle for $32,000 ?  Why does the parking department need a luxury vehicle for
around town?  That is ridiculous...  Let's hear the explanation for that...
11:18 pm edt 

Excellent Choice by Sharon Lynn!!

How can you complain?  She listened to the people, realized that Town Meeting
was going to be a challenge and she recommended postponing the vote.

Brava.

I still think we need a new police station, but whether it is the new location,
an alternative location and the cost of the station has yet to be sold to the
town.

And I'm not sure what is going on with the DPW facility, but $14,000,000 for
both is difficult to swallow in these times and with our unfunded pension
benefits.

Take the $650,000 and pave the roads.
11:17 pm edt 

Serious Miscalculation

Whenever a hot issue is debated on this blog, someone says that the
opposition expressed here is irrelevant and doesn't reflect accurately how the
vote will go at Town Meeting.

I think those who believe this are making a serious miscalculation on the
$650,00 funding for architects to draw plans for new police and public works
buildings.

I predict that it'll be defeated by Town Meeting.

With bussinesses about to open for the season, after experiencing a three-year
recession, I don't believe that voters would be thrilled to hear about a 14 mill
proposal to build new town facilities, as merited as they seem to be.
11:14 pm edt 

Re: Lack of Organization - Begins at the Top!

". . .What's comical is that for the first time, we have a full/time
administrator. Before the current administration, the parking administrator was
a seasonal position.  But parking permits were never late....until now.

Way to go, Sharon!"

You are an      .  Parking permits are ordered same time as always,  they are
delayed and you think it's a chance to attack the parking administrator and town
manager.

You must lead a sad little life.
8:52 pm edt 

This Just In. . .

Town manager Lynn has recommended the town postpone the police station article
at town meeting so the residents can have more time to continue the review
process.  She made the recommendation to FinCom who voted to agree with her
recommendation.  The BOS next meeting isn't until monday when she will bring her
rcommendation to them.  The process will continue through the summer into the
fall.
8:35 pm edt 

Brother Can You Spare a Dime or Maybe $650,000?

Any way the town could get a $650,000 donation to draw the plans for
the complex?

How about McChesney?  Or McGuire?
8:31 pm edt 

How Lucky That We Have Town Meeting

I'm voting a resounding No on The $650,000.

Don't want to hear them say: "You already spent over three quarter of a million
dollars on this Police and DPW project. If we don't go ahead with it, then we
will gave thrown all that money away.

Yes, definitely a no vote is warranted.
8:28 pm edt 

Breakout and Separate All Costs For the Two Projects- All Costs!

How much is being proposed for the new PD facility?

How much is being proposed for the new DPW facility?
6:42 pm edt 

Hard Reality

So the administration wants the town to vote yes on $650,000 to be
spent on drawing the plans for a $14 million dollar complex?

Vote NO. We already spent $120,000 on a consultant. Enough already!!!
6:39 pm edt 

Our Street Scape Belies Our Wealth

In this day and age of wild technology aren't there computer
commercial architectural programs that, after plugging in the specifics, can
spit out functioning, specific plans for a police station?  Any police station? 
650K  Really?  Seriously?

By the condition of the roads, I didn't know Ptown was so rich.
6:36 pm edt 

Lack of Organization - Begins at the Top!

For the first time ever (as far as I can recall), the parking permits
can't be obtained in time for the beginning of the parking season, April 1.

What's comical is that for the first time, we have a full/time administrator.
Before the current administration, the parking administrator was a seasonal
position.  But parking permits were never late....until now.

Way to go, Sharon!


6:33 pm edt 

Where Are the Funds For Increasing the Size of the Police Force?

Regarding "We do not need a larger police force, what we have is
already too large."


AT LEAST ONE NEW POLICE POSITION is being added, to be posted at the Pier.  AND
WE"LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!

Does anyone know where this position is listed in the Town Warrant?
6:23 pm edt 

Someone With Competence and Compassion

If competence and heart are a factor in picking our town leaders I
vote for David Gardner as Town Manager, and a mostly new Board of Selectmen with
a sense of history and a vision for the future!
6:19 pm edt 

To: Webmaster

Posting derogatory remarks about an elected official
private retail buisness invalidates your position posted.

4:05 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

After hearing the Police Chief explain that Provincetown has the third
most calls to service, I decided to take a look at the town reports going back
to 2007 (the year prior to Chief Jeran being hired). The facts are telling and
show a creative twist on the Chief's claim.


*This is only a partial list of calls to service. All data can be found in the
town reports...search "calls for service" in the reports

http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/index.aspx?NID=242

2007
Arrests/Persons Processed- 347
Rescue/911 Calls - 1089
Ambulance - 697
Property checks - 2052
Motor Vehicles Observed - 186
Motor vehicles Stopped - 1086
Citations (all types) - 337

Total call for service - 13289


2010
Arrests/Persons Processed- 319
911 Calls - 1554
Rescue - 1154
Ambulance - 821
Property checks - ***8837***
Motor Vehicles Observed - ***2763***
Motor vehicles Stopped - ***2094***
Citations (all types) - 482
Park/Walk/Talk - 1209
New as of 2008

Total call for service - 28905

It seems crime has gone down and property checks and hunting speeders have gone
way up. How is walking down Commercial St a call to service?

I know something has to be done with the station and the DPW buildings...but
please don't play number game with me. I am not quite that stupid.

Dennis Scales




3:59 pm edt 

Sharon Lynn

I think her last town was sorry to see her leave, and generally we have been
lucky to have her here. However, she has turned the Police/DPW into a vote of
confidence, which I think she will lose. After the Police station fails, from
then on, she will have diminishing influence until she is so hobbled she will
have little choice but to move on.

So those of you want her gone, I think your happy day is on the horizon. I hope,
but doubt, we will find a better manager for our little dysfunctional village.
3:42 pm edt 

Grab the Cash Box Before Leaving!

Where is the power base in town?  My bet it is the money-makers who
are basically separate from the civic leaders.

I get the feeling "I'm making money and then I will go away and take it with me. 
Don't bother me with civics."  What do you think?


3:40 pm edt 

Projected Tax Increases

Well so they say 8.30$ but what about the sewer system and the the 1.5
million for the vm school..our taxes are going to INCREASE way more than 8.30 by
the end of the town meeting..vote NO NO NO..and tell the chief and town manager
to downsize that new police station they want. 

just remember they can sell their condos and get out of town  and leave those of us
who truly love this place and will never leave...
3:38 pm edt 

Tax Increases

Turns out it's not $ 97 per year, but the real cost is

On a median size condo +$134.99 a year
On a median size single family home +$255.65 a year

Oops! It looks like your bloody mary budget is bust. AA meetings are at 7am and
noon at the Methodist Church (next to the famous police station)
3:32 pm edt 

$21.25 a Month

It seems that my taxes would be going up an extra $21.25 a month.

I can live with paying $21.25 a month for two new buildings. I will gladly live
with that. Imagine how much we saved over the many decades not putting any money
into these old buildings?

My taxes will go up and I'm willing to pay.
3:30 pm edt 

To: Webmaster

Dear webmaster.

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3:07 pm edt 

Why We Are in the Track We Are On - Sharon Lynn's Limited Capacity

From reading the article on West Goshem and Sharon Lynn,it is clear that the
town manager's expertise only relates to expanding the police force and
expanding and building new facilities. 

This is very limited knowledge which does not take into account the  specific
needs of our community or the short and long term financial impact on our citizens. 

These decisions also totally disregard the fabric of this community and its
history, especially with the increase in the police force.  Further, all of these decisions go
contrary to all state and national trends in small and large communities. 

What we need is someone witha financial understanding of the consequences of
these decisions with regards to unfunded liability and debt in general. Because of
the nature of this community, we need to be very conserative as it relates to
increases in our tax revenue. 

Relying on second home owner tax revenue is not very prudent, as any major
increse in taxes will devastate the second home market and it will affect us
all, especially local businesses.

With all of this said, we do need adequate police facilities, and we should make
sure that the present police station is repaired.  We do not need a larger
police force, what we have is already too large.  We need to build proper
restroom facilities at the DPW, and not a huge new building.  We need a town
manager that will take us in the right direction.
2:52 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

"The last time that we three went out to lunch and had 3 Bloody Marys,
3 cups ofchowder, 3 hamburgers, two cups of coffee and 2 pieces of cake..the bill was
over $100.00.

I think that we can afford to pay $8.30 a month towards our taxes for these two
new buildings."


Nice for the above poster...I'm a townie and my monthly food budget is $100. in
the winter.  No, I can't afford another $8.30 in taxes
2:43 pm edt 

Finance Committee Meeting Schedule

Finance Committee doesn't have a public hearing posted today, only a regular
meeting at 4 pm.
11:03 am edt 

Process Started in 2009

"Town Manager Sharon Lynn began the meeting with an overview of the project to
date, from a 2009 report on police station deficiencies to other sites
considered but deemed unsuitable to the April 2011 Annual Town Meeting vote to
begin the design phase at the DPW site."


If the process really started in 2009, why was the police station allowed to
remain is such poor repair? Most the plumbing and electrical deficiencies could
have been corrected (and still can be) through routine maintenance and simple
inexpensive upgrades.
11:00 am edt 

Vote NO!

Vote NO on the $650,000 for the architect drawing plans for the
Police/ DPW Complex.

We already spent $120,000 on this project. This totals $780,000 that we would
spend on something we don't want to build!

10:58 am edt 

Discussion of Private Citizens

Discussion of private citizens isn't allowed? Really webmaster? Then
how come you let personal attacks against to former BOS to be posted? Come on be
consistent!

Webmaster Comment: If comments are made in the context of a former board member's
performance in their previous public function, then posting are deemed valid.
10:56 am edt 

BOS Public Forum Meeting

I just watched Monday's public hearing on the Police Station/DPW
facility.  In a later part of the meeting, a member of the finance committee
stated that the committee had not yet met to discuss the proposal because they
had just seen it. Later a selectman also said that the selectmen had not seen
this proposal until the public did.

Is this possible? Who makes the decision to put something this enormous before
the town government and residents without a thorough discussion with the senior
town boards?

Could it be . . . .  Evita?
10:08 am edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Prediction: as with many other issues that cause so much sturm and
drang on here the police/dpw facility design budget will pass at town meeting.
10:02 am edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

"They did not lie, the next step of the process to develop the complete set of
plans and send the project out to bid.  Again, they did not lie, but I can
completely see the concern on behalf of voters. "



A friend called the comments from the Selectman McChesney and the Town Manager
disindigenous and misleading. For me it's a distinction without a difference.
But okay they didn't lie. They are still way out of line for an elected official
and town executive.

And mostly importantly, the warrant will producing construction plans for a
massive expensive complex.
9:39 am edt 

Michael Rogovsky

We love Micheal Rogovsky, but it looks like he's back to writing
multiple comments about the same thing over and over each day on this blog. Mr
web master please ask him to not repeat himself everyday with the same issue.
Even if you don't sign your name, most people can be identified by the way you
write.
9:36 am edt 

Apartment Hunting

Landlords are going to be asking to see your facebook page too. The sweet little
two shoes that rented from my neighbor turned out to be an irresponsible drunk
who woke up the house and the other housemates at 3 am and had wigs and dresses
and shoes thrown all of the house.

Everyone interviews beautifully and then the truth comes to the surface a month
or so later.

Don't be fooled.
9:30 am edt 

Re: Copshop

"Perhaps you should get your facts straight before you blurb out in
accuracies....."


That's all I have to say about this matter...  You figure out the rest...
9:26 am edt 

Crashed Engine and Taxes

Was I mistaken that our taxes were supposed to go down after 3 years
of paying for the crashed fire engine? I thought that was part of the 2 1/2
override
9:22 am edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

"The $97 a year(don't know how many years) is for the $650,000 plan.
Extrapolating, The $14,500,000 building would cost 20 times that amount like
$2,000 a year for an unknown number of years again."



You are wrong.  The $97 a year in possible additional taxes has nothing to do
with the $650,000 article.
9:16 am edt 

Anyone Eligible For Housing Lottery

ANYONE who comes to town and has JOB in town is eligible for the lottery!
I've talked to two people for out of state who has worked here in the summer.
They are coming for the summer again and looking for a room to rent BUT they
want to be here year round.

All perfectly legal to make them eligible
9:10 am edt 

Let the People Vote

The maximum amount we are voting for in this article is $650,000.00

The actual result could be less--it won't be more.

Let the people vote on this at town meeting. IF we hadn't spent $3 Million
dollars buying land or property and giving it to developers--it could have gone
into reducing the debt of these two new facilities.
9:06 am edt 

Re: Copshop

"Someone please tell me how a 15 million dollar copshop . . ."


Please keep to the facts.  The exagerations do a dis-service to everyone. 
Project is not $15 million, it's $14 million in it's current incarnation.  And
the the police station is not the only building proposed under the current plan
so saying it's a 15 million dollar copshop is a gross exageration.
9:03 am edt 

Won't Miss Town Meeting

When is the Finance committee meeting?
I was talking with someone at the bank today. They said that they heard that it
was quite a rukus of a meeting Monday night.

At least now the whole town has heard about this proposal. It will be quite a
shock when they look for the $14 million dollar article on the warrant and see
that it is the second stage of the study.

Obviously many of the people who were at the Monday meeting hadn't been to town
meeting. It passed unanimously at the last town meeting to take the project to
this level.

There is no need to postpone this until the fall. The finance committee is
having another meeting on this subject. Go to that meeting.
8:57 am edt 

Process Started in 2009

Town Manager Sharon Lynn began the meeting with an overview of the project to
date, from a 2009 report on police station deficiencies to other sites
considered but deemed unsuitable to the April 2011 Annual Town Meeting vote to
begin the design phase at the DPW site.

Michael McKeon and David Morais from Kaestle Boos Associates, the architectural
firm hired in January to produce a preliminary design gave the presentation.

The proposed design, still preliminary, calls for a 17,000-square-foot station
that would be built on the slope that leads up to Race Point Road. The main
level, on Race Point Road, would be for public access. The parking department
and dispatch area would be near the door.

8:52 am edt 

The True Cost of $14,000,000

I called the Finance Director yesterday afternoon regarding the police
station tax impact.  This was his e-mail which I received this morning.

I received your voice mail message regarding the tax impact on an average
homeowner if we borrowed the $14,000,000 and had nothing to offset the debt
service.

I used the $14,076,000 which was quoted on Monday evening.  I have a spreadsheet
in which I can insert a dollar amount and it will automatically provide me with
the tax impact, but first I needed to calculate the debt service costs.  I
assumed we would borrow those funds for 30 years at 3.5%.  Based on those
assumptions the first year principal payment would be $469,200 with $492,660 in
interest for a total payment of $961,860.  The first year tax impact of this
$961,860 is as follows:

On a median size condo +$134.99 a year
On a median size single family home +$255.65 a year

When I spoke on Monday evening as to the tax impact I hope you recall I was very
clear that there were assumptions being made regarding the sale of the three
buildings and the expiration of the LandBank in 2020.  The appraised value of
the three buildings came to approximately $3,000,000.  I used the appraised
value in my assumptions.  The LandBank tax expires in 2020.  The town residents
may decide to let the 3% surcharge go away or they may decide that they will
keep the surcharge and dedicate those funds to capital improvements.  It was a
suggestion on my part to keep the 3% surcharge when I made the assumption,
ultimately its up to the towns residents.

In your voice mail message you asked about the tax rate without my assumptions
and mentioned what if we gave the buildings away for nothing.  As a resident I
certainly appreciate our towns altruistic attitude and the desire to help
others.  As Finance Director I would recommend against giving any buildings
away, I dont believe we can afford to give it away.  But, its not my decision to
make, I can only give my opinion.

I hope Ive answered your questions, if I missed anything please dont hesitate to
call or respond to this e-mail.

Sincerely,
Dan

Dan Hoort
Director of Municipal Finance
Town of Provincetown
260 Commercial Street
Provincetown, MA 02657
(508) 487-7000  ext 523



8:49 am edt 

Board of Selectmen

The Board of Selectmen voted to 5-0 for the police station before the last
public hearing. So all us fools who showed up at Town Hall at either forum. Your
selectment just played ya.


Vote Yingling this year, Next year Knight & Santos are up. We won't forget.
8:43 am edt 

Shout Out! Have Been Around Earlier

How I wish that shout out was around when K. Bergman was Town Manger. When the
town could have bought all of the land adjacent to the DPW for $130,000.00..he
said no way! Now we have condos abutting the DPW.

There was no transparency. We have hard working people in this town and a few
people are savaging them on here relentlessly.

We do have freedom of speech--but having reasoned arguments expressed here would
go a long way in getting serious attention to things. I thought that it was a
horrible display of rudeness from the audience.

8:41 am edt 

Extravagance at the Police Station/DPW

Between now and town meeting a daily post with actual examples of what $14
Million buys...

6 locker rooms

The Police Station has 4 locker rooms. Full year male & female, Seasonal male &
female. The DPW has 2 locker rooms male & female.
8:36 am edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Provincetoswn time to wake up and find your voices.  The Police/DPW
project is so massive for a town with a small less than 2300 year round
citizens.  Why did the town management not perform preventative maintenance all
these years at the current site and allow it to get into such poor condition? 
Just look at Commercial Street and you can see why.  What does our DPW actually
do?  Would paving be part of their job? The town manager?  What is she managing
except pipe dreams for spending our hard earned tax dollars.  We need someone
with a new vision in Town Hall.  We have a police and public works agenda due to
the the town managers specialties.  See link and this should explain why we are
on the track we are on in Provincetown.
Make your voices heard at Town Meeting on April 2nd and just say NO to any
further money for this un-needed project.

http://www.wgoshen.org/WGTSpring07.pdf
12:22 am edt 

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

The $97 a year(don't know how many years) is for the $650,000 plan.
Extrapolating, The $14,500,000 building would cost 20 times that amount like
$2,000 a year for an unknown number of years again.
 
        bizarre          has been well known in town for some time. Our    
has            by not getting     the          needs.

Webmaster Comment: Some issues fall into the privacy domain, and this
is one of
of them.

Discussion of legal issues that have been publicized is a valid consideration.
However, extending comments into the private life of a private citizen is not
part of the venue of Shout Out!
1:42 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

"The new spin that the vote for $650,000 is not a vote for the whole
project is a plain lie. They lied last night. Sad but true. The $650,000 is to
produce bid documents"



They did not lie, the next step of the process to develop the complete set of
plans and send the project out to bid.  Again, they did not lie, but I can
completely see the concern on behalf of voters.  If we say yes how do we have
any say in the process?  Or does an oversized building come up for vote in
November?  How do we make sure they continue to listen and get our input?
1:29 pm edt 

Not Secretive

The Webmaster was once a member of the group looking at sites. This wasn't
secretive. Just because you didn't know about it doesn't make it secretive.

Perhaps the Banner should have had a story starting in 2009 about the search for
the sites. There was an whole report at the selectmen's meeting years ago about
the needs assessment plan regarding the police station. Years ago.

IF you started to go to selectmen's meetings you would hear about everything
that is going on..that is where the business is conducted. That is where I
learned about everything.
1:21 pm edt 

Be Careful!

ALERT Please be aware that local residences are being listed as rental
properties on Craig's List by persons that have no ownership of the properties.
One fraudulent listing had even used an e-mail address containing the name of a
local citizen. Photos appear to be taken from MLS listings. The criminal in the
case that I have followed more closely claims to be traveling in South Africa
doing AIDS relief work.  Even after the listing was taken down the lister
continued to communicate with someone posing as a possible renter. A request for
a photo of the renter could be a sign that identity theft is a part of the
process. There was a listing for an apartment yesterday. It appeared suspicious
but without being familiar with the property it is unclear to me. BE CAREFUL
12:28 pm edt 

Re; Assault in Town

I could be wrong but I don't think the police can take someone into
custody for erratic behavior until that behavior breaks the law. Don't forget,
either, that we all appreciate when the law looks the other way when we have
acted irresponsibly. It is a fine line to walk. Yes it is too bad that Denny has
issues but it is inaccurate to expect the Provincetown Police or it's citizens
to manage these issues for him.  Perhaps this arrest is the beginning of the
help that he needs. Let not your concerns become the voice of anger, blame and
hatred.
12:21 pm edt 

Tuesday, March 20, 2012

15 Million Dollar Copshop

Denny has been a serious problem for months now.  So where have our
so,so important police been? He should have been taken into protective custody
months ago. Sent up cape to a mental health place to evaluate him. Could be a
simple drug adjustment might of helped.
Someone please tell me how a 15 million dollar copshop could have made this
situation better.
11:26 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

"Do you really believe this..and if so, Please tell us why. I'm a citizen and I
truly want to know."


Yes, I really believe they really take us for fools

1) they postponed the project until the eve of town meeting. They have been very
secretive about the project and its costs. Instead of showing the plan we were
all off work, they waited until we were back on our jobs to reveal the plan

2) The new spin that the vote for $650,000 is not a vote for the whole project
is a plain lie. They lied last night. Sad but true. The $650,000 is to produce
bid documents

3) They have relied on drama (moral imperative, rape, lawsuits, dramatic BS)
rather than explaining why the buildings are a good fit for Ptown.
11:21 pm edt 

What About "Plan B"?

"So if only the people against it showed up it's a small fraction of the
population."



This is the great (or awful) thing about spending large amounts of money in
Provincetown.  Votes will require a 2/3rds majority to pass. You will need to
produce 2 yes votes for every no vote.

And if the two Seletmen meetings are any indication of voter intensity, you've
got your work cut out for you.

Hopefully someone has a Plan B in the works


11:20 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

"WE will be the prisoners. WE will be the ones who are arrested,
detained,
accused, punished.  .  ."



OK, that takes paranoia to an entire new level.  If you are out driving while
drunk I hope they arrest you.  If you steal something I hope they arrest you. 
If you assault someone I hope they arrest you.  If you kill someone I hope they
arrest you.  I realize if you were arrested in any of these situations you would
think all of these are forms of police harassment, the rest of the civilized
world doesn't agree with you.
11:14 pm edt 

Re: The Chair Apologized For the Rude Behavior

"This meeting was about spending up to a maximum of $650,000 for detailed
building plans and construction plans."



Don't be so foolish and narrow minded. The money is not to explore ideas and
concepts. It was to design the plans that WILL go at the site of Race Road and
nowhere else. Vote for the $650K and the building will be a reality, like it or
not. Once you commit $650K, you're in for the long haul. You don't just throw
the plans away because you don't like them.

DON'T VOTE FOR THIS. A smaller approved amount will make the designers think
smaller. Reduction of monies at town meeting is allowed. Increases are not.
Amend the article to make the amount smaller thus forcing a smaller building.
11:12 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

I do believe that the town does need a new police station. However,
the repaving of Commercail Street should be completed before any money is spent
on this project. The entire street could be repaved with the money spent on this
station.
Last nights meeting at town hall was interesting. The best way to get the
results wanted is by voting at town meeting(not shouting at each other).
11:09 pm edt 

Affordable Housing

I contacted the affordable housing people and I was told that 70% are being
chosen from Provincetown.
Province Landing Apartments
90 Shank Painter Rd, Provincetown, MA 02657
At the very tip of Cape Cod

o 1, 2 and 3 Bedroom Apartments
o Accessible Units Available
o Spacious floor plans
o Energy Efficient
o Laundry facility
o Community Room
o Parking

Monthly Rental Rates from $114 to $1103Income Restrictions Apply -- See
Application for Details.

Application Deadline for Selection Lottery is 3/12/2012
(must be post marked by that date)

Five Units Available For Households Requiring Accessible Apartments

For Information or to request an application, please call 508-487-9087, TTY 711
or email to planding@tcbinc.org
You may contact them yourself. I know several wonderful local residents who
applied but were not chose.

Michael Rogovsky
11:07 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE TOWN MANAGER AND
THE SELECTMEN THINK THAT YOU ARE FOOLS?

Do you really believe this..and if so, Please tell us why. I'm a citizen and I
truly want to know.
Michael Rogovsky
9:09 pm edt 

Years of an on Going Project

This project has been going on for years. How many of you have even gone to a
selectmen's meeting and asked about the progress?

Unfortunately, our newspaper doesn't carry stories of all of all of the work
that is going on regarding projects.

This is all new to all of these people. I'm a private citizen and I read the
Police needs report after it was published. Why, because I wanted to make sure
that a new station was needed.

Our DPW needs new buildings. Since 1950 they have doing their due diligence in
keeping this town running. They have exhausted every inch of space. They have
barely received a penny in all of these years.

Now they need a new building. Open your eyes and your hearts and see that the
time has come to rescue them from this dire need and give them some breathing
space to do their job.

Sign me,

Private Citizen (who works privately in town)
9:07 pm edt 

$8.30 a Month!

Well, I'm a private citizen and people are responding as though it is town hall
talking.

For only $8.30 a month added to our taxes we can give our municipal work force
decent working conditions and remove them from a third world working place.

Our buildings and ground crew now uses a port-a-potty even when it is freezing
outside. That young woman spoke up about working there for 5 years! How awful
for her to stand there and hear this project be denigrated.

They don't even have a sink to wash their hands after they go. It is a terrible
shame that this is all that we provide.
Ray Duarte tried to get more storage built onto the building at the Highway dept
when Bergman was a T.M--and the finance committee just laughed at him.

Everyone there who spoke against this is so ignorant of the facts. They are full
of prejudice and they refuse to learn what is needed and the plans do cover
these needs.
9:04 pm edt 

Landlords Need Rental Assurances

I have rentals coming up this fall. I have decided not to rent to anyone who has
put their name in the lottery.

70% of the people are just waltzing out of their leases by August.

Anyone who rents from me will have to give me a LOTTERY DEPOSIT. of $2,000.00

When they leave at the termination of their lease, they get the money back.
Otherwise, if they just up and leave in the middle of January--I get the money
while I struggle to find a tenant mid winter.


9:01 pm edt 

Assault in Town
 
Why didn't anyone see this coming? DENNY CAMINO charged with attempted
murder!

My question is why did              in      DO NOTHING to prevent this type of
situation from happening and get him help? Now there are 2 victims because
nothing was done.

Hopefully this individual will get some help before he kills someone. We have
all seen his acts in town get worse over the years.

"On March 17th at 8:22 a.m. Det. Scott Chovanec arrested
Denny R. Camino, 39, of Provincetown who was charged with
Indecent exposure
Open and gross lewdness
Assault and battery
Assault and battery with a dangerous weapon (2 Counts)
Attempted murder by means of strangulation
See original story here
Media release and mugshots furnished by Provincetown Police"

link here http://www.wickedlocal.com/provincetown/news/x1612628555/Provincetown-man-arrested-of-exposing-himself-assaulting-3-people#axzz1ph5lwWLb



8:59 pm edt 

Regionalize the Police Department

I suggest we counter the new police station plans with a plan to regionalize the
police dept. There is not enough crime in Provincetown to account for the kind
of spending that is being suggested. Wellfleet Truro and Provincetown Regional
Police Dept's could handle all three towns and likely at a savings.
8:53 pm edt 

Re: Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So

Re: "WE will be the prisoners."


Hey, this poster brings up a point I hadn't considered. If per chance I'm ever
arrested I'd sure like to spend the night in a nicer jail than we have now. I
know some folks that were arrested for skinny dipping and had to spend the night
in jail in their skivvy's, a miserable experience in the current facility. I'd
definitely pay a couple of hundred bucks a year in extra property taxes as
insurance for a decent place to spend the night should I ever fall afoul of the
law. Thanks poster, that's the best argument for the facility I've heard.


8:49 pm edt 

Affordable Housing - Shankpainter Road

Re: "Why are we providing Affordable housing to people from other
towns??  What is the logic behind this?"



The answer is simple.  By approving / supporting this development deal, certain
individuals in town profited.  The decision to build these homes was not what
was best for Provincetown or its tax payers; it was VERY profitable for some. 
The town now has enough affordable housing.  Many would argue, too much!
Developers and town officials should not be promoting any more of these
projects.  If the cape needs to find additional homes for individuals that have
been pushed out of the housing market, let other towns step up to the plate. 
There is plenty of open space in Mashpee, Chatham and Orleans, so let's
encourage those towns to build moderate / low income developments.

8:48 pm edt 

Trip of a Thousand Miles Begins With First Step

Approve the 650,000 plan and you approve the whole thing. A journey
starts with a single step.
8:45 pm edt 

DPW and Police Station

Blah,blah,blah!!!!!

The crime rate numbers still do not support this massive of a
Project,new buildings yes,millions no.

SHARON, LET'S FIX THE ROADS WITH THE $650 k,
How long do the citizens have to complain!!!!!
8:43 pm edt 

Re: BOS Open Town Meeting Forum

"I haven't heard anything about giving those properties (Community Center,
Gouveia and the Police Station) away and I'd be real surprised if anyone thought
that would be a good idea."



That's right among us fools we all think it a bad idea. However, Selectmen
Knight and Bedard have each proposed 'non profit-community based uses". It turns
out in Provincetown, it only takes three wise men.

That's why the have haven't fully explained the reason for the new warrant. We
approved selling those buildings last year, it is this year, that they are
revising that approval to give them away,
8:39 pm edt 

Ignorance and Derision

"Yet more love from Town Hall!! Get a grip people. This police DPW
complex is very unpopular. . ."


A small fraction of the residents showed up at last nights forum, many of which
I've never seen at town meeting.  If I'm in favor of the proposal I won't bother
going to the forum last night.  So if only the people against it showed up it's
a small fraction of the population.  Despite what this blog may believe there
are a number of people who support having this project go forward.  Perhaps not
in its exact state, but keep it going forward.  I'll vote yes in April.  If I'm
not happy with the final project proposed in November I'll vote no, but they
have my yes vote for this next step.
8:00 pm edt 

Re: BOS Open Town Meeting Forum

"Actually, that is $97 twice a year, And includes some very bold
assumptions:. . ."


Correction - the $97 is for the entire year.  You are correct, the Finance
Director pointed out the assumptions he included.  One was to sell the three
buildings at their appraised value and the other was to keep the 3% on the tax
bill when the land bank expires.  I haven't heard anything about giving those
properties away and I'd be real surprised if anyone thought that would be a good
idea.


1:08 pm edt 

Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So!

The police hearing was "the hallmark of people expressing their ignorance and
derision"



Ahh. Yet more love from Town Hall!! Get a grip people. This police DPW complex
is very unpopular.
12:49 pm edt 

Are the Citizens Fools? Apparently the TM and Police Chief Thinks So!

Yes, call us fools and treat us like idiots for showing up at a
hearing and expressing our opinions. You and your friends in the town govt treat
us with contempt and hatred at every opportunity.

The biggest thing that the BOS and TM do not understand is that most of us don't
see this grandiose police facility as something that will be there to protect
us. It is being designed to contain and control us.

WE will be the prisoners. WE will be the ones who are arrested, detained,
accused, punished.  We, the townspeople, are considered the foolish idiot
enemies now. Imagine what they will do to us when they have all the resources
they need to keep the fools in line. The narrow-minded perspectives of the
police chief and town manager will be the law of the land.

Say no to a police state.
12:34 pm edt 

Affordable Housing - Shankpainter Road

Re- "I'm curious as to what percentage of the people moving into the
Shankpainter Projects are Provincetown residents compared to those being bused
in from other communities."


Why are we providing Affordable housing to people from other towns ??  What is
the logic behind this ?

Provincetown is some of the most expensive Real estate in the country - why
should we provide this to non residents of Ptown.

How much of this goes on in Chatham or Osterville ??
12:28 pm edt 

Ignorance and Derision

Last night was quite the hallmark of people expressing their ignorance and
derision towards plans that these architects have spent weeks upon weeks
creating.

After all of the work they did and going to the sites and learning what was
needed people were yelling at them and telling them to essentially shut up and
let THE PEOPLE speak.

I'm so glad that you went there with an open mind. And you are all patting
yourselves on the back for being such involved citizens when you are the
bullies.
12:26 pm edt 

New Police Station

People look at the plans and see break room and imagine a dining hall when in
reality its a little space for a coffee pot and a microwave oven.

Of course they need a training room. You get as many officers as possible
together when there is a training session on how to use a breathalyzer.

You get as many officers together as possible to learn how to use a taser.

You have a drug bust, you have state troopers and other officers etc in a
room..they need a place to sit and have their material.

Just because you don't encounter such things in your every day life you assume
that they aren't needed.

People spout out all full of anger when all you are doing is making yourself
look like a fool to anyone who has taken to understand what the plans truly
represent.


12:23 pm edt 

Re: BOS Open Town Meeting Forum

"we did learn that this would raise our taxes by $97.00."


Actually, that is $97 twice a year, And includes some very bold assumptions:

1) We give up the land bank, but keep its 3% extra on our property tax

2) We sell the community center, Gouveia and the Police Station at market rates.
Current plans are to give them to non profits  (see warrant articles this year
removing prices so the Selectmen can sell them for a penny to non profit
developers)

Yes indeed:  it's $200 PLUS 3 percent of what you or your landlord already pay,
PLUS the loss of two community buildings PLUS the loss of the land bank
purchases of open space.


12:19 pm edt 

Last Night's Presentation

A proposal for an article to spend $650,000.00 for a design and construction
order turns into people yelling at the architects who are trying to make a
presentation while being interrupted by questions.

Too bad we weren't treated to newspaper articles in the banner over the last few
years cataloging the sites considered and why rejected.

How many times do we need to hear that the current site is unacceptable? That
Motta Field and the Grace Gouvera site are unacceptable before people get the
picture that all of the sites people mentioned had been looked at and deemed
unsatisfactory due to flooding problems etc etc etc.

People look at Race Road and say how it won't work for a police station without
realizing that studies are going to be done and the most optimal way for cars to
enter and leave a police station etc will be reviewed and reviewed.
There are rules and regulations that need to be followed regarding such things.




12:16 pm edt 

BOS Open Town Meeting Forum

Re: "This meeting was about spending up to a maximum of $650,000 for
detailed building plans and construction plans."


OK, I'm not an expert in construction, but the $650K is for more than a study as
another writer stated.  The current plan is evolving and will eventually lead to
a final plan after resident and selectmen input throughout the summer.  Once
that plan is finalized the detailed drawings are done and those are sent out for
bid.

We could decide we don't want to approve the $650K which would just stop the
process for six months.  The current architects have done the majority of their
portion of the work.  The next step starts if we approve the $650K, if it isn't
approved the process just stops.  I don't see the benefit of just stopping the
process for six months, but rather think we need to continue it.  We aren't
being asked to vote on a $14M project this April, just to continue the process. 
In the fall if we are not happy with the size or cost of the building we can
vote no and send it back.

That's my understanding

12:14 pm edt 

BOS Open Town Forum Meeting

Re: "However, we did learn that this would raise our taxes by
$97.00."


I attended the meeting last night and when the chair of the finance committee
was asked my Rick Murray how much the project would add to the tax rate, he
replied that the figures had not yet been worked out.

Where did you get the $97.00?  Is that per $1,000 or $100,000 of assessed value?

Daily Reader
12:11 pm edt 

To Serve & Protect:

Gone are the days that only 6 months are busy.  Go to the station and ask to see
the portion of the public log for calls for service.  you will be amazed how
busy it is in February!

Just Saying
12:08 pm edt 

$650,000.00 Article at Town Meeting

I'm proudly voting yes for this article. I want to see the final plans.

Last nights meeting was about the proposal to spend the money on this article.
It was hijacked! However, we did learn that this would raise our taxes by
$97.00.

The last time that we three went out to lunch and had 3 Bloody Marys, 3 cups of
chowder, 3 hamburgers, two cups of coffee and 2 pieces of cake..the bill was
over $100.00

I think that we can afford to pay $8.30 a month towards our taxes for these two
new buildings.
11:11 am edt 

Extravagance at the Police Station/DPW

Between now and town meeting a daily post with actual examples of what $14
Million buys...


A 35 seat conference room (the largest of four conference rooms) with a catering
kitchen (the smallest of three kitchens).


11:07 am edt 

Re:Town Meeting Article is for $650,000.00 Study

Should we be approving a study for a $10,000,000.00 project rather than a
$15,000,000.00 one; seems that we are giving the powers that be a "carte
blanche" to over build and over spend!

The police station seems to have more conference/meeting rooms than the number
of people that will ever be in the building.  Does the chief need his own
conference room?  The town manager doesn't.

I'd like to have a garage to house all my vehicles (one) but do we have to
garage ALL town vehicles?

Daily Reader
11:05 am edt 

Re: Town Meeting Article is for $650,000.00 Study

"I hope that people will now understand that the money is for a detailed issue
of two buildings on the DPW site. Please don't make a fool of yourselves"


Important facts related to the above quote:

1) If you disagree with the Lynn and the selectmen you are taken as a fool
rather than a voter.

2) The warrant is to complete the current plan to bid documents. Statements to
the contrary are "misleading". It's not a study it's an architectural plan to
send to building contractors to bid on.

the 20 or so supporters of the mega station have gone from secrecy to outright
dishonesty.

11:04 am edt 

The Chair Apologized for the Rude Behavior

People asked the architects a question and the people yelled,"Let the people
speak".

People who have no idea what the DPW garage looks like or the builds and grounds
garage just pipe up and dismiss plans or make comments based on ignorance.

I want this $650,000.00 proposal to come before town meeting. People won't be
allowed to yell our questions from the floor, they won't talk over people who
are speaking or yell out comments.

I should have gotten up and asked, "How many people think that this meeting is
about spending $14,600,000 to build these two buildings. If you raised your hand
to say yes--then you are ignorant of what is this meeting was truly about.

This meeting was about spending up to a maximum of $650,000 for detailed
building plans and construction plans.
11:01 am edt 

DPW Condos

People bought condos that were built right up to the edge of DPW land. What in
the world were you thinking? You can see the DPW buildings from right over your
fence.

It isn't our fault that you made such a poor decision.
10:38 am edt 

Street Sweeper

The sweeper has been out in some areas, but they are most likely waiting for the
parking rules to go into effect for Commercial Street on April 1st. Another fine
example of people spewing on here without the facts.
10:36 am edt 

Affordable Housing - Shankpainter Road

I'm curious as to what percentage of the people moving into the
Shankpainter Projects are Provincetown residents compared to those being bused
in from other communities.
10:35 am edt 

Re: Street Sweeper

"Where's the street sweeper its been above freezin I think its time for
the DPW to clean the town up. .  ."



That sweeper would work really well over the area where the water main is being
replaced.  And then when DPW is out with the sweeper folks would be griping on
here about why is the DPW sweeper out here so early in the season.


10:31 am edt 

Director M.I.A.

The tourism director is still m.i.a.
an intern and a secretary are running the show

why don't we just cut the tourism directors position to save the money. he's
never here anyway.

10:29 am edt 

To: Serve and Protect

As most of the police activity that happens in Provincetown is during the 6
month spring summer and fall period and most in the commercial district of Pearl
to Pleasant streets has anyone thought about a couple of smaller sub-stations so
that our policeman can really Serve and Protect our citizens?
10:28 am edt 

Negative Effect of Increased Property Tax

Interest rates are low because the economy is weak and growth is low flat or
negative.  On the lower Cape growth is clearly negative, so a property tax
increase will compound  retraction in our local economy.

interest rates are low for a reason.

10:26 am edt 

Town Meeting Article is for $650,000.00 Study

The purpose of the meeting was to understand the article so that we would go
forward and get a detailed plan for this article.

This eveing, Monday, March 19th, people responded as though we are asking them
to vote for an article to spend $14,000,000.00 This IS NOT the issue.

I hope that people will now understand that the money is for a detailed issue of
two buildings on the DPW site.

Please don't make a fool of yourselves and talk about a $14,000,000 complex when
the article asks for a study.
10:24 am edt 

A Push to Control

I think we're seeing an attempted coup.

The manager, chief, all the new "don't get it" cops, along with the power girl
coalition are bullying the town. Will you submit?

Please have some honor and resist.
3:03 am edt 

Street Sweeping

Where's the street sweeper its been above freezin I think its time for
the DPW to clean the town up

But we may get another 2" of snow bringing out the nanny town's plow & sand
crew.
3:00 am edt 

PS On Interest Rates

Municipal bond rates have been as high as 13% in the past though at a time of
galloping inflation. If the Fed haters are right and Bernanke, et al has set the
stage for massive inflation then today's rates are going to look like a bargain.
I don't think so but again, just another factor to consider.
2:58 am edt 

Re: Interest Rates

According to munibondadvisors dot com the current average 20 year municipal bond
index interest rate right now is 3.95%. This rate has ranged from 3.85% to as
high as 6% over the past 8 years. Picking a pre-crises average rate in 2003-2004
period it looks something like 4.75% - 5.75%. So, indeed low interest rates now
are appealing.

Another factor to consider; construction costs are relatively low now, companies
are looking for work. Will that be the case in five years if the economy
continues to recover? Something to consider. Maybe with some tough competition
those estimated costs can be shaved.

I hope that someone will stand up and ask at the next review meeting "what is
our liability if we don't build this and something happens that can be
attributed to the facility? What is the exact financial exposure of the town?
Can the town continue to get insurance coverage now that it has explicitly
reported on the poor condition of the facility?"


2:56 am edt 

Re; Street Sweeping

I was wondering the same thing and two people told me not yet, the sweeper is
still "winterized". I'm sure the DPW will wait till tourists start to park on
the roadways. Makes it quicker.
2:53 am edt 

Re: Homeowners Having to Move

Sorry you can't afford the taxes anymore. That is similar to many people as they
age. They no longer have kids in schools for which they are paying taxes, have
too big a house for their stage in life. Their home equity is their primary
savings. Thus they sell their home and move some place more affordable and to a
smaller abode. That isn't unique to Provincetown or a squeeze of the middle
class.

You chose to live in Provincetown for many years, benfitted from the great
community and scenic beauty which is a form of non-cash income. In doing so you
also chose to not live somewhere where a more profitable career for the two of
you might have yielded more savings to live on as you aged. Now your home is
your primary savings and you need to tap it. That's life.

It isn't the fault of the the taxes needed to properly run the town or maintain
town facilities. By the way you also probably voted along the way for the
generous retirement packages that are part of the long term financial challenge
this town and most others in the country face.

When my parents were elderly they sold their house and downsized into a
retirement community at lower costs. It happens all over the country.
2:52 am edt 

Re: "Just One Question"

Why was Town Hall rehabilitated first? Because engineers said it was
structurally unsound and might fall down. Also this report preceeded the police
station analysis and a lot more people are impacted if town hall falls down.
That would be my guess anyways.

PS: No one "whispered" liability. It's in clear concise statements in the report
and the poster said it clearly. No one is whispering, just asking that all
angles be considered before coming to a conclusion one way or the other.
2:48 am edt 

Affordable Housing-Shankpainter Rd. Lotterly

Does anyone have any info about the Lottery for the new housing
on Shankpainter? Today was big drawing!!!''!!!!!
2:46 am edt 

Re: Police Station

"...question what makes you an expert on the subject....  Is having employees and
members of the general public exposed to raw sewage backing up into the building
not a liability?"



My experience is from prisoner rights advocacy  and litigation about 15 years
ago, and nothing has gotten better for prisoners since then.

If you read the report on the police station: It is very clear that we don't
have a building problem we have a management problem. And this Town will run a
new building into the ground just as they have the current station.

Note to Town Manager: If plumbing is backing up:  fix it immediately. don't wait
5 years and then decide to replace the building.
2:43 am edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Some itemized lists are called for.  An itemization of all costs
associated with the project.  An itemization of where exactly all the funds
required for said project will come from.  Without detailed information
provided, an intelligent decision can't possibly be made.  And if it is, it
won't be intelligent and it will be just a sad day for Provincetown and those
footing the bill for it.

Now how about finishing the paving?  Almost fell off my bike today after being
forced into a crack/pothole by a driver trying to avoid one.
2:39 am edt 

Re: How Many of Us Are Here in the Fall, Winter or Spring?

"Everyone's hiding in their little offices and we are
worse off. . ."


I think it's called work which is what I'd want town employees doing.  But,
that's just me.
2:33 am edt 

Re: "Can Anyone Tell Us Why the Town Hall Was Rehabbed First?

Dear Slippery Clam:

I believe it was because water was leaking through the roof in Town Hall and the
auditorium was condemned as unsafe.


2:30 am edt 

Monday, March 19, 2012

This is a Sad Ploy

"..the really sad cases are the elderly town residents and
home owners who can no longer afford to pay these crazy taxes that go up and up.

How much more can they afford? they are the tragic ones, not the DPW nor the
police.

Let's get our priorities correct."




They are not the only sad cases.  My partner and I have lived here for many
years (not elderly), worked hard, given back to the town, and now we are facing
the reality that we will have to move from the town/home we love.  We can no
longer afford the taxes here, and we don't qualify for affordable housing,
either.  Provincetown is much like the rest of the country, squeezing out the
middle class.  The very rich and the very poor can live here.  I never thought
we or others in our similar situation would have to move.  My household has a
strict budget.  Time for Provincetown to go on a budget diet.  Cutting some town
government salaries (employees making more than $50,000-freeze raises, too.  The
Federal Government does this, just not in Congress!), and making decisions that
reflect our economic times would be great for starters.
4:11 pm edt 

Police Station & DPW Facility

Re: "I say: No unusual liability exists. None."


I'd question what makes you an expert on the subject.  Have you toured the
building, have you interviewed employees?  Is having employees work in a moldy
building not a liability?  Is having employees and members of the general public
exposed to raw sewage backing up into the building not a liability?  God forbid,
but what if your house caught on fire and when you called 911 no one answered
your call because leaking water shorted out the 911 system.  You wouldn't
consider the town liable because your house burned down?

Sorry, I don't work in the police building but, if my  employer made me work in
a building where mold existed I would contact an attorney.  That's not a scare
tactic or intimidation, it's just a fact.  If I wouldn't accept it I'm not sure
how I can expect my police town employees to  accept it.
4:08 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Re: "Also, again, interest rates are at rock bottom lows not likely to
ever be seen again in our lifetimes, if we don't do it now then can we afford it
in the future?"



I agree and it's why it worries me a little when people say let's wait on it. 
If interest rates increased 1% while we are waiting a year this $14.5M project
would cost another $145,000 per year in interest costs.

4:05 pm edt 

How Many of Us Are Here in the Fall winter Spring?

Maybe 400 to 500 people. spend $14 million on these buildings is ridiculous. We
have already spent millions for a library with few people even reading here. And
then Town Hall and the $9.5 million for what? Really? It's loss more life in
its new format than before. Everyone's hiding in their little offices and we are
worse off.

Where are the thinking people when we need them? So sad. So tragic.
4:03 pm edt 

I'm For Mr. Yingling

At least he speaks up. At least he is involved in the issues. At least he has a
voice.

where are the others? Only "yes" "Yes" "yes." that is failed leadership.


4:00 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

The combination of the police station + the DPW is clouding the
situation. It is showing the costs for two separate facilities combined in one
price tag.

Voters are being manipulated to say no to both, not one or the other.
What is the cost of the station, total with plans, furnishing and all the bells
and whistles included? Does anyone know that figure? 

Then what is the cost of the dpw building COMPLETE, separate from the
police station?  And off the topic, why must it be seen from the highway?

This just bothers me personally.
3:58 pm edt 

Just One Question

Since we are now hearing how "sub-standard" this town-owned building has been
for many many years, and how its a lawsuit waiting to happen, can anyone tell us
why the town hall was rehabbed first?

Slippery Clam
3:55 pm edt 

Street Sweeping

Wheres the street sweeper its been above freezin I think its time for
the DPW to clean the town up
3:52 pm edt 

Replace Sharon Lynn

"Interesting point.  .....By pointing out all the flaws that we know exist in
the current building...... and does nothing about it."


YES! That is why we need a new Town Manager asap. From the report posted on this
website, we have known about the fire extinguisher,  plumbing and electrical
problems since 2008. Many and probably most of the problems could have been
easily fixed, but have been ignored to the danger of town employee and resident
alike.




2:40 pm edt 

Re: Police Station

You whisper:  "consider the liability part of the equation."

I say: No unusual liability exists. None.  Again, they can't justify the
proposed building with facts so they go off on these scare tactic tangents.  No
moral imperative. No Lawsuits, no epidemic of rape.

All this noise is only because the proposed buildings are too big to justify
based on current police and DPW needs.


2:37 pm edt 

Re: Police Station

Re: "While awaiting further info before this taxpayer decides if this
is a must do I'd urge everyone to step back and consider the liability part of
the equation.  One bad incident due to substandard facilities could easily
outweight the costs of a new police station."


Interesting point.  By pointing out all the flaws that we know exist in the
current building we have handed an attorney all the arguments they need should
something unfortunate happen.  Hopefully insurance still covers a town's
liability when the town knows of the liability and does nothing about it.
11:12 am edt 

Police Station

While awaiting further info before this taxpayer decides if this is a must do
I'd urge everyone to step back and consider the liability part of the equation.
One bad incident due to substandard facilities could easily outweight the costs
of a new police station. Of course you could make the argument "hey, someone
gets loose in the station and shoots a lot of people our insurance company will
pay for it so why worry?" An individual taxpayer could also make the argument
"hey, I'm 70 years old, the likelyhood of this happening while I'm alive is low
but the likelyhood of extra taxes I'll have to pay is 100%."


Not saying this will happen but the report clearly demonstrates the potential
and what has happend to other municipalities. Also, again, interest rates are at
rock bottom lows not likely to ever be seen again in our lifetimes, if we don't
do it now then can we afford it in the future? Another way to look at this is
"hey, we limped along for a long time with the current mess and saved a whole
bunch of money doing so, now we need to spend that saved money because the
current situation is not tolerable."

- not a town employee, etc
10:30 am edt 

Erik Yingling

We still haven't hear Erik's response to why he missed half the FinCom
meetings have we?  I think before he's even considered for Selectman he needs to
tell us why he couldn't be bothered with those meetings, but all of a sudden
he's going to make a good selectman.
10:27 am edt 

Re: Just Say No!

"We do need a new police station, but first we need a new police chief. 
Say NO for now."


Yes, say no for now.  Interest rates will be lower in the future (NOT) and the
longer we wait the lower the costs will be (NOT).


10:24 am edt 

Sunday, March 18, 2012

Just Say No!

I urge all Provincetown residents to recollect the statements our
Chief of Police made to the press regarding the disabled 60+ year old
Provincetown resident who was struck by a police vehicle a few months ago.  They
were wrong and he was either not competent enough to keep his mouth shut when he
didnt have all of the facts or he was lying.  His statements were quickly
contradicted by the results of the investigation.  I stopped trusting him then.

Fast forward to the presentation given by the police union representative at the
March 12 Board of Selectmen meeting.  You can watch it on PTV.   Fear mongering
and a bullying demeanor are despicable and have no place in Provincetown.

We do need a new police station, but first we need a new police chief.  Say NO
for now.
11:47 pm edt 

Re: "One Man's Facts is Another Man's Spin"

".  .  . Also, has anyone looked into how much of that 14 million
dollars is for the police -vs- DPW ? If you do, you will see it's all about the
police.  .  ."


I'm guessing, based on reading the plans/costs listed on this web site, if you
only built the police station it's going to run around $8M to $9M.
11:01 pm edt 

Re: "One Man's Facts is Another Man's Spin"

"So, using your facts, the highway garage will cost 8.5 million.  14.5
- 6 = 8.5.  .  .  ."



Take a look at the facts as listed in the presentation.  The construction costs
for the police station are listed a $6M.  There are other costs obviously, but
if you are talking construction costs for police station it's $6M.  If you do
only the police station I don't know what the costs is, I expect we will hear
that Monday night.
10:14 pm edt 

Re: "Just Rhetoric"

"After the Needs study of the Police Station which states that it is substandard
and failed in every division and after hearing the woeful conditions of the DPW
you say that these new buildings aren't needed and that it all just emotional
manipulative rhetoric?"



No that is not what I said. What I said was, "rather than justify or even explain
why we need such an expensive and large police station, the supporters of the new
project have resorted to emotional manipulative rhetoric instead of logical
factual presentations."

Extravagant. Wasteful.
10:08 pm edt 

Provincetown Voters

The town of PROVINCETOWN is the number one employer in the town. All of these
worker will empathize with the police and the DPW workers just as I am.

This will pass. The selectmen are behind this 100% etc etc
I'm glad that my taxes will go up and that I will help out my fellow man and
woman.
10:04 pm edt 

Selectmen "Voted Yes" on March 12

HURRAY! ALLELUIA! TOP OF THE MORNING TO YA..

The selectmen voted unanimously on Monday, March 12 to champion this new DPW AND
POLICE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING.

Finally..justice to the people..thank you..I genuflect to the selectmen and the
other powers-that-be for creating this new world for our worker. God Bless You
EVERYONE!
10:02 pm edt 

He Needs to Go!

Fire the Police Chief.  He condemned the existing police station in
order to get something bigger and better. He has police cars all over town
stopping visitors for "traffic violations" in excess. 

He needs to go!
9:59 pm edt 

One Man's Facts is Another Man's Spin

"Try googling police station/highway garage because that is what is being
proposed for $14.5M.  I think if you look closely at the proposal you will see
the police station is more  like $6M.

It would really benefit us all if we'd use the facts."



So, using your facts, the highway garage will cost 8.5 million.  14.5 - 6 = 8.5. 
Must be some sweet garage to cost 2.5 million more than the station.  Hope that
isn't a fact cause if it is, wow.
7:59 pm edt 

More Police Station Thoughts to Ponder

This Police Chief is far from getting what he wants, the new police station is
only a tip of the iceberg. I have first hand knowledge on what he has done
already and he's not done. Also, has anyone looked into how much of that 14
million dollars is for the police -vs- DPW ? If you do, you will see it's all
about the police. The amount for the new DPW is far lesser and the size will not
match the size of the police room for room. This Chief does not care about
anyone but himself and guess who he has in his back pocket, yep, the town
manager. I just can't believe how blind the selectmen are to all of this. When
they have meetings with the town manager, they look like puppets. Then again
they are the ones who gave him a 3 year contract.
7:56 pm edt 

Re: "Just Rhetoric"

After the Needs study of the Police Station which states that it is substandard
and failed in every division and after hearing the woeful conditions of the DPW
you say that these new buildings aren't needed and that it all just emotional
manipulative rhetoric?

Tell that to our fellow citizens. They are living this reality every single day.

The police station is manned twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Year in
and year out.

Emotional manipulative Rhetoric indeed. Cook your food in your work place
bathroom and then eat it.
7:53 pm edt 

Re: "Don't Walk Out of Town Meeting"

Re: "Provincetown is the number one employer in town. Most of the town
workers walk out after the budget vote. . ."


I've never seen that happen once.  Where do you folks come up with this stuff?
7:48 pm edt 

Re: "Are the Town Books Out Yet?"

The 'town books' are always available to anyone who wants to see them.  A couple
of months ago I asked the Finance Director how much the police department had
spent on overtime so far this year.  I was stunned by the amount.  Point is, the
information is available, just ask.
7:46 pm edt 

This is a Sad Ploy

DPW and the police. someone decided to link these two mega-project and
mega-wishes to get a vote in favor of these two groups. Put this decision off.
Delay doing anything. the really sad cases are the elderly town residents and
home owners who can no longer afford to pay these crazy taxes that go up and up.

How much more can they afford? they are the tragic ones, not the DPW nor the
police.

Let's get our priorities correct.
7:44 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

"Even adjusting for inflation and our unique seasonal police force
requirements - 14 million?  Does that include a resort casino?"


Try googling police station/highway garage because that is what is being
proposed for $14.5M.  I think if you look closely at the proposal you will see
the police station is more  like $6M.

It would really benefit us all if we'd use the facts.

7:42 pm edt 

Town Meeting is the Most Important Public Hearing

11 1/2 months ago, Town approved the beginning of a plan for a new police
station. Yet Town has yet to justify the need for such an extravagant compound.

Most of the arguments are "they deserve it", it's "a moral imperative",  or
"anal oral and vaginal rape" is on its way to your house.

I can only conclude that they can't justify the expense of the new buildings and
are instead focusing on emotionally manipulative rhetoric.

Show up April 2 and send them back to the drawing board for an effective yet
sane and affordable solution.


12:40 pm edt 


"suitable and cost effective Police/DPW facility that is conmesurate to the
needs generated by our population of 2,950.. . .But, you ignore the fact our
population hits 50,000 "



We have a very large year round full time force, and have 14 seasonal officers
to compliment the year round force. Yet the new police station anticipates a
doubling of the year round force.

And what about all that expensive DPW equipment? That includes a very expensive
beach rake that has never been used and a bunch of of expensive seldom used
equipment. The only one who uses heavy machinery in town is Robert B Our and
they bring their own.

Perhaps the answer is not to build it a $5 Million dollar DPW garage?

STOP SPENDING ON ALL THIS STUFF.  PAVE THE STREETS.
12:37 pm edt 

Don't Walk Out of Town Meeting

Provincetown is the number one employer in town. Most of the town workers walk
out after the budget vote.

Stay and attend the meeting and vote for a new DPW building and a new Police
station.
9:26 am edt 

Monday 6pm Public Forum

Provincetown has always had a jerry rigged police station; our DPW should have a
big enough garage to house all of our expensive equipment. I see what the
elements do to my house with has a very exposed corner.

We need to create a DPW that isn't fighting town-inflicted obstacles every
moment of the day because we don't give them what they need.
9:24 am edt 

Tammany Hall v Provincetown Cabal

Re: "I wrote about the Provincetown Cabal, but I don't consider Grassy and
Austin as part of the Cabal at all. . ."



So you define inclusion based on who you like or don't like?  This town's
resident have to be the most petty I've ever encountered.
9:19 am edt 

How Do We Divide the Baby?

A yes vote for a suitable and cost effective Police/DPW facility that
is conmesurate to the needs generated by our population of 2,950.. . .

But, you ignore the fact our population hits 50,000 in the summer as recently
stated by former selectman M J Avellar to the BOS on another issue.
9:16 am edt 

Affordable Housing

The only way to put an end to the abuse of this form of housing
(abuse= the lining of Ted Malone's pockets and the alarming  
rally, endorsement and blatant cheerleading of this housing by Elaine Anderson
and her 2 followers is simple. Keep a vigilant eye on shankpainter as that is a
done deal. Report any and all abuse by those who live there- sublets, seasonal
rentals-then leaving for the warmer weather in the winter etc.

Secondly- GET INVOLVED in town politics and lets put an end to this egregious waste of
taxpayer money and windfall for developer Mr. Malone. In addition- report any
and all suspicious activity . I am so disappointed in our town government for
pushing this through and more importantly stunned at their stupidity. Tourism is
the life blood of our beautiful town. I only hope that crime does not surface
and cause us all to suffer. 

Be vigilant!!!
9:14 am edt 

Affordable Housing

Can someone please explain to me why we don't have enough already ?  The census
says there are 2000 + year round residents - many of which have homes here.

Who are we building this stuff for ???  With all the units now PLUS the
Shankpainter development -

DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ???

As a property owner here I'm sick and tired of a "few" benefitting from this
overdone endeavor
9:11 am edt 

Chairman Elaine Anderson's Reverse Endorsement of Eric

Another BOS Police Station circus this coming Monday. I am hoping I can get
Anderson to yell at me. They say that's all it takes to get elected Selectman
these days.

I doubt Anderson has any idea the public hearing reflected very badly on her. If
she shuts down Erik -or anyone else in the audience for that matter- I think
town will react quickly and specifically to correct the chairman.
9:08 am edt 

What is the Real Cost?

ARE THE TOWN BOOKS OUT YET?. CANT WAIT TO SEE HOW MUCH OUR POLICE FORCE
ACTUALLY COST THIS TOWN AND ALL THE SUMMER RENFORCEMENTS AND HOW MANY TRAFFIC
COPS MR JARRAN DOES HIRE..CHECK OUT THE OVERTIME AND PAID DETAIL COST  S$$$$$$$
9:06 am edt 

Just Common Sense

Simply Google "towns in massachusetts with new police stations" and
check out the new station in Littleton, MA.
Even adjusting for inflation and our unique seasonal police force requirements -
14 million?  Does that include a resort casino?

Sorry to disappoint.  No big conspiracy theory and not as smart as you claim. 
Feeling quite dumb actually. Dumb for having expectations that common sense
might have a place in the discussion.  You do prove the point though by bringing
personal insults to the table as a response.
9:03 am edt 

I'm a Landlady

I've done reference checks. I've called people back and confronted them and
asked them why they lied about so and so and they said,"I wanted him to able to
get the place."

One woman lied through her teeth about someone--and this was a reputable person
in town who gave the reference--she was in love with him!

You can fabricate names and give the interviewer the number of a friend to call
and have them impersonate your landlord . All of this is hush hush--I've already
talked with the people in charge of the program.

I do know that they are doing third person financial checks (like they can't be
fudged). I've been duped --do you really think that the affordable housing
people are going to be that sever with over 50 singles and couples all sending
in applications at once? Hardly.

I was living a nightmare and posted on here last summer about it. I went to
small claims court--the harassment that ensued after he learned that was beyond
belief at home and even at my workplace. Slander beyond imagination.

I went to the court and said I don't want any money--just make this person stay
away from me! So there is a gag order (the person copied me and so I can't say
anything about this person).And yet even after all of this a package was
delivered to my house and he came and got it from someone. I was too intimidated
to go to the authorities.

My reference will be that I was ordered by the court not to say anything about
this person so he doesn't spread anymore lies about me. Lets see if that does
the trick..of course they will tell him..that is what set him off in the first
place.

I was honest and told his prospective landlord what he was like--but I said not
to say that I told him. He told and my life became a living hell.

Now he is your problem and his friend should have been arrested--but the victim
was too intimidated and made me promise not to call the police.
Lets see if he won the lottery. Good Luck to you out there and please get extra
locks.
9:01 am edt 

Re: "Just a Ploy"

The foreman of Buildings and Grounds stood up and spoke and so did the Highway
foreman. They spoke in front of the selectmen, the town manager, Their boss the
Director of the DPW and chief of police and all of us citizens.

These men spoke of working conditions similar to what one reads in third world
countries. And you just brush them off as inconsequential and state that it is
"just a ploy".

With your         thinking then you probably believe that the             was
just a hazing incident! Pity you think this way.
8:57 am edt 

Friday, March 16, 2012

Affordable Housing

Check the capewidenews once in a while and see the crime in Hyannis and
surrounding areas...  That is the abundance of over flow that is coming to town. 
I agree... Several have lied on the applications to say their residence...  I
hope background checks, criminal checks and references were all checked in the
process.   Haste makes waste!   Let's keep Provincetown the beautiful, safe
place it is !!!!!
4:46 pm edt 

Re: Tammany Hall v Provincetown Cabal

I wrote about the Provincetown Cabal, but I don't consider Grassy and
Austin as part of the Cabal at all.

So your laughter is well justified, IMO, if anyone says that Grassy or Austin
are part of the Cabal.
4:18 pm edt 

Re: Tammany Hall v Provincetown Cabal

There's a vast difference between a woman and a puppet.

A Woman Who's NOT A PUPPET
3:33 pm edt 

New Police Station


Monday night was a performance, not a presentation. And the only standing
ovation were the people waiting to speak.

Voters at Town Meeting might be moved by theatrics. But the ballot box is a much
different ball game.
3:31 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station

"This town only really needs 2 cops per shift, plus the chief, and 2 or 3
dispatchers. So we are talking 7 cops+. The current building is plenty big for
this amount of people."


Lack of knowledge or mis-information is dangerous.  I don't know how much staff
we need and I suspect you don't either.  But I'm guessing you have not worked on
a police force and have no real basis for making your claim as to the proper
size of a police force.
3:28 pm edt 

Yes We Are Fools!

".  .  .After taxing us for town hall renovations and the
Library, here they go again. "Let the fools pay" I can hear them say."


Actually FinCom tried to offer partial suggestion as to how to pay for paving
and police station with changes to MPL permit parking.  That meeting was
hijacked by non-property owners and even worse, folks who do not live in town,
but expect Provincetown taxpayers to subsidize their parking.  The only other
alternative is higher taxes which of course the non-residents don't care about,
it's not their town.

Yes, I guess you are right - we ARE fools.
3:24 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

"We have a moral imperative to vote YES on this project."


Actually it is not a moral imperative, not even close. And statements like those
as well as the "oral, anal, vaginal" rape drama only reinforce the belief that
this is the wrong solution for the police and the DPW.

It's way too big, far too extravagant and much too rushed. And we can't afford
it even we want it.


3:22 pm edt 

Comic Relief

A person recently told me that she reads these postings for comic relief. Now to
read about the Cabal here in town reaching its tentacles into every committee.
Hysterical.

Salty John Santos--gruff, direct no nonsense--part of a cabal..You gave me the
laugh of the day--no the week--no the month!!!

I'm laughing as I read this..John Santos, part of a cabal.
3:19 pm edt 

To: Vernon Porter

Is it true that your boss, our Board of Selectmen, is firing you from the
position of Secretary to them?

If so, you have a nice little lawsuit.
3:14 pm edt 

Police Station Janitor Position

I don't know who the janitor at the Police Station is. Chances are I
know him or her - small town.  But is it true that the Police Department is
hiring more year round cops and janitors?


3:11 pm edt 

DPW Facility

The DPW Moved from Grace Goveia and Is spending too much on this
Renovation

and now even more! For the DPW? You have to be kidding us. We hardly care about
the DPW. they have burdened us enough with their poorly designed sewer system.
Please, this is a sickening situation with almost no one in leadershhip having a
snes of the real future for Provincetown.
3:09 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Do You Call spending $9 million Plus for Town Hall Letting Our
Buildings Fall apart?

and what about the millions and millions we spent on the town library.

get a life. We have too put too much money into these buildings and should just
stop. enough foolishness. Enough poor vision for this tiny town.

Your sad case about town workers is a ploy. How disgusting to fabricate these
sad stories to take money from elderly in this town and bankrupt them. you
should be ashamed of yourself.
3:07 pm edt 

Pampered People

I remember when life was such a struggle. It took me years to enjoy going out to
eat. I'd look at the prices of a meal and think how I could fill half of my
fridge if I spent the money on food.

That period of my youthful early adult years when every penny was beyond
precious and I was working two jobs and putting myself through school and I
couldn't enjoy eating out--is just a memory.

I have the luxury of time. I'm not rich and I have debt--but it is all
manageable.

I want to vote yes on the police station and the DPW building. It a sacrifice to
vote for them as my taxes will go up--but I have to be able to live with myself
and after seeing on PTV how these guys had just come from work and gave a
description of their working situation I feel morally obligated to raise my hand
and vote yes to these buildings.

How anyone can indenture our dedicated municipal work force and our police
officers to such working conditions and force our town mechanic to work under
such stringent conditions with no protection for all of our trucks and machinery
is beyond me.

We are indeed a pampered people.
3:02 pm edt 

Criminals as Residents

There is a violent element that was here and in Hyannis. Mail had come to my
house addressed to one of these people so I wrote "fraud"  and "REFUSED" ACROSS
THE BACK and SENT IT BACK TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GROUP. (The fraud expected
his friend, a tenant, to pick it up--it was put in the wrong mail box)!

What I should have done was written a calm, detailed letter and returned it with
the unopened envelope and mailed it off TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PEOPLE.

Monday is the lottery. Tuesday the winners are called and the rest are told
where they are in line. No names will be released to the public.

Now the evilness will one day--perhaps in few months--be in your neighborhood
and there is nothing that I can do about it for reasons that I do not wish to
discuss.

2:59 pm edt 

Re: Tammany Hall v Provincetown Cabal

The Puppeteer is looking anxious these days. Not as easy to get one's
way, is it?
2:56 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Let's get some clear: Most of the people in town support bettering the
working conditions of the people we pay to do their jobs.

But most of the townspeople won't get behind a facility or facilities that are
exorbitant in price for our little town to support.

If there are people who really, really want it, then why don't you all
personnally donate in order to make it to the 14.6 million.

I promise I won't stop you from doing so!!!
2:53 pm edt 

Re: Need to Change the BOS

I don't lump all of the BOS in one bucket. Two of them show
independence from the Pupeteer and the rest of the puppets.
2:49 pm edt 

We Did Not Give Up Our Ability to Adjust Our Decisions

Just because Town Meeting voted one way earlier doesn't mean that we
the people don't have the right to change our minds.

Remember, now we have a consultant's report on which to base our decisions about
what to do next.
2:47 pm edt 

A Yes Vote For Erik Yingling

A yes vote for a suitable and cost effective Police/DPW facility that is
conmesurate to the needs generated by our population of 2,950.
2:44 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

You write:

"Do you really think that the town is going to say no to this after we are the
ones who started this process?"

I respond:

Yup.  If today, the vote would be an overwhelming NO.

Bedard has already lost his selectmen's parking space over this while Lynn and
Knight and Santos will have some explaining to do.

And by the way, no one in town thinks they are the ones who started this
project. But then again, as they say success has a thousand fathers.
2:42 pm edt 

We Need More Police

The town is opening 50 units in the housing project on Shankpaitner Rd. Another
is being constructed near there and another one on Race Point Rd.

Contact shop owners in Hyannis--go and see the people hanging out there. I've
seen people there with my own eyes who I've seen here who wanted to beat people
up! yes, They are applying for affordable housing. (They lied about being local)

30% of the housing is going to outsiders from shelters etc.  Yes, we will need
MORE police here.
2:38 pm edt 

Re: Keep Inspiring Us to Vote No!

Do you really think that yelling that you don't want to hear the noise from the
DPW because you bought condos by the DPW is going to win the hearts and minds of
people?

Do you think that having Eric chiming in and yelling at the Chair of the
Selectmen, a woman, is going to endear him to all of women who have had to put
up with unreasonable men they encountered in the working world and somewhat in
their daily life?


2:36 pm edt 

Re: Tomorrow Will Tell

You are so brave here to post anonymously saying that we are the boss--and will
vote no.

However, you won't stand up and repeat this in front of the camera so your
single thought will just stay with you to dwell on while the rest of the
concerned citizens vote yes on this article.

You who are against this seem to forget that the town voted yes to these new
buildings and that this is the process it takes to arrive at the construction of
these two buildings.
2:30 pm edt 

Re; Tammany Hall v Provincetown Cabal

Yes, Tammany Hall has been alive and well in Provincetown for several
years.  We need to severe the tentacles that stretch to, practically, every
committee in town, as well as to many of the top department heads.

Not a big conspiracy; we just let it happen gradually. I recognize that we're to
blame for much of it.  And when we began complaining about it, their reply has
always been:  "Get involved."

Well, guess what! We're getting involved, and they don't seem to be overjoyed
about it. Our filling that room both nights last week wasn't something that they
necessarily were wishing, thus, the 10 minutes at the end of the so called
"Public Hearing".

Voting for Eric is just the first step to taking our town back!!!




11:56 am edt 

DPW and Police Project

We spend millions on the school year after year after year--and we have what, 12
high school students?

We spend millions buying property and giving it to developers: You can't
convince me that the group that is building the megalith on shankpainter Rd
couldn't come up with the million dollars to buy the land. Look at the
operation!

Do our teachers have to use a port-a-potty for a bathroom?

Do our librarians have to heat up their meals in a microwave and wait until
someone is finished using the toilet first so they can get their meal?

Do people in town hall have to wade through backed up sewage to get do their
job?


11:52 am edt 

Just Say Yes!

All WE NEED TO DO-RAISE OUR HANDS AND VOTE YES!

Hearing about men and women working out of a garage and using a port-a-potty for
a bathroom!

workers forced to use a microwave to cook in a bathroom.

Men who plow 24 hours a day for days when we have a storm and taking cat naps in
their trucks and only a hot plate and a microwave to use..when the bathroom
isn't occupied!

All we need to do is to raise our hand at town meeting and change the work world
of these town employees forever.

This is why I'm thrilled to be going to Town meeting to vote yes.

We have a moral imperative to vote YES on this project.
11:48 am edt 

We Must Be Clear as to Our Purpose and the Limits of Our Ability

For many years we have ignored the maintenance on our buildings &
streets and it's very expensive to now play catch-up.

I will vote yes on the police station/highway garage, but the architects, town
manager and board of selectmen must prove it is a basic facility that meets our
needs and not our wants.

Once they have proven that the building meets our needs only and is not filled
with extravagant features I will vote yes for the following reasons:

1. We can wait six months, a year, two years, but nothing is going to change,
it's not going to get cheaper.
2. We are going to need to borrow to pay for it, interest rates most likely
won't be this low for many years.
3. I do care about our staff.  We can't continue to make them work under their
current conditions.
4. The very expensive equipment being stored outside during the winter needs to
be moved inside.

Questions I want answered or understood:

*The new highway garage includes the offices for DPW administrative staff.  What
would be the cost if we left the admin offices at the VMES?  I know the ideal
situation is to have an entire dept under one roof, but maybe we can't afford
the ideal situation.

*I see the new police structure includes space for additional people like an
add'l Lt.  What are the plans for new staff?  I think the police staffing is as
high as it needs to be right now.  If the police chief is building a station
built for 'future growth' I want to know that now.  We have very little free
space in town, we're not going to experience huge population growth, the police
chief does not need to be planning for growth.

11:47 am edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Put the DPW & police station under one roof. That alone would bring
the price down. One roof,one heating/cooling system, one kitchen, less rest
rooms, shared conference rooms. ETC. ECT. ECT.
11:37 am edt 

Erik Yingling

YES TO ERIC  NO TO  POLICE STATION!
11:35 am edt 

Re: Pink Slime- What is it?

Pink slime is the meat by product left after the meat is butchered
Up,then is cooked and then treated with  amonium to kill the
Bacteria. They use it to add volume to ground beef,it was previously
Used in dog food. The meat industry claims it is meat,but look up
World news,with Diane sawyer for more info.

I emailed stop and shop and they claim it's beef,but there are other
Supermarkets who refuse to add it in.
11:34 am edt 

Tomorrow Will Tell

BOS, the people you try to talk down to today...will vote NO tomorrow!!!

We are not stupid. Do not treat us as such!

We will not be Bullied by people who Work For Us!

Yes, that is right you Public Servants actually work for us, which is why the
title is what it is. You seem to be confused, and think that we work for you.
Wrong.

If you do your job, which is to meet the needs of the Towns People, you can keep
your Job. If you decide to meet your own Wants before the Needs of the town, you
should be fired!

That said, working conditions should be in good condition, and this Port-O-Potty
thing is ridiculous, and should be addressed.

On the other hand we are not a big city, we are a small town, and do not need a
big city police station, or big city police department.

When we don't have $12,000 for a part time Janitor, how do we have $14,000,000
for a new police station, and 2 full time janitors?

All major crimes are handled by the State Police.
So that leaves speed traps year round,
and crowd control for 2 months in the summer.
That is why we have summer cops.

This town only really needs 2 cops per shift, plus the chief, and 2 or 3
dispatchers. So we are talking 7 cops+ .
The current building is plenty big for this amount of people.
It seems like the new station is designed for a large police FORCE!
Why? We are a small town.

If the current station needs some renovations, do them.

Do not come to us and try to Bully/Threaten us into giving you whatever you
want.

Sorry.

Your Bullying win NOT work on us.
11:31 am edt 

Erik -

Don't know who he is - but so nice to see that his running has so many of the
"establishment" NERVOUS.
11:27 am edt 

How Stupid do You Think We Are?

I heard that there was a lot of ranting and raving against these municipal
projects at the DPW site.

I think that everyone forgets that this passed unanimously at town meeting and
the presentation of the site plan is the result of that vote.

The next step is voting yes to get a detailed plan and the construction
plan--every nut and bolt, every door knob and light fixture, every window and
door and every piece of tile and how much sheet rock and rebar etc.

Do you really think that the town is going to say no to this after we are the
ones who started this process?

Don't you think that we realized that we were going to have to pay what it costs
to build two new buildings?

Nobody pushed anything down our throats.

How stupid do you all think we are?
11:26 am edt 

Like a Third World Country

"Hearing what the conditions are in the police station and the DPW sounds as
though I was hearing about a third world country."


Provincetown has never had a real police station. The DPW is woefully
inadequate.

Many communities intentionally have road bumps all through their area. If we
follow the speed limit, our roads aren't bad.

Once the DIGGING UP OF OUR STREETS IS COMPLETE then we can address the road.



11:23 am edt 

Police Station

Best place for a new station is the fire station, they be together. They
could use the old one for parking. se your head.
11:20 am edt 

BOS Had No Intention of Having a Second Meeting

Re: Posting of Monday's  BOS  "Public Hearing"
My point is , if it was posted as a "meeting" or a
"presentation "  then  "public statements" are not
mandatory.  However, it was clearly posted as a
"public hearing" which means that "public statements"
are part of the agenda.

With all the controversy that surrounds this issue, how
could the BOS  schedule this "hearing" for only one
hour, leaving a mere 10 minutes for the public to
ask questions and make statements?

It is obvious that the Board had no intentions to extend
the "hearing" to the following Monday.

Monday's meeting should have also been held in our
state of the arts auditorium at the getgo.

Thank you Erik for standing up for the rights of very
concerned citizens.
11:18 am edt 

The BOS Has No Respect for the People!

We are tokens to them. We don't count. Only they count to each other. They view
us as fools if not sheep. After taxing us for town hall renovations and the
Library, here they go again. "Let the fools pay" I can hear them say.

Isn't it time we woke up?
11:14 am edt 

Re: New Police Station Janitors

". . .When that new police station is built if it some how passes, it
will take 2 janitors to take care of it and the
salaries will be more than what
the current janitor makes. Sad but true."


What's sad is that your facts are wrong.  If the put a full time janitor at the
police station he sure as heck is not going to be part of the police union which
means he won't be paid more than some police officers as the position is now
paid.
11:11 am edt 

Here's a Thought.....

One major project that has not been completed is street paving. That's a project
that is first and foremost as it impacts each of us.

Let's finish what we promised.... them we can work on the next project....

Is that so wrong?
12:07 am edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

"Does anyone know if this 14 million includes the construction of the
highway department too?"


Yes, the $14M includes the new highway garage facility.

12:06 am edt 

Erik You Have My Vote

I want someone who cares and who stands up for what we are against. I want
emotion. I'm so very happy you are running. You do have my vote and my support.
I think the present BOS is totally out of touch with how many of us feel. They
talk to their little select group--the kitchen cabinet--Sharon's backroom
group--and that is the end of the talk.

  Time for this to change.
12:03 am edt 

Scare Tactics Won't Work

What do you mean oral, anal and vaginal rape? What-if's from the police to scare
us?

We can be for the police and AGAINST the police station. they should be the
first to separate concerns from political decisions. They just WANT a new
building and now scare us with potential violent acts.

This is a small town. we don't need a Hyannis-driven police department building.
IF the ppolice are not happy being here then maybe it's time for some to
leave--not threaten us, not scare us.

That is what criminals do--not the police.

What is wrong with them?
12:01 am edt 

Thursday, March 15, 2012

Maybe Bedard Should Try Being Angry
 
Isn't it time he acted in our interests? isn't it time he was courageous enough
to stand up for ---something?  He's been there enough years and has done little
except try to be Chair. That failed and now he sits there and sits there.

Enough inaction. Time for change. Time for someone with a voice and I hope a
voice for us.
11:59 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Police Station/DPW Facilities

"It's obvious the meeting was called a "public" meeting so that, down
the line, the "public" can't claim they weren't afforded an opportunity in front
of town officials to formally and publicly voice their objections well prior to
project commencement. . . ."

Because everyone is out to get you right?   That massive conspiracy by everyone
at town hall to pull the wool over your eyes, but your too smart cause you can
see through their grand scheme to get you.
10:29 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Does anyone know if this 14million includes the construction of the
highway department too?
10:27 pm edt 

Buildings Have Served Their Function - Now Time to Replace
 
We have squeezed every inch of life out of these poor buildings: One is the
highway department building built in the 1950s.

The second is a police station moved into a funeral home. This town has never
had a proper police station.

Now is the time. Interests rate are dead low. We have the vote from previous
town meetings to proceed to this level and now we must vote to continue on the
journey.

We vote to spend millions on land that we gave to developers; we spend millions
on the school each year..and we have less than 15 high school students.

It is time to vote this article and do right by our town employees.
10:25 pm edt 

Police Station

In a previous posting, a blogger mentioned that the Chief tried to get rid of
the janitor at the Police Station this winter. From what I have heard, both the
Town Manager and Chief have teamed up to remove him COMPLETELY AND DEFINETELY
come July 1st from the Police Station. This is without a doubt a money issue and
the janitor is a victim of the TM's and Chief's dirty politics. When that new
police station is built if it some how passes, it will take 2 janitors to take
care of it and the salaries will be more than what the current janitor makes.
Sad but true. Also, like the previous blogger noticed, there is going to be 2
lieutenants, etc, etc, well let that be no suprise to any of you. He is no
where's near done with what he wants, the new station is and will be only a tip
of the iceberg.
10:22 pm edt 

Don't Know Where to Start

It's like a third world country.

Our DPW garage:

The highway forman is forced to convert his office and uses the bathroom as part
of their break room.
People staying night and day-days at a time to plow during a storm and must make
do with only a hot plate and a microwave.

So, you are are heating up your beef stew in the microwave and then a guy rushes
in and has to use the toilet.

And then there is the buildings and grounds: For eleven years now, the buildings
and grounds men and women work out of a garage at the cemetery and use a
port-a-poty as their bathroom.

And condo's sell for $600,000.00 in this town?

I was brought up and taught that there is dignity in good, honest work. You get
dirty, but it is honest dirt.

How can any of you deny the fact that we need this garage?
I'm going to the meeting on Monday.

And the poor condo people who built near the DPW garage. Life is hard for you
there, I'm sure. You poor, poor people.
10:21 pm edt 

Re: Of Course, Erik Was Angry. So Were Most of Us There!

Putting me down for expressing my beliefs isn't going to work with me.
It certainly won't make me vote for Beddard.

We need someone like Erik right now at Town Hall.

All we have now is a puppeteer pulling the strings of the puppets. :)

10:15 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Polices Station/DPW Facilities

That "public hearing" made a mockery of the participatory process in
government!

Thanks, Eric!
10:13 pm edt 

Same Pig With New Lipstick

It's obvious the meeting was called a "public" meeting so that, down
the line, the "public" can't claim they weren't afforded an opportunity in front
of town officials to formally and publicly voice their objections well prior to
project commencement.  Have you learned nothing from the Sidelink of this Blog. 
Same thing happened in that "Abutters" meeting.  It was a bad joke.  Town
officials had to give face time to the whiners (for the record}.  Protocol was
followed.  Don't cry you weren't given the chance to object, you had it
according to the record of a public meeting being held for that purpose.
5:26 pm edt 

Re: Of Course, Erik Was Angry. So Were Most of us There!

I suggest you (and Erik) take an anger management course so you learn to control
your anger.  There is a time and a place for everything.  Although I suspect
Erik's anger was more for show in an attempt to win votes.
5:22 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

The best site for the Police/DPW is the West End Parking Lot, but some
nice shrubs should be added, so the structures are not visible from the street.
5:20 pm edt 

Sorry Chief!

I hate to go against the building of a new police station but, we voted
not that long ago at town meeting not to build anything on the green-way next to
rt 6. that could be seen from rt 6. Sorry chief. Most of us assumed it was to be
down by the DPW yard out of sight from our green-way.
3:25 pm edt 

Re: Time Will Tell

Re: Talk to the BOS. They are convinced the town is behind the 14
million project. Just ask them.


I suspect the BOS realizes that most of the town is intelligent enough to wait
until all the information is out and their questions have been asked and
answered.  Only then will most of the town's residents make a decision.


3:22 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Wow..we all need to think very closely about the cost and size of this
new police station, did anyone notice on the graph that their will be 2
lieutenants with their own area and 4 detectives with their OWN FLOOR and 4
seargents..huge payroll increase with all the new police they will be hiring and
town benefits they will have to pay..but this winter he has been trying to do
away with the janitor who has worked their the last 25 years.i think in the long
run this chief is going to sink the tax payers.a new staion maybe be needed but
not only does it need to be furnished, he is already making his move to double
the or triple the ranks and just imagine how much foot patrol will he need to
hire...vote no to what this guy wants and tell him to go be more realistic with
the community and this economy
3:12 pm edt 

Re: "Pink Slime"

Please, clarify. What is "pink slime"?
I remember reading something about it but can't
Remember exactly what.

Thanks

Pink Flyod
3:10 pm edt 

Detective Lobar's Presentation "Over the Top" - Thanks Chief!

I am furious about this police station business and I am tired of
being treated like an idiot by my town government.

Something that hasn't been mentioned is that the location is unfair to those who
live in the Race Point Rd section of town.  Most of the people who live over
there don't even get trash pickup even though they pay the taxes for it. They
have to pay a high price for private pickup. Now there will be construction and
trucks and dust and dirt and traffic and noise right in their backyards, partly
to pay for a DPW that doesn't even serve them.

The Banner should be ashamed of its coverage of the police "public" hearing.
There was only a vague reference to that insulting and manipulative speech given
by Detective Lobar, in which she asks us to imagine ourselves "Orally, anally,
and vaginally raped."  THIS IS A HUGE PART OF THE NEWS STORY, and absolutely
none of it was quoted. Shame on the Provincetown Banner!!

Thanks to those who showed up at the Parking hearing and convinced the selectmen
to vote "No" on limiting resident parking. So many of you weerre so vocal, that
they really had no choice.

PLEASE vote NO at town meeting. We DO need a new police station, but we do not
need to pay any where near 15 million dollars for it. The plans are overblown
and outrageous and we are being robbed. PLEASE come to town meeting and vote NO
on the police station. Send a message that we will not be treated like idiots--
we will not be manipulated.
3:08 pm edt 

Unintended Consequences

Your lack of forethought on your part doesn't necessitate a change of plans on
our part.

You buy a condo next to the dump or the DPW. The DPW has been there since the
men who work the DPW built it! You new it was there--its presence wasn't hidden
from you.

Now when the town needs to fully utilize this town owned property you rant and
rave about the DPW being there.

Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you really want to make such a fool of
yourself and complain publicly that you might have made a mistake and didn't
take everything into consideration?

3:01 pm edt 

A Vote for Erik

Of course, Erik was angry.  So were most of us  there!
How dare the Chair call a Public Hearing, and then not allow the public to
speak, other than 10 minutes at the end.

It was the Chair the one that was disrespectful to us, the public!

Glad you're running, Erik.

I'm voting for you!
2:57 pm edt 

Behind This Project

These are our working men and women in this town. These are our neighbors. They
deserve adequate AND PROPER working conditions.
2:53 pm edt 

Town Website Plan Site

I applaud this project. I can see all aspects of it. The condo people will get a
beautiful screened area between and the DPW. How can they complain about that?

Now I firmly believe that this is the best place for the Police station. I had
assumed that it would be down below street level.

Go to the web address
http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1101
and be impressed!
2:51 pm edt 

BOS and the Police Station

The Selectmen have no clue as to how many people are going to vote against it.
The many that are against all know not to say anything to anyone. If there is a
slight chance that it passes at Town Meeting, it will be by a very slim margin.
Hopefully it won't. Either way I hope the Selectmen take exceptional note to the
votes because those votes are silently telling the Selectmen that the people in
this town are not happy with the Town Manager and the Police Chief
2:49 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

If you buy a property or rent a home next to a dump and the public
works yard, you have no right to complain about the noise day OR night! And now
that you brought attention to your problem, good luck trying to sell it.
12:25 pm edt 

Pink Slime in Our Food?

FYI - our local supermarket uses pink slime.
The same pink slime previously used in dog food.
12:22 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities Plan

You may go to this site, taken from the provincetown website and see the plans
as we saw them on the screen at Monday's meeting.
http://www.provincetown-ma.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1101
12:20 pm edt 

Time Will Tell

Talk to the BOS. They are convinced the town is behind the 14 million
project. Just ask them.
9:45 am edt 

Re: Direct Questions to the Architects

You mean why ask a private citizen who is touting that he's done the
research and posting all about it here? You're an      .
9:42 am edt 

Direct Questions to the Architects

The architects will be at the meeting on Monday. Why in the world would you ask
a private citizen questions when the experts are there..if you have
questions--find out the answers yourself.

9:28 am edt 

Disingenuous Denial

After the publicity forum/public hearing on the police station  we confirmed 
that.significant portions of non  public details  were leaked here selectively
in support of the project.

So the next time we hear people in Town Hall dismissing this blog just remember
they post here too.
9:26 am edt 

Necessity Vs Desire

I just had a tour of a $14,000,000.00 "House"
It was on TV. I don't recall the name of the show.
It was much bigger and nicer than my small P-Town place.
I want one.
I really really do.
If I act badly, cary a gun, and describe rape,
do you think the town will go into massive debt to give me one?
9:22 am edt 

Parking Regulation Changes Shot Down ala Truro

I love how the selectmen bowed to the Truro residents who demanded
that they wanted the right to park in the MPL and not to raise the fee.


My guess is a majority of people who spoke and were present are not Provincetown
property owners and don't directly see a property tax bill.  Yet, they will
scream how unaffordable Provincetown is and demand their affordable housing when
their landlord raises their rent to cover his/her increased property tax bill.

And it does bring up an earlier question, why do we provide subsidized parking
to people who do not live in Provincetown?  As a town we are very generous, we
give it away to everyone.
9:18 am edt 

Re: Erik Yingling

"Poor Elaine she got yelled at while chairing a meeting. Please people
if she can't take the heat with some loud political discourse .  .  ."


No, you are wrong.  Political discourse is one thing, rude childish behavior is
another thing.  Erik's demonstration was a clear indication of his character and
I for one, hope I never see the day where that type of behavior is considered
acceptable.
9:13 am edt 

Re: Parking Regulation Changes Shot Down ala Truro

You think the taxes are high now? Wait till the new water treatment plant goes
in over in Truro that nobody is paying attention to (millions) and then we have
to build a second wellhead in a new wellfield in Truro as part of the water
agreement the selectmen signed (millions). Parking? At least that makes money
regardless of who pays.
9:11 am edt 

FYI Re: New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Two weeks ago I read on  the Town Web site the BOS
agenda, 03/12, For police/ dpw. It clearly was advertised
as a "Public Hearing" however, I thought it strange that
no mention of Public Statements was noted.

Today I checked the agenda for next Monday and guess
what? It is advertised as a  " Public  Forum" and no mention
of  public statements.

What games are they playing? Or is it possible that Chair
Anderson still does not know how to properly post an agenda?
BTW, last Monday's agenda is no longer on the web but
the Town Clerk will have it in his files.

9:09 am edt 

Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Sad Police Presentation

What the hell was with that cop telling the story about rape? That was what the
police union sent as representation to persuade the public to vote for a new
facility? ARE YOU SERIOUS????? So what if I'm one of those that hasn't been
raped, should I not vote for the facility? Or should I vote for it so I won't be
raped in the future? Or if I have ben raped, is this to be some kind of a
repayment to the police for coming to my aid? Or maybe if the police had a nice
headquarters, I wouldn't have been raped? WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??????? That
presentation was such a mistake. The police union should appolgize for that. It
was embarrassing to watch on the internet and must have been unbearable to
listen to at the meeting. Very, very inappropriate and they should be told so.
Just for that presentation, I'm not voting for the facility. That may not be
rational but the presentation wasn't rational either. Way out of line.
11:47 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

Accoustical design?

When the neighbor asked about accoustical design, the architect said the
buildings were built with the highest quality materials that are sound proof?
What? She's talking about the sirens blaring as the cops exit the facility to
get to a call and the endless backup beep beep beep beep beep from the DPW
trucks and machinery. The beeps go on all night in a snow storm and all day,
every work day, all day long so be prepared. And of course, the bigger question
is where will Robert Our Co. dump their sewer project overdig? Noise is a big
factor in this. Don't overlook it. Fences and shrubbery don't quiet the beep
beep beep beeps all night long.
11:45 pm edt 

A Moment of Clarification

The meeting on Monday has clarified for me that I need to vote for,
Eric Yinging.
11:43 pm edt 

Re: Tip For Tops'n

To whom it may concern: Carreiro's Tip For Tops'n Rest. will OPEN on
Friday, April 6,2012 @ 7a.m.; looking forward to seeing you all there!
11:41 pm edt 

Poorly Conceived, the Monday Whatever it was

Now it's being peddled as a public forum, instead of a public hearing. Seems
like trying to reinvent things.

To the BOS Chair, If you need training on how to conduct public meetings, for
Pete's sake, go and get it!  The staff and employees will all benefit inmensely
from your newly acquired skills!!!!
11:40 pm edt 

The Police Station

I am not making fun of Michael.  Since he did his homework, I have some
questions:

- Michael, when you called all of the police chiefs, did you ask them how big
their stations were and how many officers they had

- Michael, I think most of a us agree that a new station is needed, the question
is the scope of the project and the cost.  Did you get any sense that the
proposed station in Provincetown is in-line with costs elsewhere, i.e. did you
ask the police chiefs what the cost was per square foot.

Otherwise, reposting repeatedly that the building is falling down (we know) and
that it's our civic duty (we know this too) isn't particularly helpful to the
debate, no offense intended.  The debate isn't about whether the police need new
or refurbished space.   That ship has passed.

I have read the proposal, looked at the elevations and the floor plans.  The
police station doesn't seem extravagant to me.  But I am definitely not an
expert.  I'd like to hear from some.  The other buildings I have no view on, but
I didn't know that we needed new DPW facilities.  That doesn't sit right to me
that it's being bundled.

And as for Eric, I wasn't at the last meeting (had to work) but will be at the
next.  To be an effective leader you've got to respect the process.  What I'd
like to hear from you is a well reasoned alternative to the proposal on the
table.  In other words, don't be against everything, stand for something.  Give
us your vision of where you'd like to see the police station and what you
believe the scope of the project should be.  Then you'll get my vote.
11:38 pm edt 

Parking Regulation Changes Shot Down ala Truro

I love how the selectmen bowed to the Truro residents who demanded
that they wanted the right to park in the MPL and not to raise the fee. Truro
truly feels Provincetown owes them! First they overprice us on water and now we
give in to them on parking. I can't wait for my RE taxes to go up!!!
11:35 pm edt 

Upon Reflection

Of course the number of people being pulled over for speeding in town
is up.  How else do you think the town is going to pay for the new 14 million
dollar police department building?

But seriously, some drivers are going way too fast around town and need to slow
down.

11:32 pm edt 

A Little Common Sense About the Police Station

I think that almost everyone will agree that we need to take some action about
the poor condition of the Police Station. However, in these difficult financial
times, building a brand new facility is not the answer. Undertaking a new
project along with all the other projects that this Town is already involved in
makes no sense. The answer to this dilemma is to spend a more modest amount, say
one million or so, to upgrade the current police station and make it habitable
for our empolyees. This should get us by for a few years, perhaps five or more.
At that time we can then reconsider the proposition of a new station.
11:31 pm edt 

Time to Pull the Plug

I think we should have an elected mayor.  Why is our town govenment
set-up so that a few individuals make a choice for all of us.  Something is very
wrong with the out-of-control spending in this town.

When does the police chiefs contract expire?

Please go to the next town meeting to vote against any new increases in the
budget.
11:30 pm edt 

An Unworthy Story

A police station that costs 14 million+ for a 3 mile square town with
a seasonal population. (maybe some local services for year round residents would
be money better spent)
A member of the police force recanting events of a very hurtful and ugly nature
to garner support for sweet new digs.

(Does this officer and those coaching from behind the curtain even remember
events of the 70's and 80's when a summer rapist was par for the course? Let
alone a local, much more dangerous serial series of events, as in much more,
that didn't result in a multi-million dollar police station)  Or should we drag
up those details at next town meeting?  And those from here know this story
well.  Enough said.

The meeting itself was akin to the unnecessary graphic presentation.


11:28 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Debacle

People will be breaking their leases and moving into these apartments at the end
of the summer. I talked to a person about and if a tenant leaves you and someone
to replace him or her, you have a hard time in court.

However, I had to take my tenant to court--the tenant was so horrific that I
said don't pay me but have no contact with me either.

This former tenant will be living at the affordable housing place if the owners
don't heed my warning.
11:26 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Facts

I called and this is what I was told: Lottery is Monday. People chosen can move
in July and August--several (4?) will be ready sooner.
THE FACTS: *ONE PERSON* CAN RENT A TWO BEDROOM SUBSIDIZED APARTMENT****
Province Landing Apartments
90 Shank Painter Rd, Provincetown, MA 02657
At the very tip of Cape Cod

o 1, 2 and 3 Bedroom Apartments
o Accessible Units Available
o Spacious floor plans
o Energy Efficient
o Laundry facility
o Community Room
o Parking

Monthly Rental Rates from $114 to $1103Income Restrictions Apply -- See
Application for Details.

Application Deadline for Selection Lottery is 3/12/2012
(must be post marked by that date)

Five Units Available For Households Requiring Accessible Apartments

For Information or to request an application, please call 508-487-9087, TTY 711
or email to planding@tcbinc.org
11:24 pm edt 

Affordable Housing Fact

A single person can rent a two bedroom unit at 90 Shankpainter rd.

I called them today and the woman kindly told me that if a single person has a
qualifying income, that single person may rent a two bedroom apt.

I swear on the bible that this is what she told me! these are the facts
11:22 pm edt 

Open Question - New Police Station/DPW Facilities

.

Harwich built a new police station which Michael described as nothing fancy.  Do
we know how much it cost per square foot to build the Harwich police station? 
How does it compare to the estimate for Provincetown's estimated sq ft cost? 
Should give us an idea if we are using a reasonable estimate for our cost.
11:20 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

Poor Elaine she got yelled at while chairing a meeting. Please people if she
can't take the heat with some loud political discourse then step aside. The
whole meeting was a sham for her and her board the Cabal that controls Town
Hall. God forbid if you has some excitement and old fashion political discourse.
POLITE you say how about not able to speak to an elected official and get a damn
answer to a question: "we will only let you speak for 5 minutes and we don't
respond to public statements" That archaic rule should be abolished. I hope some 
       are        at the next meeting to wake up that pandering geriatric BOS
who don't think "outside the box" EVER!!
11:18 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

I'm voting for Eric.

At least WE STAND A CHANCE to be heard.
11:15 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Fascilities

No this discussion is not like the presidential election--far from it. Mitt
Romney loses and he cries into his $250 million dollars and consoles himself in
one his many homes.

Not so with our hard working men and women who toil for the town. They work in
substandard conditions.

I know, I know, you don't want to hear about it--you want to get ready for you
manicure or your round of golf on these lovely days.

However, these men and women are our neighbors. They work in sub standard
conditions. Work their job for a week and they say that having the microwave in
the bathroom--or no bathroom at all--is fine with you.

Id love to see how long you would have lasted last winter going out to the
port-a-potty! You have no concept of the injustice of this situation. You don't
want to spend the money paying any extra taxes.

Too bad you have no sense of the lives of other people or how we can improve
them by giving them decent working buildings. Sorry to bore you again. Just
throw a little extra into the collection box this Sunday..and then go play golf.
11:14 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

Re: Apparently keeping as many town employees as possible on the
payroll should be our number one priority.


You do realize this is the stated goal of Erik Yingling, candidate for the Board
of Selectmen, right?

I'm all for cutting staff whenever possible, paying the current staff a market
value wage and providing them with benefits that compare with other Cape towns. 
But, this town should run as efficiently as possible.  I'm proud of our staff,
but town should run as a business.  If the need for a position is no longer
there the position should be eliminated.
11:12 pm edt 

Insulting Behavior

When an individual running for selectmen goes to a meeting and yells at the
chair that she is out of order when he is clearly out of order--that person is a
bully!

How you can defend this bully is beyond the pale. He refuses to listen to the
facts and instead is volatile and reacts and yells if he doesn't get his way and
shoots from the hip over his INTERPRETATION OF HIS VERSION OF FABRICATED FACTS.
4:39 pm edt 

Sounds Like Bait and Switch

The  ESTIMATED cost of the project is $14.6 million ,so please don't
keep saying its a 14 million dollar project.

We all know how that works!
4:36 pm edt 

Re: Affordable Rentals

One single person can only apply for a single bedroom. And cannot sub rent Period!
Get your facts right.

A two bedroom can only be rented by two people. A three bedroom can only go to a
three or four person family.
4:34 pm edt 

March 12 Meeting

I'm going back, I'll get a seat and I'll ask questions. I had no idea that the
police station would be on the street level! I thought that it would down below
the road way.

Will there be room for new machinery? Will the mechanic be able to work on more
than one vehicle in the new facility?
Will the workers have a separate area so that they aren't freezing in the cold
when the garage doors open?

Such terrible working conditions and the condo people are worried about the
construction noise. If anything, living next to the DPW, a new building and a
new barrier of trees *CAN* only improve the situation!

4:32 pm edt 

Tammany Hall (New York City Political Organization)

Will Ann Magguire  recuse herself from the Fin Com vote on the police station? 
At the BOS meeting she was publicly identified as a member of the Town Managers
Police Station Committee....
I understand  Coen is a stickler for public  decorum on his committee,.

4:30 pm edt 

Signing Your Name

See what happens when you sign your name? A private citizen who isn't running
for office but is a concerned individual who cares about the working conditions
of the men and women who work in this town gets slammed each time he writes and
signs his name.

He made calls to town managers and police chiefs and made a visit to a new
police station. He got his facts first hand. He read the report and toured our
own police station.

He volunteered for years at the manor when I was there.

How many of you have taken tours of our police station and others or spoke to
other town mangers or police chiefs in other towns? How many of our own
selectmen did that?
4:27 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station/DPW Facilities

And in their infinite wisdom, this is how the Chair, along with "the
little group" brilliantly "planned" it.

Okay, we'll hold the Public Hearing on Monday, the 12th.
How long should this hearing last?
Well, let's see, an hour, from 5 to 6 PM; I think that's plenty of time.
We'll start with giving an award; that should take about 5 minutes.
Then, we'll have Sharon give an overview/background; that should take about 15
minutes.
We should follow that with the presentation by the consultant; let's say,
another 15 minutes.
Then, we'll have pre-selected staff give supportive statements. That should take
another 15 minutes.
Wait a minute...how much time do we have left of the hour for the public to
speak?
About 10 minutes.
Ten minutes? Perfect! That should be more than enough to make them feel like
they participated.

NOW they're trying to fix things by saying that, all along,  they had planned to
hold another Public Hearing the following Monday.  Really?????

If we're to believe that,  then a competent Chair would have indicated right at
the start if the "hearing":  We realize that there will be only enough time to
hear just a few of you, so in view of the expressed interest, we already have
scheduled a continuation of this Hearing next Monday.  So if you're not called
today to speak, you'll have a chance to do so at the next Hearing on Monday.

And THAT is the way, a BOS Chair runs a hearing!

Instead, as the "Hearing" went on, the public was squirming in anger and
frustration because they knew that there wan't going to be hardly any time to
make public comments.



4:23 pm edt 

Vast Confusion

A $14 million dollar project. Two buildings--two adequate necessary buildings
that must be built. It isn't a Taj Mahal
or a grand edifice--this is what it costs for bare bones basic buildings in this
day and age.

One person writes how the room was stacked and the public forbidden to speak.
This was a public forum where plans were unveiled for the proposed New Police
station and the DPW building.

This was to present to the board this $14 million dollar proposal!

It was an hour long presentation. There is an all evening presentation on March
19th. What sad prejudice against our elected officials being called a secret
cabal, having their own agenda of enriched buildings.

What nonsense. We have decrepit buildings, we have workers using a port-a-potty
for 11 years and substandard buildings.
We have inadequate buildings for our expensive machinery.

There is injustice in our workplace; our workers deserve proper and safe working
conditions. And our town equipment deserves proper storage facilities.  Proper
and Safe.
4:20 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

RE: "Then take a minute to think, with all these projects going on
where is all this money going to come from to pay for them. One of the ways is
thru taxes."


Taxes are the only way.  I've heard the FinCom proposal to change permit parking
at MPL was shot down by an angry mob at town hall last night.  A concept that
could potentially have raised $500,000 a year was shot down by folks who feel
the MPL is their private parking space.

Really, there aren't many other options out there cept for taxes and if you want
the streets paved you can expect to see it on your tax bill.  simple as that.
4:18 pm edt 

Yes, Stack the Room and Dominate the Conversation

     Then say you held a meeting on the combined Hotel: Police station and DPW.
What a strange combination! It smells!!

     Let the people speak. but no. dominate the disucssion and then try to act
as if the people spoke.

    They did not. they have yet to speak. Yet to say, perhaps, no, no. no.

   We are not that stupid. We aren't.
2:34 pm edt 

Responding to Rudeness

Eric's behavior was rude beyond contempt. Calling for disrespect of our public
officials is demeaning and obnoxious.
Disagree without being disagreeable is my motto.

How you can countenance Eric yelling at the chair that she is "out of Order" is
beyond the pale. What does he have to offer but ignorance of the facts and hot
headed yelling instead of intelligence?
2:32 pm edt 

I'm for Erik Yingling

I wouldn't normally post my votes here but someone is against this young man.
I'm glad there is young blood interested in this town. I don't think he should
be attacked here. But maybe the person who has the most to lose is part of this
harrassment of Mr. Yingling. Just perhaps.
2:30 pm edt 

Tips for Tops'n

Just wondering if anyone know when Tips is reopening? I see some activity and
can't wait

Thanks
2:29 pm edt 

New Police Station

I think the pro's and con's on wether we need a new police station or not will
be like the many discussions you and see about who is or will be the best
President of the United States, it too is endless.

What I think the residents of this town need to consider is: (1) what it costs
and still costs for the Library, (2) what it will cost to fix the old Vets
School, (3) the paving of the roads, (4) the financial hole this town is in due
to the septic, (5) what it's going to cost this town to pay schools like Nauset
to educate our kids next year and the year after.

Then take a minute to think, with all these projects going on where is all this
money going to come from to pay for them. One of the ways is thru taxes. How
many presidential candidates have you heard say no more taxes,etc and once they
get into office guess what happens. This is exactly what is going to happen here
and then when Sharon Lynn and the Police Chief can't figure out how you as a tax
payer are going to pay for it, they will leave just like the last Town Manager
did. The Police Station can wait another year because it is functional like it
has been for the last 25 years, it's just this Police Chief doesn't like it.
2:27 pm edt 

Michael Rogovsky

Michael Rogovsky is back! And this time wants us to build a multi million $$$
police station! Why doesn't he just raffle off some of his paintings and give
the town the cash to pay for the station?
2:25 pm edt 

Understanding a Public Forum: Procedure and Protocol

This was a chance for presentations to be made. That is why the police and the
DPW workers spoke. They Didn't HIJACK the meeting. In your ignorance, you just
didin't undersand the procedure and instead shoot from the hip and denounce the
whole presentation.

That is the proper PROTOCOL of the Public Forum. How else would we hear any
information on which to make comments?

Do you understand? There are rules. A word that describes a noun is an
adjective--one that describes a verb is an adverb.

A public forum is not a selectmen's meeting. You want one to do the work of
another--but there are rules.
2:14 pm edt 

Re: When is Enough Enough - Fix it or Leave!

Yes, the town budget is up 1.4%, but that includes a larger increase from the
schools. (yes, it's true the school budget is going up up up).

If you take out the schools, Town budget is flat.
2:10 pm edt 

Re: New Police station/DPW Facilities

What Micheal Rogovsky doesn't say is the Harwich facility is a combination
police and fire,it was also reduced in size to reduce the cost and Harwich had a
website where the public could ask questions and where the exact cost to the
taxpayer was spelled out. I also did my homework :)
2:08 pm edt 

Re: When is Enough Enough - Fix it or Leave!

"I'm tired of residents who only try to think of ways to screw town employees."

Apparently keeping as many town employees as possible on the payroll should be
our number one priority.  Let us not try to cut cost and run a more efficient
town government.  Lets find as many ways as possible to spend the tax payers
money.  After all, most of them only live here a few months out of the year and
don't have any rights to stop us.  Imagine how different things would be if ALL
tax payers had a say as to how their tax dollars are spent.  In the mean time,
we should make sure that we take care of ourselves handsomely.

2:06 pm edt 

March 19th Public Forum Meeting

MONDAY'S ONE HOUR PUBLIC FORUM

This was to present facts. The architects presented the buildings. The DPW
workers described the present conditions un which they work and the police
officer described how there is a need for a new police station to benefit the
public.

This was a one hour presentation. Monday, March 19, starting at 6pm in the
auditorium there will be another. All will have a seat.

We learned facts on Monday and we will learn more this coming Monday.
2:05 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

We need to get it right this time and not squeeze a police station into some
jury-rigged building. We need a professional police station as well as an
adequate DPW facility..both are sadly lacking now.
2:02 pm edt 

New Police Station/DPW Facilities

The plan is to build a Home Depot type of police station. It still will cost $7
million dollars.
1:59 pm edt 

March 19th Public Forum

This was a one hour presentation by the architects. The whole evening will be
devoted to this on March 19th starting at 6pm in the auditorium.


1:57 pm edt 

Housing Lottery Monday

There are hundreds of names going into the lottery.
All a person has to do to qualify for the lottery is to work in town or go to
school in town in order to qualify--and meet the financial requirement.

One single person who qualifies can definitely rent a two (or three?) bedroom
apartment. Thus they can get a summer roommate and charge a market rent and
their  (cheap) subsidized rent is paid for an entire year. Living free and easy
all year..quite a deal.

70% of the 50 units means that 35 units will go strictly to Provincetown renters
and they will be picked by lottery on Monday. The units will be ready in July
and August.

This means that a number of people who currently have leases and are year round
renters will break their leases and just move out in July or August and into
affordable housing.

The units are picked on Monday. The current and previous landlords are notified
in order to give a reference. Of course, there has to be 3rd party confirmation
of income.



1:55 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facility

I am totally convinced of the need for a new facility, but don't lay
down 14 mil and demand that it can't be slimmed down.
1:53 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station/DPW Facility

". . .so I did my homework and took the time to find out the truth of
the situation . . ."



That portion of a previous posting is exactly what the majority of the people in
this town do NOT bother with.
1:51 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

It appears the "friends of Dave Bedard" are posting here to defame Mr. Yingling,
what a surprise, The ladies of the West End and her 2 "boys" one who sits beside
Mr. Bedard and is a client at his place of business are showing their
"political" maneuvers early in the game!! Mr Bedard needs to retire from the BOS
and replaced, Is Eric the "right" candidate?

I am not sure but let's give him a \shot for a "new" fresh perspective, he is young
and may present new ideas for the community instead of this private cabal ( not
sure if i spelled this correctly) Did he raise his voice on Monday, YES he did, it
appears that more voices will be raised this coming Monday when the BOS chair will
have to actually run an important meeting with taxpayers and citizens having a
chance to speak instead of the arcane rules of 5 minutes at public statements twice
a month.

Eric needs some refinement in the public arena but I applaud his enthusiasm and
becoming part of the political process, those that abhore his personality then you
run and make a difference!!
1:45 pm edt 

BOS Meeting _ New Police Station/DPW Facilities

SOUND AND FURY SIGNIFYING NOTHING
SHRILL CONDO OWNERS

It isn't our fault that you bought where you did next to the town's department
of works property. Bad planning on your part doesn't create and emergency on our
part.

So we are supposed to not use it for our TONW NEEDS because you don't want to
hear the building that would be going on?

Poor babies! Yelling and being petulant and demanding and obnoxious as you are
just shows that you are infantile and overbearing.

Your ignorant questions: Why do you need the parking places at the police
station? Shows that you have no idea what you are even talking about.

Talking over the chair when she and the town manager were telling you about the
website. You are so unreasonable.

So much for doing your homework. Your sound and fury along with your poster Boy
Eric just shows that you are all anger and haven't even looked at the plans or
have any idea what is involved.

You are full of sound and fury signifying NOTHING!
1:44 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting- New Police Station/DPW Facility

PUBLIC FORUM POWER POINT

Well, we all saw the two buildings proposed for $14 million dollars. Finally, a
chance to do what is right. Two brand new buildings appropriate for the use at
the DPW site.

Don't under the condo folks who bought next to this site now up in arms about
it. For decades the DPW has been located where it is and not the space is
finally being totally utilized.

The yelling, obnoxious condo owner with all of her "QUESTIONS" in the form of a
rant championed by Eric Yingling yelling at the chair that she is out of
order--they sure won points for their behavior.

Tune in Monday for act two of the out of control condo people and their champion
yeller--Eric Yingling.
1:39 pm edt 

Housing Lottery

Suddenly, the day after the lottery, 50 people are going to break their leases
and vacate their apartments in June--so then the landlords will be able to rent
to the foreign students?

Then in the Fall they will look for tenants?
1:36 pm edt 

Re: When is Enough Enough - Fix it or Leave!

Re: "I'm tired of a Town Manager who has failed to address the one
thing that will keep a lid on larger town budgets-town employee benefits."


I'm sure you are aware that the town's operating budget increased by 1.4% this
year.  Yes, it seems it's completely out of control (sarcasm).  And you think
employee benefits are the reason for all your woes?

No, what happens as it does all over this state and this country is that people
want things from their government, but of course they don't want to pay for it.


12:31 pm edt 

I Am Sad For the Town

The town employees, selectmen, and police highjacked a public forum to advance
their agendas.  I supported the expansion of the police station until I watched
that meeting last night.  Now it doesn't feel right to vote for a project that
is literally shoved down our throats with a mixture of fear and self-pity. 

Ray Duarte and his crew deserve the finest facilities, but a police force that
needs to bully it's way to a decision with graphic conjecture and intimifdation
tactics does not.

Let's not forget people, the police force is massively oversized. Don't let
Sharon and Jeff fool you.

I will be voting NO regardless of what happens in this town meeting cycle. Next
year, they can approach us again with a better attitude that includes the public
and doesn't include scare tactics.

12:27 pm edt 

Shankpainter Road Speed Limit for Housing Project

Soon people will be living in the housing project on Shankpainter Rd. Get used
to the fact that traffic will have to be slower. Just because it is winter,
people can't be barreling down the street.

The officers here are doing their job. Of course there is prejudice against the
police. If this was a school we were talking about instead of a decrepit police
station, there would be rallies all over town for a new school.

Instead, it is shrugged shoulders and indifference.
12:25 pm edt 

Re: Bad PR- A Serious Need for Madmen

"Just returned from the hardware and Stop and Shop.  While on the road
I saw three diffrent cops writing tickets to three diffrent people who had been
pulled over..."



I agree the police should know enough to stop writing tickets until they get
their new station.  Oh wait, that's just stupid.   Our police are professional,
they are not going to stop doing their job.
12:21 pm edt 

Yingling at the Selectmens Meeting

I am warning all of you, don't vote this guy in! He's heard from some (probably
from in here mostly) and has decided to be VERY ignorant to get his point across
regarding the costs of the new police department. From watching the meeting,
obviously, he doesn't pay attention to the proceedings and decides when it time
to speak out even though he will be given a chance next week at a  dedicated
meeting to discuss the matter on a motion by the selectmen and favorably agreed
to by the entire audience (to laughs). This guy will do the town no good.
Ignorance and anger toward a board you want to work with is no way to get
attention. You can call him an upstart or that he speaks truth to power and all
that BS but this guy has already turned the board against him with htis outburst
and if elected, he's a lame or even dead duck on that board. Nobody will side
with his motions and he will not accomplish anything. He hasn't thought this
through enough. Wasn't this the same guy that wanted to hire part time employees
to water the plants throughout town? What would they do on rainy days? Again, if this
is one of his ideas, he's not thinking.

After the police station issue passes, whats his next focus or is he a one horse
show? Vote someone else in.
12:20 pm edt 

Re: Bad PR- A Serious Need for Madmen

Or maybe they were just checking the information and wrote nothing?
12:17 pm edt 

A Reasoned Case For "Less"

As a community, we're going to have to come together to reconcile the
wide gap that may exist between our wants and needs concerning our police
facilities.


I have always thought highly of those police members that work here year round,
and if it was up to me, I'd hire Kisho Kurokawa to design our police station.
But that's not where our little village is, financially.

P.S.  Yes, I was the one who ended up schlepping to Home Depot to get my kitchen
cabinets. Though top of the line (If one can truly say that about anything that
comes from Home Depot), they weren't the custom built cabinets that I really
wanted.  Wants versus needs...sigh...

Let's build a Home Depot type police station then.



12:05 pm edt 

A Public Meeting Where the Majority Was Silenced

Not malice, just sheer, sheer ineptitude - a "public" hearing where
the public, of all those present, was the least heard.
A Public Meeting Where the Majority Was Silenced
12:03 pm edt 

Proposal Shown On Monday

The architects showed the plans for the police station and the DPW building. It
seems that Michael R. did his homework and even went and took a tour.

The plan is for $14 million. Didn't you go to hear the proposal and see the
beautiful drawings of the buildings?
12:00 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station/DPW Facilities

I hadn't been keeping up with the Police Station debate, but I'd heard
that there was a lot of controversy. I didn't yet know how I was going to vote
at town mtg on the article, so I decided to watch the recent meeting online.

I watched it closely and I am furious. I still don't know what we should do
about the police station, but I do know that I have no reason at all to believe
that our leaders have the citizens' best interests at heart.

I had to watch the thing twice to figure out who in leadership was there besides
Sharon Lyn, the Police Chief, and Elaine Anderson. I sat through an eternity of
"presentations," long and empty droning speeches, and then an endless slideshow
of plans that should have been far more helpful and interesting than they were. 
Quickly following that was almost an almost certainly staged-and-programmed
reading of statements of support from DPW employees.

Just when you thought it couldnt get any more insulting, the Chief of Police
introduced a female detective to testify in favor of this new police station.
She gets right to it:

Imagine you are raped. Orally, vaginally, and anally.

No kidding. She said that.

She then leads us through all the painful, and humiliating details that she
predicts will happen to us when and after the inevitable multi-orifice violation
occurs. And it seems, according to her, that this experience can be made just a
little more palatable if we, the residents of Provincetown, agree to spend
fourteen million dollars on a new police station.  Really?

JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOURE TALKING TO?
Do you have any idea how many Provincetown residents know this experience and
know that none of your version of it bears any resemblance to reality?

Do you have any idea how deeply you have insulted so many?
Do you really think that this overblown dramatic speech is going to make us want
to vote yes on this warrant article?  Just the opposite. If you want our
support, don't treat us like idiots.

Then it was time for public statements. TEN MINUTES, yet the room looked to be
full. There were a very few independent souls who were lucky enough to be
recognized. Eric Y (frankly, to my surprise) showed more cajones than any of the
selectmen. (Truth: I do not know this Eric fellow personally and don't know if I
will vote for him).

The conduct of our officials during this "public hearing" is way beyond
acceptable. I thought I trusted my town government. But now I know that they
think I'm an idiot. And they probably think that most of you are idiots, too.
Please don't accept that.

[Mr. webmaster, If you do not run this post or if you edit it, you are one of
them.]

11:58 am edt 

A Case For Change

Hey, frankly I'm all for a voice that has youth to it, anger to it.
I've been here and voted here for 15 years and not once has anyone showed an
ounce of irritation or outrage at the silliness that prevails. He might be a bit
of a hard pill to swallow but I'll take a rabble rouser any day over the present
sad spawn of lifeless flounders just waiting for what? More status quo
decisions? Get in there kid. Light their pants on fire, break the tired rules of
engagement and start a shift toward change for the better.
11:54 am edt 

Traffic Hearing Tonight

Finance Committee had the meeting posted at 6PM.  Other members were present and
on time.  Guess which member showed up 10 minutes late?
11:52 am edt 

Re: When is Enough Enough - Fix it or Leave!

"I'm tired of a Town Manager who has failed to address the one thing
that will keep a lid on larger town budgets-town employee benefits."



I'm tired of residents who only try to think of ways to screw town employees.
11:49 am edt 

Re: "How Dare They Use Scare Tactics?"

Has any one reported about the officer who shot his gun off in the locker room?

11:48 am edt 

Bad PR - A Serious Need For Madmen

Sounds like they have egg on their face.....
11:46 am edt 

Re: New Police/DPW Facilities

DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE

We already made one mistake by not building a new police station years ago.
Instead, the town moved it into a funeral home.

Lets not make the same mistake again. Build a proper police station now and a
proper DPW building.

Lets do what is correct for a change!

11:44 am edt 

Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Look Familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofddwtPBPw


I can't believe the way this town operates!!
9:29 pm edt 

Re: Bad PR - A Serious Need For Madmen

Did you ever stop and think they could have been written warnings?  Maybe you
should have checked before you posted!!
9:26 pm edt 

New Police/DPW Facilities

NEW POLICE STATION WILL COST MONEY.

I have toured the current police station in Provincetown and on Monday, March
12th, I toured the new police station in Harwich. It is a gleaming, new building
but there are no flourishes.

While the offices have sheet rock walls, the downstairs is all painted cinder
block.

If you have any doubts about the need for a new police station, please tour the
current one and then go to Harwich and see that it now has a
functional,professional building and it does cost millions to build a basic
police station now.

Provincetown is in dire need of a new police station and a new DPW building.
And, as we who attended the meeting heard, they have exhausted all of the other
options in town.

I know that this will cost money, that is why I wanted to make sure that it was
needed so I did my homework and took the time to find out the truth of the
situation regarding these two building. I'm now totally convinced of the need.
Michael Rogovsky
8:46 pm edt 

To: Michael Rogovsky

Any of you actually read the plan posted on the town website?

Doesn't look too over-the-top to me.  $6 million of it is the police station.

And Michael, I think we all appreciate that something needs to be done, but what
is your limit?  Would $20 million be ok?  $30 million?  $100 million.

The point is not that we need a station, the question is the size and the cost. 
You should try reflecting on that before you post your next paean to the police.
8:43 pm edt 

When is Enough Enough - Fix it or Leave!

I'm tired of this mess on Commercial Street. First the sewer, now
water pipes, then repaving. What the hell.

I'm tired of the huge capital projects this town continues to push, paid for in
large part by my property tax.  First Town Hall, then the Library, now a police
station.

I'm tired of a Town Manager who has failed to address the one thing that will
keep a lid on larger town budgets-town employee benefits.

Figure out this mess Town Manger or we should replace her.
8:41 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

The resident parking permit is for SEASON.. Therefore I think if
someone can PROVE that they LIVE and WORK in town for the season; they should be
entitled to the permit; right now it's tied to having a Provincetown address on
your driver's license.. Many of us who are not year round cannot do this due to
laws where we live in the offseason. I maintain a residence in Provincetown and
have worked in the community for the past 24 summers; but due to my out of state
driver's license I am not eligible for a permit. It is many folks like myself
who have no other option to (ironically) purchase the "non-resident" permit
which I've heard challenged here.
8:37 pm edt 

Where Was the Building Commissioner and His Inspectors

After reading the Police Station Assessment, I am shocked that with
all this documentation of substandard conditions, electrical violations,
plumbing code problems, lack of ADA compliance and on and on, how on earth did
the building inspector allow the station to continue to operate.  Why weren't
these documented issues addressed when they were obviously well known by the
entire inspectional system of this town? It kind of diminishes the credibility
of the complaints. Emergency measures were taken when the town hall problems
came to light, but no one has cared about the pubic using this station .
8:34 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

SO, ERIC HAS YOUR VOTE?

Ladies and gentlemen. Last night at the public forum regarding the DPW building
and tte new police station time was running out. A woman raised her hand but
instead of asking a question, she kept badgering the chair of the selectmen and
the town manager with questions about the website.

The Eric Yingling starts yelling. The chair says that he is out of order. Eric
yells back, "You are out of order". Now people want this boorish guy with his
rude behavior to be on the board of selectmen.

What have we come to that rude, loud, yelling at the chair at the public meeting
is condoned? What a rude, ignorant, obnoxious person Eric Yingling is.
8:32 pm edt 

Public Forum-New Police/DPW Facilities

MONDAY 6PM IN THE AUDITORIUM

public forum Monday 6pm town hall auditorium
8:30 pm edt 

Bad PR - A Serious Need For Madmen

Just returned from the hardware and Stop and Shop.  While on the road
I saw three diffrent cops writing tickets to three diffrent people who had been
pulled over...and they really think the people of this town are going to vote to
spend $14 million on a new police station for them?  So much for public
relations.
8:28 pm edt 

To: Erik Yingling

Erik, we are still waiting to hear why you couldn't be bothered to
attend half the FinCom meetings.  It's not a good track record of someone
supposedly so involved in his community.


8:26 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police/DPW Facilities

YESTERDAY'S PUBLIC FORUM

I sent some *polite* e-mails to folks at town hall regarding last nights
meeting. Yesterday's meeting was just the first hour long public forum.

I've learned today that next Monday, March 19th,  the meeting will be held in
the auditorium. Everyone will get a seat and people will get a chance to ask
their questions.

As a citizen of Provincetown and a tax payer, I went to the meeting to become
informed. I wasn't happy at the behavior of people in the "audience" who yelled
and talked over the chair and the town manager. I hope that you apologize  to
the rest of us who attend on Monday.
8:25 pm edt 

Erik Yingling

If you witnessed Yingling's childish outburst and decided to vote for
him because of it I would ask is that how you want your government run?  There's
no disagreement the meeting was not handled properly, but to attempt to take
over the meeting for one's political purposes was entirely inappropriate.  I
guess if you want a huge ego prone to childish outbursts who will show up for
half the meetings Yingling is your candidate.


8:19 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police/DPW Facilities

VOTE YES FOR NEW POLICE STAION AND DPW BUILDING

When I heard about this article for a new police station, I wanted to learn
more, so I called the Police Chiefs in Harwich, Chatham, Dennis and Sandwich. 
I've also spoken with the Town Managers of Harwich and Sandwich.

These Police chiefs and town managers told me that a police station is not just
any building. A police station has needs and requirements which arent necessary
in other municipal buildings.

There are 4 crucial areas that are required. The first is an adequate
communications center that has a complete backup system.

The second is the detention center that must follow the guidelines mandated by
the Federal bureau of prison standards as well as the department of health.

The third is properly maintaining the chain of evidence. It must be secured and
protected.

Fourth is the records room. There are laws dictated by the attorney general that
determine how long some records must be kept and some records must to be kept
forever.

The police chiefs also told me about morale. One chief would give the men a pep
talk about going out and doing their best for the people in the town, and then
they would have to return to  police headquarters and retrieve flash lights and
wipe the toilet paper off of them and rinse off their boots because sewage had
backed up into the building.

Yet once they knew that they were getting a new building there was an incredible
difference in morale and their morale only grew and when they just walked
through the building while it was under construction; the officers felt valued
by the people in the town in a whole new way.

I urge you to embrace this article before you so we may continue on the road to
providing our officers with the safe and secure environment they require to do
their jobs.

Cast your vote to provide our officers with a safe, adequate, and comfortable
police headquarters as a sign of respect to them and to the work we charge them
to do.
Michael Rogovsky



8:12 pm edt 

How Dare They Use Scare Tactics?

How dare they assume we are so dumb we will fall for this?

The powers that be wants us all to fall in lockstep behind them. There is no
discussion, input, or questions

Yes the FIX is in...for now. But WE can stop it.


Thank you Eric, Keep asking QUESTIONS!!¡
8:10 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police/DPW Facilities

The police station is one of the most important financial issues to
ever come up. Why was the BOS meeting not held in the auditorium. By 5o'clock
there were no seats and people had to stand in the hall and TRY to listen. This
meeting was an embarrasment to the entire town and every one of the selectmen
and town officials know it.
8:08 pm edt 

Eric Yingling Understands What Democracy is About!

We all are supposed to be able to voice our thoughts and opinions in a
Democratic society.

This town has a small group of people who try to run it like a Totalitarian
Regime. And they work hard at destroying anyone who is not on their side.

That is actually why this blog exists, so people can actually voice their
opinions anonymously, without fear of reprisals.

My guess is that at town meeting the police will all be there in uniform w/
guns, circling the voters, and they will instill fear with their presence, and
they will get that vote. Then they will loose it when people have the privacy of
the Democratic, Private Voting Booth!
8:06 pm edt 

BOS Public Meeting

Eric has my vote! At least he stands for something other than himself.
8:03 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station/DPW Facility

"If it were not for Erik Yingling's insistence, BOS Chair Elaine
Anderson would have concluded the meeting without a followup to discuss details."



While Erik likes to credit himself for everything that happens the statement
above is not true.  Prior to Erik's display the decision had already been made
to continue the hearing to next Monday and make it the sole item on the agenda.
8:02 pm edt 

BOS Police/DPW Public Meeting

I went to the meeting last night and I have to say that was by far the weirdest
meeting i have ever attended.

First off, why the BOS Chair scheduled the meeting for just one hour is baffling
when she should have known the town needed time to ask questions.  The
presentation from the architects was good and hearing from the DPW employees was
interesting, but the descriptive dialogue from the police union rep was
disturbing at best.  She could have found a way to get her point across without
going down the path of a rape victim.

The BOS were left in the audience and never had the chance to ask their
questions which I would have liked to hear.

An abutter of the complex tried to take over the Q and A with concerns that the
neighbors have which I think should be addressed separately from the concerns of
the general public.

Then Ynigling (who showed up ten minutes late) threw a hissy fit because he
couldn't get his questions answered when he knew perfectly well that they were
going to stick to the one hour and had planned another forum on the upcoming
Monday.  His political grandstanding  was disrespectful and childish.

All in all a very strange meeting but I do hope everyone attends the meeting on
the 19th @ 6PM in the Auditorium.
7:59 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - No Public Meeting

Dear Ms Andersen and Bos members....
That was not a meeting for ptown citizens last night...
So,please don't try to fool us... Shame on you!
7:54 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police/DPW Facilities

At the Board of Selectmen Police meeting we learned alot about
BOS candidates. Take your pick, but what does Bedard do that McChesney doesn't
do better?. Silent? Ineffective? Bored?

While Yingling listened to 45 minutes virtual dead air, before asking the public
be heard and was stomped on by a visibly shaken BOS chairman.
7:53 pm edt 

New DPW Facility

DPW

The men from the DPW explained why we need the new buildings. We need a brand
new DPW facility as well as a New Police Station. Anyone can see that.
7:50 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station

"Mr. Yingling showed maturity in pushing for a follow-on meeting, so
that citizen's voices could be heard...."

Erik, that sounds like your ego coming through again.
7:48 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station

THE DPW NEIGHBORS

Of course they support Erik! There are houses built next to the dump and next to
DPW. The town shouldn't suffer because they are opposed to town buildings on
this site. The DPW that was there first.


7:46 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station

HOUR PRESENTATION

This was an hour presentation by the architects for the selectmen and the
public. Unfortunately, people thought that the whole meeting was devoted to this
topic of a new police station.

Next Monday will be devoted to this subject. And yes, Eric Yingling was an
arrogant and disrespectful.
7:44 pm edt 

BOS Meeting More Like a Police/DPW Meeting

The  Meeting issue isn't if Anderson or Yingling was ruder than the other. Instead the
issue is the Selectmen didn't make the case to spend 14.6 million  dollars with
no plan to pave the streets!

That police presentation disgusted me, and suggests a complete lack of judgement
on the force.
7:41 pm edt 

Who's Gonna Pay???????

Let's have a police association party, it can be offered as a sponsorship
opportunity and that could pay for the police station, you could have your name
placed on the walls of different rooms and that would pay for it, just like the
library.


7:39 pm edt 

This Was No Public Meeting - What a Shame!

Everybody knows that the centerpiece of  a public hearing is the
public's presentation of their remarks.

This meeting tonight was not that AT ALL.

How can they call it a public hearing???
7:37 pm edt 

It Was Almost Like "Move the Question"

Yeah, if there was anything I got tonight was that the BOS defines
as public only those that are selected ahead of time to speak. Seen it before in
other venues; somehow I thought Elaine was above that.  Too bad!
7:35 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Police Station

To the person who posted "Weirdest public hearing ever":
Well done!  I wasn't able to get to the meeting because of work, but the way in
which it was conducted points to the need for opening up meaningful
communications between townspeople and those in government.  It didn't seem to
me that there was much encouragement or even desire to hear the public.

Their answer always has been, get off the keyboard and get involved, and  guess
what - they are!!!!!
7:33 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Police Station

The public hearing tonight was not handled well.  The police officer
who spoke at length was over the top.  They tried to have it before a BOS
meeting and did not allow enough time.

However, the childish outburst by Erik further demonstrated his lack of maturity
and that he is not ready for the responsibility of being a selectman.  He
embarrassed himself, but my guess is that he is also so full of himself that he
won't recognize it.  I was embarrassed for him.
7:30 pm edt 

You Have My Vote!!

Erik, you have my full support for selectman.  I just made my decision, after
attending the hearing tonight.

The residents of Provincetown are, indeed, owed an apology for the manner in
which town business has been conducted in past recent years.

We're owed an apology for the "little group" that has been predetermining
agendas and outcomes prior to meetings being officially held.

We're owed an apology for this "little group" diminishing and dismissing anyone
who disagrees with them.

We're owed an apology for this "little group" making decisions that disregard
and disrespect the history and long held traditions of Provincetown.

And many of us in Provincetown are tired of this; we simply have had enough.

Yes, Erik, the more I learn about you, the more I'm convinced that someone like
you is sorely needed at town hall.

It's evident that your questioning of the "status quo" has been generating many
posts here by this "little group", in spite of publicly badmouthing the blog.

Yes, Erik, the more I think about it, the more resolute I become in giving you
my vote.

12:48 am edt 

Monday, March 12, 2012

Dear Mr. Webmaster

If Erik Yingling is a grown, why did he not act like it this evening.  I would
never disrespect anyone's family.  But if Yingling wants respect he needs to
earn it, not have a temper tantrum like he did this evening.

People were shocked by his outburst tonight and my guess is he lost more than a
few votes.
11:23 pm edt 

To: Webmaster

Thank you, Mr. Webmaster, for continuing to give us in Provincetown a
vehicle to express our concerns. I'm fully aware of how time consuming
moderating this blog is.  You deserve public recognition for giving us a voice,
including to those in public service who oftentimes hesitate to acknowledge that
they also read your blog and post comments on it. Kudos!


10:50 pm edt 

Re: Bos Meeting - New Police Station

If it were not for Erik Yingling's insistence, BOS Chair Elaine Anderson would have concluded
the meeting without a followup to discuss details.

Mr. Yingling showed maturity in pushing for a follow-on meeting, so that citizen's voices could be heard.

I was greatly impressed with his fortitude and independence, compared to the silence of the
BOS members. They had no voice! It was as though the fix was in.

Concerns have been expressed and a demand should be put forth for their being addressed.

Thank you Erik, you have my vote.
10:46 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Police/DPW Station

You wrote:

"I sent an e-mail to Ms. Elaine Anderson asking her if there would be public
statements. She said that there was only an hour 5-6pm. The ignorance of people
not finding out what is going on is palatable"


I respond:

That makes no sense? It was a public hearing? The architects filled up only 15
minutes, the other 45 minutes was town employees endorsing the building but not
really giving reasons why. Waste of time. Forget the meeting next week.  I'll
just vote no. Enough of this.

Tonight, the police bought the shank painter facility for the next 10 years.

Let's all go back to the Harbormaster good/bad.
10:35 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

"People: get a bike, ride it. and stop complaining...."


When I see that the parking spots reserved for the town hall are also released,
then I'll agree. It'll be fun riding my bike along with Sharon et al!


10:32 pm edt 

Re: DPW's Snow Plowing Whose Call?

And if one person slipped off the road because the town hadn't worked
on the road they'd be calling an attorney ASAP...

I wholeheartedly agree!
10:26 pm edt 

BOS Meeting - New Police Station

Weirdest Public Hearing Ever!!

Here is what happened- Twitter version


1) Start postponed to award DPW award of merit. huh? overflow crowd, limited
time?

2)20 minute interesting presentation from the architects.

3) Statements by town employees across departments. Same old same old

4) Wait no ! Police statement . WOW. Weird tangent about oral, vaginal and anal
rape. Noting do do with police station. freaky icky. It keeps going..
overpowered everything said with big yuk.

5) Statements by citizens pre picked for support of the station.  They didn't
even pretend to pick them from the audience.

6)They didn't even pretend to do anything other than run out the clock with
supporters!!! Paid endorsers?

7) Question (no answers) from neighbors  can't the Town do better by its
abutter?!?

8) Times Up.  Go home suckers.

9) Yingling scolded.

10) Anderson very annoyed no one clapped.

#All in all the weirdest public hearing EVER.
10:25 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Police Station

Did we have a public hearing tonight?

If so, how could anyone exclude the public from a public hearing?
10:20 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting-New Police Station

ERIC YINGLING OWES US ALL AN APOLOGY

Eric Yingling. What an amabassador to his       and         upbringing of        . Did them make him think that he is above everyone else?

Does rude, obnoxious shouting (another example of him shooting from the hip--I
mean shooting from the mouth) with no sense of place or decorum meet your
standards of civilized debate that you endorse his for selectmen?

He should run to Anger management perhaps--but not for selectmen. Who does he
think he is talking down and being insulting to the chair?

What this                             guy think he is doing? He has no self
discipline and thinks he just yell at people? What a rude, obnoxious person.

Webmaster Comment: Erik Yingling is a grown man and a Board serving member of
this community. You have no right to involve,  make inplicit or otherwise insinuate his parents in your arguments against him. Such derogatory presentments if continued will not be posted.  


10:18 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station

OFFICER GAVE A WARNING of vicious crime.

The union rep who spoke made an announcement before she spoke. She did give a
warning that if anyone would be upset by description of a violent crime that
they should consider leaving the room.

Graphically stating why the new Police headquarters is for the well being of the
public. As well as stating the blantant inadequacies of the building.
10:03 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

What criteria does a person NOT residing in Provincetown have to meet
in order to qualify for a Provincetown parking sticker?


9:59 pm edt 

Re: BOS Meeting - New Police Station

ERIC YINGLING OFFENSIVE INSULTING BEHAVIOR

Eric Yingling should be ashamed of his disrespectful behavior. I sent an e-mail
to Ms. Elaine Anderson asking her if there would be public statements. She said
that there was only an hour 5-6pm.

The ignorance of people not finding out what is going on is palatable. Why
people who build houses by the DPW and then complain about should silence
themselves.

The DPW is an on going concern. You took the risk. Then you demand to be heard
instead of politely contacting town hall with your requests.

What arrogance! What disrespect from some people there and what forbearance on
the part of the selectmen.
9:55 pm edt 

The Police Station (no) Public Meeting

I hope the chief of police will apologize for that offensive presentation from 
his detective.

Victims of rape, statistics suggest some of whom were in the room, experienced
was capitalized  on for the sole purpose of selling a police station to the
public.

Why make victims of crime relive a violent crime in an effort to manipluate the
public?

In a town that specializes in inappopriate displays, the Provincetown Police get
the cake for that one..
8:24 pm edt 

Bedard v Yingling

Tonight we saw the difference between David Bedard and Eric Yingling.
When the public was excluded from the public hearing on the police station,
Bedard sat on his hands. Yingling objected, Bedard snoozed.
Provincetown needs someone on the Board of Selectmen who cares




8:22 pm edt 

Police Presence at BOS Meeting

If we could capture all of that weight and turn it into fuel.....


8:21 pm edt 

New Parking Regs!!!

And why are the tourists not directed to the high school parking lot? I'm sure
they are not turning around and leaving if they can't park at the pier! So I'm
70 and you want me to drag oars, life jackets, gas tanks cooler, fishing gear
down from the high school just so I can go out on my boat for the day!? Raise
the hourly rate for the tourists or cut down on all the waste in government!
8:19 pm edt 

Re: DPW's Snow Plowing Whoes call?

"It was 2" of snow! If you can't keep your car on the road in 2" of
snow you should consider relocation."


And if one person slipped off the road because the town hadn't worked on the
road they'd be calling an attorney ASAP and you would be complaining about the
DPW.

Damned if you, damned if you don't.
8:15 pm edt 

Commercial Street...3rd World

MAN WHAT IS UP WITH "MAIN" STREET, ALL WE NEED ARE CHICKENS AND IT
COULD BE THE THIRD WORLD!
8:11 pm edt 

Parking Regs

Funny how the street paving complaints have diminished since the MPL parking reg
changes have been posted.

People: get a bike, ride it. and stop complaining....

We need the $$$ to repave the streets that so many have complained about for so
long.

Just saying.....
8:09 pm edt 

Non Resident Parking Permits

"Better question raised by all this is why do we have a non resident
parking permit in the 1st place?"


I'm taking a guess that it was to help those who work in Provincetown, but don't
live here.  Whether we need to do that or not is the question.  Do we need to
have a non resident parking permit and let those vehicles take up the spaces in
the MPL is another question

8:07 pm edt 

Police Station Meeting TONIGHT @ 5:00pm

Don't forget a public hearing tonight at 5 at Town Hall. This is not time to
vote but we can listen to the architects reveal the plans of the  Rt 6 municipal
compound.

To vote for or against tax payers spending $14,000,000.00 for a new PPD-DPW
station you must go to Town Meeting on April 2nd or April 3rd.


8:04 pm edt 

Parking Subsidy

Why we have non resident parking permits at all. Forget how many FREE hours
they get at the wharf why are we subsidizing their parking in any lot?

Because we have property owners in town who pay significant taxes and they also
should enjoy at least some of the benefits that "residents" get.  After all,
more tax dollars are collected from property owners who are not year round
residents.  All town benefits should not be designated to entitled residents,
many of which rent.  Let us not get in to the subject of taxation without
representation...


8:02 pm edt 

The Direction of Provincetown..

Who,s coming up with  these proposals from our local govt?
I realizei its different committees and individuals,but come on,
What are they thinking ????  It's just crazy and no thought is
Given to  taxpayers.
They honestly want me to pay a additional fee,when I already
Purchase a sticker for the Mpl. They take away resident  parking
We previously had.
10 million for a new police building?
Police on the pier??? But horrible traffic  direction at lopes square,
Where are you the dancing cop???!!!
Charging to dump leafs at the dump.?
We are being nickeled and dimed to death.
And what happened to the worst idea, a skating rink,in the
Winter at the Mpl. ??
7:59 pm edt 

Question for Sharon Lynn

"Why is walking from the high school lot to your job such a big deal.
Many of us don't have a car and get around Provincetown fine all year long.
Park at the High School and it's all free."


Excellent question!

Pose this question to the Town Manager, who parks free all day, along with her
people?

Please let me know her answer to your question.
7:57 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

Selectmen, you'll really help improve the fiscal situation by making
ALL of Ryder Street parking limited to a 3 hour limit, and those with stickers
will have to pay $3 an hour after the 3 hour limit. NO EXCEPTIONS!  Gradually,
the Ryder Lot has list more and more revenue because the spaces are assigned to
the Town Hall staff.  Why?

The administration is no more privileged than the people it serves.

As some already said, it'll be good for us, the Town Manager and her staff to
walk a few more steps, and park at Grace Hall when needing all day parking.
12:00 pm edt 

"So You Would Rather Have That Cost added to your Tax Bill?

No, I just think that it's humorous that the administration gives all kinds of
huge salary increases to the top administrators, and if we stop that practice, 
then we don't have to charge the people who are the largest revenue source for
the town, us the taxpayers, an extra $3 an hour for parking at MPL.

I'm not against salary increases for Town Hall staff, but for God's sake, why
should it be mire than an annual COLA????

It's smarter of shifting how our money should be spent.  If we have a great need
to improve out town's infrastructures, then giving raises to staff that are
higher than the cost of living increase can't be done, as much as we would want
to do so.
11:54 am edt 

Parking Subsidy

I am a taxpayer in Provincetown, and I can't figure out why we have non resident
parking permits at all. Forget how many FREE hours they get at the wharf why are
we subsidizing their parking in any lot?

The BOS continues to give away this town to all comers.
11:51 am edt 

Affordable Housing Applicants

I just talked with a guy from off the cape who is applying for an affordable
housing unit. I wonder how many applicants they will get?
11:48 am edt 

Re: DPW Snow Plowing, Whose Call?

Re: "It's up to the Police to call and when cars start going off the
roadway because it's dangerous"


It was 2" of snow! If you can't keep your car on the road in 2" of snow you
should consider relocation. Also, it's in the police agenda to over spend on
over protection. It justifies their uber budget over presence.
11:43 am edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

Why is walking from the high school lot to your job such a big deal. Many of us
don't have a car and get around Provincetown fine all year long.

Park at the High School and it's all free.

Better question raised by all this is why do we have a non resident parking
permit in the 1st place?
11:41 am edt 

Re: Truro's Contribution to Provincetown!

"...be more specific as to who you feel the entitled Truro residents
are?  Inquiring minds would like to know."



My guess is he/she was referring to the Provincetown Community page on facebook
where many folks who live in Truro are chiming in.
11:37 am edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

Re: I'm a Provincetown taxpayer who is adamantly opposed
to having to pay extra $ for parking at McMillan, and there are plenty of of
people lthat feel as strongly as I do, including business owners.


You don't have to pay extra at MacMillan, you just park at the high school.  I
am a Provincetown taxpayer and a business owner and I park at MacMillan five or
six times a week during the season.  I'm just as adamantly opposed to having my
taxes raised because you feel you are owed a space at MacMillan.  Park at the
high school which is what I will be doing, it cost you nothing extra and the
additional revenue may pay for paving the street.

Walk from the high school lot.  Three months out of the year.  You really can't
do that?
11:35 am edt 

Time For Change!!

Re: Parking

If the leaders of this town want to restrict the numbers of us parking in the
big lot maybe they should stop giving parking stickers to out of town business
owners who falsely get resident permits by using their in town business address
to get the resident sticker. Check put how many permits are issued- it doesnt
add up! Once again we have to look at how poorly this town is managed. We leak
money by not enforcing out regulations and instead of cutting cost due to
inefficiency they seek to tax and spend. Do they have any idea what goes on in
the depts they are paid to manage? No, they are too busy looking for ways to
spend.

Time for a change in selectmen and to move on to another town manager please!
11:33 am edt 

The Town Needs Parking $

Why do we have parking spots for some town employees???
Those spots should be meter pay parking.
Also that parking has a value of over $6,000.00 (at $3 per hour)
Are  town employees paying taxes to the IRS for that business perk as required?
Hmmm...

11:28 am edt 

Provincetown Magazine

Does anyone know the fate of Provincetown Magazine? I was told today
the publication is having severe financial difficulties. Before I prepay my ad
for the season I'd like to know if there's any concern. I know people cut back
on advertising a lot when times are tough. I can imagine it's been a struggle
with the ad funds.

Steve
11:21 am edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parkng Regulations

"I'm a Provincetown taxpayer who is adamantly opposed to having to pay
extra $ for parking at McMillan,. .  ."


So you would rather have that cost added to your tax bill?  We want the streets
paved, it's going to have to be paid for.  As I understand it we're either going
to park each day for  three months out of twelve at the high school and have the
tourist parking revenue pay to pave our streets or the cost will be added to our
tax bill.

I'm surprised you are all so rich that you are OK adding it to your taxes
because I really don't want it added to my tax bill, especially when I can have
tourist parking dollars pay for it.  I saw the $800k on the warrant, if I can
get tourist dollars to pay over half of that I'll take it any day.
11:19 am edt 

Sunday, March 11, 2012

Re: Truro's Contribution to Provincetown!

Truro held Provincetown hostage and demanded they be paid about $70k a
year for some water related lease, then they insisted that they be given three
out of the seven seats on the water and sewer board for The Town of
Provincetown, yes our water and sewer board.

And you want us to be sympathetic to Truro residents now?   Hell no, what goes
around comes around.
9:46 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

Assigned Parking

Does anyone know if the town manager will be giving up her parking spot and walk
from the Grace Hall Lot or will she still have an assigned spot
9:44 pm edt 

Re: It's Not About Parking Revenue It's About Limiting Citizen Participation

"Folks this is what's it's all about: discouraging us to attend the
Selectmen's meetings so they face less criticism and obstacles to their agenda.
It's just a ruse . . ."


Now that is funny.  You really believe what you write or do you write comedy for
a living?  Do you really think they could come up with this?
9:41 pm edt 

Parking Regulations

I am a long time shop keeper and can remember when the inspectors would all come
together in one vehicle to my establishment to conduct inspectional services. 
Does the town not have a town owned vehicle and do they not set up their
insepctions so that they can all go together.  This way the inspectors that have
assigned spots could also park elsewhere to make the ryder street lot open to
visitor parking.
9:39 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

For the record: I'm a Provincetown taxpayer who is adamantly opposed
to having to pay extra $ for parking at McMillan, and there are plenty of of
people lthat feel as strongly as I do, including business owners.
9:38 pm edt 

Re: Truro's Contribution to Provincetown!

To the blogger who wrote in, could you be more specific as to who you feel the
entitled Truro residents are?  Inquiring minds would like to know.
9:36 pm edt 

Re: Who's Call to Plow or Not to Plow?

Snow:

It's up to the Police to call and when cars start going off the roadway because
it's dangerous, common sense will tell you to call.....I guess it's damned if
you do and damned if you don't!
9:33 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

"Since it's the Town Manager the one submitting this
recommendation......"




Correction, it's the Finance Committee recommendation.
9:31 pm edt 

New Parking Regs!

So now they want to charge residents who have already paid for their parking
stickers $3 an hour after 3 hours to park at the parking lot they already paid
for with their taxes?! So now anybody who uses the harbor can't park there!?
What are we supposed to do with boating and fishing gear etc?
9:29 pm edt 

Re: Buying More Land....For What?

"Why do we need a campground? Who is going to maintain it? Ugh."



As I understand it, the town is proposing to buy the development rights to the
land that the campground sits on.  The current owners of the campground would
continue to own & operate the campground.  But they would be precluded from ever
selling the land to a developer to be sub-divided and built on.

This concept has worked in other places, but the hard part is determining the
fair value of future rights in current dollars and it requires a sharp
negotiator to get the best deal for taxpayers.  And here the town is suggesting
too much taxpayer money (sound familiar?) to accomplish a generally good thing.
9:26 pm edt 

Re: Parking Administrator -Your Talking to the Wrong Person!

". . . while YOUR position is extended from seasonal to year round, AND
are given a bonus to boot!. . ."


U R responding to the Parking Admin, he didn't write the post, I did.  And I'd
still like to hear when the Parking Admin. got the bonus you keep talking about. 
Are U making it up?  If not, please tell us when he got a bonus.

9:18 pm edt 

Re: Proposed Changes to Parking Regulations

When and where is the parking hearing that's presenting the new $3 an
hour parking rates for Provincetown taxpayers?

We need to go to this meeting!

What's been presented by Sharon is ridiculous!!!!

9:10 pm edt 

Re: Proposed Changes to Parking Regulations

Excellent idea - about including Ryder street parking spaces that are
now reserved for Town Hall people. How come this area wasn't included? This is
the primo spot that tourists always look for first, even before McMillan.

I can't believe it wasn't included in the suggestions from Town Hall!  Open it
to everybody, just like McMillan, and sticker and Sharon and her staff can pay
$3 after the 3 hours.  I really think it will bring us some nice extra dough,
which is our goal.

9:07 pm edt 

Verno, We Want You to Stay!

We don't want a replacement. We want you. You deserve our support and
appreciation. We want you here and not thrown out.

You deserve our support. You have mine.
9:05 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station

"You don't Haave to Be Against the Police to Be Against the new
High-Priced Police Station"


That's my point. they do an ok job here but that doesn't mean that the town has
to go into debt to give them a new 14 million set up.

Fix up what you have. sorry, but we've already used up our monies on town hall
renovations and the town library and the town sewer system. Enough already.
9:03 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

"Walk a little further,  it may bring in $ to do the streets without
raising my RE tax works for me. . ."



I'm guessing many of those complaining about being asked to walk from the high
school parking lot are not property owners in town, those who will see their
property taxes continue to rise if we don't find other revenues to pay for
projects.
9:01 pm edt 

It's Not About Parking Revenue It's About Limiting Citizen Participation

Are people with Town stickers and serve on boards going to have to pay
this surcharge too? What about people who are going before the Board of
Selectmen and/or want to attend their meetings which we all know often start at
5pm and go on well past 8.

I am not going to park in the third section of Grace Hall particulary in bad
weather and walk all the way over to Town Hall to attend meetings. Folks this is
what's it's all about: discouraging us to attend the Selectmen's meetings so
they face less criticism and obstacles to their agenda. It's just a ruse to
unempower us and limit our participation in Town government.
8:58 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station

I have no access to the so called 'inside information', but from what
I've heard the selectmen are seeing the plans for the first time.

So to date we have the architect asking the PD and DPW what they want in a new
building.  And to no surprise they would want it all, can't blame them for that. 
Now the BOS need to step into the process and determine what are needs and what
are wants.  They need to say we can't afford a 17,000 sq ft bldg, you need to
scale it back to say 12,000 sq ft.  OR we are not going do a highway garage now,
what will a police station only cost?

Point is that it's early in the process and the BOS have not even weighed in on
it.  They may decide on Monday that they don't have enough time to nail it down
and postpone it to a fall town meeting.  Let the process work itself out and if
it's brought forward in April and you aren't ready to move forward you can vote
no.
8:55 pm edt 

Municipal Parking Lot Permits

When Truro charged Provincetown something like 6 million for the Union Fields
water wells no one complained at Truro Town Meeting!! Let's be clear, Ptown
residents pay something like 2 times the water bill we would have if Truro had
been a good neighbor.

It now turns out we are subsidizing non resident parking permits to the tune of
$500,000 per year. Time for that end.

They call if Karma in California. Truro gets its due finally.
8:52 pm edt 

Re: Truro's Contribution to Provincetown??

Tuesday night it will be interesting to see if the BOS cave to the
residents of Truro who somehow believe it's outrageous that they should be asked
to walk a couple of blocks to park their car using a permit that allows them to
park in town at a 90% discount.  Does the BOS stand up for the taxpayers of
Provincetown or do they give in to entitled Truro residents?

I mean seriously walking couple of blocks when it could generate hundreds of
thousands of dollars to pay to pave the streets is an unreasonable request?
8:47 pm edt 

Re: New Police Station

Agree with a previous poster on the police station. Let's all consider
what we can afford; not what we desire. And good luck at Home Depot with your
kitchen renovation.
3:25 pm edt 

Who's Call to Plow or Not to Plow?

How much would the town have saved NOT plowing and salting the roads
after yesterday's 2" blizzard?
3:17 pm edt 

Re: Parking Administrator

The parking administrator needs to realize that we are NOT lost
revenue. We are the revenue.
3:15 pm edt 

Re: Parking Administrator

"Your one man (or woman) mission to attack the parking administrator continues,
huh?"


But is it true or not, that you're recommending to cut the jobs of people who
work fir you  while YOUR position is extended from seasonal to year round, AND
are given a bonus to boot!

3:14 pm edt 

Parking Regulation Changes v Sharon Lynn's Leadership

The parking changes should include Ryder Street, both sides; 3 hour
limits; aftr 3 hours $3 per hour.

Since it's the Town Manager the one submitting this recommendation, it would
behoove her and the rest of the Town Hall staff that has assigned parking spots
in this area to park with the rest of us, at the Grace Hall lot.

As someone already said, a little walking will not hurt anyone.

Now show us some leadership, Sharon!!!
3:12 pm edt 

Re: Truro's Contribution to Provincetown??

"Where is the new water treatment facility going to be built?"

Answer:

On land OWNED by the Town of Provincetown.

"Through which town do ALL the cars that travel to Provincetown pass through,
giving nothing to the town of Truro?"


Answer:

I believe they travel on state owned rte 6, it has nothing to do with Truro

"Where do a good portion of the employees working for the town of Provincetown
come from?"

Answer:

I look at it differently.  Where would Truo folks be if Provinceton didn't
provide them jobs?


Guess it depends on how you look at it when you are deciding who is ignorant.  I
agree with prior writer, Truro doesn't subsidize anything for Provinceton and
Truro residents shouldn't expect a subsidy from Provincetown.
2:58 pm edt 

Buying More Land....For What?

I really wish the town would stop
buying up property and start selling the un-used property it has.  Why do we
need a campground? Who is going to maintain it? Ugh.
12:17 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

$500,000 per year:

If you check out all the whining  on Facebook about the MPL  pier parkig fees,
it is almost entirely from Truro residents. Will the parking hearing require
resident  identification?
12:15 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

The new parking fee proposal is just another way to tax us.
Come on Selectmen be creative in looking for new sources of revenues. Haven't
you gouged us enough in recent years?


12:14 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

"Why should we subsidize parking fees for people who don't live here?  What
subsidy does Truro give to Provinceton residents?  I don't get it."



Really?? Are you that ignorant? Where does the water for all of Provincetown
come from? Where is the new water treatment facility going to be built? Through
which town do ALL the cars that travel to Provincetown pass through, giving
nothing to the town of Truro? Where do a good portion of the employees working
for the town of Provincetown come from? Imagine what Provincetown would be like
without water, an access road (maintained by others) and all employees coming
from the ranks of the citizens of Provincetown only.

No, Truro doesn't contribute anything to Provincetown. No, not at all.
12:12 pm edt 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulation

"This is just mean spirited and lacks any sign of caring for those of
us who are footing the bill for all the capital improvements in town.(like the
extra two mil. we gave the library at the last town meeting)
PETTY!"



Funny, I read the same thing and came to a completely different conclusion.  I
thought it was a great solution.  Walk a little further,  it may bring in $ to
do the streets without raising my RE tax works for me.
12:10 pm edt 

Re: Parking Administrator

". . .how come the parking administrator's position  was increased to a
year round one. . ."



Your one man (or woman) mission to attack the parking administrator continues,
huh?
12:08 pm edt 

Proposed Parking Regulations

Town employees will not be parking at MPL from what I heard.  They
will park at Grace Hall as well unless they would like pay $3 hr after 3 hrs
like everyone else.
12:06 pm edt 

Saturday, March 10, 2012

Parking Regulations-Mixed Messages

Getting mixed messages from the current town administration.

It is proposing that those with parking stickers pay $3/hour at MPL, once
they've been parked in such lot for 3 hours.

According to the parking administrator, those of us with stickers who park at
the MPL in season are "loss revenue". I imagine that it also includes those who
work at Town Hall.

If it's so vital to find new sources of revenue, how come the parking
administrator's position  was increased to a year round one, and even given a
bonus. Isn't that inconsistent? Isn't it "loss of revenue" as well?


7:05 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Redoing my kitchen. Wanted made to order crafted cabinets, none of
that Home Depot stuff for me!   And then I got an estimate.  Guess what. Driving
tomorrow to Home Depot to look at cabinets.

Point being, as a voter, I don't want to pay for "wants" in a police station;
I'm wiling to consider "needs", and it ain't gonna be at a price tag of 7
million dollars.
7:02 pm est 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

".  .  . and now they have to conceivably be "taxed" upwards of twenty
dollars for
parking their car in the big parking lot? I think this is cruel and
unfair."


So why wouldn't you park by the high school at no extra cost to you?  Why would
you think the residents of the town of Provincetown owe you a parking space in
the primo lot in town?

If you aren't a resident in town I think you pay around $250 for a permit.  So
if you park at MPL five days a week for the daily rate you would pay $150 a
week.  If you are parking there in June, July, August and September that would
be around 16 weeks.  16 weeks at $150/week would come to $2,400.  You are
complaining because the town of Provincetown is giving you an almost 90%
discount on the cost of parking and all they are asking is that you park at the
high school instead of the MPL?  And you think it's cruel and unfair?

I can't even think of the words to respond.  The town's residents watch their
taxes go up and up and you think they owe you.  Really?
7:01 pm est 

Re: New Policel Station

Re:  "Re-read original post carefully. Given it's nuggets of insider
only information, it is clear that is just what Town Hall thinks of us all. . ."



I don't have any inside info about what town hall thinks of us, but I always try
to see what the 'other side' is thinking.  I'm sure it's not easy at TH.  People
want streets paved, but don't want their taxes increased.  Apparently we need a
new police station, but people think it should cost what it probably cost in
1990 and again they don't want their taxes increased.
6:57 pm est 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

If you are from Truro and worried about Ptown parking fees, . . .

Why should we subsidize parking fees for people who don't live here?  What
subsidy does Truro give to Provinceton residents?  I don't get it.
6:52 pm est 

Parking Revenue Opportunities

Well I just read that the mpl lot wants to charge 3.00 per hour after
3 hours FOR PERMIT HOLDERS, If thats the case what happens to town employees
that park in that lot and who work in town hall, are they excused? Maybe the
Ryder street lot should be open to the public instead of the town hall
employees, that lot used to be a a paid parking lot it had meters and I believe
that lot made money, I know now its a pay station lot but cannot be used for
public parking until 6:oo pm after town hall closes,  SO DONT U THINK THAT TOWN
IS LOSING MONEY FOR ALL THOSE HOURS, THAT THE TOWN HALL EMPLOYEES PARK ALL DAY
FOR FREE, WAKE UP TOWN WE PAY WE PAY AND WE PAY, we lose we lose we lose do the
math $4.50 for 3 hours, the spaces are taken up for 10 hours we lose $16.50 per
day per space that is reserved for town hall employees, 4 and a half days per
week. THAT is 165.00 per day that we are losing for parking times 4 and half
days =$741.00 a week we are losing in parking. WAKE!
  UP THATS MONEY THAT WE COULD USE.
6:51 pm est 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Regulations

Last year the Parking Commission took away most residential parking
spaces on Alden street leaving us with only 3 spaces. Now they want to limit us
to 3 hrs. per day to park free on the pier. During the height of summer 3 hrs.
is not enough time to eat at a busy restaurant and then sit for a while in front
of town hall. Don't we deserve just a little more consideration aside from the
need to rake in more money.This is just mean spirited and lacks any sign of
caring for those of us who are footing the bill for all the capital improvements
in town.(like the extra two mil. we gave the library at the last town meeting)
PETTY!

Just Sayin
6:46 pm est 

"Year-Round Functioning Community"



a: all of the above

b: some of the above

c: one foot in reality with all the weight on the other foot.
6:39 pm est 

Banner

Twice the cost for Half the News

Seems like a going proposition. Seems more like Mitt Romney's approach to the
world instead of the Banner's. If the Banner was giving us in depth analysis and
undertanding but it is giving us less and less. Now twice the price for half of
what we once read.

It seems like fifty cents worth of news. But, alas, such is life in the world of
media!
6:37 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Absurd, Ridiculous and Frivolous!!

$14 million for the police station and the DPW?  Insane. The DPW is what it is
and should stay as it is. The police station with so few of us in town--maybe
less than 400 now--simply do not need an edifice with all the bells and
whistles. Be realistic Jeff and Sharon. This monument to your police skills and
leadership--I should put that in quotes--is foollish and burdens this town with
bills it now can't afford. Plus, we already have the Pilgrim Monument!

Stop everything. Put a hold on this megalomania project. This is not a major
city in Massachusetts, it is not Boston, not Hyannis, not Brockton. Neither it
is New York City. How utterly unrealistic and full of fantasy for a need that is
in the minds of two people but not in ours.

This is almost beyond believable. How could anyone realistically put this
forward? Are we just fools? Are we poor little lost sheep and they standing
there with long knives ready for the slaughter?

I don't raise this questions easily but I am astounded at the arrogance and
ridiculousness of such a proposition and project.

It is just unbelievable.
6:36 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"I bet moving the Police to one of the school buildings saves
$5,000,000 . . ."



Keep in mind when the school construction took place we received special
financing/grants from the state.  Don't know all the specifics, but if we no
longer use the building a a school or we sell the building we have to pay the
money back.  It's one of the reasons we kept the pre schoolers at VMES when the
rest moved over to high school. I believe it's in the millions so it is
significant.  I think this was covered in one of the school committee meetings,
but I'm not going to go back to look for it.
6:33 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"The plans have been available since the 2nd week in February but on
hold and not available to the public until next Monday."


What is your factual basis for your statement that the plans were available the
2nd week of February?  You are saying the architects who were awarded the
contract on January 11th finished all of this in less than 30 days?  Unless you
have proof of this I'm inclined to believe you are making it up to incite your
fellow citizens.
6:30 pm est 

New Police Station

We must build our police officers a new police station. We started this process
with a vote at town meeting. We will learn the facts of what is needed for the
next step in this project at the selectmen's meeting on Monday.

The current building is substandard and inadequate. We must go forward with this
new building--it is our civic duty.
6:28 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

From Banner: PROVINCETOWN

"The board of selectmen will be holding a public hearing at 5 p.m. Monday, March
12, in Town Hall to discuss the combined police station-DPW facility proposed
for the DPW garage site on Race Point Road." [more online if you look for it]

So, there it is no secret cabal, your chance to have input. Please go to meeting
and give your feedback and then we can move on to another subject on here. If
you don't go to meeting even more important that you stop ranting about it here
because you will prove you don't really care you just want to see yourself in
print online.

6:25 pm est 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Permit Regulations

So the Parking guy, who took care very good of himself by going from a
seasonal position a to year round one, then got a bonus, proposes for the
taxpayers who pay for his rise and bonus, to not park at McMillan after 3 hours,
unless they pay $3/hour?????

He called us residents "loss revenue".  Not too swift, buddy!
How about we change his position back to seasonal. That would give us some quick
revenue.

Don't you love it when they get THEIR increases. but propose to cut everyone
else around them other than themselves?

6:22 pm est 

Re: Newly Proposed Parking Permit Regulations

Re: "If anyone thinks this is a good idea then they might consider
this: what about people who drive into town to work from say north Truro or even
the far east or west end?  They're contributing to the town, sometimes not
making much money on slow days, and now they have to conceivably be "taxed"
upwards of twenty dollars for parking their car in the big parking lot? I think
this is cruel and unfair."


About two weeks ago I sent an e-mail to the Finance Director and received the
following reply:


"I appreciate your questions about the changes to permit parking in town.  The
only change with this proposal is that the town is requesting residents and
non-residents who want longer term parking (more than 3 hours a day) to park in
the Grace Hall parking lot, approximately two blocks from the MPL.  There are no
additional fees/costs for residents and non-residents who park at the Grace Hall
lot.

During the busy summer months 2/3 of the cars parking in the MPL are at no
charge because they have permits.  The town waived nearly $500,000 in parking
revenue for MPL permit parking.  We have heard residents say they want their
streets paved and we know there is a proposal for a new police station/highway
garage coming forward.  The question becomes one of how do we pay for these
projects without it all landing on our resident's  tax bill.

The MPL is the prime parking location in town and it wasn't intended for long
term parking, the Grace Hall lot is considered the long term parking lot.  If we
are able to generate more tourist revenue from parking we hope it will lessen
the impact of the cost of capital improvement projects on the our residents.  It
will also bring more tourists immediately into the downtown area and into
businesses which can only be a positive for the business community.

We fully realize that the town belongs to its residents and not to tourists. 
But, many of our residents are struggling to make ends meet and many are on
fixed incomes.  We thought this option could be a possible solution to the
question of how do we pay for these projects without it all landing on our
resident's tax bill.

Again, I appreciate your questions about the permit changes, if you have any
other questions please don't hesitate to contact me.

Dan Hoort
Director of Municipal Finance"

End of his e-mail

My comments:
How could this possibly be cruel and unfair?  If we can bring in a lot more
parking revenue from tourists and it will help pave our streets I'm all for it.
6:17 pm est 

New Police Station

PRIVATE CITIZEN AND TAXPAYER

I'm a taxpayer in this town and not in the public domain in any way. I have no
connection with the police department except that my neighbors have been police
men or the family members of my neighbors have been or are police officers.

It is reprehensibly that this debate of needing or not needing a new police
station is going on! OF course it is necessary to build a new one for our
officers.

We can't relegate them to some substandard work place that is occupied 24-7. It
is our civic duty.

With interest rates so low etc. now is the time--it is past due. Read the
report. backed up sewage--how would you like to work in a place like that? Put
yourself in their shoes for a change.
6:03 pm est 

Re: Winter Meeting & New Police Station

Selected sentences:

"What you people dont understand about your own self-governance is shocking and
explains why nothing in this town can ever get done, and what does is never done
right."

"Secondly, in terms of the police station and cost.  This community will never be
able to have a rational debate."


"The Police Station Assessment was done in 2009 and only addressed the existing
building and what the department needs were.  In 2012, the estimated building
costs is still $7 million, the $14 million figure includes all the development, including
site specific costs for the property, highway garage, and DPW offices.is now based on
an actual floor plan $138k, there is nothing misleading or extravagant about that."



The above quotes from a rant about the citizens of Provincetown is important for
two reasons:

1) It includes non public information. When the details come out on Monday, I
expect the numbers she quotes, but not the conclusions will be born out. This is
one in a series of leaks from Town Hall on this blog.

2) Re-read original post carefully. Given it's nuggets of insider only
information, it is clear that is just what Town Hall thinks of us all. Pure
contempt for the voters and frustration with the democratic process.




10:50 am est 

New Police Station

"Town meeting authorized the town to move forward with a conceptual design for a
combined highway/police facility five months ago. "


Actually, it was approved 11 1/2 months ago in Annual Town Meeting April 2011.
The Town Manager &/or selectmen postponed action until later in the fall.

The plans have been available since the 2nd week in February but on hold and not
available to the public until next Monday.

The costs are extravagant. Once released to the public, I expect the building
design will also be understood to be extravagant.


10:44 am est 

Re: Banner

"Did you know that the Banner had been the same price since 2007?"


When they had content.
10:41 am est 

Newly Proposed Parking Permit Regulations

"If anyone thinks this is a good idea then they might consider this: what about
people who drive into town to work from say north Truro...."


If you are from Truro and worried about Ptown parking fees, please see the water
payments Truro shoved down Ptown's #$@!^#. I think most will agree, Truro still
gets the better deal.
10:37 am est 

Winter Meetings & New Police Station

What you people dont understand about your own self-governance is
shocking and explains why nothing in this town can ever get done, and what does
is never done right.

First of all, this is a year-round functioning community.  Look at selectmen
minutes online, local government is busiest in the winter months, not because
they dont want people to attend their meetings, but because a town meeting form
of government requires a budget to be approved in April prior to the fiscal
year. 

To suggest that meetings not occur in winter is just ignorant.  When
meetings occur in summer, all the business owners complain that they are too
busy to attend.  There is no satisfying people in this community.

Secondly, in terms of the police station and cost.  This community will never be
able to have a rational debate about this issue because everyones opinion is
formed long before any facts are even available.

The Police Station Assessment was done in 2009 and only addressed the existing
building and what the department needs were.  The $7 million figure was an
estimate based primarily on the sf requirements x the average cost per sq foot
of comparable facilities in the area.  It was not site specific, it was not even
design specific; it never laid out a floor plan, dealt with site or parking
requirements, and it never identified potential land acquisition cost. 

In 2012, the estimated building costs is still $7 million, the $14 million figure
includes all the development, including site specific costs for the property,
highway garage, and DPW offices.  In 2009 furnishing was estimated at $129 k, it
is now based on an actual floor plan $138k, there is nothing misleading or
extravagant about that.  If youre going to make sweeping inaccurate statements,
at least make an apples to apples comparison.

Town meeting authorized the town to move forward with a conceptual design for a
combined highway/police facility five months ago.  We hired an architectural
firm from MA who specializes in this type of development just two months ago. 
Let them make their presentation before you poke holes in something you know
nothing about.

Provincetown has a history of doing things half-ass and it always costs us more
in the long run.  I predict it will be no different this time, and lets see who
should be blame?


9:56 am est 

New Police Station

14 million dollar police station! Where are we living? So much for a
small town on Cape Cod!

Just Sayin
9:48 am est 

Newly Proposed Parking Permit Regulations

"A proposal from town officials asks to limit people with town-issued
resident and non-resident parking permits to use the MPL for no more than three
hours per day from Memorial Day weekend to Labor Day. Anyone exceeding the three
hours would be charged at the prevailing rate of $3 per hour."


If anyone thinks this is a good idea then they might consider this: what about
people who drive into town to work from say north Truro or even the far east or
west end?  They're contributing to the town, sometimes not making much money on
slow days, and now they have to conceivably be "taxed" upwards of twenty dollars
for parking their car in the big parking lot? I think this is cruel and unfair.


9:47 am est 

Banner

"Did you know that the Banner had been the same price since 2007?  It's about
time they raised the price."



The Consumer Price Index (CPI) from the beginning of 2007 to now = 11.4%.  Yet
the Banner doubled its price, a 100% increase.

So they raised their price 9 times inflation.  You can try to put lipstick on
that pig, but it's still a pig.
9:44 am est 

New Police Station

Let's get something straight. The patrol officers should be in their cruisers,
patrolling. That's  what we pay for. The detectives should be in "the field"
doing what they are well paid to do.

No one should be in the station except the chief... and the dispatchers.

The drama behind the claim of substandard working conditions and lack of
respect. Really?
9:41 am est 

Re: Tourism Director

Cut the Tourism Director, keep Jackie the admin and the intern kid.
Would save some $$$ on the town budget. The TD isn't really into the job any
more and doesn't spend time here.
9:39 am est 

Re: Winter Meetings

"Well, if those meetings involve the approving of a major new
development in town and are heard during the Winter when alot of the abutters
are not in town .  ."


Sorry, if it means that much to you then get your rear back in town and attend
the meeting.

Oh, but I can't possibly be there, I'll be in Florida for two months.  Tell them
to put everything on hold until I come back to town.

Give me a break, life doesn't revolve around you
9:37 am est 

Re: Provincetown Library Doors

"Speaking of LIBRARIAN.....once again the doors were left
unlocked....."


Is it possible that a staff member left the door unlocked or does the librarian
lock the door seven days a week, fifty-two weeks a year?
11:14 pm est 

Friday, March 9, 2012

Re: Winter Meetings

Re: "Curious, do you feel no meetings should be held during the winter? 
Doesn't seem like a good idea to me."


Well, if those meetings involve the approving of a major new development in town
and are heard during the Winter when alot of the abutters are not in town to
physically be there to voice their objections  - then YES.
9:54 pm est 

Provincetown Library Doors

Speaking of LIBRARIAN.....once again the doors were left
unlocked.....costly for the town to have someone called up to come in and lock
up at the wee hours of the night...maybe she should be called to come back and
lock up for free since she is salary...incompetant thats all i have to
say,,Sharon pay attention will you
9:39 pm est 

Fact Checker Where Are You?!

". . . and the design architects are proposing a police station 6 times
the size of the current one."


Holy cow is your math bad.  So you're saying the current police station is less
than 3,000 sq ft.  CNN, we need a fact checker.
9:35 pm est 

New Police Station Working Group

OK, enough about the work group being secret or not. The bigger  
picture must be who was on that sub committee...

The town manager, police chief, and dpw director.
That's right, Sharon, Jeff, and David Guertin. The three top
salaried employee's of Us, the taxpayer.
Something is very, very wrong with this entire Need to build
a new Monument to hang their hats on.
There is no reason that VMES can't be used, but it is not good enough for jeff.
Don't let them get away with it, go to town meeting, ask questions.


9:32 pm est 

Parking Administrator

WHO is the Parking Administrator? Someone that got a job, and I dont
remember seeing a posting or an add for applicants, and who doesn't live in
Provincetown. He resides in Truro. I have never seen a parking permit on his
vehicle, just a sign from town hall and he seems to park anywhere he wants. If
this is his attempt to increase income for the town (from those of us who live
here) then he should start by getting rid of the free stickers and make sure
that everyone pays up!

Someone who pays
9:30 pm est 

Affordable Housing

Qualifying for Affordable Housing should stipulate a volunteer
requirement.

I see this as an easy set up. People apply, don't report their income, collect
unemployment and expect to live in the affordable space WHILE others foot the
bill. I live, work and pay taxes in this town. I wasnt born with a silver spoon.
I worked hard and continue to work throughout the year. If I am not working, I
find a volunteer opportunity. A condition for theses units should have some
give-back requirement, especially in the winter months. I dont expect a handout. 
If people are living in these units and jetting off to sunny Florida, there
better be a way of governing fraudulent tenants. The likelihood of that is slim
to none. I heard of a couple owning two affordable units. In the summer one
partner moves into the other unit and rents the the second out. Thats just
wrong!
9:29 pm est 

New Police Station Figures

With the cost of the furniture and god knows what else, the price tage for the
new station went from 7 to 10 million to 14 million now. Trust me, he's not
going to stop there. A couple of years ago, he was hot after getting a Police
Horse, now I hear he's trying to get K-9 dog. I also heard a few months ago he
put on a third detective. No wonder he wants to get rid of the custodian, how
else is he going to pay for all these things. Add this all to putting cops on
the pier and it all makes sense to me now. Unfortunately the custodian is the
one who's going to be sacrificed so he can continue this insane spending spree
he's on. Selectmen wake up, you need to start asking questions. If we the people
are hearing this on the street, you guys must be hearing it too.
9:26 pm est 

Keep Vernon Period

He has been loyal, dedicated and good. let a good man stay in his position. this
is sad, if not ridiculous, to push him out.

Has Sharon no heart? No concern for those who  have served the Board of
Selectmen for so many years?


9:24 pm est 

Re: Ryan Landry

Yes, Historical Commission is Not a Regulatory board

It is simply advisory. It has no legal power. That belongs to the Historic
District commission.

names sound too similar. there is a huge difference between these tow boards.
And yes, Ryan Landry has been appointed to the Histsoric District board. a good
selection by our non-profits.
9:22 pm est 

Re: Tourism Director

The Tourism Director position should just be eliminated. You have an
intern doing all the work and an admin assistant. Why not just eliminate his
salary and put it towards the tax roll. It's not like he makes a difference at
this point. His heart is clearly not here in Provincetown.
9:20 pm est 

Monte Carlo Night!

Saturday March 10,  7pm-11:00pm At Crown and Anchor!!!

Many games and "Texas Hold-em"

Sponsored by Provincetown  Lions Club

Door prizes and more.

THanks to Rick and the Crew at the Crown and Anchor!!!

9:19 pm est 

New Police Station

I am going to be frank with you. The proposed new police station is
going to be a boondoggle unless you speak up.

The new estimated cost is $14,000,000. That is not a typo. the preliminary
estimated cost is 14 million dollars and the design architects are proposing a
police station 6 times the size of the current one.

It is crucial that your elected officials here from you before it goes to a vote
at town meeting.

BOS Chair:
eanderson@provincetown-ma.gov

There is a public hearing on Monday at 5pm regarding the police station.

Can you attend?
9:17 pm est 

New Police Station

Well, no one can claim that they are ignorant of the facts regarding the state
of the new police station now.

After all of these decades, every inch of life has been squeezed out of the
building. We can't let people work in such sub-standard conditions.

It is shameful to do so.
9:15 pm est 

Banner

Did you know that the Banner had been the same price since 2007?  It's about
time they raised the price. Did you also know that the Banner supports many
local projects and charities?  AND those that write letters and articles
actually give their names and they print corrections if they are wrong.
9:14 pm est 

Attendance at Meetings

Re: "and everyone getting all rived up about going to a
selectmen's meeting..And there were only two of us citizens there to speak.
We looked at each other and the other and the other person said,"I knew that
you'd be here--but where is everyone else?"

Everyone else you speak of - 50% of this tax paying town has NO VOTE and can't
be there.
9:12 pm est 

Re: Tourism Director

Since the work in the tourism office is done off season for the
season, the tourism director SHOULD be here to do it. Seems like Radu and Jackie
are doing that work and the director can be replaced by Radu. I think it's a bad
example for the tourism director to abandon the town he is supposed to be
promoting. What kind of message does this send? I guess he's one of "Sharon's
boys"
9:09 pm est 

Re: BOS Secretary

I'm not talking about Vernon. I like him too. But I'm talking about
the work not the person. I don't know who you are to know so much about the BOS
Secretaries job not being full-time but you are sadly mistaken. You need a
reality check.
9:08 pm est 

Winter Meetings

Meetings that are held in the dead of winter when no one is around ?


Curious, do you feel no meetings should be held during the winter?  Doesn't seem
like a good idea to me.
9:06 pm est 

Food For Thought

Well did you every think that the people who write on here doesnt show
up for the meetings is because they are truro voters.?
9:04 pm est 

Changes on Commercial Street

More real estate offices in town? Rober Paul moving east, Kinlin Grover, too,
with lots of new agents from Truro to a big new space on Commercial. Do we
really need another bigger chain in Provincetown? Haven't these people learned
their lessaon about greed and high prices? Lots of changes but are they for the
better after all?
9:03 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

If it walks like a duck......

"Isn't there a difference between something that's secret and something you
don't know about?"


If a public body in Massachusetts meets it is subject to the Open Meeting Law.
If the body is uniquely constructed to avoid the public meeting law, it is
because the relevant authority wants its deliberations secret or at least off
the public record. Occasionally that is valid, mostly it is not.   The practice 
relies on no one filing a complaint with the Attorney General.

The site selection committee appears to have complied with none of the open
meeting laws. Even if not required to do so, it could have complied  yet the
Selectmen's Committee did not. It's membership is secret. It's process secret.
It's reasoning and findings secret. Portions of it's work leaked here from time
to time but still secret.

Massachusetts State Law protects the tax payers from the likes of the
Selectmen's Police Station Committee.
9:02 pm est 

Ryan Landry

Anxious to see the playback of the first meeting he attends!
9:00 pm est 

Re: Secretary to BOS

Vernon's position will be essentially eliminated if the new budget is passed as
is.  It is hidden in the language.  It's a sly way of doing things and it will
be a real damn shame to let someone who is so much a part of the community and
such a good ambassador for the town to be let go because of politics, petty
gripes or whatever.

And god knows, at his (our) age it will be difficult to find something that will
pay the same and let him retire with dignity and grace.  Thats the thanks you
get here, don't let the door kick you in the ass when you leave!!

There is still time to vote this down and give the man the dignity he deserves.

Step up to the plate.  Too bad he doesn't have a degree in Library Sciences, we
need a kind, sweet head librarian!  Anyone know one??????????????
8:59 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Isn't there a difference between something that's secret and something
you don't know about?

Obviously.  If you don't know about it because of your own actions, that is,
maybe you didn't pay attention to public notices concerning it or you were just
asleep when it was publicly announced, it is not secret. If you don't know about
it because it wasn't advertised or properly noticed, as matters concerning the
town should be, and you were awake, that's different.
8:57 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

LEFT BEHIND

By not investigating any facts before spouting off, we have people on here
talking about the school as a police station and stating that we should take a
second look; meanwhile, for years an in depth study and a group of citizens have
been serious pursing sites etc. and have come up with a proposal.

IT is just your own ignorance if you aren't aware of what is going on. Do you
realize how foolish you look?

Serious and concentrated effort has gone into the planning for a site for
creating a new police headquarters and you have been asleep through the whole
process.

I wonder how many people wake up and suddenly realize that the world has passed
them by. They are middled age, they look around and say what have I
accomplished?

Are you Spending hours spouting off here each day instead of seriously
researching the issue?


8:55 pm est 

Banner Cost $2.00

Anybody notice that the Banner doubled its price? Now there's a value.
11:32 pm est 

Thursday, March 8, 2012

New Police Station Working Committee

Isn't there a difference between something that's secret and something
you don't know about?  If a committee held a meeting today and you didn't know
they were meeting it wouldn't be a secret would it?

I didn't know there was a workgroup that looked at sites for the police station. 
It doesn't make this a secret workgroup it only means I didn't know about it.
6:01 pm est 

Re: BOS Secretary

Re: "Who ever said on this site that the BOS Secretary's job is only
part-time .. doesn't know what they are talking about."


I like Vernon as much as everyone else.  But I'm talking about the position, not
the person.  It's not full time.  And almost everyone knows it.
5:59 pm est 

Re: Tourism Director

"Have you forgotten the TD offered to resign in the fall because he
wanted to be in Palm Springs in the winter where he has bought a second home."


Agree, the Tourism Director did everything exactly as he should have and I
applaud him for it.  If you don't like the fact that he isn't working three
months of the year take it up with the Visitor's Services Board.
5:56 pm est 

Re Tourism Director


"Have you forgotten the TD offered to resign in the fall because he wanted to be
in Palm Springs in the winter where he has bought a second home...."



The Tourism Direct should work full time, but working remotely is okay and maybe
even better. If he were in Ptown this week, who would he talk with that the
can't talk with while in California? If we were on the job, palm springs would
the perfect place to promote vacations in Ptown.

I am not always a fan of our Town Manager, but in this instance she has acted
appropriately if not too cautiously.


5:55 pm est 

Vernon for Tourism Director

I SECOND THE MOTION
(U hear everyone say YEAH)

Motion passes Sharon.   It shall be!
5:52 pm est 

Re: Vernon Porter

Vernon for Tourism Director is a great idea!!!!!!
5:50 pm est 

Concerned and Active Citizens

I remember all of the dozens and dozens of ranting and raving on here a year or
so ago about something..and everyone getting all rived up about going to a
selectmen's meeting..And there were only two of us citizens there to speak.

We looked at each other and the other and the other person said,"I knew that
you'd be here--but where is everyone else?"

Relax, expect another unanimous vote on the Police station. Remember the
population of the town and the population of town meeting!
5:48 pm est 

Re: Paranoia

Re:  "Paranoia runs rampant in Provincetown  Everyone assumes someone
is up to something and trust is non-existent."


This surprises you ??  Have you seen some of the developments that have gone up
in the last several years ?
Their size ? Exemptions for certain developers ?

Meetings that are held in the dead of winter when no one is around ?

Yeah rignt - why should we be paranoid ??


5:44 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

Who attends and who doesn't attend seems to be a matter of debate. I agree Eric
Yingling (and everyone else) seems present at PTV broadcasted meetings of
Fin-Com. I wish they would hold the pages they are reviewing up for the TV
camera because it can be very hard to follow as they are each talking about the
papers we can't see.

And Fin-Com is ALWAYS on TV these days so it's been very hard to watch them all
since the Selectmen are meeting all the time too.

5:40 pm est 

BOS Secretary

Who ever said on this site that the BOS Secretary's job is only
part-time .. doesn't know what they are talking about. Maybe you should try
working there for 2 weeks and find out what really goes on.
10:53 am est 

Tourism Director

Have you forgotten the TD offered to resign in the fall because he wanted to be
in Palm Springs in the winter where he has bought a second home.  Instead the
VSB changed his position to 9 months a year to accommodate his request.  If you
believe that the Tourism Director should be a full time position than you need
to take it up with the VSB.  They obviously don't believe it needs to be full
time.
10:15 am est 

Wednesday, March 7, 2012

To: All!

I appreciate everyone!
10:10 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

"As you may not know, Eric is the only full-time employed member of
FinComm who has participated this year. . ."



Sorry, not buying it.  Every meeting I've seen on TV this yr- Eric was there. 
Last yr when he wasn't running for office he only showed up half the time.  And
Eric does not work full time year round.
10:07 pm est 

Vernon for Tourism Director !!!!!!!!!!!

I would like to know why our Tourism Director is on leave when we have
important tourism initiatives to be addressed. Are we looking for a replacement?


Vernon for Tourism Director !!!!!!!!!!!
10:03 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

Taking time away from his business to get to the meetings? He didn't have a job
prior to being a member? He didn't know the schedule had meetings during the
day? He couldn't get his committee to change the meeting time to try and not
only accomodate him but the general public if someone else wanted to become a
member and you think he's going to be a voice for change on the BOS? I don't
think so and as I've posted prior, I don't think he's thought this one through
enough to understand the commitment he'll need to make to being a selectman. We
don't need another lame layabout.
10:01 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"Excessive Expenses? We have not even been given a budget yet and it's already
excessive?  It may or not be excessive, but should we wait until we actually
have the numbers before we determine that it is?"



FinComm and Lynn in a confusing discussion, said $8 Million to build, and some
unknown amount to furnish and outfit. $10 Million was the agreed ballbark. DPW
garage is extra

It's all on PTV.


9:56 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Yes, let's take the elementary school and retro fit it to make it a
police station.  It worked so well when we did that to the funeral home.
9:49 pm est 

Wheel Within a Wheel

Re: "I'm sorry honey, just because you say it doesn't make it true. 
There is no evidence on this blog that you didn't make the first post and agree
with yourself in the second post."


To 'honey' and 'dear'

I think the point the writer was trying to make is that almost all postings here
are anonymous.  No one can say for certain if the postings on here are the
postings of a large group of people or a very small minority of people.
9:46 pm est 

Ryan Landry

Ryan Landry just joined the Historic DISTRICT Commission, the regulatory board;
John Dowd is the Chair.

The Historical Commission is not a regulatory board and Eric Dray is Chair.

I agree, God Bless Him for serving.
4:10 pm est 

Paranoia

Paranoia runs rampant in Provincetown (at least on this blog).  I
wonder why that is.  Everyone assumes someone is up to something and trust is
non-existent.

It's kind of a sad reflection on our little town.
3:16 pm est 

Re: David Gardner

Re: "David use to be such a supportive person for staff.  What has
happened?  Sharon cut off his tounge?"



It's most likely that you have no idea of the conversations between David and
his boss?

And then you expect David to come out and publicly disagree with his boss and
the board of selectmen in their decision?  Are you really serious?  Try another
tactic.
3:13 pm est 

Re: Blogger Accountability

Re: "Sorry dear.  Just because you have done this, don't assume
everyone sinks to your level.  I wrote this sentence you quote, and I definitely
didn't write it about, for or in reply to, myself."


I'm sorry honey, just because you say it doesn't make it true.  There is no
evidence on this blog that you didn't make the first post and agree with
yourself in the second post.  In fact there is no evidence that all the posts
are written by five or six people, is there?


3:01 pm est