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Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Re: New Police Station-My Perspective

CIVIC PRIDE

Close the school and turn the police station into a school or a library just as
it is. Let every kid spend the day there and soon every mother in town would be
in a rage: the threat of a backed up sewage, damp wet floors, mold and mildew,
water running through the basement.

Whatever happened to civic responsibility. It is all prejudice against the
police from my perspective.
5:02 pm est 

Report on Provincetown Website

I read the report on the Police Headquarters on the town website. I called town
hall and found out the answers to my questions. What did you do but make up your
mind out of thin air? Did you look at the building like I once did and say it
can't be that bad?

I did my homework. What did you do but complain on here or write some ignorant
statement with a bunch of exclamation points or question marks after it?


4:59 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"What we know of the new station is that it is extravagant and in the
wrong part of town."


How do you know it is extravagant?  You have not seen the plans!  They have not
even been presented to the BOS (March 12th).

It's in the wrong part of town.  As I understand it a group of citizens looked
at a number of possibilities and the best location they came up with was the one
being proposed.

Look, I'm not yet sold on the new police station/highway garage, but let's keep
the discussion to known facts and not made up rumors.
4:56 pm est 

In Depth Banner Article Needed

Anyone who contacts the chief of police or the town manager can get an in depth
story of the need for the police headquarters and the search for a suitable lot.

So many places were considered for the building but each one had to be rejected
save for the DPW area.

Building a police headquarters isn't like building just any kind of building; it
cant be built like a store or a regular structure: it has three major, expensive
components, its communications center, its property evidence area for properly
maintaining the chain of evidence, and its detention center that must meet the
criteria of the Federal Bureau of Prison as well as State standards, and it
requires some bullet proof windows and doors in some areas.

sign me: ordinary citizen and tax payer who was against this initially who
called town hall and the chief with questions, read the report and now I'm
convinced we need a new police headquarters.
4:54 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"If you had bad wiring in your house, would you immediately build a new
house or would you fix the wiring?!"


No, but if I had bad wiring, flooding, sewer backups, mold, etc in my house I'd
realize I needed to get out of there.


4:49 pm est 

Erik Yingling-Representative of Our Future

One can argue if Eric is too idealistic or well seasoned enough for the roly
poly world of the selectmen's bench.

What is very good news is that he is of the generation that doesn't even
understand the tribal divisions of gay - straight. It would nice to have a
Selectman who doesn't automatically put people around one flag or another.

One can argue if Eric's politics match our own, but one can not question that
this a genuinely nice guy who cares deeply for his family, his friends, his
neighbors and in fact all of Provincetown.
4:47 pm est 

Center for Public Safety

Center For Public Safety is a grandly named retirement business of an old police
officer and his architect son. Sort of like calling the Old Colony or Surf Club
"The Gulf of Maine Center for Fishing Analysis".

2:52 pm est 

Use it or Lose it

Re: "Mr Yingling has been under attack by the powers that be recently
in our little village. thats enough for me to decide to vote for him."


I wish you had more of a brain to think for yourself.  Voting for someone
because others are against them is idiotic.  And that has nothing to do with Mr.
Yingling, positive or negative.  Use your brain to determine who would be best
for the town of Provincetown and vote for that candidate.

Most people get the government they deserve.  If you put so little thought into
who you vote for you probably deserve who you get.


1:59 pm est 

What Would You do?

"One photo....demonstrates the wiring is dangerous."


If you had bad wiring in your house, would you immediately build a new house or
would you fix the wiring?!
1:53 pm est 

Dust Off Plan "B"

".. has anyone looked into renovating the building?
Might as well try renovating a studio apartment for a family of eight."


That argument (or the one for the other day about a quart of milk), makes no
sense.  First no reason exist for the parking, dispatch, animal control,
seasonal officers, vehicle repair to be in the same building. Second no reason
to build a HUGE new building at $420 a square foot. Third, if it was a good
idea, we'd know the details already. And finally, it will never pass Town
Meeting, it won't be close, so start working on Plan B!
1:44 pm est 

New Police Station

We all agree the police station suffers from poor planning, little if
any maintenance, and general neglect. It's a mess.  And  too small for the
largest police force in provincetown history.

What we know of the new station is that it is extravagant and in the wrong part
of town.
What we know of the process is that it has been overly secretive and perhaps
even deceptive.
1:41 pm est 

Re: "Sorry I am Not Crazy..."

How can you possibly blame Bedard for Shank Painter.  He's an abutter and has
never been part of any discussion concerning the two projects.  We get it, you
don't like him, but if you're looking for nasty, try looking in a mirror.
1:36 pm est 

Sorry I am Not Crazy...

Look at the harm that David Bedard has been part of. Look at Shank Painter.
Do you think Eric can do more harm than this? I think he has a lot to learn.
The difference between him and Bedard is that he is open to learning and
opinions. The only thing Bedard has learned is how to blame OTHERS FOR
WHAT HE HAS DONE. This man will NEVER get my vote. He is deceptive
and nasty.
10:47 am est 

New Police Station

POLICE HEADQUARTERS REPORT: FIVE CRITICALLY, DEFICIENT AREAS OF THE
BUILDING NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.

I quote,"One photo even showed recent electrical fire damage that demonstrates
the wiring is dangerous."

How much more evidence do you to need to be convinced that that a new police
headquarters must be built?
10:14 am est 

Report From the Center For Public Safety

How can anyone look at the report from the Center for Public safety and read
that the police headquarters has failed in every category and say we don't need
a new building?

It is there is black and white and the Finance committee and the Board of
Selectmen should be working together to get a new one built.

Instead, Erik Yingling says has anyone looked into renovating the building.
Might as well try renovating a studio apartment for a family of eight.

10:13 am est 

Erik Yingling

Concerning the election of one Mr. Yingling


Mr Yingling has been under attack by the powers that be recently in our little
village. thats enough for me to decide to vote for him.

Where has any independant voice been in the last few years?

Town government seems to speak with one voice these days, and its a shrill,
mean-spirited, condescending one.

It's one way or the highway. too much power in the hands of a very small group is
not good for our town.

Good luck Erik.
10:11 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling

To the person who wants Eric because he,s straight...
you are a idiot!!!!!!!!

My apologies to the blog master and bloggers.
10:08 am est 

Re: Ignorance Made Visible

"...Selectmen spend all of their time going over budgets and attending meetings
and filtering information...."



If you watch a few PTV broadcasts of FinComm this year (or last), you will see
Eric, Ann and the others doing just that.
10:06 am est 

Erik Yingling

"How much harm could Erik do that hasn't been done?"



OMG, probably the craziest post ever.  He could be pushing to add jobs, pushing
for more affordable housing, etc.  All of which permanently affect your taxes.
10:03 am est 

Officer at the Pier

Why don't you send the police chief an e-mail and ask him why the town will need
officers there. Could it be due to the derelict boats and the criminals who
inhabit them?

I've talked to fishermen in other towns and one wants to give it up due to the
drug use--who wants to be in a life or death situation and have to depend on
people who are impaired due to cocaine or other drugs?
9:33 am est 

Ignorance Made Visible

Being a creative firebrand full of audacity and creativity is not same as having
reasoned judgement regarding the fate of a town and the departments.

Selectmen spend all of their time going over budgets and attending meetings and
filtering information and making decisions that affect people's lives.

I don't want someone in there who just shoots from the hip and is impulsive.
9:08 am est 

Re: Board of Selectmen

"Exactly what do you mean by getting diversity, on the BOS by getting
Yingling on the board??????"


Vote for Eric, we need more straight people on the BOS !
9:05 am est 

Erik Yingling

To the old      saying Yingling is to young. Look i your history
books.Many  great  persons made very good decisions at a young age.just hope he
has the thick skin one needs to hold up to the selfserving
9:02 am est 

Cops on the Pier
 
If the article at town meeting goes thru, what I am sure no one is thinking
about is, this chief is going to put two of his full time police officers down
the pier right. Well when that happens, it will leave what ever shift those
officers work short one officer. When an officer takes his/her vacation, they
normally fill it with other officers from within as over time. So from what I
have figured out, inorder to fill atleast one of those positions, the chief is
going to fill that with over time or someone new. My sources tell me he has
someone new coming soon. The way this chief operates is to decieve us into
thinking one thing then behind closed doors he is actually doing the opposite.
He will then lead us into believing, he's using a summer officer to do so when
in reality that new person will be here to stay. I guess the chief and town
manager think we all are focusing our attention so much on the pier that no one
is thinking what happens back at the barn. Where is all this money coming
from and guess who is eventually going to pay the ultimate price "you". To do
things like this along with the other things he's done and plans on doing, he's
sacrificng the custodians job from what my reliable sources have told me.
8:59 am est 

Erik Yingling

This is perhaps why Yingling has concerns:

I guarantee you he didn't know if the minutes from FinCom were or were not
posted on the web site.  His attention span to the FC isn't that strong.
8:55 am est 

Echo Chamber Effect

"But there seems to be an echo-chamber effect with the BOS, the Finance
Committee and the Town Manager."



You do realize Erik is currently part of your 'echo chamber' right?
8:52 am est 

To Seeing the Whole Picture

You are the One without the brain  and  perhaps toooooo
much maturity.
8:44 am est 

It's a New Day

Perhaps in the days of Abe Lincoln one needed to be
more mature. This is a new century not to mention a
Millennium. Perhaps, You are too old to vote or drive.
8:42 am est 

What Has Bedard Done to Warrant Reelection?

Time for new blood. How much harm could Erik
do that hasn't been done?
I'm tired of of the boring board.
8:39 am est 

The Times They are A Changing

It's time to reduce the Mc Guire Cartel!
Cut off the fingers that spread through all town boards
and departments.
New blood is essential .

Agree or not agree  on all issues is not the question.
Time to tip the Cart(el) .
8:30 am est 

Re: Seeing the Whole Picture

Young brains do not have the maturity?
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates , both born mid 50's , college dropouts,
Both active mid 70's.

So tell me, what is the age of maturity and competent thinking?
You are either way too young or way too old to comprehend
or just a plain idiot.
8:28 am est 

No Dogs in Town Hall

There once was a man named braun
Who took his hound into town
The hound took a look
And said "bro take a look"
And Braun took the neon down

Elvira Gulch


8:26 am est 

Seeing the Whole Picture

No young person has a fully matured brain. Eric is too young and inexperienced
and doesn't see the whole picture or the unintended consequences of his actions.

Science bears it out. That is why a person has to be a certain age to be
president. We can't trust our town government to the Impulsiveness and shooting
from the hip that would be detrimental to our town government.

Measured, thoughtful and judicious reasoning is what is needed.
11:50 pm est 

Get it!?

"I always wondered what ever happened to Elvira Gulch..."


Actually, in the Wizard of Oz, as the Wicked Witch of the west, her name in the
film is ALMIRA Gulch. Not Elvira. It's not like the horror movie siren, Elvira,
who comes alive every Halloween. THAT particular description does indeed live in
town hall. And the witch's real name is Russell Braun who, apparently, does not
like lighting of any kind.
11:47 pm est 

Accident, Sharon and Yingling

Gee, that "elderly" taxpayer who was RUN OVER by a police car is only
61! He is still in Seashore Pt and slowly, slowly, recovering.He deserves all
the $$$ his lawyer can get. I also hope the chief somehow pays for his evil
remarks to the press the day of the accident.

As far as the new police station, don't ever forget that Sharon is a cop, always
was, always will be. We live in a police state. It is like a religion to her,
and she will never leave us until the ultimate cathedral is built. We can count
on it.

As far as Eric Yingling, he has my vote. New blood is needed, there is no harm
in speaking up, questioning, or reporting here.
The world has changed in the last decade, it is time we let the next generation
in.
11:44 pm est 

Erik Yingling- Not Quite Ready

"At this point I don't see a maturity in him . . ."


That pretty much sums it up for me.  When someone told me he was advertising for
a roommate on Facebook my first reaction was that the college kid was running
for office, it's a cute story, but not someone I want running the town.
11:38 pm est 

John Santos-Selectman

I must confess that I was unsure about Santos, but I've been impressed
with his performance as a Selectman.
11:35 pm est 

Erik Yingling Inconsistant?

Please look at this partial list, and see that there's a pattern that points to
not saving money for us, the taxpayers; on the contrary!


I thought the elimination of parking lot attendants was going to save $60k or
$70k a yr and Eric was against that because he wanted jobs saved, not cut.  Eric
seems to be inconsistent at best, I take that back, he consistently wants to
spend more money.
11:33 pm est 

What do You Exactly Mean?

Exactly what do you mean by getting diversity, on the BOS by getting
Yingling on the board??????
11:30 pm est 

About that Erik

As many in here have cried foul of the greedy developers and real estate agents
selling off the town and destroying the character of the town, remember, Erik is
a real estate agent himself.

Oh, but we can trust him, right?
11:25 pm est 

90 Shankpainter vs Section 8

All rentals HAVE to accept section 8. It is illegal to deny someone a
rental just because you may not like it. 90 Shank-painter road will have to
accept sec. 8.
11:24 pm est 

I Could be Wrong?

I just went to check the mins of fin com
On town web site. Very interesting,
the last posting is Oct. .
Need I say more?
This is perhaps why Yingling has concerns.
11:21 pm est 

Anne McGuire

I have great admiration for Anne McGuire and all she has contributed
to this town.  It's sad to see those of who feel a need to attack her.
11:19 pm est 

Selectmen-Can't We do Better?

Totally agree to the posts about a need for new Select. The current
Board is well meaning I'm sure but not up to the task. Kind of a clown show with
dopey, sleazy, blinky, grouchy and sleepy! Can't we do better?
11:17 pm est 

Yingling for Selectman?

"Please look at this partial list, and see that there's a pattern that
points to not saving money for us, the taxpayers; on the contrary!. . ."



Confused- if you are looking to save taxpayer $ why would you vote for Yingling
who wants to create more government jobs, wants to spend more on affordable
housing, etc.  I'm not sure I understand the logic.
11:15 pm est 

Group Think

"But there seems to be an echo-chamber effect with the BOS, the Finance
Committee and the Town Manager."


Ya think? Never a word of disagreement or dissenting vote.

BOS, the Finance Committee, Town Manager, Town Moderator, Zoning Board.  ONE BIG
BLOB OF GROUP THINK!
11:11 pm est 

Re: Yingling for Selectman

RE: "We need to break THE CABAL that has brought us beautes like
these:. . ."



Curious, are you lying on purpose or are you just ignorant of the facts?
Could you please provide the proof that the police chief received a bonus?  When
did that happen?  How about the parking administrator?  When did he receive his
bonus?
11:07 pm est 

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Erik Yingling Yes!

Well, I think it's time to have some diversity in the BOS.  I
appreciate what the current BOS members gave done.  But there seems to be an
echo-chamber effect with the BOS, the Finance Committee and the Town Manager.

It'll be nice to have another different perspective represented on the BOS.

There are many people around town right now supporting you, Erik!
7:31 pm est 

Good Luck, Erik!

We need more proletariat like you in our town.
7:27 pm est 

Yingling for Selectman

I agree with all of those that believe that it would be good to have
Eric Yingling as Selectman. We need to break THE CABAL that has brought us
beautes like these:

1) a higher salary for the Police Chief
2) a bonus for the Police Chief
3) the assignment, for the first time, of police to the "crime-infested" pier :)
4) the proposal of a multimillion dollar police station
5) a higher salary for the head of the Parking Department
6) a bonus for the head of the Parking Department
7) the proposed elimination of parking attendants
8) the elimination of the Dancing Cop's position, replacing him with up to 3
cops at the same spot, at the same time
9) the elimination of the Police Department's custodian's position

Please look at this partial list, and see that there's a pattern that points to
not saving money for us, the taxpayers; on the contrary!

It's all about eliminating the positions of those that are the most powerless
and vulnerable in town government, in order to fund the salary increases,
bonuses and pet items of those at the top.

Yes, Yingling, I'm glad you're running for Selectman!

7:25 pm est 

90 Shankpainter Road

90 Shankpainter Rd is 40-B HOUSING & Section 8
HOMELESS, DRUG REHAB, DISABLE ELDERLY

40-B housing: is for the homeless, people with disabilities, the elderly and
people in drug rehab. 90-Shank painter Rd is 40-B housing.

Section 8: is for people who qualify for housing but don't make enough money.
there is a 13 year wait and the list is closed now.
7:23 pm est 

Board of Selectmen

If we have Santos and Yingling on the  new board at least
we will have 2 less on the Mc Guire Cartel. Maybe then we'll
have some true debates.
Any board that is either controlled or in constant agreement
is an entity that does not represent the multiple facets of
the community.  Diversiveness is not a bad action.What is,
is non disclosesure. Do I or will I always agree with Erik, no.
Am I over this controlled  performance of the majority of
the BOS, YES.

7:20 pm est 

Re: Erick Yingling

What are ALL the stunts Eric pulled with fincom as you put it. We know
what Bedard is made of. Let's infuse a new generation into the current board.
7:16 pm est 

BOS Needs a Transfusion

We need new blood on the BOS and although some might
say that Erik is too young, I say youth is what this tired group
needs. I don't feel that Bedard has shown a strong voice for
the general public, instead he seems to follow the rest of the
herd of sheep. I'm not fond of Santos but at least he won't
always vote with the majority . Bedard has been given a chance
With no monumental results. Let's see what the new kid on the
block can do.
1:23 pm est 

90 Shankpaintern & Section 8

90 Shankpainter does not accept Section 8 applications. Sleep well
knowing all the current Provincetown Section 8 tenants will remain scattered
throughout the town and not be tempted to live a life of crime in the crime
ridden concentrated slums of Shankpainter Road. Thank God we are all safe from
the Section 8.
1:21 pm est 

Erick Yingling vs David Bedard

Re: "...There is no way Bedard should be reelected. I have seen him in
action and his ways are both devious and self serving..."



And with the stunts Yingling pulled with the FinCom you think he's better?  I
don't agree with your assessment of Bedard, but if you are going to call out
Bedard as being 'devious and self serving' you should apply the exact same
description to Yingling.  Because in Yingling's case 'the shoe fits'.
1:19 pm est 

Re: Erick Yingling

If you vote for Bedard to vote against Erik there is something really
wrong with you. If you don't like what has been happening or has happened or
will happen in this town take a look at what you are saying. Oy!
1:17 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

Re: Concerned About Policies

"be concerned we can't afford Erik's policies."

Fortunately this blog has provided us a first hand look as to where Erik
Yingling is coming from. His solutions to problems are spending more tax money,
not cutting back.  He Erik makes our choice very clear.  Do we want to vote for
someone that is fiscally responsible or someone that is looking to open the
towns check book?  Erik's signed posts support the construction of a ne police
station; Make a Deposit into the OPEB Fund, "Double Down" on Affordable
Year-Round Housing, Create More Jobs"Tourism ambassadors".  For me it is a clear
choice, but each voter must decide for themselves.

1:15 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

I say give Erik a chance.  There is no way Bedard should be reelected.
I have seen him in action and his ways are both devious and self serving.  At
least Eric stands up for what he believes and would be a better chance. We all
know what we have.

9:52 am est 

Dogs at Town Hall

I always wondered what ever happened to Elvira Gulch, seems she's alive and well
and living in Provincetown.
9:51 am est 

Police Cruiser Accident

Has anybody heard any more about the elderly man who was hit by the police
cruiser? I'm told that a lawsuit has already been filed against the Town and
that the Police Chief is being sued too.
9:49 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling

Someday Erik may make a good selectmen, he obviously cares very much
about Provincetown.  At this point I don't see a maturity in him that I would
want from one of five people running our town.  I agree with an earlier writer
that what he did with the finance committe was divisive.
9:47 am est 

Monday, February 27, 2012

FinComm on PTV

Just finished watching the Finance Committee on the PTV website.  One
question:  has anyone checked to see if Ann Maguire is still          ?
10:56 pm est 

Dogs at Town Hall

I agree.. They do not belong in any of the Town buildings at all.  David Guertin
brings his dog daily.  How inconsiderate to his co-workers and how dare Sharon
to allow it! If you can't leave them alone then you shouldn't own one...

Allergies are lethal to some people..  That is just simply rude.....

Sharon what are you thinking?  Not to mention if someone gets bitten....
10:54 pm est 

Re: Finance Committee Member Out of Bounds

"Since when does a member of the finance committee get to lobby for or against a
proposal? Just shows what a callow fellow (sic) this guy (sic) is and lacks the
decorum to keep things in committee."


I assume the reference  in the quote above is to Ann Maguire's official work for
the Selectmen to develop and sell the new police station to the voters. I agree
it's unusual for a FinComm Member to accept an appointment from the Town
Manager/Selectmen.

Especially unfortunate on a topic where FinComm is most needed to be relied on as
an independent voice for the voters.
10:52 pm est 

To: Erik Yingling

Erik, clearly you know little of politics in Provincetown! Unless the
incumbent running has really screwed up or has been indicted, he or she is
re-elected.

I think what you have done as a board member of FinCom is divisive.

I can't stand Bedard as I find him pompous and idea bankrupt. My vote won't be
for Bedard but against you come spring.

10:50 pm est 

Concerned About Policies

I'd just be concerned we can't afford Erik's policies.   According to
his letter to the BOS he wants to create more gov't jobs paid by tax dollars and
wants even more affordable housing.  I just don't think we can afford what he
advocates.
10:48 pm est 

Police Station Secrecy and Lack of Details is a Bad Sign!

One can be sure that if the new police station was thought to be well received
by Town voters, details and designs would be released well before the eve of
Town Meeting.  They'd have open houses put stuff up in the library and lobby of
town hall a whole launch campaign. Keeping the design a secret suggests even the
most adamant supporters know the plan is a bust.

This police station is shaping up to be a huge boondoggle.
10:46 pm est 

Take a Break

Everyone must have been watching the OSCARS last nite ..looks like
no one wrote anything till the got home from work today...everyone needs a night
off now and then..enjoy tonite and watch THE VOICE its a great show
10:44 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

You posted: "Improper Use of Position : Erik Yingling is on the finance
committee. It doesn't seem fair to have him
discuss financial issues."


I am not even sure what that means? Nevertheless, more importantly, The Vice
Chairman of Finance Committee is rumored to have served on the Board Of
Selectmen's special committee that picked the new site for the police station
and hired the architect who has designed the new building. The Vice Chair is now
speaking out in favor of her work, yet not disclosing it as her own work
product.

This dual role is in direct violation of the Town Charter and the Charter
Commission should act promptly to remove the Vice Chair from FinComm. The fact
that the Selectmen's Special Committee report has not been disclosed in FinComm
or BOS meetings suggests yet another breach in  ethics and  decorum.

What has happened to FinComm?


10:42 pm est 

I Read the Report on the Police Station.

It seems clear that something should be done.  But I agree with the previous
poster.  There must be some option between doing nothing and a $10 million price
tag.  Nobody has said what we even get for $10 million.

I will be voicing my objection to this expenditure until all options are
considered.

10:40 pm est 

Re: Erik Yingling

"Improper Use of Position :Erik Yingling is on the finance committee. It doesn't
seem fair to have him  discuss financial issues."



Recently David McChesney ran for Selectman from the Finance Committee. While
running and on FinComm he voted on all matters, spoke on behalf of Town Hall and
even arranged for FinComm to wave American Flags as he spoke on one warrant
article

Mr Yingling should continue service has he has.
10:38 pm est 

Re: Running For Selectman


Dear Provincetown Voters, after giving it much consideration and after receiving
encouragement from a number of you; I would like to announce that I am running
for selectman. Will you sign my nomination papers?

Best,

Erik Yingling
erikyingling@gmail.com
5:30 pm est 

E. Yingling Running for Selectman?

RE: ". . .so anonymous attackers, what could be my biased and
secretive agenda? keep on digging and reaching. you undermine ONLY yourself.
Sincerely,

Erik Yingling"



It wasn't too hard to figure out your agenda.  Went on town's web site to look
up something, thought I'd see who is running for office.  Surprise, surprise, E.
Yingling has taken out papers to run for Selectman.  Guess you did have an
agenda, Erik.  You undermined yourself, huh?

5:25 pm est 

Improper Use of Position

Erik Yingling is on the finance committee. It doesn't seem fair to have him
discuss financial issues.
5:19 pm est 

Re: Organizational Conflict of Interest

To the blogger who never heard of an organization having the clerical
person serving policymakers and CEO because it's to bizarre,did'nt do their
homework.  That's the way it was in our Town Hall before 1977 and into the mid
1980's.
5:13 pm est 

Police Headquarters Considered All Options

Don't you think that they possible option was considered by the Town regrading
the police headquarters. This idea didn't spring up last week. A study was
initiated and completed and you can read it here.

The idea of "renovation" is absurd. The place is busting at the seams. Try
pouring a gallon of milk into a milk bottle and if it doesn't work "renovate"
the quart bottle.

This is what is being faced. I'm convinced that we do need a new police station.
There is a report here to read if you don't believe me.
5:11 pm est 

Simple Sound Solution....

Did anyone think of setting aside a few units in the 90 Shank Painter Housing
Projects for a police station?  or satellite station?  Most likely that's where
the increase in crime will come from anyway.
5:08 pm est 

Finanace Committe Member Out of Bounds

Since when does a member of the finance committee get to lobby for or against a
proposal?

Just shows what a callow fellow this guy is and lacks the decorum to keep things
in committee.

5:06 pm est 

Re: Boatslip

You can find it "funny" all you want.  The point is, in a town that
depends on tourism, gay and straight, people are invited here to have fun and a
good experience.  While gay people may be aware of the "boatslip scene" and
think it's cool, many straight tourists are not.  The fact that the town and
police do not close this area to auto traffic says cars are welcome here despite
the people in the street.  Either close the street to cars altogether or don't
be surprised when someone files a suit over damage.  No suits to date means
nothing.  This is the day and age of the lawsuit.  Invite new Section 8
residents but hope none have an issue here causing any type of personal or
property damage.  Funny?  Yeah, real funny, but the town won't be the one
laughing to the bank.
5:05 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

I think that a combined Provincetown/Truro police force is an
excellent idea.  All in favor...
5:03 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"How can the Finance Committee or anyone else have an opinion about the
new police headquarters? The Town has not released information other than . ."


Don't blame the Finance Committee for this premature discussion sans the facts. 
This was Eric Yingling jumping the gun before he has all the facts.
4:59 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"For Town Meeting to direct the BOS to enter into discussions with the
Truro BOS for a combined Truro/ Provincetown Police Department."


Truro has already said no.  We have too much activity for them.  They like their
sleepy little force where they can have a little     every now and then and
nobody bothers them unless they wreck their police cruiser.
4:57 pm est 

Dear Just a Taxpayer:

My problem with your posts is that you and others seem to have a skipped a step.
Specifically, what options exist other than the $10 Million solution.  As you
note in your post, several options exist to reduce the burden of the new police
facility, yet all available evidence suggests a rush by town officials to build
a new very large, extravagant police station. So will you please slow down,
evaluate the options and make a thoughtful recommendation to the voters?

The second observation, is the persistent reference to a lawsuit is very
misleading. No such threat or risk exists from prisoner or staff. Unspeakable
acts occur each day in Massachusetts jails and no one is sued. The courts, over
and over basically hold that if you want to stay at a Hilton, don't commit a
crime.  Too harsh? Yes  Unfortunately our jails are cesspools and the courts
rarely intervene.  Town Meeting should act prudently but not out of fear for
some boogeymen court judgement.

So once again, ma'am please slow down, publicly disclose what information is
available on the subject, vet ideas and proposals others might have and when
that is complete put a proposal to the voters who can endorse the plans with
confidence.
4:54 pm est 

Sunday, February 26, 2012

Proposed Article

What do you think about this article:

For Town Meeting to direct the BOS to enter into discussions with the Truro BOS
for a combined Truro/ Provincetown Police Department.

Timelines and outcomes  would need to be specified in the above article.

Now, that would really save us some $!
3:30 pm est 

Re: Overzealous Cops

"I have personally been stopped at least 4 times this year and each
time, was not cited! Everyone I know in town has a similar story of overzealous
cops!"


Does this come up often in your conversations at the Governor Bradford or The
Old Colony?  Honestly, on a daily basis I see people stumble out of those two
establishments  in the early evening hours to get in their car to drive home.
3:28 pm est 

Fact v Rumor Police Station

How can the Finance Committee or anyone else have an opinion about the new
police headquarters? The Town has not released information other than the
following:

1) Budget $8 Million to $10 Million for buildings
2) Race Point Road at Route 6 with the entrace facing Rt 6.
3) Architect fees $750,000 or maybe 650,000 (can't make out the audio of the
amount as it discussed on PTV webcast)
4) Site review plan $120,000 (approx and already spent)

Other items like the  penthouse armored offices, climate controlled parking
garage, bullet proof look-outs, police residental facilities, multiple new
janitors, Dunkin Donuts, new sworn officers, national security grants,  police
offices in town hall - 3 story urban style garage on the grounds of the current
police station) are just rumors.

3:25 pm est 

Re: Be Realistic

Re: a year round population of under 3,000

You titled your post "be realistic".

OK, then how about a realistic 700 not 3000, not for years.
1:26 pm est 

Re: Boatslip Incident

"Sorry, the police were present and were onlookers when my car,
including windows, got pounded on .  .  ."


I remember that story, it was kind of funny.  If I recall correctly you were
parading by the Boatslip in your car and got upset when the crowd didn't
magically part for you.
1:25 pm est 

Overzealous Cops

To the previous blogger who posted a remark calling the cops overzealous because
he has been pulled over 4 times needs to know that they are not overzealous. If
they don't pull over 4 cars, per officer, per shift they will first be
reprimanded and then suspended. If you think it's not true then just ask Officer
Palheiro. This Chief does not care about us, he's going to do it regardless.
That is why I agree with the previous blogger who said we need to send a message
to the selectmen that we do not like what this Chief is doing. I also agree we
need to send this Chief a message that we don't like what he is doing by voting
down his request for a new police station and for cops down the pier. Let's
support that bloggers requests and stand together because this CVhief is not
going to listen if we don't.
1:23 pm est 

Re: Police Station

Thanks so much for posting the analysis of the police station. Very useful. This
taxpayer, after reading the report, agrees something has to be done and the
existing facility is untenable and the site seems unuseable. At the same time
several of the facility requirements outlined seem to me best handled at a
regional level, eg shooting range. I've lived in other towns where the
departments have gotten along fine without their own shooting range using
regional shared facilities for this purpose. A step more toward regionalization,
centralized/shared dispatch might also reduce our needed investment. Again I
have seen this done elsewhere with great sucess, reduced manpower and facilities
costs at the individual town level.

That said, and as I made the point elsewhere below, the risks of the current
facility from a liability standpoint and a disaster perspective make it just
untenable. Add to this it's just a dilapidated poorly suited facility for us to
ask our law enforcement department to do its job in.

After reading this report I would dispute those who are so quick, as they are
with almost every subject, to assert this is just self-aggrandizing by our
police chief. His job is to tell us when we face unacceptable risks and this
report clearly outlines that we do. Could a new facility be done cheaper than
outlined in here, probably, but it's a preliminary report.

This issue points out an interesting contrast in perspectives. If you're an
elderly property owner who can't stomach more taxes and isn't going to be around
long enough for the risk of a lawsuit from an inmate death or other incident
materialize why would you support further debt on the town's part for a new
facility? If you're someone who still has 30 more years of being a taxpayer then
you might see the debt burden of a new facility as a reasonable tradeoff against
the now in writing, documented, risks of the current inadequate facility.

- just a taxpayer



1:20 pm est 

Re: Police Stats

We all know that in a heart beat things can change crime wise, it only takes one
person on drugs and or alcohol or depression due to finances, etc, etc. In the
summer time we all know the potential for some of that. However, this Chief and
Town Manager don't care what we think or feel. They know that a lot of what is
said on here is not all factual and they know that a lot of people like to
do in this town is complain. Those are not my feelings, just that I know for a
fact that is their way of thinking. So we the people in this town need to send
the Selectmen a message. We not only don't like what this Chief is doing but we
also don't like what he is turning this town into. If we all just keep turning
what ever this Chief wants like the new police station down at Town Meetings,
eventually the god-fathers of this town have got to wonder why we no longer
support what this Chief keeps asking us for. The rumor I keep hearing is this
Chief and Town Manager are going to do what they want. So I ask that we all
show up at the April Town Meeting and by a secret ballot we down the new station
request and the cops on the Pier. Thank you.
1:17 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

"Fix up the station. Make it deluxe. $2 Million tops."


Curious as to the qualifications of anyone posting here to determine what is the
best solution for the police station.  As a taxpayer I'd love to only need $1M
or $2M for the police station issue, but if you are pulling the $2M number out
of air then your lack of knowledge only hurts the conversation.
1:13 pm est 

$4,000,000 Each Year For the School

14 High school students and a mega building for a high school at a cost of
millions Each YEAR!

Due to the fact that we aren't crime ridden we should keep the police
headquarters a dilapidated building?

The truth? The prejudice is against the police.

What is the position of the finance committee on the police headquarters?
1:11 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Library-Failed Leadership

If it is true that there are more unsatisfied employees and public that find the
library an unfriendly place and these complaints have been made known does
anyone know if its being addressed. Its one thing to have one person complain
but when you have a few then perhaps it's time to look at the leadership. who
are the libarary trustees now.
1:09 pm est 

New Police Station-Reasoned Thinking

A report on the police headquarters points out in black and white the critical
failures in the building from narrow stairs etc etc.

You can't renovate a studio apartment into a three bedroom apartment.

Lets switch and put all of the school children in the current police
headquarters turn the rooms into classrooms--we only have 14 high school
students. And put the police in the school.
1:07 pm est 

90 Shankpainter Projects

To the blogger who is concerned about the buildings being too close to the road
- I asked the same question of someone and was told it was an affordable housing
project that went through the different boards and got approval.
1:05 pm est 

As Heard on Commercial St....

Gateway, owner of the Banner is moving advertizing production to India. Those
jobs used to be right here in Town.

Just Say No to the Banner
1:04 pm est 

Hands Off Policy on the Boatslip

Having worked as a police officer in Provincetown, our orders were to just move
the crowds having sex under the deck of the Boatslip along and make no arrests.
The same orders applied to FLYER'S Boat Yard. When will we get a police chief
with balls to make arrests?  One night the crowds under the Boatslip Deck will
turn on those out numbered officers and what then chief?
1:02 pm est 

Board of Selectmen Wrong-Headed Decision

Never heard of an organization having the clerical person serve the
policymakers AND the CEO.  It's bizarre what the BOS is planning to do.
1:01 pm est 

Provincetown Library Board

"PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR HER. WE NEED OUR LIBRARY BACK. I hope
someone else has the courage to run for that board."



Why don't you grow a pair and run?  Could it be because you would have take your
attacks public instead of sniping behind your keyboard.  If the library is so
horrible now then some of you whiners need to step up and run for office. 
Otherwise your petty attacks are a waste of my time.
12:58 pm est 

Re: New Police Station-Estimated Project Costs

Are you kidding me? This is the estimate we're being led by the nose into this
project with????  Page 29 of the police report shows $6 mil to do the project?
Better double that. Landscaping estimated at $57K? The minimal landscaping at
the library was over $100K! Site development, $144K?? Are you SERIOUS????
Excavate all the existing whatever, lay pipes and wires throughout the property,
septic system if not to the sewer, etc. And the building is estimated to be
12,000 square feet? Did someone mention 3 stories? 4000 sq. ft. building is 40 x
100. Might as well put the police station in the almost vacant highschool, no? I
know the elementary kids are in there right now but soon they'll be absorbed by
Truro or Wellfleet in the future, get used to it.
12:56 pm est 

Hate to Say it....BUT

When Section 8 arrives in this town, the crime and drug busts are going to go
up.  We WILL need a new police station to house the amount of criminals.  With
Section 8 it comes with the territory.  The chief knows the score.  He realizes
he's going to need a new facility for the onslaught of crime.  Heed my warnings. 
We are heading toward a new Hyannis.  Crime, Drive-bys, and drugs are going to
overtake the town.  Bye Bye Provincetown of yore.

Give the chief your support.  We are ALL going to need it.
12:54 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Are you a medium?  How do you KNOW the future?  I can assure you of this, if you
are wrong you will never admit it, you will just go back into hiding behind your
keyboard.

When was the last big project the taxpayers rejected when it came to town
meeting? Name it if you can. Don't burn your brain too much because I can't
think of one. If the town wants it, they get it. Problem is, nobody has the 
      to step up to the powers that be.
12:53 pm est 

New Police Station-Let's be Realistic

We need to find out, what other seasonal communities with a year round
population of under 3,000, have paid for the building/renovation of their police
departments.

It seems that there's a need to upgrade or renovate  the facilities for the
police department, but a sticker price of 7 to 10 million is simply ridiculous!

12:51 pm est 

Jarran-Start Doing Real Work

Finally, someone else has spoken up about the cesspool of a problem
behind the Boatslip in the wee hours! Chief Jarran, if you want to impress us
and ask us to step up and pay for your luxious new quarters, then at least
accept the baton you were passed and deal with the REAL problems here! The
antics behind the Boatslip are disgusting and an eyesore for this town. The many
drug deals that take place in the bars on Commercial Street center are a big
slap in the face to us all! Because we ALL know what goes on there, has gone on
there for years, and will continue to go on there! Enforce the laws and get the
drug dealers and perverts off our streets first! Stop pulling over vehicles for
no reason! I have personally been stopped at least 4 times this year and each
time, was not cited! Everyone I know in town has a similar story of overzealous
cops! Yes, they do have quotas! I undertand that each officer is required to
stop 4 cars per shift! That is sheer lanacy, espec!
ially this time of year! Fix the things that are broken, that will impress us
Chief Jarran!
12:49 pm est 

Provincetown's Fiscal Waste

"When other towns across this country are making tough decisions to
re-examine their budgets, asking employees to contribute a portion of the
salaries toward health benefits, we go on a spending spree."


Most of the town apparently don't agree with you.  Mr. Yingling believes we
should do everything possible to keep town gov't jobs and in fact wants to
create more.  And he's on the finance committee an  if a finance committee
member wants to spend more on town payroll what chance do you think there is of
cutting it?  And a number of people writing here think he should run for
selectman !
12:41 pm est 

Re: New Police Station-Are You a Medium?

One does not have to be a medium to know the chief will be needing in
his mind 2 sgts and 2 lieutenants and 2 janitors.guess you really dont
understand how all this is playing out..
12:39 pm est 

Saturday, February 25, 2012

Provincetown Crime Stats

According to the uniform crime reporting program,run by the
FBI,each town is to report their crime stats yearly.the last year of
Reporting for Provincetown was 2005.

Violent crime - 2005 - 21 crimes -
                        2004 - 3 crimes
                        2003- 27 crimes

Property crime - 2005- 165 crimes
                           2004- 189 crimes
                           2003- 69 crimes

  These statistics are from our police department and can not
Justify the spending of such a large sum money for a new
Station.
2:49 pm est 

Re: Library Failed Leadership

The person who posted about this is absolutely right. The head of the library is
just plain mean. I go there almost every day. I have seen some employees
actually crying. I was behind a woman in line who said to the librarian behind
the desk, "Is this a fun place to work?" He answered without hesitating,"No. It
absolutely it is not. Not anymore. It's terribel place to work."

I have noticed that nobody else besides Evelyn Kratz is running for re-election
for trustee, who is responsible for this terribel hire and for running good
people off the board. She lives here less than half the year, is not liked by
any of the employees or library customers, and is a personal friend of the town
manager. PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR HER. WE NEED OUR LIBRARY BACK. I hope
someone else has the courage to run for that board.
2:47 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Impossible to Remodel

"An undersized, inadequate building that was a funeral home can't be renovated
into a proper police headquarters. It is impossible to turn it into a safe
secure building."



The above statement is only true if you believe the parking office, dispatchers
and jail need to be in the same building. I don't understand such a requirement
as these functions are most often in unique buildings in other towns and cities.

Fix up the station. Make it deluxe. $2 Million tops.
2:44 pm est 

Re: Police Station

We do not need a new police station. How many prisoners are held in
Provincetown?   The jail cells are used as an overnight sobriety tank (sorta
like Floyd on Mayberry RFD), and frankly I think the police are too agressive
even on this front.   Why are we paying $7 million for a sobriety tank and to
house some bicycle cops?   Personally, I think we have way to many police for
the 700 to 800 year-rounders.  Just like the schools, the year-round population
has diminished, and so should the police force.  If there are any prisoners as a
result of a more serious crime, then bus them to Truro or even Orleans.
12:20 pm est 

New Police Station

One of the justifications (albeit a minor one) in the now public report for the
new station is that vandalism and petty crime occurs in the unsecured parking
lot of the police station.

That suggests to me we need a new police chief not a new police station? If the
Chief can't address vandalism at the Police Station parking lot, no wonder
.......


11:59 am est 

I Think the New Parking Ideas are Great!!!!

with one exception.. no limit when its RAINING. This is the only time I drive
into town. Otherwise I always walk or bike.    If you are incapable of walking
or biking, apply for disabled parking.

Town isnt that big people. stop being lazy. we need the revenue.  If the extra
walk from the HS is going to kill you, you got problems.

11:57 am est 

New Police Station

"If the Police Chief gets his brand new 3 story police station I can
assure you he plans .  .  ."



Are you a medium?  How do you KNOW the future?  I can assure you of this, if you
are wrong you will never admit it, you will just go back into hiding behind your
keyboard.

11:52 am est 

The Police Stories Here are Better Than TV

I sincerely believe from what I have heard on the streets and read here plus my
own personal knowledge, that we need to send this Police Chief a message "We
don't like what you are doing". I use to watch the cops on tv but the drama in
this town is priceless. In all the years I have lived here, I have never seen a
police chief treat the public like he has and yet expect us to give him a new
police station. I am all for Law & Order but this Chief thinks he's the man on
the cross and we will bow to him, like it or not. When I know for a fact that a
custodians job is being eliminated for all the wrong reasons and a police
officer keeps getting reprimanded for not stopping x-amount of cars that they
said there is no quota or policy on, I then think it's up to the people in this
town to show the town manager and the selectmen/woman that enough is enough.
11:51 am est 

Impossible to Remodel

An undersized, inadequate building that was a funeral home can't be renovated
into a proper police headquarters. It is impossible to turn it into a safe
secure building.
11:48 am est 

Shankpainter Projects

Williams "Projects" on Shank Painter Road. With all of the
requirements this town has in place on building setbacks, how did the building
facing on Shank Painter Road ever get approved? Where were the traffic studies?
Cramming all of that affordable housing on barely a postage stamp is a recipe
for disaster. This town needs to step back and consider their priorities. Long
term planning is lacking when we put in place affordable year-round housing. Why
isnt anyone trying to attract employers to the area. The opportunity was lost on
the high school. We could have made efforts to approach
Johnson & Wales or The Culinary Institute to sell a culinary cooking school
extension here in Provincetown. Year-round employment for students,  chefs could
work off-season teaching, parents would visit throughout the year keeping
restaurants and guesthouses busy. Instead we continue on a path using the manic
mentality of a glut in the summer and an isolating lull of unemployment benefits
and a rise in alcohol consumption. But wait, our town officials and those
employed in a government job works year-round, on a four day schedule with full
employment health benefits. This is the most ridiculous and self promoting local
government I have ever seen.  When other towns across this country are making
tough decisions to re-examine their budgets, asking employees to contribute a
portion of the salaries toward health benefits, we go on a spending spree. Taxes
rise,  local residents sell out because it becomes too difficult to manage their
budgets and finances. I predict in 5 years, the affordable housing will bust this
town. Williams will sell the units at a profit and move on his merry way.or we will
continue to pretend we can make it on a 3 month supply of tourists.
11:47 am est 

Pearl Stret Affordable Housing Unit

A recent post points out funding was needed to renovate the unit.  I'm a
contractor who has to pull permits for just about everything I do in this town.I
don't remember sweeing anything in the paper being advertised about a permit
pulledto renoavte this property.Did I miss something or are only some of us
required to take out permits.
11:42 am est 

To: Boatslip Woes

Sorry, the police were present and were onlookers when my car, including
windows, got pounded on because I stupidly got caught on Comm'l St. during this
crowd one hot summer night.  Gee, didn't get the memo. And they did nothing to
help me and it was my fault for being there at this time of night, according to
the blog.  This crowd has no rules and the street isn't closed to auto traffic.
Seems a game of liability roulette the town plays over and over at this locale.


11:41 am est 

Friday, February 24, 2012

New Police Station

How about the west end parking lot for our Police Station?
8:31 pm est 

Ptown Wake up!...

If the Police Chief gets his brand new 3 story police station I can assure
you he plans to hire more staff but that will come later, he does not want
a remodel, he wants brand new. he will then need 2 of everything including
2 janitors..omg..he has big dreams at the cost of the taxpayers..many
questions need to be asked put him on the spot this is all gonna cost a
fortune
8:29 pm est 

Police Station Construction

7-10 MILLION???????? What are you nuts? Its Provincetown for gods sake. What
possible reason could there be to build ANYTHING in Provincetown for 7 Million
dollars let alone 10 million??? I can see it now, all the amenities because of
course, the police need them all. Fully outfitted weight room, conference room
able to seat 50, full spec kitchen, massive muti screen communications room
(SWAT compatable), underground garage for the officers personal vehicles while
they are on patrol and for the cruisers to stay dry when off duty, 10 jail cell,
(high crime you know), private offices for all ranking officers, bullet proof
glass all around due to the high crimes of Provincetown, trauma center, armory,
24 hour/360 degree surveilance system around the building(remote accessability
of course) indoor shooting range,(only short range though) and sleeping quarters
for those working a double. All this inside 15,000 square feet of indoor luxury
in this quaint seaside town. Think it won't happen? Think again. Of course, we
haven't paid off the expenses of Town Hall yet, the roads aren't paved, the
elementary school needs major repairs to house the DPW and oh ya, the DPW
needs upgrading. But hey, whats a few more million?
8:26 pm est 

Budgetary Magic

"two positions before, two positions now for less money.  How is that
not a good thing to do?"


Where are those spin doctors when you need them?  Surely someone can spin this
into a negative.
8:23 pm est 

Town of Wellfleet Police Station

I believe a previous poster may have inadvertently confused the new Wellfleet
fire station on Route 6 with the police station.

I checked the Wellfleet Assessor's database. and the fire station was built in
2008 at a cost of $5,415,300. Most of the facility consists of bays for fire and
ambulance vehicles. Of course, equipment bays are the major part of any fire
station.

The police station is located on Main Street. The only useful information is
that the site was acquired in 1977. There are no construction costs available.
I'm guessing that, as in Provincetown, that information is only available online
from a certain date forward and that you would have to refer back to earlier
paper records to find the information.

By way of contrast, the Town of Truro's Assessor's database contains almost no
information on any properties that the Town owns on Route 6 where the police
station is located. Why? Who knows. Maybe they are just not up to date.



8:20 pm est 

More Waste!

I just read that the school committee will be asking town meeting for
even more money than the school budget asks! They want the town to pay out of
our CPA funds to build yet another play ground just a few yards from the one
next to the old elementary school, because they think its too hard to climb the
steps up to it. That's really wasting our tax dollars. Climbing stairs is good
exercise.
8:18 pm est 

New Police Station

The reason interest rates are low is because the economy is in bad shape.
Some Town Hall-ites and FinComm-sters may not know it, but it's tough living
here for many people. Those who work hard and play by the rules don't want all
this fancy.

AND: I don't care about bond rating agencies. I care about my credit score! The
more your good ideas get into my wallet the worse off I am.

SO: Fix up the police station. Make it deluxe. $2 Million tops
8:16 pm est 

Real Problems

Someone recently posted here about the problems that exist behind and
around The Boatslip after the bars close down. I say KUDOS to a police patrol of
that area! My God, I pity anyone that owns a piece of property in that area!
It's an absolutely horrendous and terribly embarrassing spectacle if you are
ever unfortunate enough to be in that area after 1 am! Men climb all over the
area there, knocking down fences, breaking into gates and sneaking into any area
that's (out of the way). That is of course with the exemption of the ones that
like the publicity of letting it all "hang out" no matter where they go! Its all
very obscene and not appropriate when you consider how much these buffoons have
paid for sleeping accommodations here! And let's not forget the after effects of
their evening pleasure romp - used and dirty needles, drug paraphernalia,
cigarettes, condoms, etc., litter the beaches around that area awaiting the tide
to remove the filth and debris into the!
  harbor for the unfortunate fish, shellfish and swimmers! What a dangerous
eyesore and health issue it all has become. This is a REAL issue that the Town
should look into more thoroughly. The Band-Aid effect of an occasional patrolman
walking the beach solved absolutely nothing!

Chief Jarran, if you want to make a difference here,  take care of the REAL
problems and leave the Pier to the Harbormasters!

My two cents worth
8:13 pm est 

My Thoughts on the Need for a New Police Station

Many of us have been in the library, the Town Hall and even in the
schools for Town meeting or a play and for many people these institutions are
part of the warp and woof of their lives. The police headquarters, however, is
restricted and avoided and isn't even a consideration as we go about our daily
lives.

However now it needs your attention in the most serious way because It needs to
be replaced and people will bring up the cost and other factors but the truth is
that it is our civic duty to build a new police headquarters.

If our teachers and students had to teach and learn in a school that was in the
same condition as the Police Headquarters, there would be a hue and cry and
demand for a new school building that would continue unabated until one was
built.

However, because it is the dilapidated, unsafe police headquarters, the attitude
is one of indifference.
We are the taxpayers who fund the positions in this town. It is our responsibly
as tax payers to adhere to the tenants of decency and fairness and honor the
principal of doing what needs to be done and that requires creating a new, safe
and secure and proper police headquarters.

I've read the report describing the poor, unsafe condition of the current
building and a few years ago I toured the building and since then the sewage has
backed up etc.
On March 12th at 5pm, the subject of the need for a new police headquarters will
be discussed at the selectmen's meeting. People should first read the report and
then attend the meeting.

Yes, cost is involved: but research will tell you that in this day and age, the
cost is about average to what all other communities have spent and some have
actually spent more. Harwich, Nantucket, Chatham, Dennis, and Sandwich have all
built new stations over the last 5 years.

I am a taxpayer and I work here in town and raising taxes is a sacrifice for me
and for many others--especially senior citizens who are fretting over the costs
of living in this town, but it is our civic duty as citizens of Provincetown to
build a new police headquarters that is safe and secure for the police officers
in this town.

Michael Rogovsky
8:10 pm est 

The Truth is Finally Coming Out-Public Housing Authority

Since the public has been grossly misled by one reporter and some individuals,
lets look at the actual statement the state DHCD sent to the cape cod times
about the Housing Authority. Here it is. Read it for yourselves. Funny thing,
the Housing Authority isn't criticized. And it appears that some of the delay is
attributed to the Community Housing Council (affordable housing trust fund) lack
of quorum. Now isn't that a funny turn of the tale. Also note, the Pearl Street
unit went vacant June 2011.

**********************************************************

Provincetown Housing Authority:


STATEMENT
It is unacceptable for a much needed affordable housing unit to sit vacant for
nearly a year, DHCD expects the PHA to be actively seeking the funding to
renovate the unit. DHCD has and will continue to work with the Provincetown
Housing Authority to identify funding that will enable them to bring their one
vacant housing unit back online to serve a low income family in need of housing

BACKGROUND

·       Housing authorities are independent, local entities and the LHA boards
are responsible for oversight of the authority. These LHA boards consist of one
gubernatorial appointee and four locally elected or appointed members.
·       DHCD received a copy of the letters of resignation for Harriet Gordon
and Tom Roberts on 2/3/2012 citing a frustration with the boards unwillingness
to make changes. Both of these board members were appointed by the Town Manager.
·       The Provincetown Housing Authority currently has one vacant unit, the
unit has been offline for nearly one year and requires improvements before
bringing it back online. DHCD staff has been working with the Provincetown
Housing Authority, encouraging the Executive Director to apply for alternative
funding sources that would enable them to bring units back online. PHA was
invited to apply for funding through the Affordable Housing Trust Fund Vacant
Unit Initiative but an application was never submitted. DHCD continues to work
with the executive director to determine other funding sources and offering our
support.
·       Unit turnover at the Provincetown Housing Authority averages about 40
days. DHCD staff has no record of tenant complaints from the Provincetown
Housing Authority.

·       The Provincetown Housing Authority did apply for local funding to
renovate the vacant unit but the funding has been stalled due to lack of a
quorum on the Provincetown Affordable Housing Trust Fund board since August.
·       Since 2007, the Patrick-Murray Administration has invested nearly $400 M
in capital improvements to the public housing portfolio in an effort to preserve
public housing for those who need it most. The Administration has also increased
operating subsidies to help maintain housing and recently proposed a $4M
increase in operating subsidy in the FY13 budget.

Mary-Leah Assad
Communications Specialist
Department of Housing and Community Development
100 Cambridge Street, 4th Floor
Boston, MA 02114
8:05 pm est 

Re: Taxation

Re: "Taxation without! Representation is alive and well in Provincetown.  Not so,
just register to vote here..."


Over 80% of the town's tax payers are not year round residents and are NOT
eligible to register to vote here. They earn their income else where to maintain
property in Provincetown. Their tax money is used to run the town and they have
no say as to how it is spent.  They can not vote for town officials either. 
So... Taxation without representation.

8:02 pm est 

Wheel Within a Wheel Within a Wheel

Re: "Taxation without! representation is alive and well in
Provincetown."

Re: "Not so, just register to vote here."


Re: "Perhaps the person was referring to the fact he/she is elderly and unable to
go to town meeting."


And perhaps the sun came up in the west. More likely it's a second home owner
trying to have it both ways.
8:00 pm est 

New Police Station Estimate

"Low rates and the fact that Jaran wants new toys does not demand a new
police station.  That isn't "prejudice" against the police, that is just fiscal insanity"



Fiscal insanity?   When the employees who work in that building start getting
sick I hope they take this town to the cleaners.  And to the employees who work
there I hope your health holds up, but if you do get sick, get yourself a good
lawyer.
7:57 pm est 

No Excuse? A Fools Tale

"Town Hall has an elevator. There is no reason why anyone can not vote
at town meeting."


So did you hear that seniors?  You have no reason not to be at town meeting
sitting in those wooden chairs voting on issues that are important.  Apparently
if you are not showing up you are just lazy cause the previous writer says you
can't possibly have a legitimate reason as to why you can't be there.

7:54 pm est 

Police Station

The Police Station should build space at the fire station like so many
other towns do. I hear the fire department doesn't want it but who cares. Shank
Painter Road is where it should be. Not across the highway. Or use the high
school. The elementary school doesn't need that whole building.
7:51 pm est 

A Cautionary Tale....

Feb. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Stockton, California, may take the first steps toward
becoming the most populous U.S. city to file for bankruptcy next week, according
to a revised City Council agenda released today.

Local officials will consider whether to begin a type of mediation that allows
creditors to participate, the first move toward a Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing
under a new state law, according to the agenda. They also will weigh suspending
some debt payments for the rest of the year and investigating the causes of the
citys fiscal crisis, the agenda said.

Using the states bankruptcy process is a means to negotiate with creditors with
the goal of restructuring, City Manager Bob Deis said at a press briefing. The
city, a farming center about 80 miles (130 kilometers) east of San Francisco,
has been hurt by high salary and benefit costs, bookkeeping errors and poor
fiscal management during the recession, he said.

Pension promises made to city workers are similar to a Ponzi scheme, Deis said
at Stocktons City Hall. He said the city has a $450 million unfunded liability
for retirement costs.

Stockton, with about $702 million of long-term bond debt, according to its
financial statement, has fought to avert bankruptcy by shrinking its payroll,
including a quarter of the roughly 425-member police force. At 292,000, the city
has more than twice as many residents as Vallejo, California, which became a
national symbol for distressed municipal finance in 2008 when it sought
protection from creditors.

This goes on in private practice all the time, Marc Levinson, a partner with
the Sacramento-based law firm Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, which is
representing Stockton, said at todays briefing. We see no alternative but to
restructure.

Suspending Debt Payments

The Stockton City Council will meet on Feb. 28 to consider whether to begin a
type of mediation that allows creditors to participate, the first move toward a
Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing under a new state law, according to the meeting
agenda. They also will weigh suspending some debt payments for the rest of the
year and investigating the causes of the citys fiscal crisis, the agenda said.

We havent talked to them about it, but where we could help, we would, Governor
Jerry Brown, a Democrat, said today in an interview in Washington.

Public-safety costs consume almost 80 percent of the citys general fund, said
Susan Mayer, who was Stocktons chief financial officer until retiring last week.

Its kabuki theater, James Spiotto, head of the bankruptcy practice at
Chicago-based law firm Chapman & Cutler, said yesterday in a telephone
interview. They are saying to people, Do you really want to see how bad it can
get?

Ratings on Review

The council will also be asked to pay Management Partners $175,000 for project
management and technical assistance during the state-required mediation. The
city hired the Cincinnati- based firm in December to evaluate its finances.

Moodys Investors Service today placed Stocktons long-term ratings on review for
possible downgrade. The review includes the citys Baa1 issuer rating, the Baa2
rating on the citys 2007 pension-obligation bonds and the Baa3 rating on its
2006A lease-revenue bonds. The review is the result of the citys potential,
near-term consideration of a bankruptcy filing and affects about $341 million in
debt, Moodys said in a statement.

Stockton had the eighth-highest violent crime rate in the country in 2010; the
second-highest foreclosure rate in the U.S., behind Las Vegas; and the
eighth-highest unemployment, at 15.9 percent in December, almost double the
national average.

Most Miserable City

Such factors helped earn Stockton the title of most miserable city in the U.S.
twice in the past four years by Forbes.com, out of the 200 largest metropolitan
statistical areas. In November, Moodys downgraded about $137.7 million of its
debt to the third-lowest investment grade, citing Stocktons precarious financial
position.

A Stockton sewer bond rated A, sixth-highest, by Standard & Poors and maturing
in April 2022 traded Feb. 21 at an average yield of about 6.2 percent, according
to Bloomberg Bond Trader prices. Thats more than double the 2.9 percent for a
similarly rated index of 10-year general-obligation municipal debt.

Management has had increasingly scarce dollars to spend, so their willingness
to keep bondholder payments coming is being tested, Matt Fabian, managing
director of Concord, Massachusetts-based Municipal Market Advisors, said
yesterday by e-mail. The less they think they will need market access in the
future, the more they may be inclined to push losses to debtholders.

Legal Fees

The city can expect to pay $20 million in legal fees if it pursues bankruptcy,
Dale Fritchen, a member of Stocktons City Council, said yesterday in a telephone
interview.

Municipal bankruptcy wont just erase all your debt so we are still going to
have to make cuts to balance the budget and on top of those cuts come up with
the $20 million extra for legal fees, he said.

A state law backed by unions and passed last year in response to Vallejos
bankruptcy requires cities to work with a neutral evaluator for at least 60 days
before seeking bankruptcy court protection. The process is similar to mediation
and gives creditors a right to participate. It can be bypassed if the city
declares a fiscal emergency, according to the law.

What the neutral evaluator does is set up a forum for people to sit down and
try to negotiate a result, Spiotto said. You have the threat of bankruptcy --
the or else -- staring you right in the face.

Since 1937, 635 municipalities have filed for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection,
Spiotto said. Stockton would be the biggest city to do so, he said.
7:49 pm est 

Existence of a Comprehensive Study in Doubt

I have not seen a comprehensive study determining the cost of
renovating the existing police station. I could be wrong but I don't believe one
exists.

As finance committee member I'm sure you will be attending the joint
Selectmen/finance committee meeting about the plans for the project on March
12th.  You can ask the question and report back to us.
7:45 pm est 

Unintended Consequences

"Wondrous how cell phones and computers make life so easy and
collecting $600.00 a week on unemployment is so effortless."


You may complain all you want about those taking unemployment, but there a
number of posters on this blog who feel the town should keep and create more
summer jobs.  Summer jobs that collect unemployment a minimum of 5 months a
year.
7:41 pm est 

Police Station Construction

"Certainly, it could not be nearly as expensive as a ballpark price tag
of 7 to 10 million?"


Remember the ? about Yingling's construction degree or lack thereof?  Yet, he
knows more than anyone else regarding the cost of constrcution.
7:31 pm est 

Library Failed Leadership

I don't know who is charge of the library, they do come and go, don't
they?  But the current Major General needs to rethink mistreating the staff,
especially the elderly ones (this might be more serious, than just
reprehensible).

We know that you operate with the patronage of town hall's women's clique and
thus feel safe, but there are decent people in this town who watch, and protect.
7:29 pm est 

Re: Police Station

"I'd prefer to pay my own bills rather than fund a bad case of brick envy"

Well said!
2:03 pm est 

Re: Debt - Bond Ratings

"bond rating agencies rate us pretty highly"

Those very same rating agencies rated billions of dollars of CDA housing bonds
even higher than us!  Before those collapsed and sold for pennies on the dollar.

And they also rated Fannie and Freddie bonds higher than us, before those two
had to be rescued by the taxpayers from utter failure to the tune of over $150
billion and growing.

That's some source to quote and rely on.


2:01 pm est 

Re: Police Station

Good Afternoon,

I have a copy of the document in question Re: the police station.

I just e-mailed the webmaster of this site in hopes of uploading it.

In the meantime, I am happy to e-mail you a copy of the report.  e-mail me at
erikyingling@gmail.com

My two cents:

-The police station is clearly in disrepair

-a number of aspects are not up to code

-over flowing sewer in the past has posed a danger to the 9-1-1 dispatching
system. This is unacceptable.

However;

-I have not seen a comprehensive study determining the cost of renovating the
existing police station. I could be wrong but I don't believe one exists.

-the town manager stated in a memo that moving the police station into trailers
(similar to the make-shift town hall) would be cost prohibitive while
renovations were completed. the question is: what is the definition of "cost
prohibitive?"

Certainly, it could not be nearly as expensive as a ballpark price tag of 7 to
10 million?

Some food for thought.

Best,

Erik Yingling


1:07 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

Lowest Interest Rates

"There isn't a better time to build a police station with these low interest
rates."


I'd prefer to pay my own bills rather than fund a bad case of brick envy! But,
yes, money is cheap when you are spending mine.
12:37 pm est 

Re: Taxation and Town Meeting

Town Hall has an elevator. There is no reason why anyone can not vote
at town meeting.
12:35 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

We have asked repeatedly for a link to the study that was done
regarding the police station, or where we can request a copy of that study. 
None has been forthcoming so it must be the world's best kept secret.

Nothing has been "mandated" until the town votes on it.  Just FYI.

Low rates and the fact that Jaran wants new toys does not demand a new police
station.  That isn't "prejudice" against the police, that is just fiscal
prudence.

Furthermore, nobody has answered the relatively pertinent question:  What did
the new stations in Wellfleet and Truro cost?

(Also, thank you to the person who actually offered some concrete suggestions
about using other facilities rather than spending $7-10 million on something
new.  Time to think outside the box.)

12:31 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

You can not build anything on the land of the dog park or the Jerome
smith parking lot. They have sewer fields under them.
12:28 pm est 

Re: Damned if She Does, Damned if She Doesn't

"two positions before, two positions now for less money.  How is that
not a good thing to do?"



Spot on.  I realize those of you who dislike Sharon and/or town staff will
always try to blame them for everything, but repeating this writer, how is this
a bad thing?
12:15 pm est 

Collecting & Lounging in South America

My coworker sent a lovely e-mail about enjoying the winter in his little
bungalow on the Beach. Carnival was just lovely. South America is so lovely this
time of year.

He wants to know how the affordable housing is coming along and wonders if he
should fly up here, put on a threadbare jacket and limp into the housing office
and quietly ask if he can put his name in for a two bedroom unit.

Wondrous how cell phones and computers make life so easy and collecting $600.00
a week on unemployment is so effortless.

Don't worry, he'll be back up by Memorial day for his twenty something season in
Provincetown.
12:12 pm est 

New Police Headquarters

Don't you think that every possibility for a new police headquarters has been
exhaustively pursued? The dog park would be the perfect place!

Across the street at the Jerome St. Parking lot would be excellent too in my
estimation.

Few of you realize that a professional and thorough study was undertaken and
every part of the police headquarters scrutinized and the ultimatum is that a
new police headquarters was mandated.
12:08 pm est 

Lowest Interest Rates

There isn't a better time to build a police station with these low interest
rates.
12:06 pm est 

Bow Down to the School

The school and it proponents refused to let Town Hall move temporarily into the
school thus requiring the tax payers to pay for the rental of the trailers etc.
etc.

Now you want to tear up the workings of a police station and place them all over
town?

Don't you see the prejudice against the police who spend heir careers working in
this town? You should be ashamed of yourself.
12:05 pm est 

Re: Debt

Since the municipal bond rating agencies rate us pretty highly I'd say
you are wrong about "Provincetown's huge debt."

Provincetown's 'huge debt' is mostly related to sewer construction, the cost of
which is paid by those connected to the sewer.  Costs which other towns on the
Cape are just now starting to take on.
12:03 pm est 

Re: Taxation

Re: Taxation without! representation is alive and well in Provincetown.

 Re: "Not so, just register to vote here."


Perhaps the person was referring to the fact he/she is elderly and unable to go
to town meeting.  He/she is truly taxed without representation.
12:01 pm est 

Damned if She Does, Damned if She Doesn't

". . .Just another way to create more town jobs and Town Manager Sharon
Lynn spins it as a $13,000 savings.  Only in Provincetown can we
add a job and position it with the public as a cost savings."



Two points

*two positions before, two positions now for less money.  How is that not a good
thing to do?

*can you see how town staff might be confused about what residents want?  Point
3 of Yingling's post was that the town should create more jobs, you rip the TM
when you think she may have created more jobs (which she didn't, see point 1
above)

Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
11:55 am est 

Re: New Police Station

Does anyone know has Town Hall looked into alternatives like these
before asking us to spend $10 Million????


Yes, they did.  Mr. Blogmaster,  I'm surprised at your silence, I thought i
heard you were part of the group.
11:48 am est 

Re: Taxation

If you don't vote here, you have no right to complain! Plain, simple,
and the American way.
11:47 am est 

New Police Station

The high school is not obsolete! It is now the elementary school. It
can not be the police station!
11:45 am est 

Thursday, February 23, 2012

Re: Taxation

Re:Taxation without! representation is alive and well in Provincetown.

Not so, just register to vote here.
10:39 pm est 

Re: New Police Station
"The alternative isn't the "what ifs" you list. The alternative should be the
consideration of less costly options
. For example:

> Use part of the Freeman Street Building for Communications Operations which
will free up space in the main Police Station. If not Freeman, try the Fire
Station or Library basement! >Move police fleet operations to the DPW yard.>
Move the Parking Office window to the Town Hall and the parking fleet to the DPW
yard  > Fence the back lot of police station.> Move what is now in the basement
to a new addition on the rear or church side of the existing building. > Fix the
plumbing. (We have residents who are plumbers.) These are imperfect suggestions,
but they are representative of the process that should have taken place before
deciding  to spend $10 million of our money.
"

Does anyone know has Town Hall looked into alternatives like these before asking
us to spend $10 Million????
10:33 pm est 

Thoughts for the Day

1. Yes, its true.  people act like no one reads this blog yet i am amazed how
many people mention reading something on it , to me.

2. We don't need a Taj Majal police station. everyone knows this. can we stop
it?

3. Erik Y. yes, this kid would be fun to see on the BofS. Run him soon before he
realizes how mean people can be...or maybe he already knows.

4. Michelle Couture. i hear that she isn't really appointed to the housing board
after all. is this true? what the heck is she up to? what happened?

5. Grassy Santos was right about herring cove beach. now, will the seashore do
the right thing?

Slippery Clam
7:48 pm est 

Re: Wages

According to the Congressional Research Service, 413 retired Members of Congress
were receiving federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional
service as of Oct. 1, 2006. Of this number, 290 had retired under CSRS and were
receiving an average annual pension of $60,972. A total of 123 Members had
retired with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only.
Their average annual pension was $35,952 in 2006.
7:46 pm est 

Stop Spending Monies We Don't Have!

If this town actually approves 7-10 million for a new police station,
heads should be examined, by teams of experts, not just one.  What about the
soon to be obsolete High School?  What is the future of this large building with
more than enough square footage to house a "state-of-art" police station
centrally located, and a more than substantial storm shelter and maybe even a
needed "walk-in" dental, general health or drug clinic.  Perhaps even an elder
"day care" center and a few rooms dedicated to what kids are left and pet care
and needs????.  With not more than a little organization and hard local, that is
LOCAL, work.

Don't pay dearly to outsource to Boston and beyond to infinity to find out what
we need.  7-10 million should not be an option, even with low rates.  Common
fiscal sense screams remodel an existing structure and focus on infrastructure,
the key card to the future of this town.  Border towns with high crime don't
need police stations of such price.  Low rates or not, Ptown should be avoiding
borrowing to fund it's basic needs.  What happened to the artistic, imaginative
element this town supposedly has?  What will happen in 2 years when Town Hall
needs a complete touch-up painting or was the type of paint purchased to begin
with the kind that is immune to the negative effects of salt as anyone building
in a seaside town would recommend?

More than enough 'GROUND" has been broken here to put up new construction.  This
town does not deserve the rampant rant of clear cutting taking place for any
reason.  ANY REASON.

Use what you have, maximize existing resources, use common sense, if you have to
borrow to get it (just like a HDTV), don't buy it.
Plain and simple.



7:44 pm est 

Re: Police Force Budgetary Issues

"Can anyone tell me where I can find the operating budget for
The police department and the crime stats for last year?"


You could call town finance director for the budget and the police dept for
crime stats.
7:41 pm est 

Hidden Costs
 
I think I'm more worried about the potential liability costs that are out there. 
We know the station is in bad shape, what happens when employees start getting
sick from working in the building?  What happens when an inmate gets injured in
a building we know isn't safe?  What happens when some work force authority
steps in during the middle of July and says all employees must be immediately
moved out  of a building with unsafe working conditions?

It's common knowledge the building is in very bad shape.  Don't you think some
ambulance chasing lawyer would love to take on any of these cases against the
town?
7:39 pm est 

Re: Debt

RE: "the operating budget for The police department"

I think, like with all departments, you can find the operating costs for the
police department, including salaries, in the town annual report which is
available through the town web site. You can probably call the police department
to obtain crime statistics.
7:37 pm est 

Re: Debt

What matters with debt is ability to repay it. This means annual cash flow.
Annual cash flow is determined directly from assessed values of properties, ergo
the relevance of assessed values. Cash flow in our town is not determined by the
number of full time residents.
7:36 pm est 

Re: Debt

 RE:"Provincetown's huge debt, which as others have pointed out does
not include the long-term pension liabilities, will come home to roost."


Since the municipal bond rating agencies rate us pretty highly I'd say you are
wrong about "Provincetown's huge debt." The per capita stat is meaningless in a
town where most of the property is owned by people who aren't residents.
7:34 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

 To the perdon who posted this:

"If you are getting your information from Yingling then you are in worse shape
than I could have imagined.  I'd be curious as to when he received his degree in
construction management, the degree that obviously he feels makes him so
qualified to lead you in a discussion on building needs."

Can you please show me where in Eric's comments, he conveys being knowledgeable
about, or having a degree in, construction management?

I couldn't find any evidence to support your allegations above.

7:32 pm est 

Re: New Police Station

 "The alternative [to a new plocie station] isn't the "what ifs" you
list. The alternative should be the consideration of less costly options. For
example....."

Wonderful post!  YOU are the one who shoud run for BOS.  Or at least keep
pushing your ideas, as they make great sense.
7:31 pm est 

Re: Back Then

Thank you for "BackThen"...all so true!,
7:27 pm est 

Grace Hall Parking

Can someone clarify if the Grace Hall seasonal parking attendants get
pensions?

Someone said that these Grace Hall seasonal parking atttendants get pensions?

I thought it was Dominic the one who got an increase in salary, plus a bonus and
a pension.  He's, by the way, the one proposing to eliminate the seasonal
attendants.  Hey, at least, he took care of his own hide!  Savings, schmavings!
7:07 pm est 

Re: Wages

um, except only the president has a salary for life.  Not the others.

Otherwise, GREAT POST!
7:01 pm est 

Re: Back Then

Excellent job on this, brought a smile to my face while reading it, how true it
is, even triggered some memories. There is never a bad time for a good laugh.

Thank you,
Over Forty Alumnus
6:59 pm est 

Day Late and a Pound Short

Provincetown hasn't reported its crime statistics since 2006.
Another example of how Ptown can't seem to do what every other town does yet it
has more money, a larger staff and much larger payroll.

Massachusetts State Police, Crime Reporting Unit,  http://www.ucrstats.com/
6:58 pm est 

Public Health and Budgetary Issues

Public health and safety officer picks up health inspection duties.


The health agent position was eliminated and responsibilities were picked up by
the health and environmental affairs manager, which has now been made
"supervisory in nature."  Just another way to create more town jobs and Town
Manager Sharon Lynn spins it as a $13,000 savings.  Only in Provincetown can we
add a job and position it with the public as a cost savings.  True cost savings
is when a job is eliminated and we make individuals with capacity pick up
additional responsibilities.  Let's just keep adding jobs because no full time
resident should be forced to live here without a paycheck, benefits, a soup
kitchen for free lunch and subsidized housing.  The rest of the country is
tightening their belts, but not here! It is the property owners who pay for most
of this, but it is the residents with their hands out that are the ones able to
vote at town meetings, approving unreasonable expenditures.  All property owners
/ tax payers should have an equal say.  Taxation without!
  representation is alive and well in Provincetown.  Even the Banner offers
lower rates to locals: $42.00 and it is $75.00 to out of town delivery.
6:57 pm est 

Police Force Budget Data?-Where is It?

Can anyone tell me where I can find the operating budget for
The police department and the crime stats for last year?
I have tried to find it on various sites to no avail. I did find
The ratio of police to citizens,which is higher than most cape towns
When comparing to crime in ptown.
11:27 am est 

Wages

Salary of retired US Presidents.......... $450,000 FOR LIFE

Salary of House/Senate members........... $174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House........... $223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders...... $193,400 FOR LIFE

Average salary of a soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN...............................$38,000

Average income for seniors of SOCIAL SECURITY.. $12,000

I think we found where the cuts should be made!!!!!!
11:23 am est 

Cops on the Pier

They will put a stop to the drugs coming into town via any boats.
11:21 am est 

Back Then!

Dear Webmaster - I think in these crazy times of politics and wateful
spending, a laugh is often the best medicine! I wrote this myself and think your
readership will appreciate it, especially those of us over 40!!!

If you are 40, or older, you might think this is hilarious! If not, read it
anyway!!!


When I was a kid, adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious diatribes
about how hard things were.. When they were growing up; what with walking
twenty-five miles to school every morning.... Uphill... Barefoot... BOTH
ways...yadda, yadda, yadda

And I remember promising myself that when I grew up, there was no way in hell I
was going to lay a bunch of crap like that on my kids about how hard I had it
and how easy they've got it!

But now that I'm over the ripe old age of forty, I can't help but look around
and notice the youth of today. You've got it so easy! I mean, compared to my
childhood, you live in a damn Utopia! And I hate to say it, but you kids today,
you don't know how good you've got it!

1) I mean, when I was a kid we didn't have the Internet. If we wanted to know
something, we had to go to the damn library and look it up ourselves, in the
card catalog!!

2) There was no email!! We had to actually write somebody a letter - with a pen!
Then you had to walk all the way across the street and put it in the mailbox,
and it would take like a week to get there! Stamps were 10 cents!

3) Child Protective Services didn't care if our parents beat us. As a matter of
fact, the parents of all my friends also had permission to kick our ass! Nowhere
was safe!

4) There were no MP3's or Napsters or iTunes! If you wanted to steal music, you
had to hitchhike to the record store and shoplift it yourself!

5) Or you had to wait around all day to tape it off the radio, and the DJ would
usually talk over the beginning and @#*% it all up! There were no CD players! We
had tape decks in our car. We'd play our favorite tape and "eject" it when
finished, and then the tape would come undone rendering it useless. Cause, hey,
that's how we rolled, Baby! Dig?

6) We didn't have fancy crap like Call Waiting! If you were on the phone and
somebody else called, they got a busy signal, that's it!

7) There weren't any freakin' cell phones either. If you left the house, you
just didn't make a damn call or receive one. You actually had to be out of touch
with your "friends". OH MY GOSH !!! Think of the horror... not being in touch
with someone 24/7!!! And then there's TEXTING. Yeah, right. Please! You kids
have no idea how annoying you are.

8) And we didn't have fancy Caller ID either! When the phone rang, you had no
idea who it was! It could be your school, your parents, your boss, your bookie,
your drug dealer, the collection agent... you just didn't know!!! You had to
pick it up and take your chances, mister!

9) We didn't have any fancy PlayStation or Xbox video games with high-resolution
3-D graphics! We had the Atari 2600! With games like 'Space Invaders' and
'Asteroids'. Your screen guy was a little square! You actually had to use your
imagination!!! And there were no multiple levels or screens, it was just one
screen.. Forever! And you could never win. The game just kept getting harder and
harder and faster and faster until you died! Just like LIFE!

10) You had to use a little book called a TV Guide to find out what was on! You
were screwed when it came to channel surfing! You had to get off your ass and
walk over to the TV to change the channel!!! NO REMOTES!!! Oh, no, what's the
world coming to?!?!

11) There was no Cartoon Network either! You could only get cartoons on Saturday
Morning. Do you hear what I'm saying? We had to wait ALL WEEK for cartoons, you
spoiled little rats!

12) And we didn't have microwaves. If we wanted to heat something up, we had to
use the stove! Imagine that!

13) And our parents told us to stay outside and play... all day long. Oh, no, no
electronics to soothe and comfort. And if you came back inside... you were doing
chores!

And car seats - oh, please! Mom threw you in the back seat and you hung on. If
you were lucky, you got the "safety arm" across the chest at the last moment if
she had to stop suddenly, and if your head hit the dashboard, well that was your
fault for calling "shot gun" in the first place!

See! That's exactly what I'm talking about! You kids today have got it too easy.
You're spoiled rotten! You guys wouldn't have lasted five minutes back in 1970
or any time before!

Regards,

The Over 40 Crowd





11:18 am est 

New Police Station and Debt

I have read here on several occasions about the Police being used on
the pier. My question here is why? Also, what about the Pier Corp? Are they in
favor of this move? If so, again I ask, why? I have been told by a couple of
people that the Pier Corp. is saying that this is a "Pilot Program".  When did
the need arise that required a full time police presence on the pier?
Personally, in the thirty odd years I have lived here, I can recall no incidents
of crime on the pier that forced a need to bring out the troops! Don't the
Harbormasters have police radios to call the police if they are needed? IS THE
RESPONSE TIME FROM THE TOWN CENTER TO THE END OF THE PIER SO GREAT THAT COPS
NEED TO BE POSITIONED ON THE PIER FULL TIME?

This all sounds like lunacy and a HUGE waste of taxpayer's money! With all of
the real problems that exist in our town, why are we going to waste valuable
resources in this way? If the Chief feels a need to hire more detectives, why
not have them in plain clothes and station them in some of the local watering
holes that are known havens for drug dealing and other crimes? That seems to me
like a much better use of these funds! Why not focus on the REAL crime areas in
town? We have Harbormaster's and Coast Guard to handle the few minor issues on
the pier and harbor. I'm sure that the Harbormasters can be appropriately
trained to handle such incidents there and if the need arises, the police radio
is on hand to dispatch the police if they are needed.

It seems to me that our Police Chief is out of control! More and more officers
are being hired; he wants a new $7-$10,000,000 police station, what's next?
Perhaps he should station officers at the Monument and a few at Seashore Point
and a couple at the Post Office - these are surely known high crime areas too!
Next he could place cops in the Municipal parking lots and have them walk up and
down Shank Painter Road and Conwell Street!

Why not deal with actual trouble spots in town that folks have complained about
for years? Behind the Boatslip after the bars close is a thought! Why not have
patrols of the beach in that area each evening? Perhaps then, the property
damage that Commercial Street property owners deal with regularly will stop!
What about the massive crowds in front of Spiritus every night? Why cant this
problem be dealt with effectively? If any other business had crowds of this size
blocking the sidewalks and street, theyd be forced to shut down! Selective
enforcement, no enforcement, and over enforcement where there is no need; this
sounds like a formula for disaster and a massive waste of tax dollars that are
sure needed elsewhere (paving our streets, etc.)!




11:11 am est 

Re: Erik Yingling

Thank you for your info that Joe and Jane Doe
doesn't have access to for various reasons. By your membership on Fin Com you
didn't forfeit your right as an independent free thinker.  When someone wrote
that you are not a team player,that's frightening that some think you should go
against your grain of thinking in order to vote what you don't believe.

Take out paprs for the Bd of S.  Your young energetic common sense is needed.
by someone not afraid to buck the system in the best interest of this Town that
you grew up in and have witnessed all the political shenanigans along the way. 

All governments are fraught with untruths in order to satisfy their own agendas at
tax payers expense.  Carry on,no need to apologize for your public atatements.
11:05 am est 

7 or 8 Million-What is the Information Source?

1.Who came up with this price tag for a new Police Headquarters?

2.Does this include any grants from Homeland Security or other sources?

3. Great that this discussion is happening now rather than on town hall floor.
March 12th is the meeting. is there a way to learn some facts in advance of the
meeting?
11:01 am est 

Re: Eric Yingling

Eric is "against the proposed Capital Improvements Program (CIP)
expenditure at Grace Hall Parking Lot. It is an unnecessary expenditure with
only a marginal financial benefit to the town. Moreover, it is a job-killer at a
time when you should be shepherding the creation of more jobs to strengthen our
local economy."

Maybe he would support the removal of all trash barrels from around town so that
tourists and local residents would have the incentive to just toss their trash
on the ground.  We can just hire some year round residents to be trash
collectors.  This would be a positive way to spend tax dollars and create jobs. 
After all, Eric, it is about spending the tax payers money, even when it is not
absolutely necessary.  Youre just the kind of person we want as an elected
official.  Come up with ideas to cut spending and you may get my vote.  We don't
need someone new to come in to add more dead beats to the town's pay roll.

10:59 am est 

Re: Debt

Costs seem high but I guess you have to balance it against the
alternative:

- what's the cost to town if someone dies in custody due to certified poor
facilities?

"Certified" is a very specific word.  Did someone actually say that the facility
was "certified" poor or did the inspector just say that they needed upgrading. 
Big difference in my view.

- what's the cost to town if our current station blows off its little hump in a
bad hurricane or is flooded?


Isn't it insured?  I guess they'll have to rebuild it just like they would have
to rebuild my house.  Hurricanes will typically hit in the offseason.  I guess
they'd have to improvise until they were back in their facility.

- what's the ongoing cost of trying to limp along with what we have?

No idea, but it has to be < $7-10 million

Another factor, if we do HAVE to do it, now seems a darn good time to be
borrowing money as interest rates won't be this low again ever for muni
governments.

This I completely agree with, but we don't have to borrow the money.

All that said, until we address the massive underfunded retirement problem I
can't see how we can do anything else. Not much discussion of that on here BTW.

Eventually, the town will have to file Chapter 11 and the underfunded
retirement problem will completely go away.  They'll get nothing.  Which, I
think is immoral and unfair but it's what's going to happen all around the
country.

Out of curiosity how much did the main fire station cost to build?
10:57 am est 

Re: Debt

"Per capita debt is a completely meaningless statistic."

The financial experts seem to disagree with you, since that statistic is tracked
for every community and state in the country and readily available for
comparisons.

It's a truer meassure of long-term financial health than one based solely on
assessed house values, unless you think they can only go up forever (oops, we
now know that's not true); especially for a tourist area that can go out of
favor - think Atlantic City before the casinos, or the Catskills before and now
- 2nd home owners are not obliged to own here.

Provincetown's huge debt, which as others have pointed out does not include the
long-term pension liabilities, will come home to roost.
10:51 am est 

Re: New Police Station

You wrote:

"Costs seem high but I guess you have to balance it against the alternative":

I respond:

The alternative isn't the "what ifs" you list. The alternative should be the
consideration of less costly options. For example:

> Use part of the Freeman Street Building for Communications Operations which
will free up space in the main Police Station. If not Freeman, try the Fire
Station or Library basement!

>Move police fleet operations to the DPW yard.

> Move the Parking Office window to the Town Hall and the parking fleet to the
DPW yard

> Fence the back lot of police station.

> Move what is now in the basement to a new addition on the rear or church side
of the existing building.

> Fix the plumbing. (We have residents who are plumbers.)

These are imperfect suggestions, but they are representative of the process that
should have taken place before deciding  to spend $10 million of our money.
10:48 am est 

Missing Jetties Blamed For Herring Cove Erosion 10:44 am est 

It Just Gets Better

I am amazed at what I have been hearing lately. The stories I have heard about
our Police Chief. It's amazing how he holds his Officers accountable for what
they do on and off duty but "he is never held accountable by the Town Manager"
what he does. Amazing isn't it. How this Police Chief can do what he has done
off duty and then come back to work every day like it's okay, appalls me. I
think the people in this town need to wake up and do more than smell the coffee.
10:43 am est 

J. Edgar Hoover vs Evita

What is all this cop nonsense?  Just stop it now.  We dont need more
cops, a bigger police station, or a more powerful police force. This is all
happening because the town manager is a cop.  We dont want them or need them.
There is hardly any crime in this town. If there is a serious crime, the State
Police are called in to handle it.  This is not who we are. If the town manager
had her way, she would have most of us arrested and rid this town of all the
Portuguese property owners, the subversive artists, the commie pot smokers, the
pervert sex outlaws, and anyone with school-age children.

She does not know or respect the people or the history of this town. She brags
about her FBI training.  This is the last thing we want or need.  We used to be
a live-and-let-live town.  Not perfect any any means, but certainly peaceful. 
If you arm the town with overpaid cops and an overblown cop facility, you will
create a self-fulfilling prophecy: a crime-filled police state.

When is the last time you saw the town manager at a Flipper Fry, an art gallery,
the Soup Kitchen, checking a book out of the library, at the high-school play,
at New Beach,  at Ruthies, at a FAWC reading, a painting class, a local church,
or a concert at the UU?  Never.  She does not know or respect this town. She is
ego-powered. She'll talk to you about respect as though she respects you, but as
soon as your back is turned she wont hesitate to trash you to others.   This is
the truth and many others will agree.  I warn those of you who think that she
considers you a friend to be careful.   She is J. Edgar Hoover in an Evita
costume.
10:41 am est 

The Ever Expanding Universe!

Let's see...more cops, a $120,000 consultant for the design of the
potential police station, the building of a new $7 to 10 million police station,
a salary increase for the Police Chief, a bonus for the Police Chief...yes, I
get the picture!
12:04 am est 

Re: Parking Attendants and Employees

You can't just count employee salaries when you add up the cost of an employee
for our town. You have to add in benefits and more importantly the huge,
seemingly forever, pension liability created. Parking meters don't get pensions.
12:02 am est 

Re: Debt

Per capita debt is a completely meaningless statistic. Where do we stand on debt
per dollar in assessed valuation in the state rankings? That would be the
statistic that mattered.
12:00 am est 

Re: Police Station

Costs seem high but I guess you have to balance it against the alternative:

- what's the cost to town if someone dies in custody due to certified poor
facilities?
- what's the cost to town if our current station blows off its little hump in a
bad hurricane or is flooded?
- what's the ongoing cost of trying to limp along with what we have?

Another factor, if we do HAVE to do it, now seems a darn good time to be
borrowing money as interest rates won't be this low again ever for muni
governments.

All that said, until we address the massive underfunded retirement problem I
can't see how we can do anything else. Not much discussion of that on here BTW.

Out of curiosity how much did the main fire station cost to build?
11:59 pm est 

What About DPW-What's the True Cost

The Town Manager, is quoting the $8 to $10 Million range to build a new police
station. The DPW garage will be additional.
11:57 pm est 

Millions FOR THE SCHOOL-WHY?

Why do we spend millions on the school each year when the students are there a
few years meanwhile, these police officers are here for the duration.

You quibble, 3 years worth of money for the school equals one police
headquarters.
11:48 pm est 

Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Can't We do Better?

My understanding is they spent 80,000 on a wall in the veterans
memorial school..anyone ever drive up there, how in the world will the elderly
who dont drive get to the new senior center..i say that is where a police
station should go and also once again the library doors were left open the other
night and the janitor was called in to lock up..you do understand no matter how
long it takes 5 minutes or 1 hr they are paid for 3 hrs..union contract
rules..sorry to say once again librarian, chief of police and town
manager...geeesh..poor taxpayers
7:01 pm est 

Questions Raised by the Estimated Cost for theNew Police Station

Construction cost for a new police station will run about $300 per
square foot (not including land cost, but we already own the land).  If a 10,000
square foot building were constructed that would put cost at about 3 million.  A
10,000 square foot is large enough so why such high costs?
6:59 pm est 

New Police Station-Eric Yingling

If you are getting your information from Yingling then you are in
worse shape than I could have imagined.  I'd be curious as to when he received
his degree in construction management, the degree that obviously he feels makes
him so qualified to lead you in a discussion on building needs.
6:56 pm est 

New Police Station

Spending anything more than 3 million on a new police station seems
excessive, but 7 to 10 millions is over the top and not necessary.


6:54 pm est 

Proposed Police Station-Budget Buster

It's been said "If you build it, they will come." Does this also apply
to Police Stations? Who will come? My money's on MORE cops! After all, our new
Chief suddenly feels the need to populate our quiet little pier with SEVERAL
Full-Time officers 24/7 during at least this summer season, and then...? So what
gives that we now need a multi-million dollar facility? With next to no kids
here, and only a few of us here in the winter, what will we do with such a
building when summer ends?

Does anyone else remember when the current Townsend's Restaurant location went
up for sale? $500,000 was the asking price as I recall. Why didn't the Town step
up and grab that property? Wouldn't that have made a fine location for the new
Police Station? $7 - 10 MILLION DOLLARS?? Who's kidding whom here? This is a
SMALL sleepy little town that only really comes to life for about 10 weeks out
of the year! Do we REALLY need a BIG City Police Station to handle our town's
needs? I think not!

I agree with the idea of sinking some money into the existing Police building
and making it more of a state-of-the-art  facility and FIXING the problems there
as opposed to locating a monstrosity at the DPW site! Can you imagine the
nightmare of having police cruisers flying through the traffic lights during the
height of summer? It all sounds like one huge accident just waiting to happen!

Use your heads Taxpayers, and start saying NO to these ridiculous budget
6:52 pm est 

Section 7: The Finance Committee

6-7-3 A member of the finance committee shall not be a member of any other town
board.
6:49 pm est 

New Police Station Chatter

Erik I applaud you but watch out FOR the Town Manager. Another thing everyone
needs to keep in kind is, once they eliminate the current janitors job, you
can't possibly keep a 7-10 million dollar police station looking good with a
custodian coming by every day for two or three hours a day.

It takes time for an individual custodian to know the in's and out's of a building
so I caution the tax payers who are going to bear the brunt of this new police
station (if it goes thru), the TM and Chief will need a custodian and when they
come back to the voters for one it will be at a higher salary then the one they
have now.
6:46 pm est 

Re: Taking Yourself Too Seriously...
 
Actually I am surprised how often this blog comes up in conversations around
town.  It's usually along the lines of "oh that thing, I never read it" and then
they proceed to tell you everything that's been on it for the past week.

I suspect it is a lot of people's dirty little secret.

I applaud what Erik is doing in trying to bring people into the discussions
while they are still in their formative stages.  Because let's face it, nobody
goes to these meetings.  And by the time they get to Town Meeting everything
gets rubber stamped by the machine.

Too bad really.
1:11 pm est 

To: Eric Yingling

I'm the one who asked for the link to the report.

Can you also tell us, Erik, what the brand new police station/fire station at
the old Gutsy Bender's site cost?

And also what the relatively new police station in Truro cost?

Thank you.
1:07 pm est 

I'm Impressed by This Guy, Eric

Don't know him, but from what he has
written here, I'm optimistic knowing there are people like him on town boards.

Someone attributed his idealism to his youth.  How old is he, anyway?
If he's much younger than the rest of those on his committee, then it's good to
have both perspectives,  It's important to have diverse opinions on issues of
this magnitude.


1:05 pm est 

Taking Yourselves Too Seriously
 
Everyone on the blog should remember that only a very small fraction
of our already small year-round voting population actually reads this
politically charged blog.
What do you think?

For all of the generally negative opinions and hate mongering - I bet only 50
people actually contribute to this blog on a monthly basis, and only a handful
more as strictly readers.
Keep that in mind before you all take yourselves too seriously.
Good Day
12:39 pm est 

Re: New Police Station Report

You suggested:

"..... read the report written by the inspectors of the police headquarters. "


I wonder:
Who has the report? I checked the Town website. No report? I googled and the
Banner has a few references to an all town buildings survey(same report??) but
no report! How did you get the report?

I offer to FinComm:
No report required. Just fix up the current building, add on if needed, make it
deluxe and move on. $2 mill tops.
12:36 pm est 

Police Station Audit/Design Report

I'd love to read the report.  Can you post a link to it?  Thank you.
11:42 am est 

Re: Police Station

I would definitely say the aforementioned poster is correct. You should visit
the police station. It is in terrible shape. My understanding is the chief is
more than willing to give a tour to people that are interested.

This is an important piece of the puzzle no doubt.

Does it mean we need to spend 7 to 10 million dollars?  i'm not so sure.

Best,

Erik Yingling
11:38 am est 

Re: New Police Station

I do not understand why we are not using one of the town's many
existing properties for the new police station.  We spent a great deal of money
having properties evaluated, for what?  I thought we were going to make
decisions on how to best utilize these properties.  I do not understand taking
on such huge debt when we have so many unfinished projects.  I do believe the
current station is not adequate, however, I believe we can do better then $7 to
$10 million.  Perhaps if we are not receiving federal funds we could possibly
hire local contractors and receive more reasonable construction rates.
11:25 am est 

Re: Open Letter to Board of Selectmen
 
As requested, here is the letter I sent to the selectmen as well as the
Provincetown Banner.

I don't think what I wrote was very controversial. The impression I get is my
public dissent is what upset some people. Frankly, I don't see what the big deal
is.

An Open Letter to the Board of Selectmen                 February 10, 2012

Dear Selectmen,

   I am against the proposed Capital Improvements Program (CIP) expenditure at
Grace Hall Parking Lot. It is an unnecessary expenditure with only a marginal
financial benefit to the town. Moreover, it is a job-killer at a time when you
should be shepherding the creation of more jobs to strengthen our local economy. 
I have 3 better ideas of how to spend $235,000 of tax payers money.

1) Make a Deposit into the OPEB Fund.  The Town of Provincetown's unfunded
liability is a dire threat to the financial stability of local government and
could result in painful cuts to valuable programs and/or job loss in the future.

2) "Double Down" on Affordable Year-Round Housing.  63 affordable housing units
are coming online this year.  While this is a good start,  demand far outpaces
the supply of affordable housing.  The long term viability of our community, our
school, and our local economy depends on citizens being able to afford to live
in Provincetown.

3) Create More Jobs. Tourism is the life blood of our beautiful little town. 
You should hire 3 "tourism ambassadors" positioned throughout town.  They would
be available to give directions to tourists, inform them about local events such
as gallery openings, and provide valuable information about the unique character
of Provincetown.

I urge you to vote against this proposal and consider an investment in the
aforementioned.

Sincerely,

Erik Yingling

erikyingling@gmail.com

(note: I am a member of the Finance Committee but this letter only represents my
opinion  and not the views of the Finance Committee as a whole)

Grace Hall Parking Lot Upgrade: Myth Vs. Fact.

Myth

Grace Hall Parking lot is run inefficiently and needs to upgraded and
modernized.

Fact

Grace Hall Parking Lot is well run and very profitable.  Revenue is up 25% from
last year to $376,000. Moreover, all parking revenue is up 15%.

Myth

The cost to the town is only $235,000 to alter Grace Hall Parking Lot.

Fact

This is only the first year cost.  This does not include maintenance of all the
new equipment, consulting costs, and replacement of very expensive equipment
that has Only a 1-year warranty.

Myth

The alteration to Grace Hall Parking Lot will not result in job loss or pay cuts
to town employees.

Fact

The Town Manager already proposed a $68,000 cut in the parking lot attendant
budget line item.  Although no layoffs are being proposed this year, in the
future there will be job loss and less income for hard working parking lot
attendants.
11:22 am est 

To : Eric

Provincetown already has the highest per capita debt in the state, which itself
has second highest per capita debt of all 50 states.

While we have 2nd home owners to share the burden, so do many other tourist
towns in this state and we lead them all in debt. It is irresponsible and should
stop.

That's my opinion on an over-the-top expensive new police station.

As to you going public and shaking things up, good for you.  Hang in there. 
Fresh air only hurts those who don't want us taxpayers to look closely at their
pet expenditures.
11:13 am est 

New Police Station

I'd suggest that you read the report written by the inspectors of the police
headquarters. These experts stated that it is unsafe and inadequate. Read the
report and then respond to Eric as I have.

We must have a new police station--and I'm a poor taxpayer--but we owe to our
officers.
10:22 am est 

New Police Station

If we build a fancy new Police Station out of town, they might as well put a
Dunkin Donuts on the site too... The officers will never leave that building.

10:14 am est 

New Police Station

I believe that we desperately need a new police headquarters. I also feel in my
heart that the taxpayers were forced to give millions of dollars to affordable
housing developers from the CPA fund that should have gone towards paying for
the library and the Town Hall thus lessening the financial burden on the
taxpayers so that some of our tax dollars would go towards the new police
station.

Attention: Won't there be grants available? Homeland security money etc?

Affordable housing developers have thousands of grants to go to for money--yet
they took the money from taxpayers due to their advocates on the board of
selectmen.
10:09 am est 

To Eric Yingling

Hi Eric...Thanks for asking our opinions.  The price tag for the
police station is a little overwhelming when I look at the state of the town.
The roads are in such disrepair that it is almost like a pavement blight. We
have been asking for years to have the streets done, yet promises ensue but
nothing done.

My question to you is WHY SO MUCH? Taxes are rising based on obsolete
evaluations and another multimillion dollar expenditure in fragile economic
times threatens the elderly and middle class of Provincetown. I heard somewhere
that the debt of Provincetown is over 40 million dollars. We are a town of 2500
permanent residents.
I have to say that if this was on the ballot, I would give it a resounding NO.
For selectman, I would give you a resounding YES
10:07 am est 

New Police Station Estimate

$7-10 million for a new police station is insanity and fiscally
irresponsible.  The old police station is just fine.  Put a little money into it
and call it a day.  This is a town of 2500, not Boston.  In fact, we have too
many policemen as well.  I grew up in a town of 10,000 that had the same size
police force.
10:05 am est 

Frustrated Not Knowing What Eric Said

Eric, please post your letter here too. Others have posted their letters to the
editor here. What did you write?
10:03 am est 

Re: A New Police Station

During Fin Com last night, we discussed capital expenditures for a new police
station.

The estimated cost is between 7 and 10 million dollars which the town will
borrow.

my question to all of you is this:

Do you support this project? Why or why not?

Would you prefer to see a capital expenditure on some other project?

Your feedback would be appreciated.

Best,

Erik Yingling
erikyingling@gmail.com
9:29 am est 

Re: Usurping the Vote

The notion that I "usurped the vote" is erroneous and over-states my influence.

On the contrary,  using free media such as facebook, blogs, and e-mails empowers
the vote.  More citizens were invited into the process and I'm pleased by the
largely positive response.

Additionally, the supposed warring factions within Fin Com is also over-stated.
We agree about 95% of the time and I respect each member of the committee.

I also welcome criticism so long as it is constructive and not defamatory.

Democracy is an imperfect form of governance that is designed to encourage the
free exchange of ideas and information. one might not always like what they hear
but regardless; our constitution defends everyone's right to speak openly
without fear of persecution or reprisal. Free media has increased the velocity
with which we share information.  It has literally changed the world in profound
ways.

If people will not come to Fin Com, then I will bring Fin Com to them.

Best,

Erik Yingling
erikyingling@gmail.com
9:27 am est 

Please Print Eric Yingling's Letter to the Editor

Our banner hasn't arrived yet! Please post his letter here. There are thousands
of us who aren't there all of the time in the Winter. Please do us a favor and
let us know what he said that is so controversial.
9:03 am est 

Eric Yingling For BOS

We need new blood on the BOS.

Eric Yingling, I do think that your intentions
are good and you truly have the best interests
for the Town. You have a few more days to
take out election papers and run for
selectman. You will hold a minority seat
but your presence will certainly stir the
pot. Currently we have a board with
absolutely no drive and personality.
We need someone who won't follow the
other sheep.

I will not sign my name on this post
but will cast a vote for you.
8:59 am est 

Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Re: To Eric Yingling - FinComm Member

Oh Eric, I remember when I was young, looking to change everything I thought
was wrong with society. I had all the ambitions and pipe dreams that you do.
And then reality set in.

You're fighting an uphill battle and those that have been on the committee
longer will win you out. Make a fool out of yourself like        did. Nobody
takes    serious anymore. That's your destiny.
10:07 pm est 

To: "Even Though Zu"

Okay, Zu left your name off.  Where is your name on this blog of today???  In
the mail?
8:02 pm est 

Through the Looking Glass

It's easy to see how folks choose to twist the truth in order to
dramatize things and cast aspersions towards others.

One person wrote that Eric demanded that signatures be included. That's a lie.

Another person wrote that it's not his place to change the existing ways. It's a
lie that Eric wrote that it's his place to change the existing ways.

The word he used was "request. Go back and reread his entry; I did.

Why is it necessary to lie about what he said?

Eric's looking better and better, and his detractors worse and worse!
7:52 pm est 

Facing Reality and Dealing With it

Please accept this thought.  All who bark about the anonymous blog and
deficient town management, that aren't dogs -

Maybe we could simply identify the specific problem, assess the options for
resolution, intelligently examine and address the pros and cons of that/those
same resolution(s), examine why and who is ultimately determining and
benefitting from the present courses of action concerning same, and then, act
like grown ups.  This in not the playground where name throwing and spitballs
count. This is a town with some who are desperately trying to keep it unique and
quaint.  A town deep into a habit of overextending itself financially and then
scrambling and name blaming to cover it's collective ass.

Enough said.

Sign me, a sincerely concerned citizen afraid to sign my real name for fear of
retribution when I want a permit to put up a fence.
7:50 pm est 

Re: To Eric Yingling - FinComm Member

I was one of those that wrote in support if Yingling's suggestion that
people here sign, even though Zu didn't sign with my name.

Let me restate that I'm in support of signing our postings, and once it's
required for all, I'll continue posting here, but under my signature.


7:44 pm est 

Dispirited Town

Russel Braun- plain and simple- just like Sharon- pleases those in
Sharon's circle - slams those that are not in her circle.
Ensures his position. My business takes me to building dept. very often. I am
not one of the good ole boys or gals.  Very sad state this town is in.  I also
would love to see David Gardner replace Sharon and she can take her pal Russ
along when she goes!!!!  Agree- David has no agenda other than loving this town
and its people.
7:42 pm est 

Re: Neon Lights and Russell Braun

The neon light law is an old one that has never been enforced. Women
can't sign contracts in Massachusetts is also on the books. Russel, take off the
hooped skirt and put away your parasol. Time for a walk into the 21st century. 
Russel has done an awful job at everything he has touched. Get another job.
10:32 am est 

Re: To: Eric Yingling-FinComm Member

I agree with the previous post against Eric's demand for the requirement
for signatures on this blog.

Nothing prevents posters from signing. It is noted that except for Eric, all
those posters calling for signatures failed to provide their own signatures.

It is apparent that they indeed fail to practise what they preach. 

Why not?
9:31 am est 

To: Eric Yingling-FinComm Member

Erik, If you wish total divulgence of posters
go for it. Set up your own blog and set the
protocol as you wish.

This blog, "Shout Out" with or without
signatures has given you a venue to
voice your agenda.

It is your choice to use it or not. It is not
your place to change the existing ways.
9:17 am est 

Re: Have Several Things to Address

Thank you Eric for telling us the truth,unlike other members
Of boards.

Yea to the lottery of articles and a town survey!
9:09 am est 

FinComm Embarrassment

It's absurd that a single member could "usurp"  a vote by FinCom! With many
unique prividlges like unlimted speaking time at Town Meeting, majority and
minority reports, editorial letter to voters, public meetings endlessly
rebroadcasted, public comment hearings, joint meetings with selectmen etc etc.

But more importantly, how spectucarly careless the FinCom has become. Even "IF"
a lone member erred in judgement, the subsequent posts with name calling, rumor
and innudendo among FinCom is to the emmbarrasment of Provincetown voters.




9:07 am est 

Re: Neon Lights and Russell Braun

I agree with the previous poster regarding the town's decision to ban
neon. Rather pretentious in a town that features fried dough, dildo stores and a
head shop all a block from town hall. Please cut out this Disney stuff, we're
not Nantucket and don't want to
9:02 am est 

Re: What About My Ideas - Independent Survey

You cannot use land bank money to pave the roads. A public meeting
will be held Tuesday 2/21/12 to hear public comments.
8:58 am est 

Re: Neon Lights and Russell Braun
 
". . . neon lights? Restaurants and bars who have had neon for decades
are now discovering they have to get rid of them. . ."



You folks have a problem with reading comprehension don't you?  I'm not a fan of
Braun but he did this right.  The committee tells him he's got to enforce the
bylaws.  He tells people he has to enforce the bylaws, here's the bylaw, if you
don't like it get it changed at town meeting.  Hint,  hint, hint - change it at
town meeting.  AND, no fines until after you have the chance to change it at
town meeting.
8:57 am est 

Re: Have Several Things to Address

Erik us right; the blog should be set up so that posters if comments
have to sign their names, but it should be for everybody, not on a voluntary
basis.
8:54 am est 

Re: Have Several Things to Address

"strongly second Erik's request that commenters be required to
provide an email address and a name when posting on this site."


It's not the policy of this blog and Erik doesn't get to set the rules.
8:50 am est 

Monday, February 20, 2012

Re: Have Several Things to Address

Yingling may put himself on the same level as the President etc, he's
not quite at that level.  If it is his fellow committee members who are
commenting on his actions I could understand it.  He flipped them off and said
I'm going to undermine the committee discussion and wage a public campaign
against the idea.  A team player?  I'd say no.
6:54 pm est 

Re: Have Several Things to Address

I strongly second Erik's request that commenters be required to
provide an email address and a name when posting on this site. I think it would
help elevate the conversation from viscous attacks to actual constructive
back-and-forth.
6:51 pm est 

Re: FinComm Member Letter to the Editor

"What has happened here is a letter to the editor and a facebook page
to usurp the vote.  The discussion was still going on.  No vote had yet been
taken, yet the individual member tried to rally support for his lone dissension
outside of the public meetings."


Isn't this standard operating procedure employed by individual Congressional
members, the President and his Cabinet whenever a key issue is being considered
for a vote?  They publish opinion pieces in which they express their views on
these issues PRIOR to voting.

5:26 pm est 

Re: FinComm Member Letter to the Editor

"What has happened here is a letter to the editor and a facebook page
to usurp the vote.  The discussion was still going on.  No vote had yet been
taken, yet the individual member tried to rally support for his lone dissension
outside of the public meetings.

Is it right or ethical, not sure.  Do I personally like how he did it, no."



Very good points, he could have handled it better.
5:24 pm est 

Re: What About My Ideas - Independent Survey

Add me to the supporters of a survey.
4:46 pm est 

Who What Where

Can you please print Erik Yingling's letter here? I have no idea what people are
talking about--and the banner hasn't arrived yet. thank  you.

P.S. if one prints their name then they get slammed. People used to add their
names to their postings to their own peril.
4:40 pm est 

Individual Opinion

Oh, ok.  You can take your dig to Town Meeting, but under no
circumstances can he/she vote unless registered to do so.
4:38 pm est 

Re: FinComm Member

Finance Committee members should be biased.  If they were all of the same mind,
where would the discussion come from?  But as a member of FinCom, they also have
the right to vote no on something and then they have the right to speak at town
meeting on a minority report which gives them the power to speak to the voting
body on why they chose to vote opposite of the Committee.

What has happened here is a letter to the editor and a facebook page to usurp
the vote.  The discussion was still going on.  No vote had yet been taken, yet
the individual member tried to rally support for his lone dissension outside of
the public meetings.

Is it right or ethical, not sure.  Do I personally like how he did it, no.
4:34 pm est 

Re: FinComm TV Review

"...of the finance committee. Obviously he is unable to properly give
an unbiased opinion."


I agree that the Fin.Com member is unable to give an unbiased opinion, but I
would suggest that we all have our biases.  I think what's important is if we
are open to other points of view and an open discussion of the issues.  That's
the question fo me.
2:35 pm est 

Re: What About My Ideas - Independent Survey

An independent survey would guide us in our decisions.  You may have 50
people on the floor at town meeting telling us we have to keep the Landbank to
buy more suzanne's gardens while a survey of a thousand or two thousand
residents may overwhelmingly may  say they would rather we use that money to
pave the streets.

An unbiased, independent survey is the way to hear the voice of the people.  I
support it.
2:08 pm est 

Neon Lights and Russell Braun- Give Me a Break!

Why hasn't anyone written about the crackdown by the town's building
department on neon lights? Restaurants and bars who have had neon for decades
are now discovering they have to get rid of them. As I understand it, the only
exceptions being the Lobster Pot and Chach's (formerly Kelsey's and the Donut
Shop). Apparently, these are pre-existing.
What foolishness. Beer companies give these signs to their customers. Outdoor
neon is not offensive. This town is overburdened with rules, regulations and
committees which are strangling creativity and the Bohemian life style which put
us on the map. Enough is enough!
2:05 pm est 

David Gardner For Town Manager!!

"We can then move on and David knows the ropes.
On to David. Goodbye to Sharon."


I'd wager 30 days before you psychos start ripping David.
2:02 pm est 

Re: David Gardner For Town Manager!!

"Get rid of Sharon or send her on her way and then put david in charge.
he wont' need another assistant town manager .
sorry, but she can't. she is rather uncumbered by her intellectual difficulties."


Two Points:

You are mistaken if you think David as town manager would not need an assistant
Town Manager.  Those positions have become two big for one person.

You just proved the previous writer's point about this being a town with mean
spirited individuals.  And if I wanted to be mean I'd point out you are judging
the town manager's intellectual capacity when you can not even write a coherent
sentence.
1:57 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Doggers

DPW Director has his dog in town buildings all the time--just saying.
1:55 pm est 

Town Hall Doggers

Guertin, Braun for 2 that I have seen on numerous
occasions. Alex Hilalia(sp?) before moving
to Chatham. I think there are more dogs in town
hall but won't state unless I'm sure and don't
Forget the tiny ones that one can hide in a bag.



1:53 pm est 

Re: Peoples Concern on This blog

Kudos to the blogger who liked my suggestion of Town Meeting articles
drawn by lottery.  They are right in saying, lottery after  the budget is voted. 
I didn't mention that because voting the budget first would be a given so that
voters would know the Town's financial picture on how to vote succesive aricles
whether by lotery or not.
1:52 pm est 

Re: What About My Ideas?

Survey is a good idea, get everyone's input, not just the town meeting
voting blocs.
1:48 pm est 

Re: Have Several Things to Address


"I can't believe a member of the finance committee would express views in an
open
letter and then try to state they are "personal" views not his views as a member
of the finance committee. Obviously he is unable to properly give an unbiased
opinion."



Dear Editor of this blog,

my first request would be that you require an email address and a name for
people that post to this blog.

I find it disheartening (and cowardly) that people use this medium as a way of
anonymously engaging in personal attacks.

secondly,  to those that are taking the time to anonymously attack me; it's
pretty obvious to me that you are on the finance committee with me or you are a
town employee that wanted to see this capital expenditure approved.  If you
think I have some sort of "secret agenda" I encourage you to get the facts
straight and let's sit down over coffee. My treat. I would also encourage you to
not engage in attacks in an anonymous fashion. it's YOU that seems to have an
agenda. at least my agenda is in the open and clear.

To be clear,  my open letter is my opinion and NOT THE OPINION OF THE FINANCE
COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE.  I have every right under the first amendment and the town
charter to voice open and public opposition. I will continue to do so as a
private citizen and as member of the finance committee.

so anonymous attackers, what could be my "biased" and "secretive" agenda? keep
on digging and reaching. you undermine ONLY yourself.

Sincerely,

Erik Yingling

p.s. I take "little Barbara" as a compliment.  My grandmother does so much good
for this town and asks for nothing in return. :)
1:44 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall

Staff do bring their dogs to work on a regular basis. It is not
Professional and should not happen. People conducting
their business etc. should not bring Fido as well.
While I'm on the soap box, outdoor second hand smoke does
not bother me but dog and cat hair and dander
do.
1:41 pm est 

Animals in Town Hall

Staff do not bring their dogs to work, but visitors may bring their
dogs to TH when they do business.  We're a very dog friendly town, I can't
imagine we'd ever tell visitor they couldn't bring dog to TH.
10:18 am est 

Who Let the Dogs Out

Town Hall has set the tone. From now on, I will bring my dogs
to board, annual and special town meetings and elections too!
Whoof
9:54 am est 

Town Hall Has Gone To The Dogs

As a taxpayer I am appalled to the presence of canines in Town
Hall and other Town Office buildings. The former Town Accountant
would bring her Dalmatian to BOS meetings. I found it's presence
inturupting and unprofessional .
If an employee's dog has separation issues take it to a shrink
but not to work. Where is the BO Health when you need them.


I like dogs in general, but have always been on my guard around large
dogs ( I was bitten by a German Shepard when I was 6).
Town employees, leave your dogs home or in doggie care.
9:07 am est 

David Gardner For Town Manager!!

That is a sound answer to our problems. Get rid of Sharon or send her on her
way and then put david in charge. he wont' need another assistant town manager .
sorry, but she can't. she is rather uncumbered by her intellectual difficulties.

I'd vote now for David Gardner and help Sharon get into retirement and then
leave--Bye, Bye. what a relief. We can then move on and David knows the ropes.

On to David. Goodbye to Sharon.
9:05 am est 

In Truth, All is Not Well

We have a wonderful town blessed with beautiful beaches, fabulous beaches and
wonderful seascapes. This own is just fabulous.

However, how it is being managed is the issue. How Provincetown is being handled
and managed is the devastating issue.

Instead of being given the best care, we get SharonCare. and it is not enough.
SharonCare is PoorCare and I can only wish and hope that we get so much more.

Do you know what?

We all deserve so much better.
9:02 am est 

FinComm TV Review

". . .  According to the tape I watched he was there for the FinCom. ."


I give you credit for watching their meetings, I watched them for a short time,
but it seemed like the guy all the way on the right had an opinion and something
to say on every subject, I couldn't watch it anymore.
8:55 am est 

Sorry About That

Re: Just sayin'...

I'm the one who posted the recent letter about dogs. I didn't mean to steal your
name. I didn't realize someone was using the name "just sayin'" to sign their
posts.

Sorry, I didn't mean to cause confusion or mis-represent myself as you.

8:52 am est 

What About My Ideas?

"We seem to fund lots of studies, and pay for many external
consultants.
The town should take a page from Michelle Haynes and Cape Air. 
Here she is, at the top of this page, seeking input from us, and it
seems sincere and appreciative of such input.  That's not the case
with how our town committees."
 


Maybe towns don't do this and I know it would cost a little money but would the
town ever do a survey of its residents?  To find out what we want?  What's
important to me?  Now it's just the people who complain the most who are heard,
but what do the majority of people want?  Our leaders assume they know what I
want, but they haven't ever asked me.  And allow me to give my opinion in
private, I'm never going to stand up and talk at town meeting.
8:50 am est 

Sunday, February 19, 2012

A Town Dispirited

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS NO CREDIBILTY THESE DAYS JUST LIKE THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY! ALL THIS IN-FIGHTING AND JOCKEYING FOR POWER
HARDLY SERVES WELL THOSE THEY ARE MANDATED TO REPRESENT!


5:06 pm est 

Re: Harriet Gordon, Tom Roberts and the Provincetown Housing Authority

Well, well! It looks like Proviincetown ace reporter Mary Ann Braggs story about
the State censure and reprimand of the PHA was totally fabricated and the Cape
Cod Times  printed a retraction on Saturday! If there was no state censure how
could Gordon and Roberts resign from the board due to it? Seems like someone was
feeding Bragg a story without any facts. I wonder who?
4:42 pm est 

Re: Town Manager-Sharon Lynn

I do believe there is common Decency in this town.

BUT..when the leadership sets a nagative tone and fails to inspire and help
everyone do the best, then we have jeolosies and backbiting. I say: look to who
is running this town. that person sets the atmosphere and either motivates or
fails to motivate others to do their best.

That is not what is happening. That does not mean that the beaches are not
fabulous, or the little streets great, or the older art work wonderful, but it
does speak to the deep issues that affect people who live here year round.

Being a tourist is one thing, like someone on a honeymoon. but that is not life.
Life has scars, hurts and disappoints. and so do
4:34 pm est 

Re: Lately Several Important Concerns to People Have Surfaced on This Blog

"3) Town meeting articles should be done by lottery.  Articles will be
'luck of the draw'"



At first glance I like the idea.  But, I would do budgets first. Then everything
else would be random - you want to be involved in town decisions? Then be a part
of all of it.  I like the idea.
4:31 pm est 

Re: An Open Letter by a Member of FinComm

"If we're adding jobs this is what I'd add":

I like most of the wish list presented by a previous poster on duties
that he or she would like to see be undertaken by town employees, whether part
or full time.
We seem to fund lots of studies, and pay for many external consultants.
The town should take a page from Michelle Haynes and Cape Air.  Here she is, at
the top of this page, seeking input from us, and it seems sincere and
appreciative of such input.  That's not the case with how our town committees
have run thus far.  If one speaks at a hearing or committee meeting, the member
of the public is usually viewed with suspicion, and perceived as having an
agenda.  It feels like going through a gauntlet!  Most of the time, the
decisions have already been made, often, out of committee, and listening to the
citizenry is just going through the motions.  That's why this blog has been
viewed and used  by so many, even those who say they dislike it.

4:23 pm est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member Of FinComm

Re: "If true (and it sounds plausible) very sad to see Finance
Committee members and  leaders posting here about one another."


I questioned the FinCom member who was talking about 'the word on the street'. 
I'm not on FinCom and don't know them other from watching them on-line or on
PTV.  I found it weird that a member of FinCom would be  writing that the word
on the street was that something was being taken out of the budget when neither
the BOS or FinCom included the change in budget in the first place when they
voted.  According to the tape I watched he was there for the FinCom vote so why
is he acting like this is news?
1:59 pm est 

David Gardner For Town Manager !!!!!!

He is unbiased and is far more intelligent  and concentrates on results-not
trying to show others how smart and important he is. He truly cares for this
town and its people. No hidden agendas!!!
1:36 pm est 

Lately Several Important Concerns to People Have Surfaced on This Blog

Several important concerns to people have surfaced on this blo. 
One was animals in Town buildings.  That shld be taboo.  not everyone
likes animals.  Some people have a fear,some have dander or fur and other
allergies and shouldn't have to be subjected to that in town
buildings,stores,and restaurants. When and why is that allowed?  there's a leash
law now,there's no stray dogs wandering in and out anymore. 2) Depending on
recent ciircumstances for the Board of Selectmen and Town Manager's
reorganization of secretarial staffing,it may be that the Bd.of S. secretary
could charge discrimination and or elderly abuse. Otherwise management is
allowed to reorganize that which makes the department more efficient. 3) Town
meeting articles should be done by lottery.  Articles will be "luck of the draw"
so that voters will respect Town Meeting process by not leaving immediately
after their specific aricle is voted.  By lottery method no one is sure when
each article !
will come up.  No quorum problems that way and zoning articles won't always be
last when everybody is too tired to understand what  they're voting on or vote
anything just to get done with surprises later t o learn what they had done.
1:33 pm est 

Re: Sharon Town Manager

"Having lived in several towns throughout my life- my experience is
that I have NEVER seen a town run as unfairly as this town. .  ."


I've lived in a number of towns as well and can say without a doubt that I've
never encountered such a mean spirited town.  I was very surprised by the back
stabbing and overall way people treat each other in this town.  It's not a nice
town and as soon as I have the opportunity I will leave for another location
where people treat each other with respect and kindness.  It's called common
human decency and you don't have it here.
1:24 pm est 

Low Income Housing

There are alcoholics and drug addicts who are being supported by Social security
payments each month due to their addiction. (How fair is that?)They are supposed
to be in recovery-but who knows?

Working in this town, I've seen how easy it is to hide income and become
"eligible" for housing.

This low income housing will be a blot upon the town.

1:21 pm est 

FinComm - Points of View

If true (and it sounds plausible) very sad to see Finance Committee members and 
leaders posting here about one another. And very sad to see that it includes
personal attacks when the disagreement is valid and an honest debate is in
order.  I thought that was what Finance Committee's do?
1:19 pm est 

Possible Housing Tenants
 
I have had to evict people in Provincetown and they left before eviction so that
it wasn't on their record.

I've seen evicted people getting letters for affordable housing! I even wrote
fraud on the letter and returned it because the woman wasn't even a resident of
the town.

The police chief is on record as saying that concentrating low income housing in
one area is not a good idea.

People have already infiltrated the system who are violent and evil. Heaven help
the other low income residents.
1:17 pm est 

It's Reather Ironic

"We all can figure out who you are, by the way, so don't be a coward,
and sign your name."



I always smile when an unsigned blog tells someone else they should sign their
name.  And yep, I'm not going to sign my name either :)
1:13 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall
 
"Anytime a reader questions the actions of obsessive, over zealous dog
owners.."


Whoa! Anytime someone defends the Town's canine companions, they are labeled as
'zealous dog owners?'

Dogs are family members pal and will be defended as such!

Woof!
1:11 pm est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member of FinComm

Re: "I question your motives as a Finance Committee member. (We all can
figure out who you are. . ."


There may be FinCom members posting here, but I got my information from watching
the FinCom meetings on-line.  While they are mostly very boring there's lots of
information there and you can watch a little, come back, etc.  If you want to
find out information watch their meetings.
1:08 pm est 

Re: Town Manager-Sharon Lynn

"You have reversed and inverted the numbers. Many people and many at
town hall say, quietly but over and over again, how miserable life at town hall
is. . ."


You can say it over and over and over, but it still will not be true.
9:46 am est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member of FinComm

It's a decision we'll need to make.  Do we want more jobs in the
private sector or do we want more gov't jobs created?  If we want more gov't
jobs then we need to let the BOS, FinCom and the town manager know it.

If we're adding jobs this is what I'd add:
-2 people in summer who water plants, clean our parks, pick up trash on th
street.
-at least one full time year round in the building department to speed up the
process.
-6 'ambassadors', visitor services people staged through town to answer
tourist's questions.  Two shifts of three each.
- year-round attendants for the public restrooms, at least have coverage every
weekend.
-6 (2 shifts, 3 each shift) 'mini-cops' staged at Freeman, Ryder & Carver. 
Their sole purpose is to slow down bicyclists.
-2 additional full time janitors for DPW, they always say they need more.

It's a start, I think we could come up with more that we need.
9:44 am est 

Sharon Town Manager

Having lived in several towns throughout my life- my experience is that
I have NEVER seen a town run as unfairly as this town. The town manager
and her selected ones all protect one another and also grant blatant favoritism
to those within their circle. 

I love this beautiful town-but deplore  town government. The flagrant
preferential treatment of some-and the inequitable treatment of others
in business matters dispirits me. 

This is one crooked town- yes all towns have some degree of this- but this town
takes the cake!!
9:38 am est 

"Just Saying"

Ive been using the handle Just sayin for about a month. Now someone
else is using it . The last post from just sayin about dogs is not from me.... I
free hijacked and I have lost confidence inposting here.



9:36 am est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member of FinComm-Don't be a Coward!

You seem to know exactly what and when was said at a given Finance
Committee meeting.  At least your colleague, the Finance Committee letter writer
signed his name.  You, meanwhile,  hide through this blog. LOL  I question your
motives as a Finance Committee member. (We all can figure out who you are, by
the way, so don't be a coward, and sign your name.)
9:32 am est 

Just Wait

When the dregs arrive and the crime spree begins.  Section 8 Housing is going to
be the ruin of this town.  We are going to need a new police station to house
all of the criminals. The bleeding hearts will say it will enhance the town. 
BALONEY!  It will destroy the town.  I don't see how crime and mayhem will be a
good thing.  Maybe I'm missing something.  The police chief and the town manager
seem to think we are stupid.  Of course the crime rate will go up.  That's what
happens when you bring in poverty and despair.

Why don't we drug test these folks before they move in?  I'm sure that will tell
the whole tale.  Section 8 should be a privilege....NOT A RIGHT!!!
9:30 am est 

Re: Town Manager-Sharon Lynn

Ah, Perhaps Only three People who Like Sharon

You have reversed and inverted the numbers. Many people and many at town hall
say, quietly but over and over again, how miserable life at town hall is. this
woman is a poor leader and her misactions negtively affect town hall and those
who work there.

Many are very unhappy but can't publicly state how they really feel. they do
their work but there is despair, unhappiness, irritation and more at town hall.

I look to the source, to the one who has the power. Many her kitchen cabinet and
other women like her, but too many others find Sharon Lynne a failure.
11:31 pm est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member of FinComm

The author of the Grace Hall lot letter is now writing about 'the word
on the street' re plans for the Grace Hall lot when in fact it's information he
heard during last weeks finance committee meeting.  Since when is information
from a FinCom meeting considered 'word on the street'?

All credibility from the author is slowly going down the toilet.
11:28 pm est 

Re: Town of Provincetown Charter

You said:
I was passing on the information asstated to inform readers and did not make any
mentionregarding  Vernon's employment.

Your comment 'Vernon stays. Sharon needs to get a new half-time secreatary and
that is that.' seems to make mention of Vernon's employment


You said:
Look again: Chater 7, Section 2: Powers and Duties.
In other words, 7-2-4.

I say:
Your comment said 'Then it's Illegal in this town to Have An Executive
Secreatary for Town Manager who is also BOS Secreatary'. Section 7-2-4 does NOT
say it is illegal for the town manager executive secretary to also be the BOS
secretary.  Nowhere does it say place any restriction on who may serve as BOS
secretary, only that the BOS appoints that position.
11:26 pm est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member of Fincomm

Yeah that letter in the Banner made me rethink things.
11:23 pm est 

Re: Open Letter by a Member of FinCom

FinCom member is also writing on Facebook about 'the word on the
street'.  To him it appears that 'word on the street' means what he heard spoken
at the FinCom meeting.  He must be running for some office.
11:21 pm est 

Saturday, February 18, 2012

Re: Town of Provincetown Charter

Re: Charter

To: "Can't Find It"
Look again: Chater 7, Section 2: Powers and Duties.
In other words, 7-2-4.

It is fact not fiction and  I was passing on the information as
stated to inform readers and did not make any mention
regarding  Vernon's employment.
8:17 pm est 

Re: Parking

I read the letter about the grace hall parking lot, and I totally
agree with it's author
8:12 pm est 

Open Letter by a Member of Fincomm

The FinCom member who many refer to as 'little Barbara' feels it is
the role of town government to create and provide jobs.  Many others believe
government should only create an environment that fosters job growth in the
private sector.

I  guess it comes down to whether you want everyone to have a gov't job or
whether you would like to see more private sector jobs.
8:08 pm est 

Re: Parking

"Instead of Dominic eliminating parking lot positions, I agree why
doesn't the Town Manager reduce his hours in the winter months to 20hrs per
week. . ."


I don't know his exact hours, but I'm pretty sure no one, including the parking
administrator, works full time year round in the parking dept.  Once the season
has ended they all go to part time.  They start to go back to full time in March
in time for the traffic hearing and then the lots open in April.
8:06 pm est 

Re: Town Manager-Sharon Lynn

Re: "Just ask people who work at town hall what they really feel about
Sharon. It is glum and sad. they are not hapy campers . . ."


I find it funny when people on the outside claim to know how I feel.  I work at
town hall and we've got great group there, most of whom are happy in their jobs. 
And especially those of us who had to work for Keith.  Now that was a disaster
and none of you outside of town hall did anything to help when we had to suffer
under him.  Sharon's not perfect, but compared to Keith. . .
5:38 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall

There is a film clip on the towns historical web page that shows a dog
(unleashed) just wandering into and then out of town hall in the sixties.
5:36 pm est 

Re: Town of Provincetown Charter

Re: Vernon stays

You are trying to make this about a specific individual.  First please explain
what section in the charter says what you have stated as fact, I've looked and
can't find it.

  I think you are doing more harm when you attempt to force a specific person to
be hired and/or retained.  If I was the town mgr I'd be very hesitant to hire
someone who is being forced on me.  However, if a current employee came up to me
and said  'what do I need to improve or work on to meet the requirements of this
position' I'd want to keep that person.
5:35 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall

Dogs have ALWAYS been allowed in town hall. In fact in the past when
dogs could roam the town unleashed, Dogs used to just walk into the open doors
of town hall in the summer to visit staff and get treats. The salty dogs of
Provincetown were always welcomed in town buildings.
5:31 pm est 

Re: Under Sharon's Leadership

"Navigating the town through this recession?"


She has not been fiscally rsponsible. Look at the Library, the heating issues at
the school, the amount of millions spent on town renovations and the excess
spending on pipes for this mismatched sewer system.

All she has done is raise taxes to pay for the mistakes, cover the incompetence,
and then do overrides. I don't consider overrride a w ay to fix our problems.
Nor do I find raising taxes the answer. there is no control and we are the
worse, not the better, for this.
5:28 pm est 

Re: Town of Provincetown Charter

Then it's Illegal in this town to Have An Executive Secreatary for
Town Manager who is also BOS Secreatary

It is illegal to combine these town positions and may explain why there were TWO
poisitions--one for Town Manager and one for the BOS. This decision to get rid
of Vernon and give all the time and work to Sharon--and not to the BOS--is
illegal. It is against our town charter.

Vernon stays. Sharon needs to get a new half-time secreatary and that is that.
The BOS are her boss and the secreatary to the BOS is the secreatary to
BOS--only. You can't have loyalites to two bodies when one--the BOS--are the
one's hiring and overseeing the other--town manager.

Wake up BOS. Stop being such whimps. Seize the power you have and act. And
follow the town charter. You can read. You can think. Then act.
3:17 pm est 

Town Manager-Sharon Lynn

Re: What are the True Numbers?

Only Three People Who Don't Like Sharon?

  Try counting at least 30 people to perhaps even hundreds who find her
incompetent. She was never the best candidate but the one who was a shoe in.
Sadly, there were some fabulous candidates but we are left with the poorest
selection. Sharon is not a manager. she is a not a clean-up artists. She is
weak, just about holding her own and if David Gardner were not Assistant Town
Manager, Sharon would not know half of what she pretends to know. She is not
bright. Face the facts. And she fails to bring in a team approach to managing
this town. she is not a leader and we suffer for the lack of her skills. she may
hve been a competent cop but she is not a competent town manager. Different
sakills needed. Different attitude required.

  I'd take David Gardner any time. and we'd save much money by getting Sharon's
salary into our budget. Now she wants an executive secretary all for herself as
she dumps Vernon Porter. She is throwing him out the door of town hall and
pushing him down the front steps. This is disgraceful.

    Just ask people who work at town hall what they really feel about Sharon. It
is glum and sad. they are not hapy campers because our little Girl Scout Leader
is not!


3:12 pm est 

Me Thinks They Doth Protest Too Much


It's nice to read the letters to the editor in the Banner and see
continued support of the Kline family in Truro and their very unfair treatment
(in my opinion) by the town and their neighbors.

It is sad and pathetic however, to see the Banner write an editorial trying to
justify their (clearly) biased coverage of the case, rather than apologizing for
their attempts to sway the opinions of readers regarding the issue. It would
appear that someone in power at the Banner dislikes the Klines or is somehow "in
bed" with their disgruntled neighbors. Who knows what their motive is, but the
Banner obviously has some sort of agenda where this story is concerned.

Oh, I miss the days when newspapers just printed facts.

3:08 pm est 

Open Letter by a Member of Fincomm

Why would a member of the Finance Committee openly state that we should retain
these seasonal positions? I remember hearing that for every dollar we spend on
seasonal staff, we spend 36 cents on unemployment benefits.  There is no reason
to maintain these positions.  It's not like there are no other seasonal
employment opportunities for these employees.  Every retail store in town is
looking for good seasonal help.  Our unemployment rate in the summer is 0%.

It's also curious that this member of FinComm also voted down a seasonal DPW
position which would be dedicated to beautification.  Keep the parking positions
no matter what the cost, but don't expand DPW for much needed planting, weeding
and mulching.

His open letter casts many doubts on his fiduciary responsibility as a member of
FinComm and obviously plays to blatant cronyism.

The fact is, the more money the parking department generates, the less my taxes
will go up.  I'm for anything that will make the department more profitable.

And to the person that states we should trust him because he "has all the
facts", bull.  That's just saying that every other member of FinComm, who also
have the same facts, are just morons. He has an agenda, keep looking at the
ties.
3:05 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall

Anytime a reader questions the actions of obsessive, over zealous dog
owners on this blog, somebody inevitably responds with a link to some dubious
article found online which they apparently feel validates their position as a
dog fanatic with little or no regard for others who don't share their desire to
live in a wacky dog lovers paradise.

Well, I could probably find hundreds of articles online claiming that space
aliens exist and are plotting to take over the world. I could provide links to
those articles here to prove my point.

Just sayin'...
3:02 pm est 

What are the True Numbers?

So there are what, maybe three people who don't like Sharon?


Might b just one writing multiple times.  It's the beauty of this blog
3:00 pm est 

FYI: Town of Provincetown Charter

Chapter 7, Section 2: Powers and Duties

7-2-3 The town manager, with the approval of the board of
selectmen, may transfer the powers and duties from one
department  or office to another and, with the approval
of the finance committee, may transfer the appropriation
of one such department  or office to another.

7-2-4 The town manager shall hire all town employees,
except the secretary to the board  of selectmen.

Question: Does a CEO of a corporation have the same
secretary as the board of directors? I think not.
The melding of 2 positions into one is absurd. If the position
of secretary to  the BOS does not warrant a full time job,
then reduce the hours and keep both entities  separate.

Is Hudson going to take a salary reduction while she waits
to qualify for her pension?
2:56 pm est 

Vernon Should Stay-Get Involved

The person who posted that the job for the Board of Selectmen is 15
hours (at best) a week -- doesn't have a clue. They must be in never never land.
Time to really get your facts right.
2:54 pm est 

Under Sharon's Leadership

-Saved town hall.  Had we not taken action when we finally did the water seeping
into the building would have eventually destroyed it.

-Financial house is in order.  Afte many years we are no longer on the state's
watch list and we set our tax rate on time for the first time in years.

-Selling buildings/property we no longer need.  Not only are we consolidating
departments into a single location, these buildings,  when sold, will be added
to our tax base and the sales proceeds used pave our streets or build a new
police station.

It's great to see what we've accomplished.  She's not perfect, but neither am I.
2:51 pm est 

Parking

Instead of Dominic eliminating parking lot positions, I agree why doesn't the
Town Manager reduce his hours in the winter months to 20hrs per week. With two
employees currently in the parking office during the week, is it necessary for
him to be there fulltime? The parking lots are closed and parking is not in
effect in the winter so what does he do in 40hrs?
2:46 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

Count me as another resident who appreciates our town staff and town
manager.  We are light years ahead of where were.
2:45 pm est 

Speak Low Not Only When You Speak Love
 
few peolple have indicated that the Town Manager speaks negatively
about the Selectmen, on a one-one basis.

She should be more discreet.  After all, these are her bosses.
2:43 pm est 

Re: Fact Check

Thanks for the correction about Pam Hudson.  Its appreciated.

Still, since parking in Provincetown is only for 7 months, from April to
November 1, and if we were to allow one month, March, for parking season
pre-planning, and another additional month, November, for parking season
closure, there's no need to have a 12-month parking administrator. We would save
tons of money that we now pay in salary and fringe benefits.  After all, isn't
the goal of our current administration to run our town in the most efficient and
lean manner?

Oddly, though, it was this current administration that increased this position
from a part-time to a full-time position, even though our year-round population
has been consistently dwindling.

Could anybody crunch the numbers and post them here, using fiscal year 2012
data, as to how much we pay the year round parking administrator, including
salary and fringe benefits, and how much we would save if the administrator were
to work for only 9 months, from March to November?

2:42 pm est 

Friday, February 17, 2012

Re: Town Manager

So there are what, maybe three people who don't like Sharon?  The rest
or us see the things she and her staff have accomplished and are very
appreciative.
5:12 pm est 

Re: Town Manager

The current town manager has done more to cleanup the mess left by previous
administrators and Boards of Selectmen. Financial cleanup, facilities cleanup,
massive infrastructure improvements, millions in federal grants, long overdue
updates to bylaws, affordable housing action. etc. Also navigating the town as
well as could be done through the worst economy since the Depression. It is
absolutely ridiculous to keep hammering on her and accusing her of incomptence.
These are just outright lies.

The telling part of Ode to Evita was "those who have been dismissed by her." The
bitter blogger and others who have been fired or otherwise downsized out of the
town staff and forever use this blog to try to get revenge reveal themselves
directly.

Hats of to our town government and staff. And no I'm not anyone in town
government just a taxpayer who keeps an eye on how their taxes are used.

- not a town employee nor sleeping with one
5:10 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall

Dogs in the workplace are "a growing phenomenon" in America, said
Rebecca Johnson, director of the Research Center for Human-Animal Interaction at
the University of Missouri's College of Veterinary Medicine, in Columbia.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/story/2012-02-11/dogs-in-workplace/53031798/1


5:08 pm est 

Re: Animals in Town Hall

". . there was a dog lying on the floor in the office.are the workers
allowed to bring animals to work with them? . ."


No, but if visitors bring in their dog they welcome them with open arms (and
treats).

5:06 pm est 

Re: The Cowardice of the BOS

I don't think the BOS base their decisions on the chatter from this
board, in fact I'm sure of it.  Anonymous chatter on this blog will not create
change.  It's impossible to know if it is just a single person posting on a
subject.  It all has to be taken with a grin of salt.
5:03 pm est 

Re: Vernon Should Stay-Get Involved

"You can say what you want but the Secretary to the Board of Selectmen
is a FULL time job. . ."



It just isn't a full time job.  It's not about who is in the position, it's just
a fact that the position is part-time at best, probably not more than 15 hrs a
week.
4:58 pm est 

Fact Check

You said:

Hasn't Sharon set a precedent already with Pam Hudson? She's now working only
for a few months of the year.

Fact check:

Ms Hudson currently works full time.  Next yr she will be working part-time,
around 20 hours a week, not a few months a year.


4:53 pm est 

The Cowardice of the BOS

It Amazes Me that Such a weak and Not the Most Intelligent town
Manager Can Have the BOS Quaking

She is not the best we've had. She is rather weak, with weaker still management
skills. She first came in smiling up and down the corridors. Stopping in offices
and smiling. "Hi, I'm Sharon." Now she is sequestered and hidden. Few walk the
corridors and those that do worry about their positions.

Once ensconced, this little woman is terrorizing too many. I agree with the
Evita posting.

To the BOS, take back your power--before i'ts too late.
2:56 pm est 

Re: Throwing Light Into Dark Corners

Harriet Gordons and Tom  Roberts resignation letters to the selectmen should
raise some alarms- About their sanity!  Their supposed reasons for resigning
were:
 
A.  6 empty family units for several years. The PHA only owns 9 units, only
     one empty and ready for tenants because the previous tenant did over 20 thousand
     dollars in damage.  Gordon and Roberts were both asked to inspect the damage to
     help them get a handle on the problem but they refused. You can't fix things
     when you don't have the money.

B.  2 failed septic systems.  There are NO failed
     septic systems. Check with town hall, it's public record. 

C.  A broken elevator?
     Please! That was repaired in the summer of 2010!

So why were they on the PHA board?  I doubt that it was a real interest in
preserving affordable housing. Gordon made a fortune as a predator developer
buying up numerous multi family houses and flipping them into condos. It's not
apples and oranges as Harriet claims, it's what you believe in. Let's dig a
little deeper and find the real reason they were on the board!
2:15 pm est 

Ode to Evita

I have no idea who wrote that piece, ode to Evita.

But I have read it and reread it and it really speaks to how I feel as well.
I too, have had the surprising one-on-one conversation with the town manager
where she disparages this current board of selectmen and its chairman. the bad
karma in town right now is building. wake up selectmen. before you go down with
the bad energy. remember who your friends are, before you don't have any left.

You are being used.

1:52 pm est 

Re: "Many of You See the Town as an Employment Agency"
 
First, as a municipality, the town of Provincetown is the largest
employer. The second employer in Provincetown most likely would be Outer Cape
Health Services. So...we're, indeed, in the business of employing people.

Second, the pattern of the policymakers (yes, the selectmen have to own this!)
and administration is to eliminate the jobs of those that are powerless, and
lowest earners; the ones at the bottom of the totem pole. while at the same
time, increasing the salaries, and even giving bonuses to the managers of those
same departments that have been reduced in staff.

But here's the question:  If department heads like the Parking Administrator
reduce their department work force, why should the Provincetown tax payers pay
these supervisors at the same salary level as when they had more people, and
even pay them bonuses?

Frankly, instead of the Parking Administrator cutting seasonal parking staff,
let's make his position an 8 or 9 month position.  Hasn't Sharon set a precedent
already with Pam Hudson? She's now working only for a few months of the year.

And Dominic, please don't take it personal. Every time a person writes something
in this blog about you, you right away post a comment like: "So you don't like
Dominic, huh?"  We like you, Doiminic, as much as you like the people that work
for you and whose jobs you're proposing to eliminate.
1:48 pm est 

Re: "Many of You See the Town as an Employment Agency"

TOWN HALL IS NOT AN EMPLOYMENT AGENCY. IT JUST KEEPS SUCKING MONEY
FROM THE TAXPAYERS.
1:44 pm est 

Parking Lot Attendants

President Obama is always on television making speaches about creating jobs and
keeping people employed so why is the town looking to do away with parking lot
attendants? The news lately has been announcing break-ins on the lower cape. The
loss of employment means the possible loss in their housing situations.The
jobless and the homeless could increase the rise in the crime rate.Isn't it
great the people that get to bring these decisions forward don't have to worry
about being unempolyed or are already living on a great retirement.
1:43 pm est 

Re: Vernon Should Stay-Get Involved!

To address some of your comments: 

You can say what you want but the Secretary to the Board of Selectmen is a
FULL time job. We should all be contacting the Selectmen NOW and telling
each of them to put the position back in the budget and let the Town Manager
do her own thing with her position. 

I don't care if it is the current secretary or not .. the Board should always have
their own person. The Town Manager works for the Selectmen and it should stay
that way - to us it would be a conflict of interest to have one person working
for the Board and Town Manager. So do it now call or email your all the
selectmen. By the way why should current person have to re-apply??
1:36 pm est 

Re: "Many of You See the Town as an Employment Agency"

What is that about?  I'm sure if we asked the DPW if they could use more staff
they would say yes or if we asked the folks at town hall they would say yes and
we know the police would say yes.  If we want to be an employment agency we
should calculate how many people we want to provide jobs for and add them in.
12:46 pm est 

Animals in Town Hall

I was in town hall a week ago looking for some information at the assessors
office.I heard a barking dog so I looked in to where the bark was coming from.
there was a dog lying on the floor in the office.are the workers allowed to
bring animals to work with them?


12:44 pm est 

Neon Lighting
 
Does anyone know if Mr. Braun will be enforcing all lighting or just neon
lighting.  One write in mentions lighting in their condo complex.  Will this
mean that lighting at private residences will be enforced as well?



12:42 pm est 

Ode to Evita

I am so tired of the ignorant leadership in this town that looks upon
the rest of us with disdain. I speak not of everyone in town government, but I
do think that the town manager embodies this. Her assumption is that we are all
stupid, easily snowed, and easily taken in by her false openness.

Sincere message to the town Selectmen:  The town manager is not your boss--you
are hers.  She is not smarter than you.  You were elected--we chose you because
we believed in you.  We did not choose her.  It is maddening to watch you accept
her opinions without question.  It is your job to hold her feet to the fire. 
She has little respect for you--that is no secret. She easily and arrogantly
admits that in one-to-one conversations with townspeople.  Wake up and take the
power that is yours.  I, for one, want to continue to believe in you.  PLEASE
stop turning a deaf ear to those of us who have been dismissed by her. She does
not have the right to hand influence and power to her friends and her partner,
and to exclude and ignore those who do not treat her like Evita Peron.
12:40 pm est 

Thursday, February 16, 2012

Amendmentds at Town Meeting Can Make a Change

"I understand your sentimental feelings, but under town meeting rules I can't
think of any way you can force the town officials to hire or retain a specific
individual.  Pretty sure Mass law does not allow reference to a named
individual."


1) Town Meeting holds 100% of the spending authority in Massachusetts "towns".

2) Town Meeting may add, eliminate, limit or restrict any spending as it sees
fit

3) Town Meeting may revise the budget in any way it wishes as long as the total
budget is at or less than the total spending announced in the warrant (and only
if that amount was published in the warrant).

4) Town Meeting may not name a specific individual for a position, but may fund
specific jobs and establish requirements for the job.

5) Town Meeting may move spending between or within departments or sub
departments.

6)THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A TOWN MEETING!! The power to revise the budget and then
approve it is why we have Town Meeting. We could have  simple up or down vote at
the ballot box as we do for new debt..... but we don't.
10:37 pm est 

Re: "I Have Several Things to Address"

Re: "He has all the facts and understands both the math and
the policy implications of the issue.  .  ."



Well no, he didn't have all the facts.  He decided to advocate for his point of
view before all the the facts were out there and the Finance Committee or the
BOS discussed the issue.  He felt his opinion was more important than anyone
else.  From what I hear he ticked off a number of people by running off his
mouth without all the facts.
10:31 pm est 

Amendmentds at Town Meeting Can Make a Change

Re: Use amendments to the budget, limitations on spending authority
together with the secret ballot to win your case.


I understand your sentimental feelings, but under town meeting rules I can't
think of any way you can force the town officials to hire or retain a specific
individual.  Pretty sure Mass law does not allow reference to a named
individual.

If we start going down that path, what's next?  Petitioned articles to hire
friends?  Petitioned articles to fire people we don't like?  Really?  Is that
what we want?


2:19 pm est 

Re: I Have Several Things to Address

Re: "The town manager is trying to streamline operations but for some
reason many of you see the town as an employment agency."


WE HAVE A WINNER!!  This is the post of the week!  Town as an employement agency
says it exactly - is that really the best way to run town government?
2:14 pm est 

Re: Neon Lights-Russell Bfraun

Thank you russell Braun for trying to enforce the lighting issue
In town. We live next to a condo assoc that has motion detector
Lights perched high on the buildings. It's  like a disco all night long,
On and off constantly,even when cars drive by! Yes, they shine
Bright over our house,in the windows etc, the assoc. has failed to
Fix the problem after requested.
Now, if mr Braun can also get all the signage to a minimum it
Would be great.
2:08 pm est 

Re: I Have Several Things to Address

Someone typed:

"I can't believe a member of the finance committee would express views in an open
letter and then try to state they are "personal" views not his views as a member
of the finance committee. Obviously he is unable to properly give an unbiased
opinion."


I say:
Of course he is biased! He has all the facts and understands both the math and
the policy implications of the issue.  Agree or disagree with him, we are lucky
to have people who know the facts speaking out.

2:06 pm est 

Maybe It's Not About Us!

"Maybe the dolphins are trying to tell us something and that is if
p'town does not find a way to live in harmony.."


In one of Thoreau's books from the mid-19th century, he talks about mass marine
mammal strandings on the Cape that had been happening periodically for as long
as people lived here.  The locals took it as a winfall; fishing without most of
the work.

They didn't know then what caused it, and we don't know now, but not everything
is about us.
2:03 pm est 

Fix in With the Selectmen re Housing Authority

The Selectmen's meeting of 2/13 is a good example of blatant cronyism and
incompetence. 4 candidates present themselves to fill the vacant positions on
the Board. 1 who has worked intimately with the Board and a newcomer with
extensive state housing experience. Then the Boards selects 2 - one with no
housing experience-Couture, and the other- Carleo, who has experience but seems
quite busy with other things. What's up with that? If the fix was in why even
make the other two come in and interview?? It's insulting to them and to the
citizens of Ptown....oy, please can we have new selectmen?! They are ridiculous!
10:28 am est 

I Have Several Things to Address

First off, the "neon" sign issue:
 
The town hall employees are just doing their job by enforcing a by-law on the
books. If you care so much get to town meeting and vote to abolish this
antiquated law. I understand a business owner is trying to get an article on the
warrant.

Secondly:
 
I don't think that any one except for the staff should make
decisions on staff for example Vernon. The town manager is trying to streamline
operations but for some reason many of you see the town as an employment agency.
The town should function more efficiently and that is the goal of staff.

Lastly:
 
I can't believe a member of the finance committee would express views in an open
letter and then try to state they are "personal" views not his views as a member
of the finance committee. Obviously he is unable to properly give an unbiased
opinion.
10:26 am est 

Re: "Neon Lights"

Enforcing the lighting by law? What has happend to finally get this enforced?
Good for Mr. Braun.

Almost every property in Provincetown violates the lighting by law. By law if a
light casts a shadow on to an adjacent property it is in violation. We have a
beautiful spectacular night sky but it can't be seen because of the vast amount
of overlighting that occurs in town. Flood lights, uplighting on trees, etc.
Would be nice if someday we could take back the night sky so we and our visitors
could see it. However, to my knowledge, this by law has never been enforced.
Many community around the country address this issue through enforcing downcase
lighting requirements. That way the light does its work but doesn't wreck the
view.

Is it a big issue, no. Would it be nice to see done, yes.
10:23 am est 

Read the Bones

Maybe the dolphins are trying to tell us something and that is if
p'town does not find a way to live in harmony, this glacier will break off and
float away oops from the real world and the dolphins will have their sonic route
back..

10:21 am est 

Get Involved!

If you don't like the way the board of selectman do business, then run
for office.  If not, go to their meetings and get involved. Find a solution
there are many options.
10:18 am est 

Re: Throwing Light Into Dark Corners

RE: "The article highlights that Harriet Gordon (Married to Finance
Committee Vice Chairman Anne McGuire) and Tom Roberts (married to Selectman
David McChesney) resigned in advance of the state reprimand."


Ms. Gordon and Mr. Roberts resigned because of the issues they say which the
Housing Authority was refusing to address.  Issues they brought up and now the
state is saying the same thing.  I don't personally know either of them, but
their actions should be applauded.
10:16 am est 

Re: Venron Should Stay !!

We know what is happening to Vernon. If you want to do something to change that
course, get your pals together and go to Town Meeting. Use amendments to the
budget, limitations on spending authority together with the secret ballot to win
your case.

Otherwise, get the retirement party streamers ready.


10:11 am est 

Re: "Too Few People in Town Even Know That Vernon Has Been Summarily Fired"

Too few people ( including you ) don't know that no decision has been made. 
Only that the BOS secretary is no longer considered a full time position, never
was actually, and the resources allocated to that position have been moved from
from one town dept to another.  And those are the facts.

Most people in town know that we employee a town manager to make personnel
decisions because none of us know who is and who isn't a good employee.  I don't
want the staff who works for me to be hired based on their popularity.  It's not
how I would run my business and it's not how I want my town run.
10:10 am est 

Re: It's the Building Commissioner-Russell Braun

If you have the "neon" lights, just simply fight it on the FACT that it's not
neon, it LED. There is a difference and if the bylaw says neon, too bad, the LED
stays. For instance, if the town had a bylaw that was intended to stop
impervious surfaces like driveways from being built and in the bylaws it said no
PAVED surfaces, PAVERS are different and thus can be installed. It's still
impervious but it's not pavement. There is a difference. Never mind intent.
Doesn't hold up in court.
10:06 am est 

Russell Should Go!

Russell should have been out a long time ago. The neon signs have been
in town for decades. I have watched Russell's hit and miss with enforcement.
Example, some stores have exit and emergency lights (the law) and others do not. 
If he wants to enforce something, try that instead of neon signs that are not
safety issues. Walking papers for him? Oh please!
10:04 am est 

Just Let It Be!

Neon is not a problem. Maybe the select few at town hall hate looking at the
signs at George's Pizza. Brings them down---where they should be. Oh, sorry.


This is ridiculous. Let it go Russell. You let everything else go so why this
wacky aspect of neon signs?

Do all of us a favor and enforce the rules that most of us truly care about. Try
to be someone who sees the town from the town's perspective instead of from
Sharon's rather sekwed eye.
11:20 pm est 

How Wrong You Are!

Too few people in town even know that Vernon has been summarily fired. few know.
so off with your insistence that I move on. Who the hell are you? I write what I
want to write and you are anathema to many of us.

We care. We are not sharon puppies or big      puppies. We do love this town
and don't work to use and maximize this town to our town benefits. They do.
11:16 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Personnel Dispirited-Vernon Only the Tip of the Iceberg

"and the union gives into Sharon all the time.. . ."


Of the people I know who work at town hall those who feel their job is serve the
residents are happy and doing well - those who feel the town owes them a job
aren't as satisfied at town hall.
11:12 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Personnel Dispirited-Vernon Only the Tip of the Iceberg

It's funny how those of u who don't work at own hall try to say how
the rest of us like working there.
11:08 pm est 

Venron Should Stay !!

If I were Vernon I would be suing the town to the hilt. They have torminted him
to hell for many years but he is the only one who has stayed year after year, 
and I do mean years - after many of us could not work for the Board of Selectmen
because the pressure is so high it's over the top. But Vernon, God Bless Him,
has withstood all the bull and has kepts his witts and served us citizens more
than 150%. Good Luck Vernon, we love you and wish you the very best. 

The Board of Selectmen will have a hard time the next time they run for office if we have
anything to do with it. Shame on the Board of Selectmen. Not everyone does
everything 100% but I will say that no matter what they think - good bad or
indifferent, Vernon is one person who should never be let go. They say no good
deed goes unpunished.  Thank you Vernon for ALL you have done for Provincetown.
We are so saddened that you have to go through all this.  And to the Board of
Selectmen, having one secretary is a conflict of interest .. after all the Town Manager
works for the Board of Selectment - not the other way around. 

Seem to us like you'd got your marbles mixed up.  Shame on all of you for letting
this happen.
11:07 pm est 

Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Town Hall Personnel Dispirited-Vernon Only the Tip of the Iceberg

I don't know who you are that works at town hall and is satisfied with
what is happening. Evidently you are in the minority .. a lot of us can't speak
our minds because we will be put out the door as well.

The atmosphere is horrible and the union gives into Sharon all the time.. as
does the Board of Selectmen. The Board of Selectmen give into her all the time.
They have never refused her anything and never speak up to her. Keith Bergman
all over again.

We can't ask for anything from the Board of Selectmen cause all we get is that
"we'll look into it" and nothing is every accomplished.  Need I say more. You
have to work there lately to know that you can't speak your mind for
retribution.
9:13 pm est 

Re: Vernon Should Stay and Not be Fired!
 
Ah, My Dear

You may work there but you are but a few who find solace and joy at town hall.
Too many feel threatened and rightly so. If the little kitchen cabinet does not
like you, you are out of there.

Look at poor Vernon. sorry, for all the years you gave. You are out.
8:59 pm est 

Re: Vernon Should Stay and Not be Fired!


Yep good ole ptown,when management doesnt like someone they will find
a way to be rid of you.the town manager,chief of police and the librarian were
hard at work all winter with that..why cant they just let this town
flourish..fix the roads and then stop wasting our tax dollars on new
projects..give it all a rest

8:52 pm est 

Re: Vernon Should Stay and not be Fired!

"What is a renovated town hall that has lost its heart? The place is
now dead, with little fresh air and no compassion. It has become a fakey place
to work, .  ."



Do you work there? I do and disagree with you as do most of the people I work
with.
8:50 pm est 

Throwing Light Into Dark Corners

Here's a familiar headline from today's Cape Cod Times

"State censures P'town for lax rental oversight"

The article highlights that Harriet Gordon (Married to Finance Committee Vice
Chairman Anne McGuire) and Tom Roberts (married to Selectman David McChesney)
resigned in advance of the state reprimand.
8:46 pm est 

What a Winter!

This winter has been so beautiful in town! Love the weather and love
to see people out and about!
7:52 pm est 

It's the Building Commissioner-Russell Braun

Banning inside neon and so many lighted signs is absurd. The town's
own parking and detour signs are illegal as well as the fire chief's appliance
sign, gas stations signage, time and temperature, etc. Stop this foolishness and
give our struggling merchants a chance to survive by getting potential
customers' attention. We aren't the Hamptons or Nantucket. We sell an edgy chaos
unlike our homogenized rivals vying for the tourist dollar. Please continue to
ignore this bylaw or remove it.
5:45 pm est 

Re: Vernon Should Stay and Not Be Fired!

Everybody who has an opinion has spoken up, let it go and do whatever you want
to do at town meeting.  You have your point of view which isn't going to change. 
I have my point of view which isn't going to change.
5:25 pm est 

It's the Building Commissioner-Russell Braun

"It is Russell who is now interpreting the zoning by Laws and
believes--we don't know why--that neon lights are a problem?"



Don't blame Braun on this one.  He's enforcing what he is suppose to enforce. 
Anyone who received a notice is not getting fined and he very clearly and
strongly suggested someone bring forward an article to change this regulation. 
He has done everything except walk the warrant article over to town hall.
5:22 pm est 

Re: 14 Students in Our High School

$3,000,000.00 FOR OUR EMPTY SCHOOL:

The schools will all be closed eventually. $3,000,000 a year and the kids get
short changed. very sad.


4:38 pm est 

Vernon Should Stay and Not Be Fired!

vernon has given much to this town. he should be allowed to keep his job and not
be tossed aside like a sardine. he should be shown the respect that all the
years of working here deserves. but, no, carelessly, if not cruelly, Vernon
Porter is being thrown out the door of Town hall.

What is a renovated town hall that has lost its heart? The place is now dead,
with little fresh air and no compassion. It has become a fakey place to work,
pretense that life is good there but not the reality. Vernon will not be the
last town hall employee to be tossed out the door. Sad but painfully true.
4:36 pm est 

It's the Building Commissioner-Russell Braun

The Neon Light Issue is Not Driven by the Historic District--but by
the Building Commissioner

It is Russell who is now interpreting the zoning by Laws and believes--we don't
know why--that neon lights are a problem? why? for whom? Why not enforce the
real rules and enforce the actual breaking of laws rather than take this up!
Why, indeed!
4:34 pm est 

Police Depts Meeting With Finance Com

Did anyone watch PTV this past weekend where the police chief obviously has
plans of turning the pier into a law enforcement project just like his best
friend has done who just happens to be the police chief in mashpee. Did you take
note too of how he wanted a K-9 unit by convincing the finance comm that the dog
will be available to towns between ptown and orleans as well. What made me ill
was when he did his best to convince them how beneficial the motorcycle was to
the dept. This chief is doing the same thing he did up in new hampshire before
they showed him the door. Folks, it's not going to stop here either, he's only
just begun.
2:28 pm est 

Re: 14 Students in Our High School

The proposed school budget is up over last year. Our schools manage to spend
more money doing less year after year. Yes, it's true, they will ask Town
Meeting for more money than last year despite fewer students and half the
building maintenance of years past.

What is so very sad, is that by every benchmark Provincetown Schools are failing
while the real victims are the kids.

Truth be told, it's not money that will solve this problem.
11:49 am est 

Affordable Housing Will Provide Families

Oh I forgot, the developers realized that they would make more money crowding
these housing developments with one bedroom units, so after they go the ok to
build, they reduced the number of two and three bedroom units.
9:56 am est 

Re: 14 Students in Our High School

"Around $5 MILLION dollars each year for a school .  .  ."


Discussions based on facts work so much better.
You are about $2 MILLION off, school budget is just over $3 MILLION.
9:54 am est 

Re: Rumor Has It!

It would not suprise me if a member of the Historic District Board was
arrested for DWI, they seem to be so out-of-touch with reality as it is.  I was
told that the board now has a new anti-business mission-to eliminte all lighted
signs.   It does not matter if the signs are inside the windows of the business,
they have to go or the business owner will be fined $300.00 a day.
9:51 am est 

Tuesday, February 14, 2012

14 Students in Our High School

Around $5 MILLION dollars each year for a school with 14 students in the whole
high school. It is time to close the high school and the elementary school.

We are almost the oldest county out of 3,000 counties in the USA. We have no
year round employment for families to live here.

Close the schools period.
10:48 pm est 

Re: Rumor Has It!

No member of the Historic District Commission has been
arrested for DUI offences.

End of conversation.
1:52 pm est 

Re: Rumor Has It!

"Should a member of the Historic District Board be allowed to remain if
they have been arrested for drunk driving? I believe not!"


It's drunk driving, it's not like they exposed themselves to young children or
something equally immoral.  Oops, I'm confusing Historic Commission with        
         .
1:48 pm est 

Re: Rumor Has it!

There are at least two John Dowds who live in Provincetown. It was the
other John Dowd that was arrested. Not the one who sits on Historic.
1:23 pm est 

Re: Rumor Has it!
 
Who was it?  Was it Marcene?  John?  Polly?  David?  If we're going to smear
people on this blog and air out the dirty laundry lets make sure we include
everyone's names so they are all smeared.

Blogmaster, it stings a little when people start to smear a loved one doesn't
it?  Well at least you know how others feel when your blog rips people.
12:52 pm est 

Re: Vernon

"He is the BOS secreatary and we need someone who works for them--not
Sharon."


You don't think this was a decision by the BOS?  Think again.
12:46 pm est 

Re: Vernon

"When I walk into town hall To have a question answered. . ."


Oh good lord, what the heck are you saying?  If I have to spend a couple of
minutes trying to figure out someone's rant I move on.
12:44 pm est 

Re: Vernon

When I walk into town hall To have a question answered,Vernon
Is the only capable person I have found to direct me. A few years
Ago I lost 2 thousand dollars due to     at the town managers office
And another cast of characters,finally after months dealing with    ,
And them losing the paperwork twice.i sold my house and had to
Take the lost. This was all due to the town water/ sewer dept. and    .
I can only imagine if     is now expected to do more in her job
Description,she has always seemed frazzled.
And can not give the time needed to the citizens.i always get the rushed
Feeling when in the town hall.i do not fault     for her situation,but
It is the town mangers responsibility to make sure communication
Within town hall ia adequate and correct. Vernon fulfills this need
And is a ambassador for the building and town.
Managers are only good if they can deal with the numbers and the
Citizens and employees involved,and sadly this is why most managers
Fail.


11:49 am est 

Re: Police Staffing

I agree. There are too many police officers in this town. Save us some
money, let half of them go.
11:19 am est 

Re: Mailspot...Where Are They?

Mailspot had to move to a new location
Again because the condo they were in got forclosed on and went up for auction.
Because it was a retail rental their lease became null and void, and so once
again they had to move.The new spot is a little more than fifty feet from the
other one so it should not be that hard to get too. Parking is a little harder
however they can be accessed from Commercial Street or Freeman Street up the
little drive way if you have a two minute drop off.....
10:23 am est 

Rumor Has it!

Should a member of the Historic District Board be allowed to remain if
they have been arrested for drunk driving? I believe not!
9:31 am est 

Re: Where Are They?

Mail Spot Express is now in the same complex as Vixen which is across
the street from Land's End Marine Supply.
9:27 am est 

Re: Payroll and Budget Machinations

Re:  "It's unlikely the public will care more about the teachers and
students than the Superintendent does.  .  ."


How soon you forget.  Jessica Waugh vs current superintendent Beth Singer.  I'll
take Ms. Singer.  Compared to the stonewalling done all the time by Ms. Waugh
I'll take the transparency of Ms. Singer any day.

But, you are trying to ignore the point.  We had a group of dedicated, caring
teachers who because of changes at the schools lost their jobs or had their
hours reduced.  And I can't think of anyone who spoke up and said we are sorry
this is happening to you.  Or anyone who spoke up and said we can't cut these
positions, some of them have been employees of the town for a long time and have
done so much for our children and our community, we must leave these positions
as they are until the teacher decides they want to retire.

Where were you then?
9:23 am est 

Vernon is Being Treated With Little Respect

They--you can fill in the blanks--want him out. They want someone else. They
have not cared for Vernon for many years. Now they say: retire or we'll fire
you. And fire him they did. He is the BOS secreatary and we need someone who
works for them--not sharon. she has her Pam or pam surrogate. This merging of
two postions and putting the person ony under town manager is wrong and perhaps
even illegal.

But for certain, Vernon deserves better. He should not be replaced with a
full-time town manager secretary who also has an assistant town manager.

it's time Sharon does her own work instead of having all these surrogates.
Either she can do the job or she can't. Enough of these others to do what she,
at more than $130,000--should be doing using her own skills, management and
leadership. But...sadly, these others are brought in to do what she seems not to
be able to do on her own.
9:19 am est 

Monday, February 13, 2012

Re: "Secret Ballet"

A secret ballet sounds like so much fun. We could all wear masks, tutus, tights
and what are those things "cod pieces" and dance around town hall. Much more fun
than a stuffy old annual meeting with a secret ballot.


7:10 pm est 

Outcry For the Teachers?

It's unlikely the public will care more about the teachers and students than the
Superintendent does.  It appears this Superintendent cares most about the
Superintendent's own VIP parking, 2 secretaries and two official offices.


6:47 pm est 

Payroll and Budget Machinations

Re:  "Why was it OK when teachers were being let go, but
it's not OK when a singular town employees position is being transferred from
one dept to another and that employee may or may not get that job?"


I feel bad that I didn't think more of the teachers that were affected.  I
really appreciate our teacher's contribution to my child's education and when
the high school closed I didn't consider the impact on their life.
6:16 pm est 

Where Are They!

I went to Mailspot today and found another "we've moved" sign. I know
they got thrown out of the Commercial Street location a year or so ago. Anyone
know where they have moved now?
6:13 pm est 

Re: Police Staffing

Re: "If we let the police continue, they will be carrying tasers
with the guns."

They already are.
6:11 pm est 

Response to Police Staffing

To the witty one who apparently has issues with the amount of Police Officers
this Town has, I only have two things to say to respond to your post:

(1) If there are two police officers working a shift and a fight breaks out at one of
the local bars, I hope you don't need a police officer for anything because your
not going to like it when your told they are tied up. I personally can't wait.

(2)You made a statement about what are they going to do next "carry tasers with
their guns" ? Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but next time you see a
police officer, that yellow handle thing attached to their gun belts is not so
when they come to your house, they can find the studs in the wall to hang your
negative attitude up with. Have a good day.
6:02 pm est 

No Renaissance

When I moved here, this was a dynamic community of energetic people being
creative accomplishment. With this advent of a 40-B low income housing
development we will have a low income population whose skills lie in knowing the
ins and outs of the welfare state and their energy lies is making it work for
them.

40-B HOUSING:  the homeless, people who are clean "addicts" and thus receive all
of financial support from social security, the disabled and women with dependent
children.

IF you truly believe that here at the end of the cape where there is no year
round employment that these folks are going to move here and create a
Renaissance, you are sorely mistaken.


6:00 pm est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue?

You wrote:

"No one is being fired for illness.  I realize it makes a good sound bite for
you, but it's not true.  The town administration is trying to make the town run
as efficiently a possible and I applaud them for it."

I respond:

If the employee was being fired for cause that action would happen as a standard
personnel matter - he'd first be on warning, probation and then be terminated.
Instead without cause, the Selectmen must go through  the budget and charter
gymnastics required for evading the FMLA to fire their secretary.

For this the 5 Selectmen & TM are and will be accountable.  I'd be curious what
Seashore Point residents think about firing an employee for being older and
infirm? Overall, it probably wont matter much in Ptown politics yet it will
matter in other jurisdictions.

Oh by the way: I applaud them too. They are being much more corporate, clever
and devious than I've ever given them credit for being. BRAVO!

5:57 pm est 

Police Staffing

We hire summer staff to handle the population swing, just as all  towns adjust
to the yearly fluctuations.  We still have too large a police staff for the work
needed for 10 months a year.  We act like we are the only town in the country
that serves a changing seasonal population.  This is dollars and cents, not
rocket science.  If we let the police continue, they will be carrying tasers
with the guns.
10:17 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

". . . voters will have little use for a politician who fired a long
time employee for being sick however legal the action might be. . ."


No one is being fired for illness.  I realize it makes a good sound bite for
you, but it's not true.  The town administration is trying to make the town run
as efficiently a possible and I applaud them for it.

I echo a previous poster.  Why was it OK when teachers were being let go, but
it's not OK when a singular town employees position is being transferred from
one dept to another and that employee may or may not get that job?  Where was
the outcry for our teachers?  Why didn't any of you caring folks speak up for
them?
10:09 am est 

Secret Ballet

A secret ballet is the only fair way to go, it was always that on money matters

before. Don't know why it changed.

9:46 am est 

Sunday, February 12, 2012

Town Meeting Machinations

Re:  Who posted this? "The charter says the Selectmen hire the Selectmen's secretary...

The Board of selectmen appoint  . . a secretary to the board of selectmen. . .
(section 4-4-4)
The town manager shall hire all town employees, except the secretary to the
board of selectmen (section 7-2-4)"


The town manager is the queen bee as someone else put it.  Selectmen appoint
their secretary, but the charter doesn't define if it is full time position, a
part time position, a paid position or if it could be assigned as a
responsibility to an existing staff person.

10:52 pm est 

Selectmen, Town Manager and Family and Medical Leave Act

The Family and Medical Leave Act was hard won and was a decades long fight
uniting seniors, the disabled, unions, and working families.

Keating, Peake's and Wolf's districts have among them the oldest average ages
and outside Ptown voters will have little use for a politician who fired a long
time employee for being sick however legal the action might be.

The artful dodge created by the Selectmen means none of them could win a
primary and move up to a seat in the State House or heaven forbid Congress. This
act will absolutely come up in any interview process should the Town Manager
wish to work for another Town.
10:44 pm est 

Re: Attention Banner Newspaper

Refreshing to hear at least one officer from the old regieme has maintained his
integrity and not sold his soul to the devil....

10:41 pm est 

Town Meeting Conundrum

Re: "How about just a Town Manager and not an Asst TM personalities aside, do
we need both positions? How about ONE Town Clerk and eliminate the Asst.
Town Clerk postion? . . ."



You can see how difficult any decision like this is, there's obviously no
consensus here, at least any I can see.  While one or more writers are
protesting changing the bos secretary position or the police janitor, others are
suggesting we eliminate positions.

Pretty much guarantees anything that is done will not please everyone.  Don't
spend so much on staff, don't eliminate or restructure any staff.  It's all
covered here.
10:40 pm est 

Re: Town Meeting Procedural Machination

Do you really want town meeting to become a personnel popularity
contest which is what some of you are proposing?  I like so and so, I can't
believe they are eliminating that position.

It makes me think of the teachers.  Teachers who teach our children and arguably
have one of the most important jobs in town.  Where was the outcry when teacher
positions were being eliminated as the high school closed?  Why didn't anyone
speak up for them?
10:32 pm est 

Re: Get Your Facts

You may want to check yours.  Does it say hire or appoint a board secretary? 
Either way the same lady who does minutes for the planning or zoning board could
be the board secretary.
10:28 pm est 

Re: What's up With David Gardner?

"Just proves he is now following his marching orders from Sharon."


Shocking - who is his boss? Oh, that's right.  What the heck would you expect him
to do?
9:56 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue?

With all the talk in here and the rumors of his leaving throughout the town, has
anyone asked Vernon what the situation is? What I do know is that if there is a
personell issue in the town hall, the management is unable to speak of it
outside work. The only one that can is Vernon and then once he does, the others
like Lynn and Gardener can speak of it. Personell matters are personal and
private till the one at the center of it all opens up. Till then, be sure that
there are two sides of the story. Not to say Vernon did anything wrong but there
could be a multitide of issues that surround this decision and he could actually
be leaving in good fashion. Nobody knows till Vernon speaks up.
9:53 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

Someone wrote:

"Sorry to burst your bubbles, but you hire a town manager to make personnel
decisions.  Good luck finding any qualified town manager to work here if you
tell them they have no ability to make staffing decisions.

And you can have all the secret ballots you want, but town meeting procedures do
not provide the opportunity to vote yes or no on personnel decisions.  Neither
the town charter or the bylaws provide you the right to make those decisions."



Who posted this? The charter says the Selectmen hire the Selectmen's secretary.
so, if you have an issue with whats going on, talk to the 3 selectmen that went
along with this behind closed doors, which is how an awful lot seems to happen
in provincetown these days.


Get your facts.
9:51 am est 

Re: "I Love the Comment About the Personnel Committee"

I think maybe you missed the previous writer's point.  I can't speak for him/
her, but I'm guessing the point was that it wouldn't make sense for personnel
decisions to be made by people not involved on a daily basis with the personnel. 
I'm guessing the post was meant to be sarcastic.
9:47 am est 

Sharon Lynn

No, Sharon Does not Make all the Personnel Changes She Wants

She is the town manager. She is not Queen Bee. She does not kill off the
competition. She does not determine that what she wants is what she gets.

She is only town manager. and what she has done to Vernon is despicable. He is
the BOS secretary--not hers.

Sorry to say this but the weakest people make the worse self-serving decisions.
Sharon is not strong and so she secretly makes decisions with her secret
kitchen cabinet and the decisions are too often misdirected.

Vernon deserves thanks and appreciation. Not being fired. Again, I can only say
this is despicable. I am appalled at Sharon Lynn's behavior. she has not grown
or matured in office. Instead, she has become narrow, self-centered and
dangerous to anyone who does not play her ridiculous game.

Is this what the committee voted for when they picked here? she was not then,
nor now. the strongest candidate. but that didn't seem to matter. It was stacked
in her favor and now you get what you voted for.

Sadly.


9:44 am est 

Positions in Town Government

Let's think outside the box and maybe reorganize by eliminating some of the
supervisory positions like in DPW, do we need a director and asst DPW director?
How about ONE position in charge of DPW who is a licensed engineer that doesn't
cost us $40,000 by not maintaining equipement at dump. How about just a Town
Manager and not an Asst TM personalities aside, do we need both positions? How
about ONE Town Clerk and eliminate the Asst. Town Clerk postion? This would save
over $200,000.00 in salaries right there. You can eliminate hours at the Library
to save costs there as well. None of this will ever come to fruition we keep
spinning our wheels around and around. I do give credit to Town administration
for getting our fiscal house in order with Mass. Dept of Revenue. Job well
done!!!! Can we please have a comprehensive plan on paving the streets it feels
like the streets of Lebanon every day, it is atrocious!!! We can do better, no
new POLICE station till the roads are paved once and for all please!!!!
9:39 am est 

Re: What's up With David Gardner?


"A bunch of us asked him about the situation, and he walked away. . ."



Exactly what he should have done.  Any town management official who would
discuss a personnel issue with an outside person should be canned immediately. 

They are putting the town at risk of a lawsuit for discussing confidential
personnel issues. 

Thank you Mr. Gardner for handling as a professional.

9:35 am est 

Housing

Exactly right... They click their heels and a unit magically appears for them... 
That's just how the unit on Pearl St is being filled...  A family with children
leaves an area to come here with no job and no housing and poof one appears for
them!  Now wait....the poor people who have been on a waiting list for the last
two years still sit and wait...  How can that be justified or for that matter
even fair?  So basically, anyone who comes here homeless qualifies first before
the people who have been waiting and following the process properly?

Something is wrong with this picture !!
9:31 am est 

School Politic Realite'

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING related to the schools is controlled
by the school committee.

Two positions up for election on school committee, so far no one is running. 
Someone needs to step up and not just another clone from the school cartel.
9:29 am est 

Re: What's up With David Gardner?

Re: "Just proves he is now following his marching orders from Sharon."


Have you ever been in the real world?  How long would David last if he did not
follow the directions of his boss and decided attempt to undermine her
decisions?  David is performing his job exactly as he should.  He may or may not
have had a private conversation with his boss on the issue, but that isn't
anyone's business, but his.

Wonder if everyone sticking their nose in everyone's business is going to do
more harm than good to Vernon?  We saw how well the strong arm tactics worked
with the dancing cop !
9:25 am est 

Town Meeting Procedural Machination

1) Secret Votes

From Provincetown General By-Laws:
4-4-4-1.  Majority of voters may order a secret ballot.  A majority of those
present and voting may order that the vote on any motion be taken by a secret
ballot.
4-4-4-2.  Vote regarding the Compensation Plan.  A vote shall be taken by secret
ballot on proposed changes affecting payment for services covered by the
Compensation Plan of the Town.

2) Votes By Town Meeting impacting personnel line items

It is clearly within the authority of Town Meeting to approve, modify or reject
any line items within the budget.Actually that is the primary legal role of Town
Meeting.  The grouping of line-items into blocks is a mere convenience. For
example on might wish to to maintain 1 Full Time Admin in the BoS Office and 1
Full Time Admin in the Town Manager's Office. Or eliminate funding for one or
both positions. Or reduce funding for seasonal police officers or etc etc etc

Likewise, voters may attach requirements to spending authorizations. For example
a voter could propose something like the "Administrative Assistant to the Town
Manager must have no less than 19 years experience as a Town Employee". However
a voter should not name a specific individual in the motion.
To amend the budget and/or attach requirements for spending authorization, put
the amendments in writing and sign them and then propose them from the floor
when the specific budget division comes up.
9:22 am est 

Attention Banner Newspaper

I recently was in a local establishment and not so sure I was fortunate enough
to be in the right place or not but, I over heard two people talking about the
article in your newspaper about the local police quota/stopping cars. The best
part of that conversation was when one said that Officer Palheiro got a letter
of reprimand from the police chief for not stopping four cars on his shift.
Apparently the police officers have been instructed that each police officer
must stop four cars on each shift. I was lucky enough to have a pen on me while
I listened and not sure how many are assigned a shift but if there are 3 police
officers on a shift, they have to stop four cars each, that figure came to 12
cars. Add that per shift, per day. Wow, wow, wow. I think the Banner needs to
revisit the police station and ask to see Officer Palheiro letter of reprimand.
9:17 am est 

Re: Provincetown Police Force

"Provincetown has the highest number of police officers per capita then any
other town in Massachusetts. "

Per capita statistics don't mean much in a town like Provincetown. We have a
tiny year round population that swells to ten times in size (or more) during the
tourism season.
9:14 am est 

Re: School Secretaries

Just for the record, one of them retired last year and was replaced at a much
lower salary.
9:12 am est 

Saturday, February 11, 2012

Whats up With David Gardner?

Why is David Gardner not helping Vernon?  A bunch of s uasked him about
the situation, and he walked away.   Shame on him!   Just proves he is now
following his marching orders from Sharon.
5:31 pm est 

Re: Under the Table Work

This is tax fraud and you should be prosecuted

5:27 pm est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue?

". . .  eliminating Vernon's job and creating a duplicate but different
job. However,  they are rewriting it in a way that Vernon will not be qualified.
.  ."

Have you already seen the job description for the new job?  I'm assuming you
have or you wouldn't be able to make that statement.  I suggest posting it here
so we can all see how they are writing it so Vernon will not be qualified.
5:25 pm est 

It's all About Sharon

I love the comment about the Personnel Committee.  Take a look at the
town web site.  The last time the personnel committee met was more than two
years ago. And that was the only time they met that year. There are almost no
minutes on file.

Sharon Lynn is the Personnel Committee and the only person in charge of human
resources.
5:22 pm est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

"1) Dear Just saying, Why not invoke the rules for a secret ballots at
Town Meeting. The process was posted here earlier and is not especially
complicated. . . ."

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but you hire a town manager to make personnel
decisions.  Good luck finding any qualified town manager to work here if you
tell them they have no ability to make staffing decisions.

And you can have all the secret ballots you want, but town meeting procedures do
not provide the opportunity to vote yes or no on personnel decisions.  Neither
the town charter or the bylaws provide you the right to make those decisions.
5:21 pm est 

Re: Provincetown School Secretaries

Why is it the two highest priced secretaries in town hang onto their
jobs and the good people are being pushed out?

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING related to the schools is controlled by the
school committee.

By insinuation you are saying the two highest paid secretaries in town are not
'the good people'.  How on earth do you feel qualified to make that
determination?
5:05 pm est 

Provincetown Police Force

Provincetown has the highest number of police officers per capita then
any other town in Massachusetts.  I have not figured out where all the criminals
are.  How many officers does it take to catch an elderly person with extra
percocet in their possession?
5:02 pm est 

Re: Provincetown School Superintendent

"Watch the Feb 9th Board of Selectmen Meeting on PTV. It's a classic!
And unfortunately, why Provincetown Schools are failing by every measure."


I was at the meeting and your description does not reflect what I saw.  She was
asked her opinion and she provided it.
4:59 pm est 

Re: Town Hall Jobs

'any employee of the town of Provincetown shall remain in their
position until said employee decides to resign or retire'



This is the option we should adopt.  It will make sure no one gets hurt.  Now
eventually we'll end up like Greece, but let future generations worry about
that, it's not a problem we need to worry about today.
4:52 pm est 

Provincetown School Superintendent

Why do we have a superintendent of schools?  Shouldn't they have a
certain number of schools to justify the job?  Doesn't the one in Boston make
the same money?
4:50 pm est 

Provincetown School Superintendent

I could not wait to see the Feb.9 selectmen's meeting to hear the
super of schools speak. I thought she was not abrasive at all nor did I think
she was self serving or unreasonable. Just my opinion.

Just Sayin
4:48 pm est 

Kisses to the Little People

It is simple: if you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you can't afford the rent
here--then move to Hyannis and get a year round job.

It is Saturday night, I'd love to go out and dine: first, a simple plate of
Oysters Rockefeller and an extra dry Martini followed by seared fois gras as my
second appetizer followed by Baked stuffed lobster and an amusing Chardonay and
then a brandy after a sweet desert.

OH, And when the bill comes I'll put down my five dollars and the Provincetown
tax payers can pick up the rest of the tab just as they subsidize my housing,
heat and medical insurance.

Oh, and Kisses and more kisses to each and every one of you little  tax payer
people for doing this for me. (Waiter,dear, my wrap please.)
4:45 pm est 

Options

Yes, we homeowners have options. Since we worked hard and own two homes, we are
going to sell our Provincetown home in 8 years and live in our other home that
is even closer to the water and dine out for ONE THIRD the cost of dining out
here.

1.Top Shelf Martinis are from $5.50-$7.00 depending on which fine dining
restaurant we fancy.

2. dining with candle light, thick cloth napkins and beautiful ambiance and
paying for substantial entries that start at $9.00

3. Our water bills and tax bill don't raise an eye-brow while the ones here come
with sticker shock. year after year after year.

4. We've enjoyed Provincetown for over 30 years the big surprise is how much we
have come to enjoy living in our winter city. I'm over 60 and I'm meeting more
guys and making friends with younger people who just see us as people.


4:42 pm est 

Affordable Housing Tenants

Imagine, working under the table and collecting unemployment all of the "high
earning" years of your adult life and then in your late sixties ending up with a
dismal Social Security check each month. That is what has caused this run for
affordable housing.

Sure you live in a one bedroom low income housing project with no money for
travel or a fancy dinner out or a dependable car. There are people in their 40s
living in  this town now for whom this is a reality.

You break a leg in May and can't work the summer season or reach your 60's and
get diabetes or COPD or fibromyalgia and then see what you life is like.

No equity because of a lifetime of collecting unemployment and living in
affordable housing. Even people with a home who get a reverse mortgage: one
serious illness and your medical bills will deplete your account and while you
won't be forced out--you need to eat and pay your utilities.
4:38 pm est 

Superintendent of Schools

At the Selectmen's meeting on major changes to the Parking Lot, the
Superintendent of Schools showed up to demand access her to VIP space. No
consideration to impact on  jobs, impact on tourism, impact on residents or even
financial impact and only an nominal mention of other school interests at the
parking lots.

She only calmed down when she was assured she's get even more VIP status and
access at the gates as well as VIP recognition from roaming lot attendants.

Watch the Feb 9th Board of Selectmen Meeting on PTV. It's a classic! And
unfortunately, why Provincetown Schools are failing by every measure.

Can't Town get our Superintendent of Schools a car and have one of her two
secretaries pick her up and drop her off each day? I think a getting a car and
using existing personnel as a driver would be  both easier and cheaper than
buying a parking gate system to accommodate an ego?
1:12 pm est 

Under the Table Work

I have used under the table workers for almost every job that I need done.
However, my taxes went into these housing developments via the CPA fund that
should have funded the library and the town hall.

I won't use these folks any more and I'll broadcast who they are if they get
into these affordable housing units.


1:07 pm est 

Affordable Housing

People want to live here--but they don't want to work hard Year Round someplace
else and save up their money and then move to provincetown--they come here and
click their heels together and demand that we build housing for them.

How is it that 300 people have been living here all of their adult lives and
paying rent and suddenly they "can't afford" it and need subsidized housing.

I've worked side by side with people who decided "to party"  their youth away
working here in the summer and collecting unemployment at sunny shores all
winter and now they are crying Poverty.

I can't wait to see them move into affordable housing so we can track their
every illegal move doing side jobs and renting their place out in the summer to
make extra money.
1:06 pm est 

Golden Egg of Developers: Affordable Housing

Besides the tax credits and the ability to flaunt the laws that govern other
residential development, Affordable Housing Developers got their minions on
boards who pressured CPA funding to go to developers and thus paved the way for
these "Housing Developments" into becoming the geese that lay the golden egg for
developers
1:03 pm est 

Funny Thing

I watch the DPW workers pick up trash on Route 6.  They stop, grab 2 pieces of
paper, get back in the truck, drive 30 more feet and do the same...  How about
starting at the traffic lights, park the truck, walk the highway one way, pick
up the trash and then do the reverse....  Nevermind... that means work !


12:04 pm est 

Here We go!

Water main replacement starts Monday.  Fasten your seat belts it's
going to be a bumpy noisy ride.
12:02 pm est 

Why Provincetown?

This ? is not meant to inflame, but only to get information.

Could someone explain the concept of affordable housing.  I understand from the
housing woman talking to the finance committee that once all currently approved
projects are complete we will be within 11 units of the 10% goal, but that
demand is high.  Of course it is high, who wouldn't like to be given something
they can't afford?

I was brought up that if I worked hard I would get ahead in the world, but if I
couldn't afford something I wouldn't be able to have it.  I don't understand the
idea that if I can't afford to have something someone else should give it to me.

Is the idea behind affordable housing the altruistic concept of helping out
those less fortunate?  I can understand that, but I don't know where my
responsibility to help starts and ends.  The housing woman also said Truro and
Wellfleet have far less affordable housing than we do, why is it my
responsibilitty to help other town's who aren't willing to help their own
residents?   By law we aren't able to limit affordable housing to just current
Provincetown residents so do we just keep going until we've satisfied the
shortage for all surrounding towns?


12:01 pm est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue?

Vernon's job has been elemated.  This is one of Sharon's favorite way
of getting rid of anyone who doesn't fit the model of her quasi military
regime...More cops everywhere, a fancy new copshop,
Scarry
11:58 am est 

Town Hall Jobs

The BANNER states that Ms. Hudson has worked for the town for 8 year and wants
to retire with a pension in 2 years.

Vernon was hired by the town Summer of 1999 according to the minutes.  thats 12
1/2 years of employment.

and for that, the town eliminates his job and says "get in line. "

something is a little weird here. I always say you can tell alot about someone
by how they treat their employees.

and does anyone know when this was decided? i didn't see it on tv.


watch your backs people.
11:56 am est 

Where Did We go wrong!

Let's look at some of the things that helped to make the changes.  When the
homeowner reached a certain age they sold their properties at top dollar to move
south instead of keeping the properties in the family, fishing industry choked
by regulations making it an impossible place to support a large family to name a
few.  It was difficult to remain here yearround unless you could get a job
working for the state highway departrment or the local highway department. 
Families kept moving out lessening  classrooms in the schools.
11:54 am est 

Suzanne's Garden

Suzanne's garden was the biggest mistake this town has made.  The idea
that land bank money is free is crazy.
11:52 am est 

Town Elections

Town web site shows at this time there are no contested elections.
11:51 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

"This poor guy is getting screwed, largely because he has health
problems and had to be hospitalized several times last year. . ."


No one gets terminated from town employment because of health issues.  Do you
always write fabrications?  Base your support for Vernon on facts, making up
lies helps no one.
11:49 am est 

Payrolls, Hiring and Firing

Why is it the two highest priced secretaries in town hang onto their
jobs and the good people are being pushed out?
11:46 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

1) Dear Just saying, Why not invoke the rules for a secret ballots at Town
Meeting. The process was posted here earlier and is not especially complicated. 
The peer pressure you describe is pretty compelling and I think many warrants
that have passed lately would have been voted down by secret ballot.

2) Administrative Assistant to Town Officers. It's pretty clear they are
eliminating Vernon's job and creating a duplicate but different job. However, 
they are rewriting it in a way that Vernon will not be qualified. It's a
loophole around ADA and Family and Medical Leave Act. It's directly out of a
lawyers playbook so your taxes are being used to dream up this legal artifice.
As we learn over and over again, one cannot legislate morality.
11:44 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

So does anyone know for sure if Vernon was asked to leave or his
position is being elminated.   Sad if it is.  He has done much for the town


Here's a solution.  Get on the town personnel committee or put up an article at
town meeting to establish a town policy.

Said policy should state either:
  'no personnel hiring or termination decision shall be made by anyone other
than the personnel committee'

Or
'no decision regarding hiring and/or terminating any employee shall be made
without town meeting approval'

Or
'any employee of the town of Provincetown shall remain in their position until
said employee decides to resign or retire'

Any of these would work and would take the authority away from the town manager
or department heads which is what I believe you want to achieve.
11:41 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

". . . This poor guy is getting screwed, largely because he has health
problems and had to be hospitalized several times last year."


Didn't I read in the paper that he hasn't even decided if he would apply for the
position?

11:38 am est 

Commercial Street Water Main Replacement

Just another fabangle project that was suppose to start sometime the end of last
November.   Why 2 1/2 months late?  Was it because David Gardner has been away?  
Sharon is just a puppet?   We all will lose business from this mess in May.   
(this was a perfect winter to start a project of this size with the great
weather we have had)
Just another project that went from grand to mediocore and now who knows how it
will all end up?


11:35 am est 

Re: What's up With the Vernon Issue

Funny, the state mandated change for those retirees eligible for
Medicare to enroll in the program to save money (which I agree with) is a little
underminded by the selectmen allowing the town to supplement the elderly to
allievate a bit of the financial sting but are basically turning their backs on
Vernon because of his hospitalizations. I hope some lawyer takes this case based
on ADA.

Just Sayin
11:33 am est 

Friday, February 10, 2012

Re: Anyone Know What's Going on With Vernon

The banner doesn't tell us if vernon's job is being elimated.  It
might tell you if there are job openings.  Did hear that vernon could apply for
other jobs, but his pay would be much less than currently.
So does anyone know for sure if vernon was asked to leave or his position is
being elminated.   Sad if it is.  He has done much for the town
11:48 am est 

Re: Anyone Know What is Going on With Vernon

I saw the article in the Banner.  They were careful to state that
Vernon had the right to apply for the newly created job. Notice that he has not
been asked to apply, just told that he can.  No one is making Pam re-apply for
her position, because Sharon wants her. This poor guy is getting screwed,
largely because he has health problems and had to be hospitalized several times
last year.  This whole thing is being orchestrated in large part to get rid of
Vernon.  Anyone at town hall familar with the Americans With Disabilities Act?
11:43 am est 

Re: The Flaw in the Open Town Meeting Process

Re: "but it is really difficult to fight against special projects when
blocs are formed by groups. . ."


You're right on that one.  The town meeting form of government to some extent
creates the mess we have, especially with town meetings having such a small
attendance.  A very small group of people can get something passed.  A small
group in comparison to the number of town voters, but a much larger group in
comparison to the size of those at town meeting.

The small vocal group concept is how we got Suzanne's garden, the huge library,
etc.  The blogger before mentioned voting to pause cpa and landbank taxes.  Not
a bad idea, but I can't see it ever happen because small blocs will form against
the idea.  And our taxes will go up and up and up.
11:40 am est 

The Major Flaw in the Open Town Meeting Process

I know our town meeting is a necessitated by state law, but it is
really difficult to fight against special projects when blocs are formed by
groups who come together for just that particular issue and pass them like
Suzanne's garden. I voted  against the garden and against the affordable housing
and I could feel the daggars in my back. And please remember, we were originally
not paying for the Library with taxes but with fund raising.... Things always
change late in the game.


Just Sayin
10:14 am est 

We Only Have Our Selves to Blame!


Don't complain about your taxes going up and how it's becoming
unaffordable to live here.  We keep inflicting it on ourselves.

We voted for the CPA which is being used to pay for affordable housing instead
of historic preservation like the library.  Which means we have to pay for the
library through our taxes.

We voted for the Landbank which bought us Suzanne's garden.  Right there we've
added 6% to everyone's tax bill and we're still too broke to pave the streets. 
But, we keep voting for more.  Now we got to build a new police station and
having been in that dump I agree we need a new one.  Can we use the 6% we
already add to our tax bill? No, we're probably going to have to add another 6%
minimum to our taxes.  Does anyone know if we could suspend the CPA and Landbank
for five years to build a police station or pave the streets?

8:07 am est 

Re: Anyone know what is going on with Vernon?

An article regarding staffing is in this weeks Banner, you might try checking
there.
8:04 am est 

Re: Have Had It!

"Here they come. from Hyannis and from other towns on the Cape. Open up
the doors on Shankpainter. Here they are.

Thanks Sharon for this mess. they are here. You could have done so much better."



Again, you voted for it. If you don't like it blame yourself.  You can try to
say the same thing over and over and over, but if a majority of residents voted
against this project it would not be happening.
8:00 am est 

Realtors, Lawyers...

...same bottom-feeding species. In Provincetown and
throughout the world.
11:46 pm est 

The Lost Soul of a Town

I said it 5 years ago, once the high school leaves the heart will be
ripped out of this community just leaving a corpse for a town---If as much
effort was put into saving the school and utilizing our arts and sciences
available to us as was put into the dog park and rave parties--this town would
have set an example for educators throughout the county on adaptation...But it
is easier for greedy people to throw 200 years of culture and pride into their
new sewer system----and in 10 years this will be all gone and provinctown will
once again change just s it has since it was first settled----
11:44 pm est 

What About Vernon?

Anyone know what is going on with Vernon?  Does he have a job with the
town or has he been given an sort of notice that his position has been
eliminated?
Just wondering
11:42 pm est 

Have Had It!

Here they come. from Hyannis and from other towns on the Cape. Open up the doors
on Shankpainter. Here they are.

Thanks Sharon for this mess. they are here. You could have done so much better.

Did we really need this?
11:40 pm est 

Housing

There has to be a better way to do background checks on past tenants?  Why is
housing not conducting such checks?  I understand a unit is available on 40
Pearl Street as a result of serious damage that was done to it from the last
tenants which had to be gutted... Now.. let's hope  you don't run into the same
problem with the new tenants....  Has anyone checked with their last landlord or
two?  Perhaps you ought to !!
11:12 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

Provincetown's very liberal condo conversion rules allowed condo developers to
cut up single family homes in to smaller units which middle class Bostonian s
could afford as a weekend place. These small condos projects became a storm and
took guest houses, single family houses, and affordable rental apartments away
from town and made them condos.

So everyone who wanted an apartment or single family house in the last 20 years
has been competing with the condo developers.  Yet the economics are very
compelling and many a fortune has been made converting homes into second home
condos. So anyone  who wants to buy or rent in Ptown must be willing to pay more
than the condo conversion developer. So  every real estate transaction must be
priced high enough to keep the condo vultures away.

Want affordable housing? Stop the Condo projects.


11:10 pm est 

Re: Chris Snow-Town Moderator?

Chris Snow for moderator would be a disaster.  He would probably run
town meeting the same way he ran the annual meeting of the monument association.
He provided inaccurate information and said that the organization was in danger
of the Attorney General taking over if the members did not extend term limits.

He is a lawyer who has a long history of cases that seem to take forever to come
to a resolution and costs his clients tons of money.  He has way too much
baggage.

No moderator would be better then Chris Snow
11:06 pm est 

Sick of the Elitist Anti Low Income Ranter!

One thing I love about this town, and I have lived here many years, is that many
here choose to live a simpler life on less money because they love the town and
the gentle open attitude here. Many of them live on far less than they could
make elsewhere. They are Bohemians- they give character to the town and they
have been priced out of Provincetown. They also contribute to the town in many
ways as volunteers, as artists and as gentle people In the last 10yrs the town
population has dropped by 500 people. I know many who have had to move because
they could pay the high rents- many who have lived here for a long time.. Some
of the affordable condos have gone to such people and hopefully many of the apts
will go to them as well. I am one of these ppl. I could stay here if i got on of
the shank painter apts. Why is the poster vilifying low income people? are you
saying all low income people are criminals and druggies? Small minded
intoerance! Why are they intolerant of somethin!
g that makes ptown a place to be proud of ? Maybe they want the town to be full
of rich corporate characterless people? I'm sick of the rant!
11:04 pm est 

Thursday, February 9, 2012

The Word is Out Vote No!

"Everything everyone has been talking about is in the banner this
week....vote no NO no at town meeting"


Oh, oh.  MYPACC says vote no means town will vote yes.
10:58 pm est 

Re: Affordable Housing

I think the person on this blog who despises affordable housing and continually
blathers on about its evils is simply deep down afraid that when he can't pay
the lien against his property and is booted by the bank he's going to end up
applying for shank painter and there won't be any left for him.
10:56 pm est 

The Word is Out-Vote NO!

Everything everyone has been talking about is in the banner this
week....vote no NO no at town meeting
3:02 pm est 

Restaurant Closings?

Someone told me there are 1 maybe 2 restaurants closing their doors in
town and selling their restaurant equipment. Does anyone know for sure which one
or two that may be for sure? I don't want to call on someone unless someone
knows for sure.
2:57 pm est 

Unstable Tenants
 
There are people who are applying for housing who should be under surveillance.
They are being evicted from other apartments around town and they are just
waiting for this housing to open up.

They are moving out rather than face eviction because they know that they will
get a permanent black mark against them and their history will be revealed.

This affordable housing complex is going to be a cauldron of seething
resentment, drugs and anti-social attitudes directed towards the rest of us who
have worked for what we have. I've experienced it personally from a co-worker
years ago (and from others) lambasting me because I'm a home owner!

With drugs, their history of violence and their anti-social bent it gives me the
shivers. The people on my street experienced such a person living in our midst
and a few years ago a guy did such damage to an apt that the whole neighborhood
has been talking about it
10:45 am est 

Crowded Housing

Why are housing developments for the poor over crowded jammed structures using
up every square inch of space for building?

The answer is that the developers can make more money with each one bedroom unit
than they can with a two bedroom unit. Crowd them in and get more rent.
10:42 am est 

Re: Brokers and Pricing

That has to be one of the most illogical, poorly thought out posts I've ever
seen on here. Let's see if we can parse the poster's logic:

- nothing is selling because pricing is too high
- unethical realtors won't let prices be lowered
- therefore unethical realtors would rather see high prices and no income

Are you kidding me? There is every incentive in the world for a realtor to urge
their client to lower their price. Wouldn't a realtor rather get 2.5% commission
on a $500,000 place that sold versus no commission on the same place priced at
$600,000 that just sits on the market unsold? Am I missing something?

Nothing is selling a) because for today's market seller's prices may be
unrealistic b) credit is very hard to come by, particularly for second homes c)
people are still scared witless by the national headlines on housing price
declines, foreclosures, euro-crisis, financial markets, etc.  Where sellers have
methodically lowered their prices, or priced realistically to begin with, in
good locations stuff is selling. That's the way the market works.

I don't love or hate realtors but to say they are artificially in cahoots to
make sure prices stay high and properties unsold is illogical to the extreme.

The sellers controls the price not the realtor.

- not a realtor nor sleeping with one
10:40 am est 

Provincetown High School

I worked with and currently have dealings with former Provincetown High school
students. The Dare Program made some students tell me that they wanted to try
some of the drugs that they heard about.

Another student told me that the guidance counselor told him that he was aiming
too high in applying to such and such a college.

I also know self directed students who are thriving in higher education--but
they were self motivated and driven by their own inner vision.

Remember, Abraham Lincoln would walk miles to go to the library. I went to
college and drifted a bit until a course made me catch fire. It opened up a new
world to me and I immersed myself in these classes and they have enhanced my
life ever since.

Our Provincetown High School class rooms have the same 4 students in
them--students that they have known since first grade and there is no fire much
less a spark. Good luck in the real world students.
9:29 am est 

Re: Real Estate Brokers

"No doubt the real estate brokers are all up at arms and responding to
posts on here in attempt to save face."



I can't agree more that the REALTORS in Provincetown have done a world of harm
to the local market.

I was licensed myself at one point and saw the deception, dishonesty and lack of
ethics first hand causing me to promptly opt out.

REALTOR code of ethics? Not in Provincetown
9:23 am est 

Housing

I am all for housing if it is does correctly....  Checks should be done on all
applicants to be sure they have no violent criminal records....  I don't think
it should just be apply and lottery chosen move-in!  With all that is going on
in this world today, we need to be more cautious...  Let's pay attention and get
the job done right!
9:20 am est 

Wednesday, February 8, 2012

What the Fox?

Anyone else noticing more of them this winter? I've seen at least three in two
weeks -- one in a Wellfleet parking lot and two trotting together down West
Commercial(!), in both cases under streetlights. Another sighting in my alleyway
last night was probably one of the same two I saw on Commercial.

I've gone years without seeing any. Small consolation to a cat lover! I don't
know whether a fox would prey on a full-grown cat, but one thing's for sure:
they're competing for the same mice, voles and garbage. And I fear that a cat
trying to stand its ground is no match for a fox. Meow!


10:06 pm est 

To the 20 Year Teacher in Ptown High

Not for nothing but the very same classes that I got an "A" in PHS Senior year
were so far behind the freshman curriculum in college it was a joke.  When did
you awesome teachers take refresher courses or bother to update textbooks? 
Before you pat yourself on the back and insult my family, my mother and father
(who were simple fishermen folk) taught me more than you teachers ever did, when
you weren't in the teacher staff room smoking that is.
Thanks for alot of fluff and no substance.

A, despite hometown school circumstances, successful business person and
thankful to my simple family indigenous to Provincetown, individual.
10:04 pm est 

A Matter of Bate and Switch-New England Deaconness

Bait and switch.  Right on.  First get rid of anybody associated with
Cape End Manor.  Then fly under the radar.  Riducule anyone who wanted to care
for our elders.  Profit becomes the most important item on the agenda. Now
condos?  Wake up and speak up.  Our elderly deserve it.
5:17 pm est 

Re: Town Moderator

Tom Cohen (the Finance Committee Chair) for Moderator? He'd never run against
the official candidate, but he would probably do a better job than the other
names mentioned here.
5:14 pm est 

Real Estate Brokers

Re: "I for one celebrate how bad the local real estate market has
become in town, only because the brokers are suffering due to their own
stupidity and selfishness
."


The fact you celebrate others misfortune says more about your character than
anything else you may write.
5:12 pm est 

Real Estate Brokers

This latest rant against real estate brokers is so off base it is laughable. The
SELLER sets the price after consultation with his or her broker. Some brokers in
town do suggest/recommend prices that are unreasonable. THose brokers do not
succeed in their profession, they lose credibility and market share. Also BUYERS
set the market as well you will always find that pricing also is influenced by
how much one wants to "overspend" on a property as well. It is a combination of
factors that sets the pricing in Provincetown or any other desirable resort
community. Look at who has been in the business the longest, who has the best
reputation and the best advice and you will find the Market "leader" it is that
simple. He doesn't wait on tables he works 7 days a week working the phones for
his clients buyers and sellers. Do your homework before you speak you sound
bitter and pathetic.
5:09 pm est 

Re: A New Hyannis....

Our property values will go down? I don't think so. Our property values have
gone down just like the rest of Massachusetts, but the real estate agents in our
town have not acknowledged this or allowed us to embrace reality and lower
prices. This is why nothing is selling. The prices are just unreasonable here
because the brokers want to keep the price reductions to a minimum. No one wins,
nothings sells, people are foreclosed upon with properties they can't afford and
forced to hold onto something they should have sold a long time ago just to pay
off the mortagege. More people in Provincetown will not drive the property
values down, because the less than ethical brokers won't let that happen. It's
all about them and their needs. I for one celebrate how bad the local real
estate market has become in town, only because the brokers are suffering due to
their own stupidity and selfishness. They drove the prices up to this ridiculous
rate and they created the mess. Now you see pr!
ominent brokers working jobs as bartenders and wait staff at night to pay their
bills. Serves them right. I will never use a broker in this town to sell my
property, they're delusional.
3:10 pm est 

A Matter of Bate and Switch?

Has anyone heard that New England Deaconness has authorized (not sure
with whose permission or approval?) that the next building to be built will not
be assisted or independent living but instead market rate condominium units
which will be sold on the public market like any other condos. Isn't this a
violation of the contractual relationship which New England Deaconness had with
the town?
3:07 pm est 

Re: For Lack of Foresight

"...an Adult Ed program which has finally happened this year"

You are correct with all the illiterate losers in this town, we should have had
a program like this years ago.  Instead of our illustrious towns people spending
their free time in bars, they could spend an evening with a book in hand.  I
taught at PHS for over twenty years and my students were a product of their
"stimulating" home environments.
3:05 pm est 

Re: A New Hyannis....

More year round residents will not necessarily be a bad thing.  They will
support our local business and add vibrancy to our community.  Not everyone
living there will need a job.  Due to their personal circumstances, many will
receive assistance from the government and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't
welcome them with open arms.  We wanted more affordable housing for our
community and those doors should be open to all who qualify.  Our tax dollars
should be used to take care of citizens that need our help.  We should be
looking at more opportunities to build additional affordable units in town.
11:10 am est 

Re: Pier Matters-Police on Pier

You know it is winter and she has a lot of free time on her hands and posts at a
nauseating pace on the issue that is near and dear to her heart.  Give it a
rest!  Hopefully you will not find this change to personally invasive.
11:08 am est 

Re: Once and Future King

Re: "Taxpayers of Provincetown deserve (DEMAND) to know how and why OUR
money is being spent (wasted); by whom and for what reason(s)!"



Did you go to the Finance Committee meeting on Tuesday when it was discussed at
length?  You demand, oh sorry, DEMAND to know how and why your money is being
spent.  That's a good idea, but do you take advantage of any of the many
opportunities to learn about the 'how and why'?  Or do you choose to sit at your
computer and make your DEMANDS ?

The Board of Selectmen have discussed this, the Pier Corporation discussed this,
the Finance Committee  discussed this, did you go to any of the meetings?  I'm
just guessing here, but I suspect the answer is no.  You like the anonymity of
hiding in this blog making your DEMANDS.
11:06 am est 

Police Chief's Future

In two years the police chief will be gone and we will be left with
all the restructuring he has implemented good or bad.

Just Sayin
11:02 am est 

For Lack of Foresight

It's a sad thing to watch the Provincetown High School close its
doors. It feels as if part of what makes the soul of this town is going dark. I
graduated from PHS in a class of over 40! Today, the graduating class is less
than 10! Why couldn't the town rally behind the schools and work to develop an
Arts and Sciences school? We have such a rich and diverse community of artists,
artisans, chefs, and of course, our Center for Coastal Studies which is one of
the top marine institutions in the country! Creating a magnet school that is an
attraction for kids with a passion for the arts and sciences could have been a
win win for P-town! The only member of the School Committee that vocally
supported this idea was Kerry Adams. It seems that he was the lone member of the
board that really wanted to see this happen. He's also the only member of the
board that has been pushing for an Adult Ed program which has finally happened
this year!

It's such a sad thing to watch a school close and see our kids go elsewhere. We
claim to want families to move into town, yet there are so few affordable homes
that have more than 1 bedroom! As a community, we have to do more to support our
schools and entice families to want to live here.

10:58 am est 

Re: " But Now I Think That is is the Most narrow-Minded Place I Have Ever Lived"
 
If you are getting your information from this blog or letting this blog
influence your thoughts . . .
10:53 am est 

A New Hyannis....

No wonder a newer bigger police station is in the works.  Section 8 housing on
Shankpainter.  Provincetown is destined to become the new Hyannis.  Riddled with
robberies, shootings and mayhem.  Of course we will need a new police, with more
cells and booking stations.  Time to get out of Dodge folks.  Your property
values are going to go WAY down!
10:47 am est 

Re: " Why Are We Allowing Our High School to Close...."

Perhaps because there are almost no students?
10:45 am est 

Shankpainter Housing Development

I remember when a long time member of the selectmen said that the new
developments being built back in the eighties would be a blight on the town.
Funny that never happened!In fact some of those homes now sell for almost half a
million dollars! And if I was a gambling man, I'd bet that she is the one
blogging the same things today about the Shank-painter housing rentals.
Somethings and some people never change. People have been saying this town is
not what it used to be since the pilgrims stole the Indians corn!
10:41 am est 

Re: Pier Matters-Police on Pier

Ah, Oh, OOh

seems like someone has touched your little nerves. nasty is more from yur little
posting than what I read here.
11:41 pm est 

A Once and Would be King

It has been rumored that our Police Chief is so anxious to step up
"the long arm of law" out on the Pier that he even dispatched two of his
full-time officers to a southern state(or somewhere in that vicinity) for a full
week of Coast Guard training! Apparently, the boys in blue were spirited away in
the dark of night to board a plane for the balmy climes of the south. Yes ladies
and gents, a full week of training on all matters Coast Guard and it was all
done on OUR dime!

This all begs the obvious question: WHY? It also begs the question: ON WHOSE
AUTHORITY WAS THIS DONE? Shouldn't the taxpaying citizens of Provincetown be
apprised of such clandestine matters? After all, we're the fools that are
footing the bill! Wasn't this entire matter supposed to be discussed on Town
Hall floor for the consumption of the "voters" first? You know, you and me!

Taxpayers of Provincetown deserve (DEMAND) to know how and why OUR money is
being spent (wasted); by whom and for what reason(s)! This all sounds like folly
and a terrible waste of resources that are sorely lacking. Hell, we can't even
pave our own pitiful roads!

Imagine Joe and Judy Tourist arriving in P-town after their  lengthy car ride to
the Cape only to be met by head banging potholes and garbage strewn streets this
summer. "Hmmmm Judy" says Joe, "I thought Provincetown was a charming little
seaside village with picturesque homes and quaint little shops? We'll wear out
the shocks on the car before we even make it to the town center! Let's get outta
here!" "Now just you wait a minute there Joe!" says Judy "I didn't come all this
way to turn around now! Let's get off this awful road to hell and try thatta
way!" CRUNCH, CRASH,BANG "Judy, call triple A, I think we've demolished the
sedan!" Joe, call the police and hurry! cries Judy. I did dear, they told me
theyre all out patrolling the harbor

11:39 pm est 

Where Did We go Wrong?

I came here sixteen years ago to live full-time. I was more fortunate
than some that I had the kind of job that I could do from anywhere. I was also
fortunate to be able to buy my own home after only a couple of years doing the
winter-rental / summer-rental dance.

There is so much that I have loved about living in Provincetown and being part
of this community. But it is very different than what I thought it would be.  I
expected more of a "live and let live" attitude than one finds elsewhere in the
US. I expected that the political progressiveness that is shown in the way that
Provincetown voters vote in general would be reflected in the way that
Provincetown citizens regard one another and in the way that we decide to run
our local government.

But now I think that is is the most narrow-minded place I have ever lived.

What happened?  Why is it that so many residents do not even bother to vote or
even be informed? What on earth made us think it was a good idea to hire a cop
to be the town manager? Why are we considering investing millions of dollars in
police infrastructure? Why are good and creative people being driven away from
town participation? Why are we allowing our high school to close rather than
creatively restructuring it?  There are many more of these questions. And I wish
I knew the answers.

11:35 pm est 

Shankpainter Affordable Housing

To the blogger who has nothing but bad views of the affordable rentals
being built on Shank-painter. It seems to me that you are too late to change
anything about this development! Its a done deal and people will be moving in
soon. why don't you think of something positive to help this new neighborhood
blend in more with the fabric that makes up the Provincetown community. Bad
mouthing it does not one thing to change what it is. Maybe start a new welcome
wagon to greet the new, year round tenants to our town? There are many other
ways you could help with this new era of Provincetown I'm sure.  You might even
be surprised to see people that you know! Old, young, gay, straight, townies,
newcomers, white, black and everything in between. Just like Provincetown has
always been. Every town and city in the united states now has some form of
affordable housing. So lets make the best of it because its here now!
11:31 pm est 

Shankpainter Housing

Only time will tell!!!!  One decision like the
decision to build this monstrosity can affect a community more than anyone can
begin to imagine. I truly hope my concern is unfounded.
11:29 pm est 

Re: Pier Matters

"I wonder if the POLICE will assist in the passenger ferry rentals
during 4th of July for the Night Boat Cruise . . ."


Three posts in a row on the Pier, you're working yourself into a tizzy huh?
11:24 pm est 

Re: Pier Matters

An Asst. Harbor Master was Arrested and Has Pleaded Not Guilty

From the Cape Cod Times:

January 10, 2012

ORLEANS  A seasonal assistant harbormaster in Provincetown pleaded not guilty in
Orleans District Court on Monday to a charge of illegal possession of Percocet,
a pain reliever containing oxycodone......DeMatteis was arrested Nov. 9 (2011)
after Provincetown police Detective Scott Chovanec and two federal agents
witnessed him purchasing pills from a Conwell Street resident, according to a
police report."

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120110/NEWS/201100315
11:21 pm est 

Re: Pier Matters-Police on Pier

"Why is a Full Time Detective being pulled from the streets to be
become a Marine Officer/Harbormaster on Macmillan Pier? . . ."



Do you think all the Pier whinings may be coming from one person?  Perhaps a
former Pier employee?
11:17 pm est 

Re: Pier Matters-Police on Pier

The harbormasters office has a police radio.  Can't they just call
down the do nothing police in Lopes Square for assistance during the summer?
11:14 pm est 

Tuesday, February 7, 2012

Re: "Police on Pier" "Shankpainter", etc.

Have you noticed the common theme that bitter blogger continues to spew:
- doesn't like anything the gays do be it a boat cruise or a rebuild of a
dilapidated house
- doesn't like anyone who needs housing assistance of any form
- doesn't like anyone whose grandfather wasn't a fisherman
- doesn't like anyone in town government particularly if they are gay and
lesbian and any decision made by town government
- doesn't like anyone who has more or less money than he does

Basically a bitter, bile spewing, hate-filled person who has been given
unlimited license to anonymously blather on here about the same topics over and
over again. Though I don't like the source of the term I'd say this is a perfect
example of "nattering nabob of negativity."


2:08 pm est 

Pier Matters-Full Time Detective on Pier?!

Why is a Full Time Detective being pulled from the streets to be
become a Marine Officer/Harbormaster on Macmillan Pier? Do we have an unknown
crime problem on the pier that warrants a full time police presence there?
Didn't Harbormaster Rex McKinsey go to the police academy as part of his
training? If a problem really exists on the pier, why can't McKinsey investigate
it and then notify the police? Is their response time to MacMillan Pier so slow
that they need full time manpower out there?

One can only imagine the Blessing of the Fleet this summer. Police on patrol
boats inspecting private boaters? People being arrested for drinking on boats
(operators aside)?  Isnt that the Coast Guards job anyway? Seems weve managed
all these years to make the pier and harbor work just fine without a police
presence there? So whats broken?

The police budget is out of control! Now Jarran states that he will be hiring a
3rd THIRD detective!  Provincetown always managed with one detective and now we
need three?? !  A detective making over $50,000 a year will now be sitting at
the pier doing little or nothing but traffic control and riding around in a
boat? Instead of posting a full time detective at MacMillan Pier, perhaps Mr.
Jarran should look at areas that are actually known havens for crime and drugs
(you know where they are and need look no further than the center of town)!

I for one, plan to vote NO on this foolishness! Whose crazy idea was this
anyway? These are our tax dollars! We need to make these people accountable to
the voters of Provincetown for a change! Property values are on the decline, yet
our tax rate keeps rising! You do the math. When is enough really enough? Have
we forgotten how to say NO?

11:52 am est 

Police on Pier

I wonder if the POLICE will assist in the passenger ferry rentals during 4th of
July for the Night Boat Cruise proposed on July 5th leaving the dock and
returning at 2 am, gee i thought you couldn't have entertaiment after 1 am? I
guess the Police will make sure all the rules apply to everyone and inspect the
boat like they do the clubs? Let's see how Sharon and Jeff handle this one?
9:19 am est 

170 Bradford Street

The renovation at 101 Bradford Street has real brick chimmny and
Huricane windows.... Why is it that the new building at 170 Bradford does not?
Hurricane engineering is the law not a suggestion!

Just Sayin
8:16 am est 

Re: Library Janitor

"Some people are so clueless,ofcourse every week employees of this town
are workin more than 40 hrs,and there most certainly was someone workin overtime..."


Slow down and read the previous bloggers post.  The point was whether the
library janitor was working 7 days a week, 8 hours a day and the previous poster
said that was most likely not the case.

8:15 am est 

Shankpainter Housing Development

Community preservation funds of 1,000,000 voted back in 2006 for 90
Shankpainter acquisition .  Elaine Anderson Chair of community preservation
committee at the time. This is Elaine's Legacy more than any one person. Plain
and simple.
1:12 am est 

90 Shankpainter - Bit of History

Yes began in 2006-however it has been an on going process and has
evolved since then and current BOS have publicly supported it -in fact-
Elaine Anderson has been a huge proponent publicly as well.  Just
because the land vote was back in 2006 does not mean this project will
not be the legacy Elaine Anderson and her BOS supporters. 

When the whole thing backfires- this is what we are going to hear and see - Back
Peddling !! Current Selectmen are responsible - end of story.
1:10 am est 

Life in Hyannis Has Deteriorated

And now we can expect Hyannis to move here in Provincetown. It is open to
anyone--not just Provincetown. so bring them on. Low cost housing--the door is
open and the land is yours for the taking. And as for the commercialspace, here
we go again. The new Boston owners of the land--oh, yes, renters who own the
land for 99 years at $1-- will now compete against Provincetown landlords.

Is there anything that makes sense about this project?

I hope this woman leaves for Palm Spring. That would be a godsent for us.
1:06 am est 

Re: Pier Matters

To the blogger who wrote that one of the Asst. Harbormaster was
arrested for "dealing drugs":

A) He wasn't arrested

B) a few (8-9) percoset is hardly enough to make one a "drug dealer"!

C) Get your facts straight before you post slanderous BS on this site!
1:05 am est 

90 Shankpainter is Not Only Mixed Income-It's a Mixed Monstrosity!

Why this disaster here? It was our land and our perpsective that determined what
would be built here. On this one Sharon, you can't blame anyone else but you.

Poor thinking and worse poor direction on this disaster. It is ugly,
over-developed and a slum in appearance. We are a tourist town and don't need
the uglification of Provincetown.

Affordable housing and rentals are good but this is terrible. How awful to have
this here.


1:03 am est 

Re: Pier Matters

I hear the cops are going to be on the pier in full riot gearm this
summer! After that, they're placing them in front of Spiritus from 1am - 4am
(just in case). Its also been rumored that they're issuing speedos to the new
summer cops to "blend in" under the Boatslip deck in the wee hours!

I think our chief needs that new police station to house the massive number of
officers he'll need to hire to keep our streets safe from whatever it is that's
got him so nervous! Apparently the crime rate on the pier has gotten out of
control!

Can you just imagine the headlines in the Banner this summer: "Major sting on
Macmillan Pier"... 2 of Provincetown's elite Marine Patrol officers were
involved in a sting this week on Macmillan Pier when they apparently strayed too
close to a Portuguese Man-o-War. The angry creature stung the officers numerous
times requiring an emergency response from the Provincetown Rescue Squad. Both
officers are convalescing after the attack and are expected to make a full
recovery...

Ahhh summer, it can't come soon enough!

1:01 am est 

170 Bradford Street

As an abutter to this property I attended a couple of meetings that was held for
this property.  The owner was granted permission to demolish and rebuild with
the understanding the front façade of the building on Bradford street have the
same look as the original building.  It is not a renovation but rather a new
building with the old look on one side.

12:59 am est 

Monday, February 6, 2012

Re: "The Way to go is Snow! Let it Snow, Let it Snow!"

You wouldn't say this if you'd been at the Monument members' meeting last June. 
He royally screwed that up - ask anyone who was there.  He was making things up
as he went along and showed zero respect to the members.

Anyone would be better than him.
10:48 pm est 

Re: My Vote for Town Moderator Would go to Chris Snow!

As someone mentioned previously is someone who is suing the town and town
officials every other week an approriate choice for town moderator?

I'm thinking that would be a no.
10:47 pm est 

Re: Library Janitor

Some people are so clueless,ofcourse every week employees of this town
are workin more than 40 hrs,and there most certainly was someone workin overtime
at  the library this weekend and when someone is called in to check the furnace
at the school its an automatic 3hrs pay even if u only work an hour....guess you
have never been on the town payroll or union
10:45 pm est 

90 Shankpainter Road -- A Bit of History

At the April Town Meeting in 2006, the first article regarding the acquisition
of the property at 90 Shankpainter Road for community housing purposes, using
$1,000,000 of Community Preservation funds, was on the Special Town Meeting
warrant. The article passed by a 2/3rds vote, with one amendment by the Finance
Committee.

Keith Bergman was the Town Manager then, not Sharon.

None of the current members of the Board of Selectmen were selectmen at the
time.

Mary-Jo Avellar was the moderator, not a member of the Board of Selectmen.

Current selectman Elaine Anderson was the chair of the Community Preservation
Committee, at the time.

All but one current member of the current Finance Committee were not on the
committee, at the time.

Town Meeting has supported every subsequent vote for funding of the project.

Whether or not you or I  supported the project at the time of the key votes,
it's a done deal. Personally, I think that has the potential to improve
Shankpainter Road which, let's face it honestly, is not a very attractive
"gateway" to the Town. Try taking the CCRT bus from Orleans to Provincetown and
you'll understand what I mean compared to the other towns on the outer cape.
I've looked at the landscaping plans and believe that it will be much more
attractive than it is now during construction.

Here's the thing that is really bothering me about some of the conversation on
this topic -- it reminds me of veiled "racial fears" that occurred in Boston
during the so-called "busing crisis". I lived on the border of the South End
which has many "community housing" developments, but the infusion of new
residents who demanded better services from the city has transformed the area
into a much safer, cleaner and more family friendly environment over time.

Change is difficult, but I believe we should embrace it. This is an opportunity
to provide housing for families who need more affordable housing, and who will
add to our community and its schools is important.
10:43 pm est 

Shankpainter Afforable Housing Development

"Yes the BOARD OF SELECTMAN ARE TO BLAME AND WILL HAVE THIS LEGACY ON
THEIR HANDS."


I'll ask the question again - who was on the BOS when this was approved?
7:51 pm est 

Snow For Moderator

My vote for Town Moderator would go to Chris Snow! As an attorney, he
knows the law and as we all know, a legal aptitude is important for a Town
Moderator! Remember ATTORNEY Rosalyn Garfield everyone? She has yet to find an
equal on that stage. My money's on Snow! Avellar has too many skeletons in her
closte(s)! If she gets her way, she'll do everything she can to trash the pier
(her husbands prior place of employment). Ms. Avellar has no love loss for the
current management of MacMillan Pier and it shows. Bakker would do a good job,
but I fear his lack of legal knowledge may be troublesome. The way to go is
Snow! Let it Snow, let it Snow!
7:49 pm est 

Pier Matters

Over and over, I hear about the "move" on the part of the Pier Corp.
Board of Directors and the Provincetown Police Dept. to place armed Police
Officers on MacMillan Pier FULL TIME, 24/7 during the summer season! Now I have
to ask: Is the crime rate on MacMillan Pier so high that it warrants a full time
police presence? Or is this all just our illustrious police chief's idea of a
little "empire building"? No matter how you slice it, it still spells a bigger
budget and more manpower for Jarran! Ah yes, our tax dollars hard at work yet
again!

Just ask any member of the Pier Corp. and they will all tell you "It's just a
Pilot Program", give it a year and we will revisit next year! Does anyone
remember a "Pilot" Program that didn't eventually grow into a full-fledged
"Program" program? I can't!

I wonder what the tourist populace will think as they disembark their respective
ferries and set foot on MacMillan pier to be met by armed officers. What's going
on in P-town that warrants this sort of firepower and police presence? Should we
fear for lives? Has the drug problem become so bad that it's even reached the
end of the pier? Yikes! Maybe it's those fishermen? Are they doing illicit and
illegal things on the pier? Should we leave the kids at home? Is it safe here?
Is it safe in P-town? What gives?

The many times that had to go to the pier to pick up friends getting off the
ferries, I was met by absolutely the nicest and friendliest staff of
Harbormasters. None of them were armed. They were ALWAYS friendly, polite and
respectful! I don't recall there ever being a single problem! So what went wrong
that we now need cops on MacMillan? Can ANYONE explain this foolish idea to me,
please?

7:47 pm est 

Shankepainter Housing Development

I'v already heard the Shankpainter area refered to as Slum City. Too
bad its only going to get worse.
Just Sayin
7:44 pm est 

Library Janitor

To the person who thinks the current Janitor doesn't work 7 days a week, 8 hrs a
day. Just ask the previous Janitor what he worked for hours per day, and how
many days and you might not be so suprised at what someone posted about the
current Janitor.
7:42 pm est 

Re: Shankpainter Housing Development

"Yes the BOARD OF SELECTMAN ARE TO BLAME. . ."


Who were the BOS at the time it was approved?  I'm not sure how far back this
goes.
7:41 pm est 

Re: Pier Matters

"If we fired all employees who have been arrested for such minor
offences, then we would have no one eligible to be town employees."


I know of no town employees with a criminal record.  Doesn't mean there isn't
one, but your sweeping statement isn't based on fact.  While you may think it's
OK to have an arrest record it's not.
2:11 pm est 

Re: Library Janitor
 
". .and at the moment she is working 7 days a week 8hrs a day and that is 16 hrs
at time and half every week. . ."


I think you are most likely mistaken.  No one is allowed to work eight hours a
day, 7 days a week.  State law requires a minimum of one day off per week and no
matter what you think of town staff I'm sure they are smart enough to know they
can't work someone 7 days a week.
2:09 pm est 

Shankpainter "Mixed Income" Housing
 
Yes the BOARD OF SELECTMAN ARE
TO BLAME AND WILL HAVE THIS LEGACY ON THEIR HANDS.  THE PHYSICAL EYESORE IT IS
DOES NOT WORRY ME AS MUCH AS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS . THIS IS A TOURISTS
COMMUNITY-PRAY OUR CRIME RATE DOES NOT ESCALATE -THE DYNAMICS OF THIS HOUSING
CAN LEAD TO SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS TOWN AND ITS RESIDENTS/TOURISTS. 
AGAIN- BLAME THE BOS .
2:06 pm est 

170 Bradford Street:

The project seems to be going quickly and looks pretty good; however:
          Does Historical District Commission really approve of fake chimneys
when they do not allow "Hardy Boards" or other "fake" sidings?

          The installed Anderson windows do not appear to be "Storm Watch"
(hurricane) windows. I hope our building inspector does not consider this
project a "renovation" rather than new construction!

Daily Reader
2:03 pm est 

Shankpainter Housing Development

The new development on Shank-painter is MIXED income! Get your facts
right.
12:11 pm est 

Re: "We Have Lowered Our Standards"

Impossible!
10:56 am est 

The Monstrosity

We taxpayers paid one million dollars of our money to buy the land to give to
these developers. What lavish,comfortable, country living they are providing for
low income residents.

90 Shankpainter Rd is a monstrosity born of greedy, low income housing
developers.
10:53 am est 

Too Big too Crowded!

It is one thing living in a town established where the Pilgrims first landed
full of narrow streets and chock-a-block-houses.

It is another thing to build a low income housing development of crowed units
stacked upon each other with no room to breath.

10:51 am est 

Low Income Housing

We now have a designated low income housing development section of Provincetown
at the end of our Industrial park. Near the dog park.
10:50 am est 

Den of Iniquity

Years ago people were going to meetings and protesting this development. It was
pointed out in the media two or three years ago by law enforcement that studies
show that the concentration of low income housing stigmatizes a neighborhood and
is a den of unlawful activity.

90 Shank painter Rd on one side of the street-another low income housing
development on the other side of the street.
Low income housing developments identify this part of town.
10:48 am est 

Town Manager

Wes Welker for Provincetown Town Manager?
10:47 am est 

Re: School Heating System

The VMES heating system problems were well documented and widely
understood. What is remarkable is that a renovation was begun without adressing
the failing  heating system.

Instead town hall waited for the inevitable emergency and the associated
additional costs associated with with crisis management and having to undo and
redo previously completed renovations.
It's amazing how much money town wastes because of lack of competent management.
10:45 am est 

Re: Pier Matters

"Which assistant harbormaster is not getting rehired, the one who was arrested
for dealing drugs or the one arrested for assault & battery?"


Who in this town doesn't have a few skeletons in their closet?  If we fired all
employees who have been arrested for such minor offences, then we would have no
one eligible to be town employees.  Our town has a very diverse group as year
round residents and if we can't look the other way when our friends and family
have had a few run ins with the law, then what kind of compassionate community
are we?
10:43 am est 

Re: Shankpainter Affordable Housing

The town manager carries out the wishes of the Board of Selectmen.
Fault those knuckleheads that approved the carbuncle on Shankpainter. That is
their legacy not the current Town Manager's. In fact, former selectman Lynn
Davies was the only one who questioned additional affordable housing with no new
job strategy.

10:41 am est 

Re: Shankpainter Affordable Housing

I DON'T THINK SHARON IS THE PERSON TO PLACE THE BLAME ON.  THIS PROJECT HAD THE
APPROVAL FROM TOWN BOARDS.I ATTENDED ONE OF THE HEARINGS WHERE THE BOARD MEMBERS
THEMSELVES WERE ASKING LITIGIMATE QUESTIONS.  WOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN THESE
COMMITTEES THAT WOULD HAVE PLACED STIPULATIONS ON THINGS SUCH AS SAVING OF
CERTAIN TREES AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDINGS?
10:39 am est 

The Advocate

The Advocate Newspaper had several owners over the years since its
inception.  Whether people want to acknowledge it or not,the advocate always was
and will be Provincetowns paper of record,a fact verified by
librarians,historians,researchers,& former Banner staff. In addition to the
Advocate,other Provincetown weeklies were the New Beacon & the Banner,but none
have outlived the Advocate as long. That's not too trashy!
10:37 am est 

Re: School Heating System

". . .  EVER HEAR OF THE GAG ORDER!  IT'S CALLED SHUT UP OR YOU'LL LOSE
YOUR JOB. . ."


Betty and Alma both make $70,000+ a year.  They are not secretaries with minimal
responsibilities or if they are they are WAY overpaid for their positions.  A
$70K + position should have enough responsibility to speak up if they know
something important.

You can't have it both ways.  Either these two $70K positions are high enough
positions that they should have spoken up or these two $70K positions are
grossly overpaid and we the taxpayers are being ripped off.  You tell me which
it is.
10:34 am est 

Rumination About Town Management

Well... Let me begin... the police should make more than an assistant
harbormaster, they do three times the work....  As for the paid details they do,
that costs the town nothing...  They are paid for by the contractor....  Those
details are done by officers on their off days and that is no ones business what
they do when they are off...What difference does it make if they do a paid
detail or work extra at the Stop & Shop?  Can't anyone just mind their own
business anymore?
10:32 am est 

Re: Provincetown Machinations ala the Janitor

I know the town just hired a full time janitor for the library and at
the moment she is working 7 days a week 8hrs a day and that is 16 hrs at time
and half every week..if u go there today u will see someone who works for the
town filling in at time and a half. ..so... the police station really only needs
a part time janitor? or is it they just want to harass him and force him to
early retirement after workin there for 25 years..
10:30 am est 

Re: Shankpainter Housing

". .   this monstrosity is right on shankpainter. SHARON
and ELAINE ANDERSON - Thank you for such a slap in all provincetown residents
faces. What could ever have been the reason for approving such a development.
This will be both of your legacy's."


I know u don't want to hear the truth, but Sharon and Elaine can build
absolutely nothing unles town meeting voters approve it.  If it's as bad as you
say 20 years from now people will say 'what were those idiots at town meeting
thinking', no one is going to blame town authorities who had no power to build
anything on their own.
10:27 am est 

Sunday, February 5, 2012

Re: Pier Matters

"Which assistant harbormaster is not getting rehired, the one who was
arrested for dealing drugs or the one arrested for
assault & battery?"

Thanks for the laugh of the day.
2:03 pm est 

Shankpainter Housing

Someone tell me how this development adheres
to none of the town setbacks-  this monstrosity is right on shankpainter. SHARON 
and ELAINE ANDERSON - Thank you for such a slap in all provincetown residents
faces. What could ever have been the reason for approving such a development.
This will be both of your legacy's.
12:28 pm est 

The Fault is in Ourselves


"But where were you Sharon. Are you so blind that you could not see
how ugly this entire project now is?"


Sharon makes an easy scapegoat for you because you have other issues with her,
but all of you super smart residents voted for this project.  Try looking in the
mirror when you want to blame someone.  None of this can happen without your
approval and approve it is exactly what you did.

Look in the mirror.

12:25 pm est 

Re: School Heating System

"DID ANYONE ASK BETTY OR ALMA IF THEY REPORTED THE FACTS. . ."


Why are you shouting?  Last I knew Alma retired and got a relative her job at
the school so you wouldn't ask her daughter-in-law or cousin that took her job.

Look, mistakes were made across the board here.  If Betty/Alma knew they should
have said the heating system was on it's last legs, the school superintendent
should have said something, the principle should have said something, the town
manager should have asked.  There's enough blame to go around here, everyone
gets a piece.
12:23 pm est 

Pier Matters

Policy changes aren't always better. A few weeks ago there was info on
this blog about a system that worked more efficiently at less cost. The
harbormaster and Assistants,and there was far less of assts. than now,policed
the pier themselves and only in serious neccesity called police for backup which
is P.D.'s job.

There was mention made of a state mandated "brown book" test
given to harbor/wharf asst. personnel giving them authority to do their own
policing  The blog reminded taxpayers that the commercial activity on a
bigger,newer pier is far less than before. 

Only a few large commercial local boats and very few from this port,no large
committee are dumping their resonsibility on the police dept and taxpayers.

The salaries have far exceeded what was paid before to people doing more
than the job requires now. If the system worked before why would it be changed?
If anyone respoded to the blog before I must have missed it! 

This weeks Banner  says there are outstanding uncollected boat fees,the process
is for the harbormaster to take them to court and the judg decides.                                             
10:03 am est 

Ruminations About Town Management

". . ..good thinking town manager,do you realize they dont even have
enough poice to do details here that is why you will see truro doing many of
them and what do the police get payed for a detail 40 an hour more or less..it
really bothers me that sharon thinks . . ."


Ah yes, the good old days when we had our own little language and we all
understood each other.  I read your posting and I can't tell what you are trying
to say other than Sharon is bad.  Is the gist of the rest of your posting that
the police are taking work away from the assistant harbormasters and they get
paid less and they need a job?  Which assistant harbormaster is not getting
rehired, the one who was arrested for dealing drugs or the one arrested for
assault & battery?
9:55 am est 

School Heating System

YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT WHEN YOU WRITE BETTY WHITE OR ALMA W SHOULD HAVE COME
FORWARD.  EVER HEAR OF THE GAG ORDER!  IT'S CALLED SHUT UP OR YOU'LL LOSE YOUR
JOB. SHOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SUPERINTENDENT TO REPORT
THE FACTS. DID ANYONE ASK BETTY OR ALMA IF THEY REPORTED THE FACTS OR IS SOMEONE
LOOKING TO POINT FINGERS NOW THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
9:49 am est 

Yikes!! Shankpainter Housing is too Big, too Ugly, too too

Thanks Sharon. This will be your legacy. Ugly houses, over-built developments
that smell of slums. Welcome Hyannis. Here we are with open arms. We have
lowered our standards, built and overbuilt in this once lovely area of land. We,
the town of Provincetown, owned it. But we sold it for $1 to developers and
Sharon you did nothing to preserve the trees, to keep few buildings on this lot
and now we have the worse overdeveloped land I've seen in years. All so close
together. And the commercial space two inches from Shankpainter road. it is
disgusting. It just did not have to be. But where were you Sharon. Are you so
blind that you could not see how ugly this entire project now is?

If this were Chatham, they would run you out of town.
9:46 am est 

Paper News

Me thinks Gatehouse is getting ready to wipe out Ptown office. They are
advertising the jobs of the locals. They have not sent contracts to their year
round advertisers for 2012. Bye, Bye, Banner.
9:42 am est 

Disaster On Harry Kemp Our Legacy to Charles Hawthrone

For all the talk and for all the references to Charles Hawthorne what this town
has done with his legacy and his land is disgusting. These houses built on his
dunes and near his studio is an abomination. Quote Charles Hawthorne. Speak
about his importance but spend not a dime to preserve his land, his dunes, his
legacy. These were dunes treated as sand pits by the Selectmen. They knew
better. What a tragedy when this town could have preserved his land and kept
simple houses on what were and are dunes. But no, they were viewed and described
as no more than sand pits, nothing special, according to the BOS and our
Conservation Committee. they should all hang their heads in shame.
9:39 am est 

Re: Provincetown Machinations

" . .pick up the phone and speak to Betty White or Alma W who could
have told you the heating system was "a nightmare" waiting to explode."


Sorry, if Betty White knew the heating system was an issue the responsibility
was hers to speak up.  She let the town down.
12:00 am est 

Saturday, February 4, 2012

Ruminations About Town Management

I met a elderly man while out in town today and he said i have been in
town since 1973 and i watched you grow up and i said provincetown was beautiful
then and we smiled and then he said since the 90's every year gets worse..o how
right he is,only those who were here then really do know how much this town has
lost..and.. by the way the police make more an hour than an assistant harbor
master,this is all going to cost the town more money ..good thinking town
manager,do you realize they dont even have enough poice to do details here that
is why you will see truro doing many of them and what do the police get payed
for a detail 40 an hour more or less..it really bothers me that sharon thinks
nothing of takin away jobs from people who really need them..i bet you will be
seeing a year round police officer working down the pier this summer and we know
they are paid well by the hour....
 
9:27 pm est 

Re: Paper News

It is called Gatehouse Media and is huge...traded publicly.
So much for hometown News. Those days are gone!
Continue to read this blog if you want to know what your
Neighbors are thinking!
8:53 pm est 

Banner

How about investigative journalism with regards to the following:
1. spill at the dump LAST FALL due to negligence that will cost the Town over
$45,000.00. Who is in charge of making sure efficacy of equipement and weekly or
monthly maintenance? The insurance company denied the claim?? Don't you want to
know as taxpayers why this occured???

2. Lack of foresight of cost over runs with VMES when anyone just had to pick up
the phone and speak to Betty White or Alma W who could have told you the heating
system was "a nightmare" waiting to explode. Which it has? Who is responsible
for evaluating these Capital Works studies and if they are accurate and meet
standards? Ask Sharon? No Ask David G, no Ask David G, no ask Sandy T. Can't we
do better than this?

3. Now we are going to have POLICE on Pier, another "well" thought out approach
to cost taxpayers more monies?

4. Why the delay in scope of work for Water Main, we have lost 7 weeks of PRIME
weather to initiate the project and help minimize disruption to the business
community? Ask Sharon, David or Sandy or DG? Can't we do better than this?

Let's ask the editor of the Banner if these questions should be asked of the
PRESS to Town Officials?
8:52 pm est 

Harry Kemp Way Development

Check out the new housing development on Harry Kemp Way.  These are 4 new
million dollar "McMansions" built on top of a dune.  Looks more like something
out of New Jersey than Cape Cod.  Not sure who would want to live in such a
tacky place.  Hopefully they will landscape so we will not see them from the
street.  Another example of change not necessarily being for the better.
8:50 pm est 

Re: Banner

Re: "Pick on the Banner all you want! At least it is still better than
the advocate that we had in the eighties and back."


Seems we still have the same bitter, bile-filled editorializing of the Advocate
here on this blog now hidden under a cloak of anonymity.



12:02 pm est 

Banner, Cape Cod Times and Cape Codder

Please look at the banner,cape cod times or the cape codder.
Same stories and articles and pictures in  each. Just like
Watching the 24 hour Yule log on television at Christmas.
12:00 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Political Machinations

RE: Government of the Government, by the people, for the Government...
This has happened before...
Generally the PEOPLE don't like it.


Generally it happens when people become less and less involved.  Like kind of
when their only involvement is sitting at their computer complaining.  Hmmmm,
that sounds very familiar.

11:58 am est 

I Wish the Old Advocate Was Still Here

I always liked the Advocate. it truly reported on real news. it gave us a pulse
of the town. then I loved reading both papers and you really had a sense of what
was going on.

Now, there is nothing much being reported. Always safe. Always "purified." Thus,
not news at all.
8:36 am est 

Re: Bangs Street Paving-Repaved

Bangs Street Extension Has already Been Taken Over and Paved by the
Owner


That poor little dirt road that was part of communal property has long ago been
taken over and used by the owner. it actually disappeared and was incorported
into the owner's landscaping. It should never have been allowed but then, this
is Provincetown. Of course, she did what she intended to do and no one countered
her.

It was a public, communal road that became a private street. and did russell
Braun ever investigate or issue any violations? I don't think anything was ever
done then--or now.

Some people can usurp town roads and call them their own.
8:34 am est 

Friday, February 3, 2012

Re: Bangs Street Paving-Repaving

Paving over where they just laid sewer pipes is only temporary till
the spring. You can't leave the road a dirt road. Can you imagine the grips on
here if the town did that?
9:37 pm est 

Re: Banner

Pick on the Banner all you want! At least it is still better than the
advocate that we had in the eighties and back.
9:35 pm est 

Re: Selling Out

" . .I congratulate anyone who has done well here and finally wants to
cash in and move on to the next step in their life, but don't put down
the 'out of towner' when everyone does it. . ."


Well said.
9:33 pm est 

Re: re: Banner

Okay maybe it's 4 full time people at the banner. They have already shut down
the Nantucket paper. We'll see ....yes they have old trade agreements for
support of non profits- lets see how many they honor in the end. Google
gatehouse media for info on the companies health.
7:43 pm est 

Re: Bangs Street Paving-Repaving

Took a gander around and it does seem odd,  Isn't the winter the exact
wrong time to pave?  Any road.  One question.  Does this mean all houses on this
road will be connected to town sewer?  Even brand new ones that have private
septic systems?
7:41 pm est 

Re: "Selling Out"

"institution ruined by an out of towner selling out after they
are done being amused by ptown."


Ain't it really the truth that so called 'selling out' isn't limited to 'out of
towners' ?

Don't get me wrong, I congratulate anyone who has done well here and finally
wants to cash in and move on to the next step in their life, but don't put down
the 'out of towner' when everyone does it.
7:39 pm est 

Re: The Banner

A new paper would be a welcome change. Over the last several weeks several
people have written letters to the editor regarding the unfortunate developments
in the senseless case of the Kline house in Truro and the unfair treatment of
the Kline family in this matter. Anyone who has been following this story from
the start knows that the whole mess began because some entitled neighbors were
upset that the Kline house, a beautifully designed, tastefully executed
modernist structure, ruined what they considered to be their idyllic view of the
"historic" Hopper house. And anyone who has lived on the outer Cape for any
length of time knows that permit issues like the ones the Klines are being
persecuted for happen all the time and the town routinely looks the other way or
imposes a modest fine. I can't recall another local case where a resident was
told they would have to destroy their completed home because permits were issued
in error.

Well, this week the Banner saw fit to point out that one of the letters written
to criticize the town's actions is from a man who house sits for the Kline
family, essentially telling their readers that this particular man's opinion is
skewed and not valid. (The same could be said of much of the "news" printed in
each issue of the Banner!) Such implications have no place in a fair and
unbiased newspaper. Shame, shame.

Why not just provide the facts and let your readers make their own informed
decisions about local matters?
7:30 pm est 

Bangs Street Paving-Repaving

Just the facts maam, just the facts.  Bangs St. (North of Bradford) is
a public road up to #25 and no further.  Beyond that it is Bangs St. Extension,
a private road.  The new pavement by the town should end at #25.  If it doesn't
and continues beyond onto the private road, that will be interesting.
7:27 pm est 

Bangs Street Paving-Repaving

IF BANGS STREET IS BEING REPAVED IT CAN BE BECAUSE IT IS A TOWN ROAD.  IF BANGS
STREET EXTENSION IS BEING PAVED BY THE TOWN IT IS NOT LEGAL BECAUSE IT IS
PRIVATE AND MUST BE PAID FOR BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO RESIDE ON THAT PRIVATE
ROAD/WAY.  IN ORDER TO HAVE A PRIVAT WAY/ROAD BECOME PUBLIC IT MUST BE ACCEPTED
BY TOWN MEETING VOTE.

CHECK WITH THE ASSESSORS OFFICE - I THINK BANGS STREET IS PUBLIC UP TO 24 BANGS
STREET - THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE OF BANGS.
3:24 pm est 

Provincetown Political Machinations

Government of the people, by the people, for the people...

When did this change to:

Government of the Government, by the people, for the Government...

This has happened before...

Generally the PEOPLE don't like it.


3:21 pm est 

Re: The Banner

Fine example of another person spewing on here without any facts.  True some of
the production work has been moved off site in a cost cutting effort. But there
are still at least 8-10 people (all of them from the lower cape) still working
there. AND they are advertising for MORE help. Please get a grip on reality
before posting here. You only make yourself look small and damage the reputation
of one of the largest supporters of non-profit events in town, like carnival,
soup kithchen, HOW, Portugese Festival, Film Festival, ect........
3:19 pm est 

Re: Banner

"institution ruined by an out of towner selling out after they
are done being amused by ptown."

Ain't that the truth!
2:07 pm est 

The Banner

Anyone know anything about what is going on at the Banner? I heard the already
small staff has been cut down and only 3 people are left on staff. All of the
tasks are being sent off cape and soon some of the work will be shipped off
shore to India - not kidding. Time for a new paper in town? Another institution
ruined by an out of towner selling out after they are done being amused by
ptown....
10:43 am est 

Re; Bangs Street

The reason is that the people that built and own the new beautiful 4 houses on
Bangs St. wanted it that way. Seriously it is all part of the sewer and water
project. Get out from under your rock and read the paper or go to the at least
fourteen public informational meetings that have been held on this project. It
is strange how many of the bloggers on here can type but can't read or listen. 
In the long run everyone will win with this project, our properties will be
worth more, the environment will be better off the roads will be resurfaced
ect.. PLEASE be patient.
10:42 am est 

Re: Provincetown Streets-Bangs Street

Re: Maybe the reason nobody responded to the post about Bangs St.
being torn up is that PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT
BANGS ST.!!


People should NEVER be tired of hearing about Bangs Street or any other
development that compromises this town's Historical nature
10:40 am est 

Re: When Every Thing Else is Closed.....

It seems to me that for such a small town in the middle of the winter,
we have quite a lot of places open to eat and drink, see a movie ect.
10:37 am est 

Re: Pearl Street Affordable Housing/Bangs Street

The answer to the Pearl Street house question is that it is undergoing
maintenance before the new renters move in. The Question about Bangs Street
being repaved and who is paying for it is that sewer lines were put in and now
its being repaved, and as with all of the sewer work, its being paid with the
sewer funds.
10:32 am est 

Thursday, February 2, 2012

Pearl Street Affordable Housing

I don't ever remember seeing a response about why the house on Pearl Street is
sitting empty as stated in the banner last week.  Did I miss something on the
Blog.
10:40 pm est 

Posting Street Sgns-Stop Signs

I don't care if the stop signs are legal or not. The pointIs ,is that
they are not needed and dont like the fact thatOur police force is waiting in
the bushes for violators.

They don't bother me.  I've never been stopped by local police, if I see a stop
sign, I stop.  It's really pretty simple and harmless.
10:36 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Streets-Bangs Street

Maybe the reason nobody responded to the post about Bangs St. being
torn up is that PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT BANGS ST.!!
10:34 pm est 

Re: Provincetown Streets-Bangs Street

A simple question was asked about Bangs St. Ext. and why it is being
torn up and who is paying for this?  With all the opinionated blogs about
everything under the sun, no one has a response?  Why is this small out of the
way street being re-graded and WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS???  Great, the usual
restaurants serving sandwiches are open.  And they are appreciated.  But, again, 
WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS...AND WHY???????????  Nothing seen in town hall posts for
this????????
8:08 pm est 

Waste Water Background

This town was built with outhouses 2 and 3 seaters,chilly but
duable..then cesspools..if you maintained them well they lasted many
decades,then it was title 5's and you couldnt sell your house unless you put one
in and now the sewer system..i dont even think this town allowed title 5's in
use for a decade before they insisted on the sewers.i hope we are going in the
right direction
7:08 pm est 

Big City Thinking

I don't care if the stop signs are legal or not. The point
Is ,is that they are not needed and dont like the fact that
Our police force is waiting in the bushes for violators.
The whole police issue makes no sense for a tiny town such as
Ptown is.we have a very low crime rate , to many officers and
Numerous vehicles. This is big city thinking at the cost of townies,
Yes, the people who make this town there year round home.
6:32 pm est 

Saving for a Rainy Day

We better save what this town owns because once its gone there is
nothing to buy back, we cant reinvent land or buildings here...we have lost so
much as it is and dont forget the parking problem we have in the summer.what
ever happened to what our parents before would say and that is dont forget to
save for a rainy day...
10:20 am est 

Posting Street Sgns-Stop Signs

DID THE TOWN NOT AGREE WITH THE STATE TO TAKE OVER THE STATE HIGHWAY FROM THE
SAND DUNES INBOUND AND OUTBOUND LANES AND SNAIL ROAD.  THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT
DOES HIGHWAY CLEANUP INSTEAD OF STATE EMPLOYEES.  THE TOWN CAN PROBABLY PUT UP
STOP SIGNS IN THESE AREAS BECAUSE THE TOWN AGREED TO PLOW, TRIM TREES AND
MONITOR THESE AREAS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS THE AREA THEY WERE GOING TO
LAY THE SEWER LINE IN.
11:15 pm est 

Angel Food is Also Open Year Round

Liz is an energetic person and her store has so many wonderful things. Home made
chicke pot pie and sherpard's pie are great. Her salds are inventive and her
lasagna delicious. She is open every day and is alwasy there with a great smile
and great temperament. Breads are baked daily and deserts just perfect. so good
and I'm so glad she's there.
11:12 pm est 

Yes, East end Marketplace is Open and the Food is Quite Delicious

Gary does a great job. Free soup with sandwich. Try the Potato au gratin for a
real treat. his prepared meals, meatloaf, pork, and turky are just great. we're
lucky to have this store.
11:09 pm est 

The Growing Storm-Increased Taxes

Its a shamed that the town don't look at ever pennie we spend on a
dollar, plus what taxes also that goes up as well.

If i was a taxe payer witch I am, i would really wonder what this town is doing
about spending money like they do. WHY? Issues

My question is Grace Gouveia Building if it is sold where does the money go?,
What is it use for to pay for all the accts: that they have as far up the cape
that they have.
even then it still is not enough, why cause no one has any idea.

Now look at the VMES all that work thats being done in that school now,
(Question) what is that costing the TOWN at this point, Plus needs a New HEATING
SYSTEM.
The first thing that should been done FIX the roof, cause all that new carpet
that was put done will get wet and new offices as well.

No one wants to listen why, because they know so much.
they think they do,there feet will get wet.

But thats not all?, but if the people in this Town go to the town meeting and
vote for a NEW POLICE STATION, taxes are going up without a blink of a eye,
thats not it theres more. thers the HIGH SCHOOL that will closed in the year
2013, whats going to happen to that building? another question in mind to think
about 1 and half of year left before that closed. more then meets the eye, tax
payers better think very very Hard on this one. once you step in there no way
out.We want to save money not spend it on Taxes.

Plus they want to build a new HIGHWAY Garage? whats that going to COST. Ever one
please think before we touch it might get a little too hot.











11:07 pm est 

Wednesday, February 1, 2012

Provincetown Streets-Bangs Street

After driving through town today up Commercial and down the back
street, why not just switch to cobblestones?  At least then the streets could be
marketed as "quaint" and "charming" and "historic" rather than ridiculously
uneven pavement with ruts and gross mismatching of uneven pavement.  And what is
going on with Bangs St. Extension?  Looks like a dirt road now receiving grading
services and then what, new pavement? In the middle of winter?  Road
construction equipment and trucks galore blocking the street.  Didn't know you
could lay asphalt in winter.  How does this little street rate all this
attention?  Enlighten me please someone in the know cause of all the streets in
town I can't figure out what is happening on Bangs St. Ext. or why.
6:54 pm est 

When Every Thing Else is Closed....

". . .I always try to support those businesses open every day
year-round and I appreciate the reminders of who is open."

Don't forget Joe Coffee.  I had a great sandwich there today that came with a
free soup.  Open every day for breakfast and lunch.
5:47 pm est 

To the Illegal Stop Sign Poster

Bradford Street is NOT a state highway.  There is a sign prior to the tennis
courts that clearly states that the state highway ends.  Bradford Street is
owned and maintained by the town.

I think it's obvious that you don't really care about the stop signs.  Your only
agenda is to go out of your way to prove the incompetence of the Town Manager,
the Assistant Town Manager, the Chief of Police, the DPW Director, the Assistant
DPW Director, Town Counsel and the Board of Selectmen.  Of these eleven plus
people, I think it's fair to say that they know where they have the authority to
place stop signs.

And the School Crossing in Truro was approved by the state BECAUSE that is a
state highway.
5:39 pm est 

Open Year Round!

Joe is also open year round and has breakfast and
lunch options.  Great sandwiches, soups and salads daily!
5:36 pm est 

Re: Illegal Stop Signs (Redux)

Silly me, I should have known you can't italicize or bold text...

In my previous post, please read these as: <i>italic</i> and <b>bold</b>
1:29 pm est 

Illegal Stop Signs (Redux)

 >  My take on this is that a town has the right to erect
>  stop signs, with certain limitations, as long as the
>  roads involved are not state highways and do
>  not intersect with state highways.

-------

OK, I know this topic was summarily dismissed a month ago, but I'm only an
occasional reader, and I had to ask...

Did anyone notice that Bradford Street (a.k.a: MA Rt 6A) is a state
highway
?

The pertinent statute(s) are (with emphasis added):

M.G.L. ch. 89, s. 9:
"The local authorities of a city or town ... may in accordance with the
provisions of section two of chapter eighty-five of the General Laws,
including department approval when required, ...  designate intersections
or other roadway junctions at which vehicular traffic ... shall stop...."

M.G.L. ch. 85, s. 2:
"The department of highways ... shall erect and maintain on state highways
and on ways leading thereto and therefrom ... such direction signs,
warning signs or lights, curb, street or other traffic markings, mechanical
traffic signal systems, traffic devices, or parking meters as it may deem
necessary.... "

"No such signs, lights, signal systems, traffic devices, parking meters
or markings shall be erected or maintained on any state highway by any
authority other than the department except with its written approval
as to
location, shape, size and color thereof...."

"If any city or town installs and maintains any of the aforesaid traffic control
devices without either requesting or obtaining the required approval  ... the
department shall ithhold or withdraw the unexpended balance of any funds
assigned to the said city or town...."

-----

This sounds important, folks... the funds in jeopardy include any allocations
from the Transportation Fund, plus funds earmarked for highway maintenance, snow
removal, and small town supplemental maintenance.

Now, I don't know whether they've sought approval or not, but <i>these rules
also apply to Truro's "20 MPH School Zone" on Rt. 6!</
i>


[Disclaimer:  I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.]
10:02 am est 

Re: The East End Marketplace is Open Every day, Year Round. . .

Thanks for posting this, we sometimes forget our options this time of year.  As
previously mentioned year-round every day options include George's, Fanizzi's,
Napi's, Far Land, MEWS, and East End Marketplace.  I always try to support those
businesses open every day year-round and I appreciate the reminders of who is
open.
9:59 am est 

Re: Provincetown's Openness

I agree that there are a few people in this town that think they have
no say in the way things are run in town. But if I had to listen to them
constantly like the way they blog on here, I wouldn't listen to them either! 
And isn't it funny that it's always the same people who do all the complaining?
If there were real problems like they say, wouldn't more people complain? When
ever I have any problems with town government it always gets taken care of. And
I am not friends of anyone connected with the town.
9:57 am est 


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